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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
February 07 2012 19:08 GMT
#621
ico, you're the only one taking things, such as you parroting my analysis of adam41
what gives?
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 07 2012 19:08 GMT
#622
On February 08 2012 03:56 risk.nuke wrote:
##Vote Toadesstern
Behold Sir. Spam-alot from the kingdom of no-content. I got scumvibes from him earlier as I was reading the thread. Nothing in his filter tells me otherwise. I like him more then other lynch-candidates.
Meta: I've seen him under suspicion before and he acted calm and reserved, nothing like this.

I reserve the right to change my mind at any time.

Why are you lying? I'm getting emotional when accused to be mafia and I'm actually town ALL THE TIME. Like big time.
Please give me an example of me acting calm and reserved. Yes I don't care a lot until I think it's urgent because imo it's obvious I'm town when I'm town (= when I am town I think it should be obvious that I am town) and maybe that's what you're referring to.
Basicly here's what you do to figure me out: If there's a bunch of people, preferable people like Supersoft/wbg/rad, saying I am mafia than I have to be town. If there's not a single on in the thread saying I'm mafia I actually am mafia because I'm cautious with what I'm posting. Got that feeling right now?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
February 07 2012 19:10 GMT
#623
On February 08 2012 04:03 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 03:32 Jayjay54 wrote:
On February 08 2012 03:29 Bill Murray wrote:
On February 08 2012 03:27 Jayjay54 wrote:
also BM, what are you trying to achieve with the mason claim. all you do is generate pointless discussions. As long as you don't provide logs, which help us, there's like no benefit at all.

and you say yourself your mass claim was based on wrong facts.

I know a little BM right now, but this is getting dangerously nonsense-like

first off, how is this nonsensical? explain
second off, how is a private network of neighbors we can use to coordinate a negative thing? why should i out the chat logs? i see no point in it.

pointless discussion? have you read the 20 pages on 3rd party speculation?


1. as long as you give us any information, all you get from claiming mason is a discussion about how to deal with masons. Or am I wrong here? What is the benefit?

2. I assume that there might a scum in this network? Did that occur to you? In that case, by holding information back, scum gets more input than town. How does this help?

yeah I read the discussion and that is kind of my point (I made a case on Doc for that reason!). We just finished one discussion, why transition into another?




im not a mason
ive been neighborized
mason = you know alignment
neighbor = you dont know alignment
you all are killing me with calling it a mason....

1) the benefit is that scum have no will to out the simple fact of its existence
2) of course there could be scum in the network, like i said, it ISNT A MASON, it's a neighborizer
3) ... your case on doctorhelvetica is pretty bad


1) if it's so good for town to get the fact of a network out there, why are you the only one claiming? And why just now?
2) I know, that you know it, so why on earth is it pro town to keep information from town which scum already probably has. It creates a information deficit.
3) yea, Palmar said so already, but no one really can say why. He's spammy, has zero content, vote switches (even without posting in the thread) and enforces third party discussions. How the hell is that a bad case? Please enlighten me.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
February 07 2012 19:11 GMT
#624
On February 08 2012 03:51 Toadesstern wrote:
sheth you're pretty wishy washy this game imo. More than you're usually. Maybe that's because of the third party and you don't know what to talk about (hell, first game with 3rd parties for me as well) But don't worry, there's a bunch of people voting CC and since he's still my #1 I'm probably going to unvote you and vote him instead.

this sounds like toadesstern is consoling his scumbuddy he has a vote on

adam4147
toadesstern
sheth
cybercheese
kenpachi
jackal

^ list of scum
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 07 2012 19:13 GMT
#625
On February 08 2012 04:11 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 03:51 Toadesstern wrote:
sheth you're pretty wishy washy this game imo. More than you're usually. Maybe that's because of the third party and you don't know what to talk about (hell, first game with 3rd parties for me as well) But don't worry, there's a bunch of people voting CC and since he's still my #1 I'm probably going to unvote you and vote him instead.

this sounds like toadesstern is consoling his scumbuddy he has a vote on

adam4147
toadesstern
sheth
cybercheese
kenpachi
jackal

^ list of scum

oh gosh it's L all over again
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
February 07 2012 19:14 GMT
#626
also, as you are claiming a power role, aren't you afraid of our precious catwoman?

"With her honed skills she is able to eliminate one player a night regardless of protections".

That doesn't look smart to me.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
February 07 2012 19:14 GMT
#627
^^ addressed to BM
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 07 2012 19:15 GMT
#628
BM is insane.

That's the only logical explanation to this mess. For what it's worth he's probably not scum, or at least not a super obvious one.
Computer says mafia
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 07 2012 19:15 GMT
#629
On February 08 2012 04:14 Jayjay54 wrote:
also, as you are claiming a power role, aren't you afraid of our precious catwoman?

"With her honed skills she is able to eliminate one player a night regardless of protections".

That doesn't look smart to me.

he's what I thought VE was last game. Or he's stupid. Noone knows
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
February 07 2012 19:16 GMT
#630
On February 08 2012 04:10 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 04:03 Bill Murray wrote:
On February 08 2012 03:32 Jayjay54 wrote:
On February 08 2012 03:29 Bill Murray wrote:
On February 08 2012 03:27 Jayjay54 wrote:
also BM, what are you trying to achieve with the mason claim. all you do is generate pointless discussions. As long as you don't provide logs, which help us, there's like no benefit at all.

and you say yourself your mass claim was based on wrong facts.

I know a little BM right now, but this is getting dangerously nonsense-like

first off, how is this nonsensical? explain
second off, how is a private network of neighbors we can use to coordinate a negative thing? why should i out the chat logs? i see no point in it.

pointless discussion? have you read the 20 pages on 3rd party speculation?


1. as long as you give us any information, all you get from claiming mason is a discussion about how to deal with masons. Or am I wrong here? What is the benefit?

2. I assume that there might a scum in this network? Did that occur to you? In that case, by holding information back, scum gets more input than town. How does this help?

yeah I read the discussion and that is kind of my point (I made a case on Doc for that reason!). We just finished one discussion, why transition into another?




im not a mason
ive been neighborized
mason = you know alignment
neighbor = you dont know alignment
you all are killing me with calling it a mason....

1) the benefit is that scum have no will to out the simple fact of its existence
2) of course there could be scum in the network, like i said, it ISNT A MASON, it's a neighborizer
3) ... your case on doctorhelvetica is pretty bad


1) if it's so good for town to get the fact of a network out there, why are you the only one claiming? And why just now?
2) I know, that you know it, so why on earth is it pro town to keep information from town which scum already probably has. It creates a information deficit.
3) yea, Palmar said so already, but no one really can say why. He's spammy, has zero content, vote switches (even without posting in the thread) and enforces third party discussions. How the hell is that a bad case? Please enlighten me.

I havent read from, say, 22-26, so i wasnt sure noone had claimed it. i consider towncred in claiming it, so if someone else had, great.

one guy has gained town cred from the neighborizer, one guy has gotten my eye more than he has in the thread, and another is confirmed town. How is outting information to the thread creating an information deficit?

I do NOT want to handle everything there. I am letting the town know about its existence, so that they're not left derpily in the dark. Asylum vs that game flamewheel had with the ninjas, world of difference

doctorhelvetica has contributed more than nearly everyone within the thread, do you not see that? would scum not advocate talking about 3rd party, then do so, in a direct contradiction? he's also being really up front.

if you want to vote on a contradiction, why don't you vote for adam, who had reasoning, yet still chose to cast an RVS vote. That's a contradiction.

On February 08 2012 04:14 Jayjay54 wrote:
also, as you are claiming a power role, aren't you afraid of our precious catwoman?

"With her honed skills she is able to eliminate one player a night regardless of protections".

That doesn't look smart to me.

i've already stated there is no way i would be outting if i was one of their targets

my role can't afford to die n1, given flavor text. I really need to be kept alive, so I had to out, especially given that I was #1 on the neighborizer list, so if another town PR knew I was town given my case on Kenpachi, mafia already had a HUGE target on my back
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
February 07 2012 19:17 GMT
#631
On February 08 2012 04:15 Palmar wrote:
BM is insane.

That's the only logical explanation to this mess. For what it's worth he's probably not scum, or at least not a super obvious one.

palmar, dude, cut the personal insults
im about to replace out because of these
im not joking
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
February 07 2012 19:17 GMT
#632
@BM

You may have buddied the shit out of me in TL50, but it was the buddying that alerted me to your bullshit early on in the piece. If it weren't for your bodyguards, I was vig'ing you out of that game N1.

You make it out like me voting for jaybrundage is so scummy because "ZOMG he hasn't posted yet!". This might actually mean something if I hadn't declared I was voting for someone who hadn't posted yet when I placed the vote.

I am not going to cast a serious vote with my first post of the game. I wanted reactions from the people I questioned and then I would vote based on the additional information (ie their responses).

You're claiming meta of me after one game which I half-played and three posts in this game? Come on.

Your 'case' involves repeating the same 2 things over and over, and is crap as a result.



I like how Ico sheeps your (bad) case BM, then says you're on drugs in the same post. Stinks of scum.

##Vote: Ico
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
February 07 2012 19:18 GMT
#633
On February 08 2012 04:15 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 04:14 Jayjay54 wrote:
also, as you are claiming a power role, aren't you afraid of our precious catwoman?

"With her honed skills she is able to eliminate one player a night regardless of protections".

That doesn't look smart to me.

he's what I thought VE was last game. Or he's stupid. Noone knows


difference is that there is a third party in the game with the sole purpose to kill blue power roles regardless of protection. VE's move was stupid. BM's move is just plain out dumb.

and I still want to hear from him and palmar why my case on Doc is bad. Seriously.
I love discussions about scum candidates, they are always town favoured (unlike third party discussions). => Just saying "you are stupid" is not pro town.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 07 2012 19:20 GMT
#634
okay, I'll rephrase.

You're not insane.

However, what you're doing doesn't make any sense at all, it's completely useless and bad. It's one of the more stupid things I've seen in a mafia game. This is nothing personal, I have the right to criticize your actions because they affect the game. I'm not saying you're dumb, just that everything you're doing is dumb.
Computer says mafia
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
February 07 2012 19:23 GMT
#635
On February 08 2012 04:17 Adam4167 wrote:
@BM

You may have buddied the shit out of me in TL50, but it was the buddying that alerted me to your bullshit early on in the piece. If it weren't for your bodyguards, I was vig'ing you out of that game N1.

You make it out like me voting for jaybrundage is so scummy because "ZOMG he hasn't posted yet!". This might actually mean something if I hadn't declared I was voting for someone who hadn't posted yet when I placed the vote.

I am not going to cast a serious vote with my first post of the game. I wanted reactions from the people I questioned and then I would vote based on the additional information (ie their responses).

You're claiming meta of me after one game which I half-played and three posts in this game? Come on.

Your 'case' involves repeating the same 2 things over and over, and is crap as a result.



I like how Ico sheeps your (bad) case BM, then says you're on drugs in the same post. Stinks of scum.

##Vote: Ico

ok, so you'd rather waste your vote on someone potentially modkilled, for instance if you end up not being able to log back on due to relationship issues (im assuming you have a relationship), and cant make more than one post, versus having it on someone you have decent, if not solid, reasoning on? I'm not buying it.

I also am not buying the fact that you didn't time this post perfectly
It is a delayed OMGUS on ico
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 07 2012 19:23 GMT
#636
On February 08 2012 04:18 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 04:15 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 08 2012 04:14 Jayjay54 wrote:
also, as you are claiming a power role, aren't you afraid of our precious catwoman?

"With her honed skills she is able to eliminate one player a night regardless of protections".

That doesn't look smart to me.

he's what I thought VE was last game. Or he's stupid. Noone knows


difference is that there is a third party in the game with the sole purpose to kill blue power roles regardless of protection. VE's move was stupid. BM's move is just plain out dumb.

and I still want to hear from him and palmar why my case on Doc is bad. Seriously.
I love discussions about scum candidates, they are always town favoured (unlike third party discussions). => Just saying "you are stupid" is not pro town.


Yeah, when I said "he's what I thought VE was in L or stupid" I was not saying either ... or. Could be both at the same time :p
I could see him think it's a good move as what I think he is. And it's not about what VE actually was in L but about what I thought he's doing.

About the doc case. I think it's wrong as well. So far he's giving me some vibes that make me think of p4n. He's pushing activly, not good imo but he is. I doubt he would do what he's doing as a mafia. Yeah the talk about third party isn't nice but I don't care so much about it early on to say we should lynch him. I'm leaning town on doc because of his attitude as well.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
February 07 2012 19:25 GMT
#637
On February 08 2012 04:23 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 04:17 Adam4167 wrote:
@BM

You may have buddied the shit out of me in TL50, but it was the buddying that alerted me to your bullshit early on in the piece. If it weren't for your bodyguards, I was vig'ing you out of that game N1.

You make it out like me voting for jaybrundage is so scummy because "ZOMG he hasn't posted yet!". This might actually mean something if I hadn't declared I was voting for someone who hadn't posted yet when I placed the vote.

I am not going to cast a serious vote with my first post of the game. I wanted reactions from the people I questioned and then I would vote based on the additional information (ie their responses).

You're claiming meta of me after one game which I half-played and three posts in this game? Come on.

Your 'case' involves repeating the same 2 things over and over, and is crap as a result.



I like how Ico sheeps your (bad) case BM, then says you're on drugs in the same post. Stinks of scum.

##Vote: Ico

ok, so you'd rather waste your vote on someone potentially modkilled, for instance if you end up not being able to log back on due to relationship issues (im assuming you have a relationship), and cant make more than one post, versus having it on someone you have decent, if not solid, reasoning on? I'm not buying it.

I also am not buying the fact that you didn't time this post perfectly
It is a delayed OMGUS on ico

Isn't it a bit weak to attack timing from a person who hasn't been all that active?
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
February 07 2012 19:26 GMT
#638
On February 08 2012 04:16 Bill Murray wrote:
I havent read from, say, 22-26, so i wasnt sure noone had claimed it. i consider towncred in claiming it, so if someone else had, great.

one guy has gained town cred from the neighborizer, one guy has gotten my eye more than he has in the thread, and another is confirmed town. How is outting information to the thread creating an information deficit? 1

I do NOT want to handle everything there. I am letting the town know about its existence, so that they're not left derpily in the dark. Asylum vs that game flamewheel had with the ninjas, world of difference

doctorhelvetica has contributed more than nearly everyone within the thread, do you not see that? would scum not advocate talking about 3rd party, then do so, in a direct contradiction? he's also being really up front.2

if you want to vote on a contradiction, why don't you vote for adam, who had reasoning, yet still chose to cast an RVS vote. That's a contradiction.3

Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 04:14 Jayjay54 wrote:
also, as you are claiming a power role, aren't you afraid of our precious catwoman?

"With her honed skills she is able to eliminate one player a night regardless of protections".

That doesn't look smart to me.

i've already stated there is no way i would be outting if i was one of their targets 4

my role can't afford to die n1, given flavor text. I really need to be kept alive, so I had to out, especially given that I was #1 on the neighborizer list, so if another town PR knew I was town given my case on Kenpachi, mafia already had a HUGE target on my back 5


1 It's a freaking deficit, because you just say "Hey I know this guy who is town, but I can't tell you why". You are giving us nothing except from "there are neighbors". I don't get why anybody in this network would withdraw information scum most likely already has...

2 Uhm, no. 90% about his posts are about third party. Please point out 3 posts out of his 3 pages which are contributing. Being upfront isn't a towntell, especially not for a VET.

3 I am not voting on contradiction, I am voting on overall contribution and play. To say Doc has contributed more "than nearly everyone" is just wrong.

4 So you are saying powerrole, but not suitable for catwoman. Alright. See if catwoman agrees.

5 The chances of you being alive tomorrow have not increased, but lowered. I don't know how you can claim otherwise.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 07 2012 19:27 GMT
#639
Oh and BM sry for calling it stupid as well. I'm getting carried away with all those insults. So if you really got it as an insult I'm sorry about that and will stop it.
I just don't know if I'm believing a word you say so rephrase "stupid" with "weird" or "bullshit" (bullshit in like you're making it up).

Will try to keep the insults on wbg only from now on.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
February 07 2012 19:28 GMT
#640
On February 08 2012 04:18 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 04:15 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 08 2012 04:14 Jayjay54 wrote:
also, as you are claiming a power role, aren't you afraid of our precious catwoman?

"With her honed skills she is able to eliminate one player a night regardless of protections".

That doesn't look smart to me.

he's what I thought VE was last game. Or he's stupid. Noone knows


difference is that there is a third party in the game with the sole purpose to kill blue power roles regardless of protection. VE's move was stupid. BM's move is just plain out dumb.

and I still want to hear from him and palmar why my case on Doc is bad. Seriously.
I love discussions about scum candidates, they are always town favoured (unlike third party discussions). => Just saying "you are stupid" is not pro town.

notice how he says "my move is dumb" as opposed to "bm is dumb"
that's the difference, palmar. It's called being a man, and not using ad hominem.

Furthermore, this post isn't even guilty of IIoA, information instead of analysis. It would be, if you ONLY take the bolded, but he has stated that he's worried catwoman or batman needs to kill me (they don't)


On February 08 2012 04:20 Palmar wrote:
okay, I'll rephrase.

You're not insane.

However, what you're doing doesn't make any sense at all, it's completely useless and bad. It's one of the more stupid things I've seen in a mafia game. This is nothing personal, I have the right to criticize your actions because they affect the game. I'm not saying you're dumb, just that everything you're doing is dumb.

If we have 16 blues claiming
that's over half the player list
if we get double nameclaims (is it possible to nameclaim?! noone will answer me) then it's a one vs one scenario town vs scum to be lynched... it's not going to happen, or it would literally be autowin if they all did that

after all the blues out, we have 15 people left, with over half being scum or 3rd party

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