EPTI don't know what to make of Meatless yet.
Also Node is uncc'ed vig, so he is town.
I need to think on risk.nuke some more, but I am leaning towards town.
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Paperscraps
United States639 Posts
I don't know what to make of Meatless yet. Also Node is uncc'ed vig, so he is town. I need to think on risk.nuke some more, but I am leaning towards town. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
Chaoser right now to me is orange. If we had to vote right now, I wouldn't cast my vote for him, but I'd still be pretty suspicious. | ||
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MeatlessTaco
United States302 Posts
On January 27 2012 22:47 MeatlessTaco wrote: I read through the thread to verify how correct I was and saw this again. The original thought I had was that I didn't think we could make an informed decision before N1 on who to give our vote to. I think this was a reasonable assumption at the time, and the first 6 posts were 6 people signing up for the Circle of Trust. The other mistake was I assumed mafia would have vote-rigging, ballot-stuffing, chad-hanging abilities. No one else has had this concern so I was likely wrong.emphasis added So, do we think we can make a better than random guess during Night 1 on who to give our votes to? The Circle of Trust was never supposed to be for all game, just to limit the damage to town until we had enough information in a no-flip, closed game. My only reservation is that since mafia only has 1 KP, we might get too aggressive too quick with vigs and such blowing our loads too early. Here's my vote on Sentinel, this is when I had a choice between WBG and Sentinel On January 29 2012 07:54 MeatlessTaco wrote: If Sentinel is actually really clever, this scares me The whole idea behind the Circle of Trust was not to lose as town by avoiding worst-case scenarios on the first night. Suggesting trading 2 votes a night in a mafia-exploitable way is horrible. Obviously, he backs away as soon as he is called on it. This could be just bad logic, but if others think he is actually pretty clever, then this is really scummy. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel And here is where I decide I don't like LSB On January 29 2012 10:02 MeatlessTaco wrote: Am I taking crazy pills or is this a really bad idea? Here's where I realize giving a vote to layabout was stupid On January 30 2012 13:54 MeatlessTaco wrote: I sent 1 vote to layabout. I had a read of LSB and layabout on different teams/sides so all of this shows that pretty much all my reads were way off. in defense of my Sentinel vote, prp gives props to LSB for it On January 30 2012 17:28 prplhz wrote: LSB did huge work on all of the plans and spearheaded [UoN]Sentinel lynch. And then Palmar starts the LSB train which eventually switches to VE. On January 31 2012 05:34 MeatlessTaco wrote: ##Vote VisceraEyes VE's defense of LSB's "logic" made me throw up a little bit. The only thing mildly useful I've done all game is to argue against really risky 2 vote swing plans and try to kill people who pushed it. Since then I've been impatient/drunk trying to kill LSB and Layabout ASAP. I have no votes to give away so I'm willing to lurk until tomorrow. tldr: I'll have 1 vote and zero influence. It's a waste of a lynch at this point. | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
On February 01 2012 13:57 MeatlessTaco wrote: prplhz said we should give away as many votes as wecan every day. He was a supporter of LSB, the only confirmed red, he cautions restraint in the layabout lynch, when he wanted to hammer bugs. Why are we stalling again, prp? On February 01 2012 13:59 MeatlessTaco wrote: apologies, I missed one prp accusation, he vote-loaded Palmar when he knew he would die in order to look town | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
On February 01 2012 15:01 jaybrundage wrote: I want to lynch chaoser tommorow then. Notice this he CLAIMED that he got votes from layabout. Before everyone had even claimed only 7 people had declared where there votes went. That means 4 people had not declared who they were voting for. However instead of thinking other people voted for him he assumed that layabout gave him those votes. Looks like he had prior knowledge that he was going to get those votes. Also he defended LSB for a bit till he figured that he too was a lost cause. Chaoser also didnt know about the VE lynch till it already happened he could not really have a say in it. (although maybe he would of tried to defend his mafia buddy) It seems pretty obvious that hes mafia. Unless layabout was using WIFOM to try to make chaoser look bad. What do you guys think. If Chaoser doesn't work out i have another candidate in mind. I would like to know who you meant? | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
I think the last 1/2 scum are in this list of 4: Chaoser MeatlessTaco Jaybrundage Jackal58 In that order. The reason I say 1/2 scum instead of only 1 is because I only see VE and LSB as confirmed scum. We got flip on LSB and VE basicly sacrified himself to save LSB. WBG is probably town and layabout is probably scum. layabout vote magnet could also be a major powerplay from scum to throw town totally off. Also where the fuck is everyone? This game isn't over yet... | ||
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Paperscraps
United States639 Posts
On February 02 2012 19:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I have a funny feeling about Taco, he cast his vote for me without explanation D1, maybe part of the same bandwagon that bugs, layabout and LSB were on. Chaoser right now to me is orange. If we had to vote right now, I wouldn't cast my vote for him, but I'd still be pretty suspicious. Grouping bugs, layabout and LSB is interesting. Care to expand on this? Also why wouldn't you cast your vote right now? | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
Half the game he have been posting thought similar to those of the scum we have confirmed (LSB and VE – I assume VE is confirmed due to palmar being shot). The other half he have been questioning and attacking the exact same people. He starts by wanted to do circletrade like LSB. He then wants to kill either Palmar or risk.nuke because they are against the circletrade. He claims this was an attempt to bully them to follow what he thought was a good plan. Even though he in this this post seemed to have changed his mind he later posts as if circletrading is still a good choice: here. He supports VE case on Paperscraps by saying he doesn’t find anything wrong with it and later supports LSB case on Sentinel with a vote day 1. He also say that he don’t find anything bad in VE’s filter here Then he does a 180 and starts attacking the known scum. He questions LSB’s first post night 1 calling it a bad idea. Day 2 he votes LSB pretty early. Palmar and Paperscraps had voted (with no reasoning) and his own reasoning was rather lacking: see here He later helps to lynch VE, continues to push LSB a little and later pushes layabout. Layabout also had him pretty high on his scum list – but that can mean anything. The 2 posts I asked him to elaborate on are pretty bad. Because the only thing I find true in them are that prphlz wanted us to give away as many votes as possible day 1 and that prphlz have given all his votes to palmar. This in itself is not scummy. All in all he isn't a bad lynch target. | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
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MeatlessTaco
United States302 Posts
On February 02 2012 23:52 Dirkzor wrote: Since you are here, mind elaborating on these two posts aswell? With references if possible... prp harped on me for pushing for a lynch, he wanted to "run the numbers", I though we could run the numbers later anyway so just get a lynch in. In that post prp called me "less than impressive" and "deliberately obtuse", which, since I was drunk, I spent 2 minutes unearthing his less than impressive play, which included the last defense anyone gave of LSB, vote loading Palmar to give mafia a chance and advocating giving away as many votes as possible which is the reason we can't be 100% sure of a victory because we had to lynch 10 votes yesterday. I also found it odd that he was asking for restraint when he was pushing for the bug's hammer quickly. When I sobered up, I realized prp is unlikely scum since the proper play for him would have been to give 1 vote to Palmar, not 5, in case they didn't get a majority right there. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On February 03 2012 02:19 Paperscraps wrote: Grouping bugs, layabout and LSB is interesting. Care to expand on this? Also why wouldn't you cast your vote right now? It's mostly layabout and LSB as the two "knowns" of the mafia. Bugs might have just bandwagoned on because he truly felt like I was the mafia, but he didn't give any sort of reasoning when I asked him for it. Meatless Taco just parroted LSB's concern and then actually said "If he's voting for Sentinel for that reason, then I'll vote for him too." At least bugs tried to come up with something. As for chaoser, I'm just not 100% convinced that he's scum. Like I see where you guys are going with your logic, but I need to read through a bit more. | ||
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MeatlessTaco
United States302 Posts
I was too gung-ho on the circle trade, but admitted it, and attempted to convince other people Palmar was right. + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2012 22:47 MeatlessTaco wrote: I read through the thread to verify how correct I was and saw this again. The original thought I had was that I didn't think we could make an informed decision before N1 on who to give our vote to. I think this was a reasonable assumption at the time, and the first 6 posts were 6 people signing up for the Circle of Trust. The other mistake was I assumed mafia would have vote-rigging, ballot-stuffing, chad-hanging abilities. No one else has had this concern so I was likely wrong. So, do we think we can make a better than random guess during Night 1 on who to give our votes to? The Circle of Trust was never supposed to be for all game, just to limit the damage to town until we had enough information in a no-flip, closed game. My only reservation is that since mafia only has 1 KP, we might get too aggressive too quick with vigs and such blowing our loads too early. I defended VE at one point when people criticized this analysis as a reason to lynch. No one ever responded to my concerns. + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2012 16:45 VisceraEyes wrote: I vote D1 we circle jerk and see what happens. Just saying "oh you know, there will be people who don't want to follow the plan" the way LSB did excuses that kind of behavior - the plan doesn't work unless we all agree to it. If we can't come to a consensus, then we're all going to just have to do whatever the fuck, and I already know where my votes are going in the event that happens. Now, the lynch. ##Vote: Paperscraps This set off alarm bells. My main problem is that he doesn't sound like someone with a town read on Palmar. He sounds like someone who already knows Palmar's alignment is town. I'm going to be honest - I'm also starting to think Palmar is town, but it's not based on a belief that I think he's acting scummy to test reactions. It could be, but that's not why. I think Palmar is town based almost exclusively on the fact that scummy players like Paperscraps are defending the way he's playing. In the first paragraph he outlines a needlessly convoluted plan with the main goal of "keeping the mafia on their toes" by "randomly choosing" who votes go to within smaller groups of townies. But in the second paragraph, he makes sure to agree with the circlejerk plan. Why? If you support the circle-voting plan then why are you coming up with more options? The day is half over bro, it's time to start thinkin about that LYNCH. But not your vote. Why? Whether we've come to a consensus on how to deal with the votes or not, we still have to lynch someone today. That starts with votes. Now, I agree that MeatlessTaco doesn't look great with his lack of reasoning for his votes and blatant sheeping, but lynch? Not to mention the fact that you're in favor of this circlejerk plan...but... It was MeatlessTaco's idea! He was the first to suggest it! If it's "the best option", then why are you the most interested in lynching the person who brought it up first? My guess? He doesn't even realize that MT brought it up first. He's just looking for the easiest target, and right now that's someone who suspects Palmar and voted risk.nuke for no reason. Paperscraps is scum Paperscraps' convoluted mini-group thing was never going to work and just impeded any kind of actual plan. He gives an inane analysis in the role of randomness in the game and then leaves an himself an out. That analysis seemed legit to the time to me. If someone wants to defend Paperscraps' post here, I would love to hear it. I was the first to say something against LSB's "everyone please trade two votes" plan + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2012 10:02 MeatlessTaco wrote: Am I taking crazy pills or is this a really bad idea? No one responded there so I waited until the night was over. Everything since then has been me trying to kill LSB and layabout due to his association with LSB. + Show Spoiler + On January 30 2012 13:54 MeatlessTaco wrote: I sent 1 vote to layabout. I had a read of LSB and layabout on different teams/sides so all of this shows that pretty much all my reads were way off. On January 30 2012 19:45 MeatlessTaco wrote: Why the change of heart? ##Vote LSB My play may have been less than impressive, but I am not obtuse. Don't lynch me over a row with prp, who decided it was a good idea to shift 5 votes to the most likely mafia target. Disclaimer: I don't plan on being sober until after my days off, like 3 days from now. So, please read this entire post before wasting a lynch on me. | ||
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MeatlessTaco
United States302 Posts
On February 03 2012 05:51 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 03 2012 02:19 Paperscraps wrote: Grouping bugs, layabout and LSB is interesting. Care to expand on this? Also why wouldn't you cast your vote right now? It's mostly layabout and LSB as the two "knowns" of the mafia. + Show Spoiler + Bugs might have just bandwagoned on because he truly felt like I was the mafia, but he didn't give any sort of reasoning when I asked him for it. Meatless Taco just parroted LSB's concern and then actually said "If he's voting for Sentinel for that reason, then I'll vote for him too." At least bugs tried to come up with something. As for chaoser, I'm just not 100% convinced that he's scum. Like I see where you guys are going with your logic, but I need to read through a bit more. Isn't VE confirmed scum? | ||
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Paperscraps
United States639 Posts
My top scum reads: MeatlessTaco Chaoser Sentinel Dirkzor I believe much will be revealed after tonight. Incase I die, I leave you all with this. steganography | ||
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MeatlessTaco
United States302 Posts
On February 03 2012 05:51 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: ...Meatless Taco just parroted LSB's concern and then actually said "If he's voting for Sentinel for that reason, then I'll vote for him too."... On January 29 2012 07:54 MeatlessTaco wrote: If Sentinel is actually really clever, this scares me The whole idea behind the Circle of Trust was not to lose as town by avoiding worst-case scenarios on the first night. Suggesting trading 2 votes a night in a mafia-exploitable way is horrible. Obviously, he backs away as soon as he is called on it. This could be just bad logic, but if others think he is actually pretty clever, then this is really scummy. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel I stand by my Day 1 read that Sentinel was a better lynch than WBG. This is the only coherent point I've made all game: Passing too many votes haphazardly puts town at risk. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On February 03 2012 00:36 Dirkzor wrote: I've read most filters now. (still need to read node, paper and sentinel but will do that later tonight) I think the last 1/2 scum are in this list of 4: Chaoser MeatlessTaco Jaybrundage Jackal58 In that order. The reason I say 1/2 scum instead of only 1 is because I only see VE and LSB as confirmed scum. We got flip on LSB and VE basicly sacrified himself to save LSB. WBG is probably town and layabout is probably scum. layabout vote magnet could also be a major powerplay from scum to throw town totally off. Also where the fuck is everyone? This game isn't over yet... Ok first off Dirkzor why would you trade me a vote because you think you have a town read on me. And then say Im possible scum. For that don't even trade a vote. You should give your votes to people you are confident are town. My question for you then is what am i good town read, or suspected scum? Second off I don't suspect Dirkzor and Meatless taco in part because they both sent me votes. Is that quite simple could they still be mafia. Of course, however Occams Razor, They are probably town because their sending a town there vote. In response to Dirkzor I so far i would push a risk.nuke lynch. If chaoser does work out. | ||
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risk.nuke
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
If you're not beeing honest you can trust that I will know. Also if you try to take shortcuts I will mistake that for lying so be meticulous. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
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