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zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 24 2012 04:54 GMT
#37
/in.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 24 2012 17:13 GMT
#51
On January 24 2012 13:54 zelblade wrote:
/in.


Eh dreamflower i think u missed out my signup.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 24 2012 20:17 GMT
#61
When will the game start?
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 24 2012 20:29 GMT
#63
On January 25 2012 05:20 dreamflower wrote:
Sorry for missing you, zelblade! The game will now have 13 players, with 9 town-aligned players and 4 Mafia.

The game will start tonight at 03:00 GMT (+00:00). Role PMs will be sent out then.

Thank you all for your patience and enthusiasm!


No problem lol.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 25 2012 05:19 GMT
#88
I disagree with zarepath's plan to "randomly" lynch me. Of course i am being a litte biased here, but how does randomly lynching me provide any sort of information? How does me/others defending myself = mafia? Any player, regardless of aglinment, is going to defend themselves either way, as getting lynched in either case is bad for their team, and chances to win.

Thus, i believe that lynching me or anyone else "randomly" is a horrible idea.

As for what to do with our day 1 lynch, i suggest that we lynch a lurker unless a better canditate comes up. Remember that we still have alot of time left before the deadline, so we should utilize this time well to discuss and find a better lynch candidate than lynching by reverse-alphabetical order.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 25 2012 06:21 GMT
#93
Regarding the setup, 4 scum to 9 town seems like a lot of scum to me. This would lead me to believe that scum KP is probably 1, as anything else will probably be excessive. As such, we probably have only 2 mislynches before LYLO, unless there is a medic prot of some sort of course. Thus we need to make sure that we use these lynches well, and use logical reasoning to pin down the lynch onto the scum.

To town, we need to post more, as more posts = more contributions, and would allow us to make analysis and thus help to pin down who the scum are.

zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 25 2012 06:48 GMT
#98
On January 25 2012 15:40 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 15:21 zelblade wrote:
Regarding the setup, 4 scum to 9 town seems like a lot of scum to me. This would lead me to believe that scum KP is probably 1, as anything else will probably be excessive. As such, we probably have only 2 mislynches before LYLO, unless there is a medic prot of some sort of course. Thus we need to make sure that we use these lynches well, and use logical reasoning to pin down the lynch onto the scum.

To town, we need to post more, as more posts = more contributions, and would allow us to make analysis and thus help to pin down who the scum are.



Ok this post is really weird.

1) OP clearly states Mafia KP.

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On January 24 2012 08:35 dreamflower wrote:
Mafia Goon
Your goal is to eliminate everyone else in the town. Your ability, as a group, is killing off whomever you decide on at night and knowing the role of each other player in your mafia. You may kill your own members. Mafia killing power is always 1 until there are no mafia remaining.


Of course this is a newbie game so y'know, people make mistakes.

2) This post doesn't actually give us anything new or that helpful. We can do the math and figure how many mislynches we have till Lylo, which isn't information you typically use day 1. I mean, unless you push for no lynch, how's that info help?


3) This is the part that got me from giving benefit of the doubt to feeling weird:

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On January 25 2012 15:21 zelblade wrote:
To town, we need to post more, as more posts = more contributions, and would allow us to make analysis and thus help to pin down who the scum are.


What the heck? Who does this? Who addresses town? A town post would have started at "we need to post more ...".

#FOS zelblade


1) Opps my bad, didnt see that part.

2) I was simply trying to generate some discussion as it would seem that no one was talking much, and trying to emphasise that we need to use our lynches carefully.

3) I am sorry if that came off at scummy, and what i simply meant by that part was that town needs to post more.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 25 2012 15:14 GMT
#109
On January 25 2012 14:19 zelblade wrote:As for what to do with our day 1 lynch, i suggest that we lynch a lurker unless a better canditate comes up. Remember that we still have alot of time left before the deadline, so we should utilize this time well to discuss and find a better lynch candidate than lynching by reverse-alphabetical order.


If i wasnt clear here, i apologise. What i meant to say i that we ought to lynch a lurker if we cannot find a better targert at the end of the day, and that it should be done only if there is/are no clear targert(s) at the end of day 1, instead of using RNG (or in this case, reverse-alphabetical order) to determine who is our day 1 lynch (which i believe zarepath seems to be advocating).
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 25 2012 15:37 GMT
#113
On January 26 2012 00:29 Simberto wrote:
EBWOP

And that (no random lynching) includes zarepath who has also already stated that he does not believe in random lynching anymore. So why did you bring him up again?


I was trying to explain the contradiction u pointed out earlier.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 26 2012 09:02 GMT
#164
On January 26 2012 08:01 DoYouHas wrote:
I believe zelblade is our best lynch option. Just look at what he did when thrust into the spotlight.
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On January 25 2012 15:48 zelblade wrote:
On January 25 2012 15:40 slOosh wrote:
On January 25 2012 15:21 zelblade wrote:
Regarding the setup, 4 scum to 9 town seems like a lot of scum to me. This would lead me to believe that scum KP is probably 1, as anything else will probably be excessive. As such, we probably have only 2 mislynches before LYLO, unless there is a medic prot of some sort of course. Thus we need to make sure that we use these lynches well, and use logical reasoning to pin down the lynch onto the scum.

To town, we need to post more, as more posts = more contributions, and would allow us to make analysis and thus help to pin down who the scum are.



Ok this post is really weird.

1) OP clearly states Mafia KP.

On January 24 2012 08:35 dreamflower wrote:
Mafia Goon
Your goal is to eliminate everyone else in the town. Your ability, as a group, is killing off whomever you decide on at night and knowing the role of each other player in your mafia. You may kill your own members. Mafia killing power is always 1 until there are no mafia remaining.


Of course this is a newbie game so y'know, people make mistakes.

2) This post doesn't actually give us anything new or that helpful. We can do the math and figure how many mislynches we have till Lylo, which isn't information you typically use day 1. I mean, unless you push for no lynch, how's that info help?


3) This is the part that got me from giving benefit of the doubt to feeling weird:

On January 25 2012 15:21 zelblade wrote:
To town, we need to post more, as more posts = more contributions, and would allow us to make analysis and thus help to pin down who the scum are.


What the heck? Who does this? Who addresses town? A town post would have started at "we need to post more ...".

#FOS zelblade


1) Opps my bad, didnt see that part.

2) I was simply trying to generate some discussion as it would seem that no one was talking much, and trying to emphasise that we need to use our lynches carefully.

3) I am sorry if that came off at scummy, and what i simply meant by that part was that town needs to post more.

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On January 26 2012 00:14 zelblade wrote:
On January 25 2012 14:19 zelblade wrote:As for what to do with our day 1 lynch, i suggest that we lynch a lurker unless a better canditate comes up. Remember that we still have alot of time left before the deadline, so we should utilize this time well to discuss and find a better lynch candidate than lynching by reverse-alphabetical order.


If i wasnt clear here, i apologise. What i meant to say i that we ought to lynch a lurker if we cannot find a better targert at the end of the day, and that it should be done only if there is/are no clear targert(s) at the end of day 1, instead of using RNG (or in this case, reverse-alphabetical order) to determine who is our day 1 lynch (which i believe zarepath seems to be advocating).

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On January 26 2012 00:37 zelblade wrote:
On January 26 2012 00:29 Simberto wrote:
EBWOP

And that (no random lynching) includes zarepath who has also already stated that he does not believe in random lynching anymore. So why did you bring him up again?


I was trying to explain the contradiction u pointed out earlier.

He has been apologizing and clarifying posts (which were already pretty clear) ever since spl0osh criticized his second post. Instead of using the spotlight to voice his own suspicions or convince us of his innocence, he has tried to move out of the spotlight as quickly and quietly as possible, while avoiding offending anyone. While his initial posts weren't particularly scummy, his responses have been nothing but suspicious.

## Vote: zelblade


The reason why I have been so apologetic is simply because it is my 1st game of mafia. I am not really sure how to approach this game, and am quite unsure of myself - that I may be making nooby mistakes. Apparently being overly apologetic is a nooby mistake, and i will try to correct that.

As for using the spotlight to voice my suspisions, at that time i didnt really have any reads on any particular person in the game (remember that it was at the start of day 1 and there was hardly any discussion yet besides about random lynching) besides perhaps fakepromise, who felt scummy for jumping onto the random lynch without any clear reasoning. However, quite a few players have already called him out for it, and i didnt feel that it was neccesary to add on to it, and wanted to wait for his response towards their accusiations.

At this point, fakepromise seems to be the most suspisious to me, not only for him advocating the random lynch but also for his responses to the pressure, and also how he has suddenly gone mia, without giving a proper response as to why he supported the random lynch, and his random accusation of sacredsystem eagerly wanting him to die doesnt really help.

I'm kinda confused on why SacredSystem is so eager for me to die, just because I happened to be reading this forum right after zelblade posted.


Also @ fakepromise i am not really sure what you mean by this part.... I really dont understand the bolded part, what did u mean by that? He certainly isnt accusing you because you happened to be reading after i posted.... as that doesnt make sense.

zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 26 2012 09:08 GMT
#165
One other thing is that although there is a voting thread, i believe that we should still post our votes here on the main thread so that we will be notified whenever someone votes.

As for my own vote, i am still waiting for fakepromise's proper response. If it doesnt come, my vote will probably go to him.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 26 2012 15:19 GMT
#177
Since I have to go to sleep soon (in about half and hour) and fakepromise still hasnt posted any sort of defence yet, I will be voting for him for now. Will wake up to check the thread in probably about 7-8 hours or so when i wake up, though i probably can only skim through the thread as i have to rush to school than, but definately can change my vote if need be.

##vote FakePromise
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 28 2012 05:31 GMT
#298
I am in the middle of school during the deadline, and as such cannot post close to it unlike you guys. As for not posting throughout the night, some crap came up and I couldnt find the time to catch up with the thread. Will be alot more active from now on.

Catching up on the thread now, will post thoughts in a bit.

Also I believe that since there was no kill last night, the person who got hit (protected by a medic/vet power) should claim that they were shot. Mafia already know who they shot anyways, and it does help to confirm you assuming no one couter claims the shot. Since town shouldnt in any case lie about this anyway, if no one counter claims the shot, we can assume that that person is very likely town.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 28 2012 06:40 GMT
#303
I believe that SacredSystem seems scummy.

+ Show Spoiler +
if zarepath was mafia he would have know that fakepromise was town
and it would have been very easy for him to justify killing of FP, so then why not kill him?

however i am most suspicious of zelblade,
he has spent the vast majority of the time apologizing for his noobiness and hasnt giving a good justification as to why he isnt mafia


also what does this even mean?????
I think sacredsystem is mafia, or at least appears to be the most mafia right now. Definitely suspicious. The most suspicious part is that his posts are confusing- if anyone calls him out on them for a scumslip he could try to explain it away by interpreting his posts. Then again, he may just be trying to be concise with his posts, and they do generally have a good message. I'm just not sure about him.



also in the rest of your post you accuse 3 ppl without actually being conclusive about anything,
ie oh hes mafia because i am suspicious
you entire post seems as though it has been set up to mislead people
and you keep attacking me for being confusing, yet my posts havnt been confusing at all
you havent contributed to any investigations
you jumped on the fakepromise vote
and you accuse me based off of nothing

so now tell me
why would you not be mafia?


He starts off this post by stating that he is "most suspisous" of me.

Then, he goes on to quote Chocolate, before accusing him out of nowhere, simply because Chocolate called him out for his unclear posts, and called him suspisious. This seems really wierd to me to jump out like that and call someone scum because you were attacked. He also blames him for jumping onto the fakepromise vote, when he himself, as adam has pointed out, jumped on it too.

Furthermore, his next post just a couple of minutes later says this :

+ Show Spoiler +

that was all directed at chocolate

and since zelblade has been suspicious of chocolate this whole time
maybe he all of his apologies are just the result of him being a noob


Firstly, when have i been suspisious of chocolate at all? The only person i have stated that i am suspisious off is fakepromise, simply because before i had to go he was the only one who seemed suspisious to me. This statement doesnt make sense at all and I dont even know what it means.

Next, this is a clear contradiction. Just because a new targert has jumped up, he instantly forgets about his suspisions about me and states that I might just be a noob. Going from "most suspicious" to "maybe just noob" in a couple of minutes seems really wierd to me, especially with nothing in between these minutes except that he has found a new targert to attack.

Looking through the rest of his filter, we see him advocating not jumping to counclusions, while he himself does it and jumps onto fakepromise for the 30% slip.

Throughout the rest of his earlier posts, most of them are spent attacking fakepromise, and look at this;


Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 10:58 zarepath wrote:
Also: feel free to investigate me at night, if there's a DT (which I highly suspect to be the case, considering the numbers). It will be a waste of an investigation, but with numerous lurkers not being pressured, multiple suspicious people not being followed up on, we're going to waste too much time and attention on me without a confirmation.


you are bluffing

how are we going to pressure lurkers if we arnt here? So stop trying to mislead the investigation, and throw us all on. wild goose chase imterogating players who arnt here


He attacks zarepath for wanting to pressure the many lurkers at this point. I dont see how wanting to pressure lurkers is anti-town at all, yet SS simply jumps onto him, claiming that he is trying to mislead the investigation, being on a wild goose chase. Lurkers are bad for town, and they need to post. zarepath is trying to get them to post, yet SS seems to defend these lurkers by shooting down zarepath's post, allowing lurkers to lurk more, eventually adding more confusion for town.

Overall, I believe that SacredSystem seems to be quite scummy at this point, and he is definately my strongest scum read, with him pushing fakepromise so hard, yet blaming people and calling them scummy for jumping onto a wagon that he is on - in fact, one that he strongly pushes for. His sudden out of the blue attack onto chocolate for "labeling me(SS) as mafia" definately throws on more suspision onto him.

##vote: SacredSystem
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 28 2012 06:41 GMT
#304
On January 28 2012 15:35 DoYouHas wrote:
I was the one hit last night.


Do you think that it would be a good idea to reveal if you were a vet or protected by a medic?
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 28 2012 06:45 GMT
#305
Does the mafia know the exact set-up? (What roles exsist, role-counts etc.)
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 28 2012 08:24 GMT
#310
On January 28 2012 16:42 SacredSystem wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 28 2012 15:40 zelblade wrote:
I believe that SacredSystem seems scummy.

+ Show Spoiler +
if zarepath was mafia he would have know that fakepromise was town
and it would have been very easy for him to justify killing of FP, so then why not kill him?

however i am most suspicious of zelblade,
he has spent the vast majority of the time apologizing for his noobiness and hasnt giving a good justification as to why he isnt mafia


also what does this even mean?????
I think sacredsystem is mafia, or at least appears to be the most mafia right now. Definitely suspicious. The most suspicious part is that his posts are confusing- if anyone calls him out on them for a scumslip he could try to explain it away by interpreting his posts. Then again, he may just be trying to be concise with his posts, and they do generally have a good message. I'm just not sure about him.



also in the rest of your post you accuse 3 ppl without actually being conclusive about anything,
ie oh hes mafia because i am suspicious
you entire post seems as though it has been set up to mislead people
and you keep attacking me for being confusing, yet my posts havnt been confusing at all
you havent contributed to any investigations
you jumped on the fakepromise vote
and you accuse me based off of nothing

so now tell me
why would you not be mafia?


He starts off this post by stating that he is "most suspisous" of me.

Then, he goes on to quote Chocolate, before accusing him out of nowhere, simply because Chocolate called him out for his unclear posts, and called him suspisious. This seems really wierd to me to jump out like that and call someone scum because you were attacked. He also blames him for jumping onto the fakepromise vote, when he himself, as adam has pointed out, jumped on it too.

Furthermore, his next post just a couple of minutes later says this :

+ Show Spoiler +

that was all directed at chocolate

and since zelblade has been suspicious of chocolate this whole time
maybe he all of his apologies are just the result of him being a noob


Firstly, when have i been suspisious of chocolate at all? The only person i have stated that i am suspisious off is fakepromise, simply because before i had to go he was the only one who seemed suspisious to me. This statement doesnt make sense at all and I dont even know what it means.

Next, this is a clear contradiction. Just because a new targert has jumped up, he instantly forgets about his suspisions about me and states that I might just be a noob. Going from "most suspicious" to "maybe just noob" in a couple of minutes seems really wierd to me, especially with nothing in between these minutes except that he has found a new targert to attack.

Looking through the rest of his filter, we see him advocating not jumping to counclusions, while he himself does it and jumps onto fakepromise for the 30% slip.

Throughout the rest of his earlier posts, most of them are spent attacking fakepromise, and look at this;

Show nested quote +

On January 27 2012 10:58 zarepath wrote:
Also: feel free to investigate me at night, if there's a DT (which I highly suspect to be the case, considering the numbers). It will be a waste of an investigation, but with numerous lurkers not being pressured, multiple suspicious people not being followed up on, we're going to waste too much time and attention on me without a confirmation.


you are bluffing

how are we going to pressure lurkers if we arnt here? So stop trying to mislead the investigation, and throw us all on. wild goose chase imterogating players who arnt here


He attacks zarepath for wanting to pressure the many lurkers at this point. I dont see how wanting to pressure lurkers is anti-town at all, yet SS simply jumps onto him, claiming that he is trying to mislead the investigation, being on a wild goose chase. Lurkers are bad for town, and they need to post. zarepath is trying to get them to post, yet SS seems to defend these lurkers by shooting down zarepath's post, allowing lurkers to lurk more, eventually adding more confusion for town.

Overall, I believe that SacredSystem seems to be quite scummy at this point, and he is definately my strongest scum read, with him pushing fakepromise so hard, yet blaming people and calling them scummy for jumping onto a wagon that he is on - in fact, one that he strongly pushes for. His sudden out of the blue attack onto chocolate for "labeling me(SS) as mafia" definately throws on more suspision onto him.

##vote: SacredSystem



zarepath never contributed any analysis
and he constantly wanted to mislead the any analysis that was being discussed

you seem to use the term bandwagon quite loosely
i created the wagon to lynch fakepromise
and why wouldnt i?
this is like the 3rd post where i have asked you to explain why a townsmen wouldnt be suspicious of him, and none of you have yet to do so

i never supported lurkers, i attacked the guy who avoided real analysis

but speaking of bandwagon this appears to be the second one you have jumped on.
first you used my logic to vote on fakepromise, and then condemn me for doing so
and then you jump on me
you have done nothing to prove that would be mafia, which im not
yet claim that i am right after adam laid the ground work for you




You claim that zarepath never contributed any analysis. But what sort of analysis have YOU provided?

Looking through your filter, all your attacks are flimsy.

First is of course the fakepromise incident. All the analysis that you provide here is basically that he decided to agree with the 30% lynch, and that he was definately mafia due to that and that alone. You ask why a townie wouldnt be suspicious of him, and although that one statement is really scummy, you simply concluded that he was 100% mafia without giving him a chance to respond and explain his reasons as to why he believed that it was a good idea. He could have been thinking of something we havent thought of, and the fact that you jumped on him so eagerly seems like you were looking for an easy mislynch.

Next you are asked who you think is mafia. You start out the post responding to it by saying that you were suspicious of me. Thats fine, only that your reasoning was something that had already been stated many others in the thread. This seems to me that you are, once again, attacking the easy targert and trying to get another easy mislynch.

However, upon reading chocolates post, you simply jump onto him and attack him, as i have stated, out of the blue simply because he thought that you were suspicious. You think that he is mafia, but you do not provide any sort of analysis at all besides that he jumped onto a wagon you created and pushed for, and for having suspicions on you.

Also, your posts are confusing, and this is because of the way you phrase your posts. For example, I can barely understand your last paragraph in this post. If possible, can you clarify for me what you mean by this:

+ Show Spoiler +
but speaking of bandwagon this appears to be the second one you have jumped on.
first you used my logic to vote on fakepromise, and then condemn me for doing so
and then you jump on me
you have done nothing to prove that would be mafia, which im not
yet claim that i am right after adam laid the ground work for you


My point is that if you want me to not think that you are scum, do more than simply push people for analysis and attacking everyone that is attacking you. Post some decent analysis on who you think is scum with reasons other than OMG he attacked me he must be scum.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 28 2012 08:33 GMT
#311
On another note, looking through SS's filter this post of zarepath's which he quoted really jumps out to me.

On January 27 2012 10:58 zarepath wrote:
Also: feel free to investigate me at night, if there's a DT (which I highly suspect to be the case, considering the numbers). It will be a waste of an investigation, but with numerous lurkers not being pressured, multiple suspicious people not being followed up on, we're going to waste too much time and attention on me without a confirmation.


What i think is wierd is the "feel free to investigate me at night part". Why would he want a DT to check him, when he himself even admits that "it will be a waste of an investigation"? I dont think that town would ever request a DT to check him unless there was a high chance that he was going to be lynched the next day, as doing so would use an action which could be better used on a scummy player to try and weed out scum. Finding scum is definately more important, IMO, than confirming 1 townie.

As such, this causes me to agree with DoYouHas that perhaps zerpath is indeed the godfather fishing for DT checks, enabling himself to get the status of "confirmed town", whilst wasting a DT check at the same time.

Also the way that SS attacks zarepath makes me feel that they probably arent on the same team. I mean, if they were both mafia, why attack each other that way at that time?

I would still prefer lynching SS at this point in time, unless he starts stepping up or a better case on zarepath convinces me that he is indeed mafia.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 28 2012 20:07 GMT
#321
On January 29 2012 04:50 SacredSystem wrote:
i agree with doyouhas
i feel like to divert attention way from himself zarepath began attacking me, using logic that doesnt lead to the conclusion that i am mafia, further more he only did so after adam made if convenient for him to do so

but doyouhas how do you feel about zarepath's attacks on me?
i am of the opinion that zarepath is creating a giant smokescreen just as he done on day 1


Are you confusing me with zarepath or something? I am the one that attacked you, not him.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 28 2012 20:17 GMT
#322
Argh need to go sleep now, its 4am here. Will read through the new case on zarepath and take a closer look at his filter tomorrow.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 29 2012 03:47 GMT
#340
On January 29 2012 12:36 Chocolate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 15:45 zelblade wrote:
Does the mafia know the exact set-up? (What roles exsist, role-counts etc.)


if he were mafia wouldnt he know?
as of now i am really tempted to lean in favor of zelblade just being a noob like he claims to be

If he were mafia of course he would know. That's why people are so suspicious of his post, because they see it as a move to try to seem like he's not mafia.

Show nested quote +
Now the two most prominent suspects for mafia at the moment at Zerpath, who is the most prominent, and myself. Yet interestingly enough he is attacking me
now we both cant be mafia, if we were we wouldnt accuse each other
that leaves us with 3 choices, we both are town, i am mafia, zerpath is mafia

You actually could both be mafia. It is not unheard of for two mafia to go after each other so that once one dies the town "confirms" the other. This is known as bussing, and you can't overlook this as a possibility.


How is this suspicious? I was just asking a question regarding the information mafia have. Sure, I could be mafia asking to look town. Or i could easily be a townie asking the host a question. I really dont see how u can see anything suspicious in that one question.

As for the lynch today, I have read through the cases on zarepath and i certainly see how he could be the mafia godfather, and DoYouHas makes some good points on how he jumps onto the SS bandwagon which I (whum he suspects to be mafia) am pushing. Honestly I will still prefer to lynch SacredSystem due to how much he is dodging questions. Either way, I wouldnt mind lynching either as I believe both could be mafia.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 29 2012 08:28 GMT
#345
On January 29 2012 16:38 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 12:47 zelblade wrote:
As for the lynch today, I have read through the cases on zarepath and i certainly see how he could be the mafia godfather, and DoYouHas makes some good points on how he jumps onto the SS bandwagon which I (whum he suspects to be mafia) am pushing. Honestly I will still prefer to lynch SacredSystem due to how much he is dodging questions. Either way, I wouldnt mind lynching either as I believe both could be mafia.

Then could I ask you to switch your vote onto Zarepath? We already have 5 on Zarepath and only 2 on Sacred, and we absolutely want to avoid splitting votes between two mafia.


Since it seems like Sacred isnt going to get lynched today I will change my vote for now i guess.

##Unvote: SacredSystem
##Vote: Zarepath
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 29 2012 18:09 GMT
#350
On January 30 2012 02:04 Simberto wrote:
I think that for today, SacredSystem is not a very good lynch. I also still remain very, very suspicious of zelblade, and would really like to lynch him since so often stuff seems to lead towards him, like this Zarepath case does, too. Basically the moment the second Zarepath case appears, zelblade comes out of lurking and attacks SacredSystem (easy target), quickly reinforced by Zarepath himself.

This, in my opinion, makes the already strong case on zarepath stronger. There are also some more inconsistencies i noticed upon rereading the thread, but this could also be my confirmation bias speaking (which upon rereading day 1 seems to be pretty strong).

For the moment, to avoid falling into the same traps i did on day 1, i will keep my vote on zelblade for overall fishiness, but i won't be the reason the zarepath case fails unless something truly unexpected comes up.

I would also really like our friendly neighbourhood lurkers balt11t, bromancipate and chocolate to both post in this thread and cast their votes.


I didnt attack SS because he was an "easy targert", but because he keeps contradicting himself, dodges many of adams questions, and his posts are also difficult to understand.

As for the coming out of lurking part, I really did have some IRL stuff come up, and I "came out of lurking" before the zarepath case appeared in the first place. Thus this point doesnt make sense and I really dont see what you mean by "stuff leading to me".
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 29 2012 18:21 GMT
#351
Another thing - going to sleep now. Will also have something on tomorrow, so i might be away from the thread for a period of time. Probably will wake up in time to go through the thread before leaving though.

Saying this so that I dont get called out for "lurking" again.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 30 2012 04:12 GMT
#371
Nice lynch :D

Since it seems that most of us were on zarepath, I guess that the mafia probably have little to no thread presence. Suggest we take a hard look at the lurkers for the next lynch.

As stated earlier I need to go now and will be away from the thread for quite a while.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 30 2012 13:11 GMT
#396
On January 30 2012 13:35 slOosh wrote:
Ehh....
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 05:07 zelblade wrote:
On January 29 2012 04:50 SacredSystem wrote:
i agree with doyouhas
i feel like to divert attention way from himself zarepath began attacking me, using logic that doesnt lead to the conclusion that i am mafia, further more he only did so after adam made if convenient for him to do so

but doyouhas how do you feel about zarepath's attacks on me?
i am of the opinion that zarepath is creating a giant smokescreen just as he done on day 1

Are you confusing me with zarepath or something? I am the one that attacked you, not him.

Establishing that Zarepath did not attack SS.


I wasnt trying to establish that zarepath didnt attack SS. That post was really goddammed wierd, and I couldnt understand it, and I believed that he might be confusing me and zarepath, and I just asked him to clarify.(which he did)

Really dont see how clarifying about a confusing post that confused me is scummy.


Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 07:59 slOosh wrote:
On January 30 2012 07:18 Adam4167 wrote:
Well, as it stands, zarepath now has 8 votes on him.

This can only mean one thing. There are mafia voting for him.

Since I know I'm town, at least one of the mafia team (if not more) are on this vote.

There's always the possibility that his team has abandoned him, but I am really doubting it at this point. There's been almost no opposition to this lynch other then myself, and no other real case has appeared on day 2 other then mine on SacredSystem. Lynches that go too easy are almost universally mislynches.

I concede that no other lynch is going through considering we are ~5 hours to crunch-time and everyone seems pretty sold on this one. Ill shift my vote closer to the deadline to prevent some kind of mass-unvote shenanigans if he is indeed mafia.

I think his team did abandon him.

And I think this based off my reads on who I think the other mafia players are - I believe that they lack enough credibility or presence to be able to convince people off a very strong analysis.

So most likely mafia are doing their best to blend in with the zarepath lynch as much as possible and starting at night to push forth their own agenda. Mafia would not want to be the few people who did not vote Zarepath as they would receive the spotlight and so they fear this (towns people don't mind since they can justify themselves and are clear with their intentions. I think you unafraid to keep your vote on SS is an example of this).

If anything I would be surprised if there weren't 2, even more so if there weren't 3 mafia voting for Zarepath.


Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 13:12 zelblade wrote:
Nice lynch :D

Since it seems that most of us were on zarepath, I guess that the mafia probably have little to no thread presence. Suggest we take a hard look at the lurkers for the next lynch.

As stated earlier I need to go now and will be away from the thread for quite a while.

Copies my post and then misdirects us to focus on lurkers (we're nailing balt11t and town presence is strong enough that we don't need lurkers to find mafia). Does exactly what I guessed.

Remember to
$$Vote Zelblade



When i posted this post, I was in a rush to go out and didnt have time to read through the thread properly. Only skimmed through the posts after the day post before typing that before going out. I didnt actually see that you had already posted that.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 31 2012 09:05 GMT
#442
Just got back from school, catching up on the thread right now.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 31 2012 09:21 GMT
#443
On January 31 2012 00:21 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 22:11 zelblade wrote:
On January 30 2012 13:35 slOosh wrote:
Ehh....
On January 29 2012 05:07 zelblade wrote:
On January 29 2012 04:50 SacredSystem wrote:
i agree with doyouhas
i feel like to divert attention way from himself zarepath began attacking me, using logic that doesnt lead to the conclusion that i am mafia, further more he only did so after adam made if convenient for him to do so

but doyouhas how do you feel about zarepath's attacks on me?
i am of the opinion that zarepath is creating a giant smokescreen just as he done on day 1

Are you confusing me with zarepath or something? I am the one that attacked you, not him.

Establishing that Zarepath did not attack SS.


I wasnt trying to establish that zarepath didnt attack SS. That post was really goddammed wierd, and I couldnt understand it, and I believed that he might be confusing me and zarepath, and I just asked him to clarify.(which he did)

Really dont see how clarifying about a confusing post that confused me is scummy.


On January 30 2012 07:59 slOosh wrote:
On January 30 2012 07:18 Adam4167 wrote:
Well, as it stands, zarepath now has 8 votes on him.

This can only mean one thing. There are mafia voting for him.

Since I know I'm town, at least one of the mafia team (if not more) are on this vote.

There's always the possibility that his team has abandoned him, but I am really doubting it at this point. There's been almost no opposition to this lynch other then myself, and no other real case has appeared on day 2 other then mine on SacredSystem. Lynches that go too easy are almost universally mislynches.

I concede that no other lynch is going through considering we are ~5 hours to crunch-time and everyone seems pretty sold on this one. Ill shift my vote closer to the deadline to prevent some kind of mass-unvote shenanigans if he is indeed mafia.

I think his team did abandon him.

And I think this based off my reads on who I think the other mafia players are - I believe that they lack enough credibility or presence to be able to convince people off a very strong analysis.

So most likely mafia are doing their best to blend in with the zarepath lynch as much as possible and starting at night to push forth their own agenda. Mafia would not want to be the few people who did not vote Zarepath as they would receive the spotlight and so they fear this (towns people don't mind since they can justify themselves and are clear with their intentions. I think you unafraid to keep your vote on SS is an example of this).

If anything I would be surprised if there weren't 2, even more so if there weren't 3 mafia voting for Zarepath.


On January 30 2012 13:12 zelblade wrote:
Nice lynch :D

Since it seems that most of us were on zarepath, I guess that the mafia probably have little to no thread presence. Suggest we take a hard look at the lurkers for the next lynch.

As stated earlier I need to go now and will be away from the thread for quite a while.

Copies my post and then misdirects us to focus on lurkers (we're nailing balt11t and town presence is strong enough that we don't need lurkers to find mafia). Does exactly what I guessed.

Remember to
$$Vote Zelblade



When i posted this post, I was in a rush to go out and didnt have time to read through the thread properly. Only skimmed through the posts after the day post before typing that before going out. I didnt actually see that you had already posted that.

Clarifying a confusing post is fine. It's the manner in which you did it that is strange.
I don't see how that second sentence "I am the one that attacked you, not him" is necessary.
All it does is try to clear Zarepath of suspicion (from Sacred at least)

And with your post that was "written in haste":
Show nested quote +
Since it seems that most of us were on zarepath, I guess that the mafia probably have little to no thread presence.
That's a pretty big logical jump you made there.
Premise: Almost everyone voted Zarepath.
Conclusion. Mafia have little to no thread presence.

Its too big to be an oversight caused to due hastiness. This oversight is because you are working off already existing ideas (namely mine) and thus felt no need to explain your thinking process.

Anyways I am dead set against you and you will be next up for lynch. Day 1 info was good enough for me to lynch you and this new stuff isn't clearing you at all.

Remember guys
$$Vote Zelblade


I really dont see how that one statement is scummy at all. That post was, as said really bloody confusing and i dont see in any way how it is strange. The 2nd sentance is just an explanation I believed that he had made a mistake. You seriously are reading too much into this and I am in no way trying to push away suspision from zarepath.

As for the 2nd part, I was already thinking that the lynch seemed really easy with basically little to no defence whilst i was sleeping, and I thought that it might be a mislynch due to the lack of defence. When he flipped scum, I simply came to the conclusion that the remaining mafia probably arent very infulential in the thread. Could have typed that out, but as i said, I was in a rush.

I seriously think that you are tunneling me at this point.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 31 2012 09:47 GMT
#445
The case of simbertoe is pretty interesting and i think that it raises alot of valid points. From memory, it seems like he is the one constantly attempting to push for my lynch the most, but never actually making an actual case except for his day 1 case on me and a few others. (cant remember who at this point, will look later) Besides, he seems to always make cases that hang on my "scumniness". At first I thought that it could just be him tunneling me due to my pretty bad day 1 posting, but it seems a litte suspicious.

As for my reads (Stupid timezones cant post before nightpost =/)


Bromancipate - Dont think that he is scum due to his good posts.

SacredSystem - Already explained why I think he is scum in my day 2 case, still hasnt stepped up yet, posts still unclear.

Chocolate - No idea due to inactivity, voted rather late for zarepath, could be mafia if SS/simbertoe doesnt flip red.

DoYouHas - Claimed shot, no counterclaim. Excellent posting and started the zarepath lynch.

CosmosXAM - First to push zarepath (day1), dont think he is scum.

Adam4167 - Pushes SS who i believe is scum, posts make sense.

Simberto - Explained (briefly). Will go through his filter in a bit and make a proper analysis.

slOosh - Active, good posting, though I believe he is probably tunneling me =(
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 31 2012 10:03 GMT
#447
Sorry just a typo.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
January 31 2012 10:21 GMT
#448
Alright took a look at simberto's filter. The points DYH makes are valid. Besides me and the lurkers(which are easy to attack without providing much reasoning), he has never pushed any1 else, and even with me, not made a strong case at all and pushed it. I think that DYH has summed up very well why Simberto is likely to flip scum.

Also one thing that I feel is wierd:

Simberto
Just one thing i wanted to say: DoYouHas claiming having been shot at does not make him 100% town, even without a counterclaim. It could be a mafia ploy to get someone 100% trusted by not shooting at all. I don't think that this is what happened (it sounds pretty far-fetched), but one should still keep the possibility at the back of ones head.


It seems like he is attempting to be casting doubt onto DYH at this point. I understand this is a minor point, but i feel that it is really wierd.

Anyway, I do think that it is likely that Simberto will flip scum. SS (or maybe chocolate) is probably the last scum.

##vote: Simberto
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
February 01 2012 07:31 GMT
#493
On February 01 2012 06:17 SacredSystem wrote:Now i believe zelblade is mafia, in his attacks on me he is his very defensive and critical of my attacks on zarepath, his analysis felt far more emotional then logical, Capitalized bold letters, double question marks, the use of logic that isnt logical, and this omggg how could you think that defense


My analysis wasnt "emotional". The only capitalized bold letters are a "you", I dont see any double question marks, I dont see you pointing out anything in my analysis that "isnt logical", the "omgggg how could you think that defense" is referring to your OMGUS (in which you attack him because he feels that you are suspisious and for no other reason whatsover) of chocolate. Stop fabricating bullshit that isnt true.

Also just the very notion that you furiously defended someone that fliped red insta makes you a prime suspect. Then on top of that after zarepath was proven mafia you acted like you were all on board with it


When the hell have I "furiously defended" him? I had made it clear after the case DYH posted that he seemed scummy and that I was suspisious of him, but moreso on you. Please point out an instance in which I defend him. Cant understand "acted like you were all on board on it".

+ Show Spoiler +
On January 28 2012 17:33 zelblade wrote:
On another note, looking through SS's filter this post of zarepath's which he quoted really jumps out to me.

Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 10:58 zarepath wrote:
Also: feel free to investigate me at night, if there's a DT (which I highly suspect to be the case, considering the numbers). It will be a waste of an investigation, but with numerous lurkers not being pressured, multiple suspicious people not being followed up on, we're going to waste too much time and attention on me without a confirmation.


What i think is wierd is the "feel free to investigate me at night part". Why would he want a DT to check him, when he himself even admits that "it will be a waste of an investigation"? I dont think that town would ever request a DT to check him unless there was a high chance that he was going to be lynched the next day, as doing so would use an action which could be better used on a scummy player to try and weed out scum. Finding scum is definately more important, IMO, than confirming 1 townie.

As such, this causes me to agree with DoYouHas that perhaps zerpath is indeed the godfather fishing for DT checks, enabling himself to get the status of "confirmed town", whilst wasting a DT check at the same time.

Also the way that SS attacks zarepath makes me feel that they probably arent on the same team. I mean, if they were both mafia, why attack each other that way at that time?

I would still prefer lynching SS at this point in time, unless he starts stepping up or a better case on zarepath convinces me that he is indeed mafia.


notice how he says
Show nested quote +

I would still prefer lynching SS at this point in time, unless he starts stepping up or a better case on zarepath convinces me that he is indeed mafia

he was mafia but that didnt seem to change your mind


I did say that I prefer lynching you over zarepath because I had a stronger scum read on you, and this was before the DYH case. I am not really sure about that last sentence of yours, but i shall assume (correct me if I am wrong), that you are talking about my "if zarepath = red SS prolly = green" part, I did think so at that point in time but I still am getting a scum feel off you, and as DYH has said;

DoYouHas
I feel the need to walk back my defense of SacredSystem a bit. In day2 I was very quick to defend him as he was an early supporter of my analysis. I was looking for things that would let me channel voting towards zarepath. I think that is very clear to everyone. However, after getting zarepath lynched I have looked more closely at the case Adam presented and now Bromancipate. This, on top of the fact that a unanimous vote means support of my analysis and the zarepath lynch are no longer good standards for innocence, makes me retract my earlier defense of SacredSystem. I am going to take advantage of night2 to really look into SacredSystem for myself. Also, I'm going to try and analyze zelblade's day2 posts since we seem to be focusing on his day1 issues a little too much.


I now dont believe that the zarepath flip clears you at all.

+ Show Spoiler +
On January 30 2012 13:12 zelblade wrote:
Nice lynch :D

Since it seems that most of us were on zarepath, I guess that the mafia probably have little to no thread presence. Suggest we take a hard look at the lurkers for the next lynch.

As stated earlier I need to go now and will be away from the thread for quite a while.


ja hahah, except you! You were the one defending him


As stated, I wasnt defending him.

tldr
adam
zelblade
zelblade seems scared, look how he gave himself away with his aggression on me and his defense of his buddy zarepath

also be careful zelblade, you kill me and i flip green, which i will, you are dead the very next day
vote: zelbalde


I am not scared, and I didnt "give myself away" with my attacks on you and non-exsistent defense of my so-called buddy. Dont worry, you will be lynched next after simberto flips red. And even if you are somehow town (highly highly doubt so), no scum in their right mind would shoot you, since you are doing an excellent job pushing their agenda for them.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
February 01 2012 13:48 GMT
#500
On February 01 2012 21:46 Chocolate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 16:46 slOosh wrote:
Ok. This is about Chocolate. Quick skim of his filter demonstrates that he has some experience with mafia and isn't a total newbie playing his first game.
On February 01 2012 08:34 Chocolate wrote:
All right let's do this.
Town
Sloosh- Great analysis, very active, driving discussion
DYH- Good analysis, active, claimed being hit w/ no counterclaim
Bromancipate- Kind of on the edge, but has been posting a lot lately w/ good analysis and is driving discussion
Cosmos- started zarepath lynch
Adam- playing well, contributing
Don't know...
SS- very hostile attitude, confusing posts, omgus a lot BUT is active and seems to be trying to do analysis
Zellblade- just generally shady, lurker like myself
Mafia??
Simberto- Now that everyone has pointed out his inconsistencies he seems to me to be a mafia, or at least the best current candidate for a lynch.

There are nine players in the game.
He puts five as town, two as null & one as mafia for a total of eight reads (plus himself makes nine).

Remember that there are two mafia left (as if town would forget!) and look at his last line.

He only considers Simberto as mafia after night 2 ends and people start openly suspecting Simberto. It is a very passive stance. Notice how he says it. He "seems". Then notice how he says that this is the best current candidate. Ok. So logically he is saying that Simberto, of whom he does not strongly believe is the mafia, is the best candidate in his mind.

So I ask you guys, what is he thinking going into night 2 without any mafia reads???


With this I am leaning much to a Simberto/Chocolate team that is bussing each other so that the other will stand a better chance. With Simberto on the chopping block he drops his thoughts on zelblade and points out Chocolate.

This does mean that Sacred is town. Perhaps he is town suffering from serious tunnel vision. I don't like this but at least he has some thought (doesn't matter how well/poorly reasoned it may be).

Chocolate, with the 0 reads night 2 is a mafia.

It's not that I don't think there are two mafia left, of course there are. I just don't KNOW who the second one is. I also think the main reason that someone would suddenly be on simberto's case just after night ends would be if he had investigated him, which is good evidence on top of some of his posting.


Im quite sure what slOosh is pointing out here (correct me if im wrong) is not that you dont think that there are two mafia left, but rather that you dont seem to be actively scumhunting, and that you went into the 2nd night with no mafia reads, and only felt that simberto was mafia after the night. His point here is this - If you are town, why havent you been scumhunting? As such, he suspects that you are mafia as you already know who scum are, and thus dont need to look through the thread in order to find out who is scum - causing you to not have any actual reads.

And wtf do you mean with the 2nd sentance? Are you saying that one of the people who quickly jumped onto simberto day 3 is the DT? (I am assuming that you are refering to a DT check when you say "investigated".
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
February 01 2012 13:55 GMT
#501
On February 01 2012 18:12 Simberto wrote:
Also, i hate to be the one pointing this out, but has CosmosXAM completely vanished?


No he hasnt. Look a few posts above yours and you will see that he has posted a few hours before you.

On February 01 2012 12:16 CosmosXAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 12:09 Adam4167 wrote:
After rereading the thread in its entirety, ive noticed something.

Zarepath pushing CosmosXAM as a lynch candidate on day 1 stemmed partly from CosmosXAM pointing the finger a Chocolate for being 'suspicious'. This is a textbook example of what is known as a 'Chainsaw Defense', which is when one mafia gets attacked by a townie, another mafia attacks the accuser to deflect suspicion back on the townie. Its right Here at the bottom of that horrible WIFOM'ey defense of FakePromise.

Add on top of this, both times I've called him mafia, hes come out of lurker mode.

I'm seeing too much in favor of voting for Chocolate, and not enough redeeming him.
##Vote Chocolate



One thing that sticks out to me in Simberto's filter is the continual redirects onto balt11t. And There Are Lots And Lots Of Them

So I guess I am posed with the question of was he doing this to pick up the 'town cred' after we inevitably killed balt? (because lets face it, that was going to happen, sooner rather than later)


Interesting points, after reading a lot of previous posts I think that my new top three that might be mafia (I know there is only two left) would have to be chocolate simberto zelblade though I doubt both simberto and zelblade would be mafia together, still not even close to 100% on any of these so i think I will hold my vote off for a bit.


I dont think that leaving the thread for a few hours = "completely vanished". Stop trying to redirect attention of yourself.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
February 01 2012 23:05 GMT
#516
Gosh.

SS switch your vote please. As choc has alrdy pointed out we rly need a lynch today and since it doesn't seem like I will be lynched, switch your vote to either sombrero or choc. We still need 5 to lynch. Don't waste your vote voting for someone who isn't likely to be lynched. And you keep mentioning that I defended zarepath when I have already stated that I wasn't and asked you to point out an instance when I did so. instead you just skip over my response to your case. How convenient.

Posting this from phone, on the way to school. Probably can check back before lynch.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
February 02 2012 08:16 GMT
#539
Well that was unexpected. Need to take a good look at the thread later.

Wont mind a 24 hr day.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
February 02 2012 13:28 GMT
#542
Will be busy for the rest of the night and as such wont be able to post till day starts tomorrow.

Suspicious of both SS and chocolate at this point. Will elaborate on my suspisions tomorrow since I need to go off now, and will not be on a computer for a while.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
February 03 2012 10:29 GMT
#620
Nice we won :D

Sorry for playing so badly. Apparently it isn't a gpod idea to play forum mafia in the middle of the school term when I have exams near =/

And lol @ I and ss tunneling each other all day. Any tips on how I could get better? That was pretty fun even tho I sucked and would love to play again when I have more free time.

Thanks to dreamflower and qatol for hosting, and everyone else for the great game :D
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
February 03 2012 18:37 GMT
#625
On February 03 2012 21:28 Adam4167 wrote:
Yeah, its a big time commitment, best done when youre on holidays.

Make sure you reread the entire thread after each person is flipped each day and night, factoring in their now-revealed alignment.
.
Always question what someones motive is, why are they doing something.

Same advice that was passed to me after my first game, get more aggressive, youll get what your looking for a lot faster. Either youll figure out theyre town, like i did with SS, or youll figure out theyre mafia, like with Chocolate.


Thanks for the advice
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
February 10 2012 18:08 GMT
#698
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