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On February 08 2012 03:29 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 03:27 Jayjay54 wrote:
also BM, what are you trying to achieve with the mason claim. all you do is generate pointless discussions. As long as you don't provide logs, which help us, there's like no benefit at all.
and you say yourself your mass claim was based on wrong facts.
I know a little BM right now, but this is getting dangerously nonsense-like first off, how is this nonsensical? explain second off, how is a private network of neighbors we can use to coordinate a negative thing? why should i out the chat logs? i see no point in it. pointless discussion? have you read the 20 pages on 3rd party speculation?
1. as long as you give us any information, all you get from claiming mason is a discussion about how to deal with masons. Or am I wrong here? What is the benefit?
2. I assume that there might a scum in this network? Did that occur to you? In that case, by holding information back, scum gets more input than town. How does this help?
yeah I read the discussion and that is kind of my point (I made a case on Doc for that reason!). We just finished one discussion, why transition into another?
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noone asking about the confirmed townie I know? 
So everyone already knew I was referring to a guy called Toadesstern? I think I know who's the confirmed townie BM knows!
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On February 08 2012 03:30 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 03:29 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 08 2012 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:On February 08 2012 03:21 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 08 2012 03:15 Bill Murray wrote:On February 08 2012 03:12 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 08 2012 03:09 Bill Murray wrote:On February 08 2012 02:57 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 08 2012 02:53 Bill Murray wrote:
has anyone talked about the gay phone network, yet? wtf is this shit? there is a gigantic mason network im a part of that is why i'm claiming a power rolei know a confirmed town, as well wait what? so you are masoning? with who? and why does this paint you town? No, i was masoned. It doesn't paint me town whatsoever - but I ask you - why would i do this as scum? I am going to ask BC to what extent I can claim in thread, because I know a confirmed town via the network, and someone speculating about roles in relation to who would have sent said network's alignment in relation to the video game with which this came from. Considering this isn't a bastard game, the flavor of the NEIGHBOR network (it's not a mason network - we don't know everyone is town) points towards the person having sent it being town. If he's town, and I'm outting in the thread saying I have a confirmed town, how is this anti-town? woah slow down. a) how many people are in that network? who is? and how long has this been going on. b) if you are masoned and claim this still doesn't make you town whatsoever. Your mason buddy might be scum (even though you say it's unlikely). Even if he is town and masons you, you still could claim to get easy towncreds. Sorry, I don't get your allignment from claiming being masoned. a. quit fishing b. no, unless bc is a bastard mod, the one person who initiated the neighbor network is town via flavor like i said, we can't afford for my role to die n1 due to flavor, and im not a veteran, so i need a medic on me a. yeah, please don't help town by providing information. b. what? I seriously tried to understand that, but I failed. a. i have outted my role, as a mouth of the network, so i can be protected - how is that not 100% info i know? b. the role with which the neighbor came from is confirmed town
a. you could be a scum mouth? Or is that not possible?
b. Hmm. Ok. I don't get it completely, how can someone be confirmed in a role if he masons...And if there's an initiator who is confirmed town why doesn't he speak up and be the mouth?
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On February 08 2012 03:33 Toadesstern wrote:noone asking about the confirmed townie I know? So everyone already knew I was referring to a guy called Toadesstern? I think I know who's the confirmed townie BM knows!
I think you are "special"
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On February 08 2012 03:30 Tobberoth wrote:
Sorry for pulling a n00b card again, but what is this mason discussion?
From what I gathered on google, mason is a flavor thing which allows some players to have secret meetings during night... how can this happen in this game when PMs aren't allowed and there's no role with that power? Or has the power roles gotten information not available in the OP?
Masons are townies taht know each other and that can communicate wich each other outside of the thread ( PMs, QT, IRC).
Yes the OP did not include masons, but as i understood it, it is a semi-open setup meaning the OP did not include all information.
Until the other masons claim, we have no reason to beleive him tho. And once the other claim, we can lynch BM to confirm the other mason.
I think BM claims is bullshit. I dont see any reason for claiming so early when Catwoman is hunting for power role. Why are you claiming BM ?
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On February 07 2012 21:43 Palmar wrote:Warning: this is written as I read, so expect it to be a bit confusing. --------------- Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 15:39 Liquid`Sheth wrote:On February 06 2012 15:35 Bill Murray wrote:
I disagree with you. Sheth was questioning the validity of claiming there. It truly is weak play. It's like leaving a zealot on the wrong side of the map, out of the equation, when you're going into battle.
However, there is another side to WIFOM, but are both glasses poisoned? So, Bill -- Zealots on the wrong side of the map are good. They are like little scouting strong pillars of Zerg death. Zealots are never on the wrong side of the map. Does this mean you are calling yourself a zealot? And would you be up for poisoning yourself? Considering if you don't drink from either of the glasses you would probably die of thirst. In the case that either way you die, would you drink both glasses to have a quicker death? Or would you only drink one and not overdose on the poison in hopes you may be saved? I think these bring up valid questions. And I hope you will feel my play isn't weak after this. This exchange is 100% bullshit. I remember sheth bullshitting quite hard when he was mafia last time, being a lot more reserved whenever I've played with him as town. Maybe we should lynch him. Regarding the rgthewhatever, I don't think he's mafia. His initial post is way too straightforward, to the point and assertive for him to be scum in my opinion. i think any train on him would be a terrible idea. He's bringing in the idea of a random voting stage, where you pick up something tiny, and run with it to start discussion. It's a terrible idea and it's dumb. But it's very unlikely it makes him scum automatically like some of you are trying to imply. I'll show you an example of a weak opening post: Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 18:17 Toadesstern wrote:here I am. Should have waited 5 minutes longer yesterday and I could have instavoted wbg to begin this game At least I got that little smiley to annoy him. On a more serious note: I don't like people talking about claims d1. That's kenpachi (nothing new there, noone likes Kenpachi...) and Cyber_Cheese right now I think. Actually especially Cyber_Cheese. Why do you think we need to talk about blues so early on, make them / one claim early on to get another "blue" (batman) buffed although we don't know what he's up to yet. Are you trying to get some information and read into what people are saying about that topic to figure out if they're blue or not while talking about that topic? Because that's what I thought right now. This says nothing about Toadesstern's alignment. It doesn't make him scum, but i think rgTS's posts at least look like he came into the thread trying to achieve something. This doesn't. Tunkeg's probably town. DrH has only posted useless stuff so far, no idea what he is. Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 19:30 ico wrote:
irst, Kenpachi claiming town on day 1 is bad play, no matter his actual role.
If he indeed does this every game, he deserves to be policy lynched until he stops doing so.
Best post in the thread. Bill Murray is being wrong/useless a lot. No idea what to make of it. Adam's reasoning for voting jaybrundage is rock solid and I like it. Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 21:45 Adam4167 wrote:
Jaybrundage, I know you haven't even posted yet, but we've never been the same team. Don't see why this game would be any different. Have my vote!
##Vote: jaybrundage Kurumi is hilarious as usual, keeping him around is good for entertainment value. OpZ is playing? I hadn't noticed. Maybe we should just hang him. In addition, a wild Kita appeared, he looks less scummy though. Also, VisceraEyes is seriously weak a this point. layabout could be town. Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 06:36 VisceraEyes wrote:First of all ##Unvote: kitaman27Now for the good stuff. VisceraEyes Lynch List of Accuracylayabout - For criticizing others play as being non-contributory, yet contributes nothing of substance himself. Any idea who he thinks is scum? Me either. Katina - Again, criticizing others for not contributing, but not contributing. Masquerading doesn't count guys - you actually have to do something. kitaman27 - Kita appears to be doing something akin to scumhunting, and because he's a veteran, I'm willing to wait on his lynch - however, I think he's scum because he appealed to Forumite's suspicion of me to try and get a bandwagon started, but never even really voted for me…just stinks and I don't like it. But again, Kita is my weakest read at this point and I wouldn't be butthurt if we didn't lynch him today. Also, Palmar is mistaken - lynching me is totally NOT always a net-gain for town. He's saying this because he's a prick. So, there you have it. ##Vote: layabout Disagree on all accounts. All the reads are null or town to me in this post, and also, I am correct. Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 10:43 Radfield wrote:
Palmar: Toad, VE, Kitaman, what are your thoughts on them.
Why the fuck do you want to talk to me? I'm trolling at this point. I'm just gonna hit post and then collect what's important at this point.
Ok, he starts off suggesting I'm posting fluff to start the game. And that sense in the first game I ever played I was posting fluff as well I might be mafia this time too. The first game I posted fluff because I didn't know any of it and wanted to learn while playing. I was responding there to BM telling me that poking Kenpachi for Vanilla claiming and calling me weak for it. I didn't really think that deserved a completely fully logical post. Turns out he wasn't even talking to me. Palmar using Meta on me, oh the irony.
He then posts this :
On February 07 2012 21:54 Palmar wrote:
We should totally be discussing lynching Hiro, VE or Sheth. At the moment, I'm leaning towards lynching sheth. I see no reason to believe he's town this game. He's posting speculations and questions, mostly just useless fluff, and there is nothing to it that gives me any feeling he could be town.
It's too careful, and too forced.
##Vote Sheth
So your saying here that what I'm saying is "Speculations and Questions, Fluff, nothing that gives you any feeling I could be town, and I'm too careful and too forced." You give no examples. You don't point out any individual post. Questions are good, and could you point out a post where I'm "too careful and too forced" please! Or just point out any post where I'm like your statement. You're case against me is a complete fluff safe post in itself.
For those of you who jumped onto this really quickly Forumite / Toad / Viscera would you please post reasons other then yea lets get that Sheth guy!
@Forumite You have a feeling about me. Great! And you say that all I'm talking about is policy. Link to some of this man. The main things I've pointed out this game are : Kenpachi shouldn't vanilla claim, Batman should go looking for Hugo Strange first and then it might be smart to give up Joker once that happens. These are things that I was the first to bring up. I realize if Batman is DT'ing first every time, then there would be no reason to give up Joker, but if hes not then rather then have batman continually killing town I think its ok to give up Joker. Why not give some reasons for what this feeling is?
@Toadesstern why am I a "Nice list" and why do you agree with lynching me?
@Ve you're voting for me because I haven't posted my list on who I want to kill yet? I'm still working on that. Now can you give other reasons for why you'd like to kill me?
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@kitaman27 to be honest, I had to take a step back from the thread and figure out whether or not all the spam/trolling was normal for a game here.
Let's discuss current votes:
rgTheSchworz: I do not think he is scum. His case against kenpachi is weak, which is weird considering how easy a vote for kp is to justify. Because of that, I give him the benefit of the doubt and consider him a townie who is in over his head.
Cyber_Cheese actually makes a decent vote, I'll repeat myself and say how scummy I find him being very active during a time he excused himself for prior. He is also fishing for the Joker. And he enabled DoctorSpamalot going on and on about batman, littering the thread. After his vote on RG gains some following he vanishes.
Adam4167: Already talked about him, by the time he posts there are options for real/pressure votes available, yet he elects to go with a "random" vote on someone who had not posted by that time.
He is in turn directly defended by DoctorSpamalot, which is weird. I really don't like how many pointless posts I had to read because of him. But dislike does not make a good case, so I can not vote for DoctorHelveticus at this time. Should he keep spamming I'll have to reconsider. I missed my opportunity to go after him 15 pages ago, which sucks.
Sheth: I really can't read his behaviour so far. It is scummy, but he isn't the only one posting pointless rabble. For now he got the benefit of the doubt.
So for now:
##Vote Cyber_Cheese
@BM: what are taking?
@Kitaman27: Why did you just write your vote down here and not in the actual vote thread?
Alright, back to catching up with the thread.
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On February 08 2012 03:45 Tyrran wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 03:30 Tobberoth wrote:
Sorry for pulling a n00b card again, but what is this mason discussion?
From what I gathered on google, mason is a flavor thing which allows some players to have secret meetings during night... how can this happen in this game when PMs aren't allowed and there's no role with that power? Or has the power roles gotten information not available in the OP? Masons are townies taht know each other and that can communicate wich each other outside of the thread ( PMs, QT, IRC). Yes the OP did not include masons, but as i understood it, it is a semi-open setup meaning the OP did not include all information. Until the other masons claim, we have no reason to beleive him tho. And once the other claim, we can lynch BM to confirm the other mason. I think BM claims is bullshit. I dont see any reason for claiming so early when Catwoman is hunting for power role. Why are you claiming BM ?
I think he just claims for the sake of it. Whether they make sense is a different story. Though in some sad way they probably make perfect sense to him and only him it would seem.
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EBWOP:
@BM: what are you taking?
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sheth you're pretty wishy washy this game imo. More than you're usually. Maybe that's because of the third party and you don't know what to talk about (hell, first game with 3rd parties for me as well) But don't worry, there's a bunch of people voting CC and since he's still my #1 I'm probably going to unvote you and vote him instead.
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On February 08 2012 03:47 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 03:45 Tyrran wrote:On February 08 2012 03:30 Tobberoth wrote:
Sorry for pulling a n00b card again, but what is this mason discussion?
From what I gathered on google, mason is a flavor thing which allows some players to have secret meetings during night... how can this happen in this game when PMs aren't allowed and there's no role with that power? Or has the power roles gotten information not available in the OP? Masons are townies taht know each other and that can communicate wich each other outside of the thread ( PMs, QT, IRC). Yes the OP did not include masons, but as i understood it, it is a semi-open setup meaning the OP did not include all information. Until the other masons claim, we have no reason to beleive him tho. And once the other claim, we can lynch BM to confirm the other mason. I think BM claims is bullshit. I dont see any reason for claiming so early when Catwoman is hunting for power role. Why are you claiming BM ? I think he just claims for the sake of it. Whether they make sense is a different story. Though in some sad way they probably make perfect sense to him and only him it would seem.
Who are you?
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On February 08 2012 03:47 ico wrote:
EBWOP:
@BM: what are you taking?
You get a gold star.
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I don't usually do post by post analysis sheth.
Tell me, who are your strongest 3 scumreads and strongest 3 townreads. In addition, tell me why each of those earn a spot on your lists. It doesn't have to be long, just explain the thought process behind it.
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##Vote Toadesstern
Behold Sir. Spam-alot from the kingdom of no-content. I got scumvibes from him earlier as I was reading the thread. Nothing in his filter tells me otherwise. I like him more then other lynch-candidates.
Meta: I've seen him under suspicion before and he acted calm and reserved, nothing like this.
I reserve the right to change my mind at any time.
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On February 08 2012 03:30 Tobberoth wrote:
Sorry for pulling a n00b card again, but what is this mason discussion?
From what I gathered on google, mason is a flavor thing which allows some players to have secret meetings during night... how can this happen in this game when PMs aren't allowed and there's no role with that power? Or has the power roles gotten information not available in the OP?
you mean neighbor
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On February 08 2012 03:32 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 03:29 Bill Murray wrote:On February 08 2012 03:27 Jayjay54 wrote:
also BM, what are you trying to achieve with the mason claim. all you do is generate pointless discussions. As long as you don't provide logs, which help us, there's like no benefit at all.
and you say yourself your mass claim was based on wrong facts.
I know a little BM right now, but this is getting dangerously nonsense-like first off, how is this nonsensical? explain second off, how is a private network of neighbors we can use to coordinate a negative thing? why should i out the chat logs? i see no point in it. pointless discussion? have you read the 20 pages on 3rd party speculation? 1. as long as you give us any information, all you get from claiming mason is a discussion about how to deal with masons. Or am I wrong here? What is the benefit? 2. I assume that there might a scum in this network? Did that occur to you? In that case, by holding information back, scum gets more input than town. How does this help? yeah I read the discussion and that is kind of my point (I made a case on Doc for that reason!). We just finished one discussion, why transition into another?
im not a mason
ive been neighborized
mason = you know alignment
neighbor = you dont know alignment
you all are killing me with calling it a mason....
1) the benefit is that scum have no will to out the simple fact of its existence
2) of course there could be scum in the network, like i said, it ISNT A MASON, it's a neighborizer
3) ... your case on doctorhelvetica is pretty bad
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On February 08 2012 03:55 Palmar wrote:
I don't usually do post by post analysis sheth.
Tell me, who are your strongest 3 scumreads and strongest 3 townreads. In addition, tell me why each of those earn a spot on your lists. It doesn't have to be long, just explain the thought process behind it.
Nps. I usually like to make a huge write up, but I start coaching in 4 minutes and I'll be busy all day. I just don't have time to do that, which was why I didn't answer that question earlier.
3 Strongest Scum reads
Viscera Eyes - He was extremely defensive against any pressure. This may be his "style", but I don't know about it. It just seemed like a super over reaction. All of his posts strike me as OMGUS. Thats honestly all I have written about him.
Here is where I start having some problems. I don't have 2 other great scum reads. These are more like, I'd like to closely watch. And that I don't trust them at all.
Bill Murray - Hes been really nice to me. Like trying to almost take pressure off. His mass claim idea was horrible. I prefer Kat's trying to lynch me then people trying to defend me. Ok, I'm out of time lol.
Palmar - I'm actually really worried about you already. You come out of the block with rhymes + poems and then go straight for me + 2 others. Then you just change it to me on basically Meta. I'll be interested to see what you do with what I give you here.
3 Strongest Town reads --
Toad -- He thought similar to me early on. Despite him going back and forth I think its a townie going back and forth. I wanted to do an analysis against him, but then I checked and it just seems like a townie to me.
RGTheSchworz -- I've played with him and went after him one game. His response in that game that he was mafia is completely different then this response. This is completely gut. If he changes how hes playing now this might change. But I like his defense atm.
If I had to give a third, I really don't have one. So I'll say myself :D
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As I was thinking more I'm worried about Cyber too, just haven't had a time to filter him, so it might just be because of what others have said.
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assuming i am not batman or catwoman, am i allowed to out my name/role?
On February 08 2012 03:36 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 03:30 Bill Murray wrote:On February 08 2012 03:29 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 08 2012 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:On February 08 2012 03:21 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 08 2012 03:15 Bill Murray wrote:On February 08 2012 03:12 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 08 2012 03:09 Bill Murray wrote:On February 08 2012 02:57 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 08 2012 02:53 Bill Murray wrote:
has anyone talked about the gay phone network, yet? wtf is this shit? there is a gigantic mason network im a part of that is why i'm claiming a power rolei know a confirmed town, as well wait what? so you are masoning? with who? and why does this paint you town? No, i was masoned. It doesn't paint me town whatsoever - but I ask you - why would i do this as scum? I am going to ask BC to what extent I can claim in thread, because I know a confirmed town via the network, and someone speculating about roles in relation to who would have sent said network's alignment in relation to the video game with which this came from. Considering this isn't a bastard game, the flavor of the NEIGHBOR network (it's not a mason network - we don't know everyone is town) points towards the person having sent it being town. If he's town, and I'm outting in the thread saying I have a confirmed town, how is this anti-town? woah slow down. a) how many people are in that network? who is? and how long has this been going on. b) if you are masoned and claim this still doesn't make you town whatsoever. Your mason buddy might be scum (even though you say it's unlikely). Even if he is town and masons you, you still could claim to get easy towncreds. Sorry, I don't get your allignment from claiming being masoned. a. quit fishing b. no, unless bc is a bastard mod, the one person who initiated the neighbor network is town via flavor like i said, we can't afford for my role to die n1 due to flavor, and im not a veteran, so i need a medic on me a. yeah, please don't help town by providing information. b. what? I seriously tried to understand that, but I failed. a. i have outted my role, as a mouth of the network, so i can be protected - how is that not 100% info i know? b. the role with which the neighbor came from is confirmed town a. you could be a scum mouth? Or is that not possible? b. Hmm. Ok. I don't get it completely, how can someone be confirmed in a role if he masons...And if there's an initiator who is confirmed town why doesn't he speak up and be the mouth?
1) i know my role, ive outted i am a power role. What are you getting at?
2) he has spoken up in the thread, and i am speaking up because i am protecting him, and needing protection myself
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On February 08 2012 03:45 Tyrran wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 03:30 Tobberoth wrote:
Sorry for pulling a n00b card again, but what is this mason discussion?
From what I gathered on google, mason is a flavor thing which allows some players to have secret meetings during night... how can this happen in this game when PMs aren't allowed and there's no role with that power? Or has the power roles gotten information not available in the OP? Masons are townies taht know each other and that can communicate wich each other outside of the thread ( PMs, QT, IRC). Yes the OP did not include masons, but as i understood it, it is a semi-open setup meaning the OP did not include all information. Until the other masons claim, we have no reason to beleive him tho. And once the other claim, we can lynch BM to confirm the other mason. I think BM claims is bullshit. I dont see any reason for claiming so early when Catwoman is hunting for power role. Why are you claiming BM ?
its NOT a mason
it's a neighborizer
im not a role catwoman or batman want to kill or why would i out in the thread?
smh
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