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AnxiousHippo
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CatsnHats
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On January 06 2012 16:31 AnxiousHippo wrote: @CatsNHats get your head back in the game if you're town you should be more focused on killing mafia than convincing everyone you're a dead weight. Just keep trying, your last paragraph was decent, try expanding on that. Thanks for the pep-talk, the thing is though, it's the exact same thing that Probulous wrote, just in less words. Bandwagon post to make yourself look town if you ask me. On January 06 2012 11:40 Probulous wrote: Don't you dare throw in the towel! That is a shitty thing to do. Hell ask for a replacement if this is too hard for you. If you are town, fight for your life. I am pissed at AKCT for his apathy. You at least have been posting. Take a break and come back later with a case on someone. You realise if you throw in the towel and you are green you are severly handicapping the rest of us? You noticed that Hippo hasn't been contributing. Do what Gonz did and make people see your point of view. The argument against you is long and has substantial evidence. There isn't anything you can really do except be useful to town. I hate it when people do this. It is so passive aggressive and weak. Grow a spine and take the heat. If you get lynched, well better luck next time. But this, is aweful. And why would you compliment my last paragraph? Because it points the finger at you. If I didn't include you, would that make it better than "decent"? Or are you just complimenting it because you think I would let you off the hook? And then this: On January 06 2012 16:31 AnxiousHippo wrote: When? Don't think we've forgotten. Really? After everyone else has already agreed that he needs to respond and has been pressured, you jump on the bandwagon and offer this filler BS? You're going to have to do better than that. You also say that Xeris doesn't look scummy because we have nothing to go on, but his posts are more questionable than Gretorp, a player you are bandwagon pressuring. Are you just trying to protect Xeris, a scum friend? 9 (excluding me) people left. 3 are mafia. AnxiousHippo, Blurry, Gretorp, and Xeris have all drawn suspicion for either lurking, contradicting themselves, shady behavior, etc. Do I think the whole mafia is in these 4? NO. Do I think at least one, maybe of them is? Yes. In light of recent events, AnxiousHippo has done the most to damn himself in my eyes, but we're kinda stuck on Gretorp and Xeris until they answer or get modkilled. That leaves Blurry, I'll analyze his filter and post later. Who's ProfBA? I thought you all were mistyping Prob but you kept saying it so I'm confused. @Sheth This is the definition of OMGUS from the TL Newbie Thread Cookie linked: "OMGUS: Oh my God! You suck! Voting for someone just because they are voting for you" Is this better guys? I'm really trying here. | ||
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GreYMisT
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Probulous
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Well, if nothing else it means you played one hell of a game. Taken out first night, you must have been doing something right. Going to have a read through your filter again to check your reads. Cheers bro  | ||
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Probulous
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Hippo you still haven't posted anything of contribution, but I hope that your analysis is good. I would much rather a full blown case than three lines parroting someone. Cats, your poor bastard  You're caught and you still copy other's arguments. You're looking for a way to contribute which is good, but is both a town and scum perogative, so it's a null tell really. If you want to save your skin, answer my question at the top of this post. Blurry you may have fallen off the face of the earth but if you don't show up soon I swear you will be falling with a rope around your neck. Christ out of 10 players we have four lurkers  If they don't start posting, we're fucked. As for my contribution, I will post my top scum pick in the next 24 hrs or so which should give people plenty of time of analyse my case. I was sorely disappointed with the response my cases received last time, this time I want criticism. | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
On January 07 2012 16:40 Probulous wrote: To the rest of the town, please can I have your thoughts on Sheth and Cephiro? I am re-reading the thread over and over again and re-evaluating my positions on people. Hippo you still haven't posted anything of contribution, but I hope that your analysis is good. I would much rather a full blown case than three lines parroting someone. Cats, your poor bastard You're caught and you still copy other's arguments. You're looking for a way to contribute which is good, but is both a town and scum perogative, so it's a null tell really. If you want to save your skin, answer my question at the top of this post. Blurry you may have fallen off the face of the earth but if you don't show up soon I swear you will be falling with a rope around your neck. Christ out of 10 players we have four lurkers If they don't start posting, we're fucked. As for my contribution, I will post my top scum pick in the next 24 hrs or so which should give people plenty of time of analyse my case. I was sorely disappointed with the response my cases received last time, this time I want criticism. I think that's because you're were the first. I assume you play devil's advocate yourself, but post you're analysis. Are you leaning away from cephiro? I think Sheth is acting pretty scummy ATM, and I agree with the same concerns you have with Cats. @Sheth: If we have a DT, and he found someone, would you think it's a good idea or a bad idea to reveal? | ||
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Cephiro
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Just to clarify: This is not meant to be wishy-washy or filler, but to give you guys the legit reason why I haven't (and won't be able to post) until later. Wish me luck! (For the competition  )And when I'm back... scums beware. Even if I would have to defend myself against a thousand accusations before nailing you against the wall, I will. | ||
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CatsnHats
United States199 Posts
On January 07 2012 16:40 Probulous wrote: To the rest of the town, please can I have your thoughts on Sheth and Cephiro? I am re-reading the thread over and over again and re-evaluating my positions on people. Hippo you still haven't posted anything of contribution, but I hope that your analysis is good. I would much rather a full blown case than three lines parroting someone. Cats, your poor bastard You're caught and you still copy other's arguments. You're looking for a way to contribute which is good, but is both a town and scum perogative, so it's a null tell really. If you want to save your skin, answer my question at the top of this post. Blurry you may have fallen off the face of the earth but if you don't show up soon I swear you will be falling with a rope around your neck. Christ out of 10 players we have four lurkers If they don't start posting, we're fucked. As for my contribution, I will post my top scum pick in the next 24 hrs or so which should give people plenty of time of analyse my case. I was sorely disappointed with the response my cases received last time, this time I want criticism. How is that copying others' arguments? No one else has quoted those parts of AnxiousHippo's post that I did. Others are suspicious of him, yeah. But no one used what I did as part of an argument. Do I have to pick a random person no one's talking about to be taken seriously? | ||
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CatsnHats
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On January 07 2012 10:30 AnxiousHippo wrote: I'm working on the bandwagon analysis And AH, whose bandwagon analysis are you working on? Your own? | ||
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Blurry
Switzerland125 Posts
Probulous posted his reads on all the players in the game categorizing them by who he thought was town/neutral/mafia. While this does not make him seem any more scummy. My instinct on this is that a player who is mafia is categorized by him as being town and this cover would be useful to the mafia in some way. My other thought is that Tunkeg was pressuring someone that was mafia in a way that made him the biggest threat. He was pressuring Gonzaw and Cephiro and also did a little bit on Sheth. Since Cephiro was already cast under so much suspicion by Probulous I infer that there is a high chance that either Gonzaw or Sheth, or both are scum and am going to re-read their posts thoroughly. My initial instinct is that Sheth is the more likely candidate as he has literally posted zero analysis and has simply pressured or challenged peoples points rather than helping us weed out scum. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On January 07 2012 16:51 Jitsu wrote: I think that's because you're were the first. I assume you play devil's advocate yourself, but post you're analysis. Are you leaning away from cephiro? I think Sheth is acting pretty scummy ATM, and I agree with the same concerns you have with Cats. @Sheth: If we have a DT, and he found someone, would you think it's a good idea or a bad idea to reveal? He has already said the DT should claim near LYLO with his reads which is a terrible idea. So I guess this fits under that. I don't care if my analysis is first, people should make up their own god damn minds. I can't stand it when people just sheep others. That's why you're town in my book, you started well and have been posting your own thoughts all game. The problem I have Cephiro is this, in response to my case he came out firing. He rightly pointed out issues with Sheth's play as well as mine (something no-one had done yet). He was forceful and aggressive and has remained so since. this biggest issue I had with his early play was the lack of focus, lack of drive and aggression to pin down people. He was contradictory and waffly which are all mafia characteristics. However since then he has been much better. If I was mafia with a case like that against me, I would have pushed for AKCT to be lynched rather than trying to defend myself extensively. There was plenty of reason for lynching him (my case being only one of a few) and it would have saved his bacon. The fact that he decided to go full guns all glory redeems him somewhat in my eyes. If nothing else he is being a useful townie now (well when he isn't travelling ). So yes my view has changed. Despite how fierce my cases appeared I am capable of changing my mind when someone changes their play. The only issue I had post his defense was his vote reason (a placeholder vote). He could have voted for one of his scum-reads but he chose to follow the crowd. This keeps him on my watch list. As for Sheth, I am almost certain he is scum. I have read and re-read the thread over and over and there are some things I cannot reconcile. His insistent early support for Xeris over Gretorp being the first that springs to mind. I am putting together my case on him but want people to take a good look and tell me why he isn't mafia. Full case coming soonish! | ||
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Probulous
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On January 07 2012 12:59 CatsnHats wrote: In regard to my martyr post, I'll admit that I felt pretty defeated when I was writing it, but then I realized that I could use your reactions as fodder for evidence and as a way of generating discussion, so I lurked and waited. I was pretty disappointed for the most part, a lot of "Don't give up for the town's sake" responses that came from the players with really town-y reads already (Prob, Gonzaw, Tunkeg), and this was meant to find scum, not confirm town. But then AnxiousHippo posted thank goodness, something I could make a read on. Thanks for the pep-talk, the thing is though, it's the exact same thing that Probulous wrote, just in less words. Bandwagon post to make yourself look town if you ask me. And why would you compliment my last paragraph? Because it points the finger at you. If I didn't include you, would that make it better than "decent"? Or are you just complimenting it because you think I would let you off the hook? And then this: Really? After everyone else has already agreed that he needs to respond and has been pressured, you jump on the bandwagon and offer this filler BS? You're going to have to do better than that. You also say that Xeris doesn't look scummy because we have nothing to go on, but his posts are more questionable than Gretorp, a player you are bandwagon pressuring. Are you just trying to protect Xeris, a scum friend? 9 (excluding me) people left. 3 are mafia. AnxiousHippo, Blurry, Gretorp, and Xeris have all drawn suspicion for either lurking, contradicting themselves, shady behavior, etc. Do I think the whole mafia is in these 4? NO. Do I think at least one, maybe of them is? Yes. In light of recent events, AnxiousHippo has done the most to damn himself in my eyes, but we're kinda stuck on Gretorp and Xeris until they answer or get modkilled. That leaves Blurry, I'll analyze his filter and post later. Who's ProfBA? I thought you all were mistyping Prob but you kept saying it so I'm confused. @Sheth This is the definition of OMGUS from the TL Newbie Thread Cookie linked: "OMGUS: Oh my God! You suck! Voting for someone just because they are voting for you" Is this better guys? I'm really trying here. Contrary to what you may believe when I say something is decent, I mean it is decent. I was complimenting you and the fact that for the first time in living memory you actually provided something. Geez man, way to take a compliment! I could care less if you are suspicious of me but this bit was hilarious. | ||
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Probulous
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![[image loading]](http://img.gomtv.net/imgdata/31266.jpg) Before I lynch you i would like to apologise if you don’t like me using the photo. I will remove it if you give yourself up easily. The Baby-Faced Killer First things first, I am sorry guys I failed you yesterday. I put together my cases and was part of the lynching of the innocent CookierMaker who was also proficient in the art of tea-making. I was wrong. Worse still I had a null read on Sheth. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice ... Not likely  Here is Sheth's filter. I will be posting most quotes old school otherwise this will be too long. So here we go. My initial suspicion of Sheth was raised when he let Cats off the hook for a shitty reason linky. He is the first to identify a particular person for scummy play but immediately backs off? If you thought Cats was posted badly then puts the pressure on him to stop. By undermining his own stance with " I'm picking on you for no real reason" Sheth provides an escape for Cats. My belief it was in the hope that no-one really noticed and would drop the subject. This is my response to Cats and you can the difference in tone. I want him to actually change and I stand by my position. Unfortunately no-else noted this at this point in time. Luckily for town Sheth had promised a revelation in the morning. Well this is the revelation (Linky for context). Here is the meat of it On January 05 2012 03:58 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Ahhh yea. Gretorp getting busy. I like it. Were going to get some scum. Ok, well, I'm going to analyse some games for a bit, as I have to work. However before I go, I geuss I'll point out one thing. Fluff Everyone seems to be accusing everyone. It doesn't help, because we know its just one persons pressure and honestly we assume its fake pressure, because after all its day1 and we don't have any great reads. So, instead of this I recomend we get behind one person and see if they can tell us why they ARE NOT mafia. Here we have something that looks fine at first glance but upon rereading makes no sense. As town, you want people to participate, you want information, any information. Pressure is what produces responses and responses produce things to find scum with. If you aren't pressuring everyone who are you pressuring and how can you be sure they are mafia? Choosing one person to focus on means you give mafia (at this stage) and 10/12 chance of not-being lynched. Who chooses who is the person to face the pressure anyway? No this gives mafia too much space to hide and is a really scummy post. This is clearly mafia motivated. You assume we won't have any reads on day 1, implying we shouldn't bother. How can anyone prove they are not mafia on day 1? By being proactive and providing new information.Focusing on one person gives mafia an easy excuse to sheep. I was planning on leaning on Cephiro, for his post here : It comes down to a wall of text that tell us nothing. It just makes it look like hes contributing a lot when in fact he hasn't come up with a new opinion and his others posts are very non-committal. Just like wishy washy, things, and I thought it was just weird. Firstly note the use of the word "leaning". He states before his case that it is weak and only meant as faint pressure. This undermines his point before he even starts. Sheth points out an obviously bad post (one which i had been arguing with Ceph about all day 1). Ceph had already acknowledged the stats meant nothing so there isn't any point in regurgitating the argument now. But even if Sheth thought it was scummy, he doesn't say so. No it's weird. Casting doubt without actually calling him out. However this morning you posted Which has some negatives and actually contribues some, so I'll back off for now. Kinda ironic that you wanted me to post my read today and my read was on you. Apparently this means that Sheth doesn't need to "lean" on Cephiro anymore. That terrible analysis which has some negatives (we never hear what they are) is enough for Sheth to back off. Essentially you undermine your case which is a repeat of our discussions from day 1 and then dismiss it because he posted his analysis which you say has negatives but won't tell us what they are. Talk about wishy-washy. Again, this is casting suspicion without making it clear. A mafia would not want to call out someone who could defend themselves well. Much better to push a weak case and hope it catches fire. Given my DAy 1 read it is a tad ironic that Cephiro was the first to pick this up (linky) but he deserves credit for it. Tunk (bless his townie soul) picked up Sheth's terrible reasoning for focusing on a single player (linky). Jitsu pointed out that Sheth was hyping his possible analysis but then failed to deliver (linky). So far that is three people (based on my current reads) that are either green or looking greeny, that have noted Sheth's scummy play. At this stage the only people he has targeted have been Cats and Cephiro both of which he has let off the hook. He was not suspicious of Cephiro at this point He did not post anything after backing down on his "case" against Cephiro and yet as soon as he comes back to thread and has read my analysis this is his post in full On January 05 2012 12:18 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Yea, thats same for me Andre. Ok, heres what I've got. I didn't actually take the time to read through Cephiro's List completely. I simply saw that a few things on it were pointing out scum and he was worried about me in perticular. Those were things I wanted to see and saw them. However after re-reading them I realize that they don't pressure anyone. Hes being so completely passive and neutral. This is a trick that scum use generally. They don't want to commit to anything because they think that as long as there not stand outish in one way or another they won't get lynched. They live for that center world where they don't contribute much, but seem to. Even fairly recently : Its just so bad. He is just following "people providing good reasoning". This may seem like something we should all be doing, and it is. However on night one, if you are going to follow it, you follow it through. Because of this and because my first worry was about Cephiro I'm definetly liking Probulous. I say we lynch Cephiro. Note how he twists Cephiro's words here. He says he changed his opinion partly due to other people's good reasoning. Sheth turns that into following people blindly. There is nothing wrong with following good reasoning. You should, that is logical, much better than following bad reasoning. But Sheth makes it look like Ceph is just sheeping. The benefits for this are great. We can completely tell about Probulous being town or not (which actually isn't too great, as that means he will probably die, Medic shoould definetly include him in WIFOM if there is a medic though!). And hopefully me as well, as I think hes a good lynch. However if hes town we'll also have a good read on a few other people who are sticking out to him. Perhaps lynching Cephiro will just be who the mafia buss. However I think that its a percentage game. And right now, Cephiro is definetly my highest scum read, ##Vote: Cephiro @CatsNHats -You seem oh so scummy. Whats your take on lynching Cephiro? Would you be willing to join in on this little train we're starting? Anyone else willing to hop on board, don't forget to pack a vote. Here we have his subtle linkage on Cephiro's possible flip and my alignment. Note the word use " We can completely tell about Probulous being town or not". By Sheth's thinking if Ceph was town I had to be mafia. This would be really beneficial to Sheth because he knows Ceph is town, which means he can hopefully get me lynched when Ceph flips green. Hell no you can't. Unfortunately this distracted me and I have "words" with Sheth. Note how he immediately assumes I might die night one. Well I didn't, Tunk did. One of the few that called him out on his back-pedalling. But then the best bit, Cephiro goes from being Sheth's second read to nothing to highest scum read based on MY analysis. Note he has added nothing here except a weird twisting of Ceph's words to make a point that doesn't make sense. To me this reads like someone desperate to look like they had Ceph as their target all along. Sheth never says that his reasoning is based on my case, in fact he never mentions what his reasoning is. At this point Sheth and I wonder off into diversion land about whether Ceph's flip says anything about my alignment. There isn't much there except in this post Sheth makes a big boo-boo. Honestly all this talk is probably pointless as lynching mafia first round is pretty low. However I really like our reads on Cephiro and I'm pretty hopeful. Xeris / Gretorp whats your thoughts on this when your done doing stuff at work? Xeris is a REALLY pro-town read for me now. Andre I want you to be too, but your first post was bad. Give me your analysis and I hope I like it!!! Read that first sentence again. Way to pump the team Mr Sheth. At this point, we may be against the odds but not heavily so. Unless of course you are Mafia in which case you know we won't be lynching red. He follows this gem with Xeris being REALLY pro-town. Xeris had been seriously absent and then appeared with random comments about RNG and basically trashed all analysis done to date. He had (has) done nothing for this town and hasn't even hinted at being suspicious of someone. There is nothing pro-town about his play but Sheth is quick to defend him. OK, you're mates I get it, but why Xeris over Gretorp. At least Gretorp pointed out Cephiro waffling, that was a damn site more than xeris but no Xeris is REALLY pro-town. I don't like lynching lurkers but when Sheth flips red I bet Xeris will too. The next post of consequence from Sheth is this beauty. Where he claims allegiance to Xeris because he played real life games with him. quote]Well, the Xeris thing is based completely on the fact that I know him really well IRL and we've played mafia a bunch before. He is really bad mafia. Like he'd be lurking and mod killed if he was mafia. And his posts about why he doesn't want to lynch someone this day are what I initially thought too when I went from IRL games to forum posts. So just the fact that he is usually terrible as mafia and whenever hes used that excuse in the past hes always been town + hes playing just how I imagine a townie Xeris playing gives me a good read. Hes one of the only two I know IRL, so its easier for me to get a read on him then the rest of you.[/quote] This is Sheth's third game, he knows this is different. He even uses that as a reason for Xeris bad play when he says "And his posts about why he doesn't want to lynch someone this day are what I initially thought too when I went from IRL games to forum posts". But then he ends up saying he will have a good read because he has played with them offline? No the reason Sheth has a good read is because Sheth is scum. There is nothing in his reasoning that suggest Xeris should be given special treatment but in Sheth's mind he deserves it for being REALLY townie. After all this he decides to discuss outing the DT (if we have one) I thought by this stage we had made it clear that discussing blues only gives mafia an opportunity to work out if there is a power role. Worse Sheth suggests the DT claim! That is terrible as this would almost certainly draw a counterclaim from scum and put town in a WIFOM situation where both end up getting lynched/killed. It is a trade of a DT for a mafia, which he supports! No way, DT can find mafia on his own then post his reads just like the rest of us. It is 1 am and I need some sleep so I will this last bit quick. The vote and nightkill. Sheth suggested I change my vote to AKCT because Cephiro was not going to get lynched. I was the fourth person to place my vote down at 08:15 (my time) by 08:26 the required seven had been reached by Sheth hammering it home. Those three votes were Cephiro, Cats and Sheth. There was no resistance to this lynch once I had placed my vote which means that people were sheeping. I had a strong case on Cookie from the start, but Sheth he went back and forth on Cookie. Only when the deal was sealed did he push really hard. Finally the nightkill, here are Sheth's responses to AKCT questions 2) If you were a Doc (could save someone from a nightkill), who would you save and why? I would save one of Probulous, Myself, Gonzaw and Tunkeg. Note I am first and and Tunk is dead. Sheth knows I have been of value and would probably be a good medic save, hence he puts me first. But he puts Tunk last, he wanted the medic (again if we have one) to save me so Tunk could get shivved. I am done guys, I was wrong yesterday but I am not wrong today. Sheth it seems you rolled red again, time for you to swing. ##vote Liquid'Sheth | ||
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CatsnHats
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On January 07 2012 06:20 Jitsu wrote: That doesn't fly with me. Let me explain why. Nice first post. You jump on CatsnHats for doing scummy things. Perfect, exactly what I would like to see from a first post from someone. You get him, jump right up there and pressure that little weasel... ...wait, what the shit is this? You start pressuring someone, than let off because you think he's new. Why does being new matter? So he can't be responsible for his own actions? Why are you letting him off the hook so easily without even squeezing him a little bit? This was the post right after you vote Cephiro. After Probu posts his analysis, you step right on that train, right away. The only form of suspicion you threw on Cephiro was more wobbly than a Jenga tower. Than as soon as someone else votes for him, you vote for him. You even say that you saw some things that looked like he was scummy, but you let him off the hook too. Weird. You are the IdrA of Mafia? Ok. So why did you stop putting all forms of pressure on Cats so early? + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2012 23:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote: @Probulous my 3 scummiest right now are probably Cookie ( A K C T ) / Cephiro and / Maybe blurry... he hasn't posted much and I'm not convinced CatsNhats isn't just completely new to the game. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt while we have better people to pressure. 1) If you were a Cop (could determine the alignment of somebody during the night), who's alignment would you check and why? NOT Probulous, as I'd be worried he was going to die at night, I'd determine someone such as Gonzaw or Tunkeg. 2) If you were a Doc (could save someone from a nightkill), who would you save and why? I would save one of Probulous, Myself, Gonzaw and Tunkeg. 3) If you were a Vigilante (town-aligned nightkill) who would you kill and why? Probably no one, if I was forced to kill someone (Town CK) I'd probably kill A K C T (Cookie Maker) or Cephiro, depending on who we lynch. 4) If you were a Town-Aligned Roleblocker (could prevent someone from using their night action for a night) who would you block, and why? (Also, remember, an RB can act as a soft-cop. If you block someone and there's no nightkill, you may have blocked the mafia's kill! (Yes i know there's no Vig or RB in this setup.)) I'd probably RB either Cephiro or Cookie, depending on who we lynch. 5) If you have a vote on someone currently, please explain your vote. I have a vote on Cephiro. Its explained in two posts that I posted earlier + Prob's analysis. 6) If you don't have a vote on somebody, please park your vote on someone. Have an opinion. It doesn't matter if you're wrong. Abstainance lets scum hide amongst you! Now you're opinion went from Cats being scummy, to him being new? Than AKCT goes up for lynching, and you jump to that one with new real analysis posting. At that point, it was a bandwagon lynch, but what was YOU'RE Reasoning? RE: Hippo - I just realized how you worded this. You say that you will go over everything tomorrow morning and change a vote if need be. What? If it's not on time, you will just not vote, or leave it on Xeris? Wow. Stellar. So you jump on this lynch train and don't even bother to explain why. Not only that, but you pretty much indicate that you are going off of what other people have discussed, and not come up with anything concrete on you're own, pretty much re-leaving all pressure from you if it's a miss-lynch. When the game first started, I felt that Sheth was acting different than Mafia, but it dawned on me that he brought it up specifically in his first post. I think I am playing extremely different this game than Election - Have I had any need to bring it up? It's my second game, and Sheth's third. I takes a little bit longer to build a meta-read on someone than just two games together. I have no reason to say it to Sheth - why would Sheth have any reason to say it to me? I can build a rep by my style of play in THIS game, not a game I played with him prior. Secondly - Catsnhats clearly had a breakdown. I still think it is the most curious part of this game. He ripped when he had only one serious vote for his lynch (if I recall), and he was being suspected of being Mafia. You came to his defense by saying that he didn't have mafia influence in typing it up. You don't even comment on it until it's brought, which is funny, because you had tagged Cats early before backing off. But to totally ignore it until I ask you about it? Come on, mannnnn. You are one of the most vocal players in this game - hell of a time to not be vocal. Jumping on two bandwagons...so on and so forth. One of the things that did catch my eye was this post as well. This is the reason I was asking you your thoughts on the matter again: On January 05 2012 14:20 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Ok, well I'm going to sleep now. I wasn't completely sure if the DT for one mafia was a good trade or not, so I brought it up to see everyone's reactions. I am leaning its probably good, if they have some other confirmed townies for sure. And this will all changed when we learn whether someone was RB'ed during night. (Then it means we have a medic who can save you if you come out). I want to hear more on that, and our cases from our lurkers. Look forward to reading your post when I wake up Andre. Keep posting Duran! And probulous we can agree on some things I'm sure :D! You see, as town, transparency is key. We all need to come up with reasons, logical analysis and opinions backed by our personal thoughts - AND WHY. That post seems like you have a totally different agenda to me, almost like you're forcing the connotation that it's coming from a town perspective. Coming from a town point of view, I don't want the DT to reveal. The longer and later he stays hidden and alive, the more powerful he becomes. Re-reading it, it's almost like you are trying to bait the Detective to reveal if he finds one mafia. Probu got to it before you did, but I think it would have been more interesting if you contradicted yourself and said that the DT should stay hidden. Any other townies want to play Devil's Advocate? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 07 2012 17:19 Blurry wrote: I've been trying to figure out why someone would target Tunkeg rather than someone like Probulous (posted the most analysis and was one of the most assertive players thus far). I think this could potentially tell us certain things. Probulous posted his reads on all the players in the game categorizing them by who he thought was town/neutral/mafia. While this does not make him seem any more scummy. My instinct on this is that a player who is mafia is categorized by him as being town and this cover would be useful to the mafia in some way. My other thought is that Tunkeg was pressuring someone that was mafia in a way that made him the biggest threat. He was pressuring Gonzaw and Cephiro and also did a little bit on Sheth. Since Cephiro was already cast under so much suspicion by Probulous I infer that there is a high chance that either Gonzaw or Sheth, or both are scum and am going to re-read their posts thoroughly. My initial instinct is that Sheth is the more likely candidate as he has literally posted zero analysis and has simply pressured or challenged peoples points rather than helping us weed out scum. This is the biggest pile of WIFOM I've ever seen in my life. You still haven't responded to me, so as soon as you finish "re-reading their posts thoroughly", please post your findings AND respond to my post. I'll wait to see Sheth's response and how he reacts to make my read, although Prob's case makes sense. On January 07 2012 16:40 Probulous wrote: To the rest of the town, please can I have your thoughts on Sheth and Cephiro? I am re-reading the thread over and over again and re-evaluating my positions on people. Null read on Sheth (until now at least), and Town read on Cephiro. Also people, what do we do regarding Xeris/Gretorp? Just wait? | ||
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CatsnHats
United States199 Posts
On January 08 2012 05:46 gonzaw wrote: Also people, what do we do regarding Xeris/Gretorp? Just wait? It's all we can do right now. It's been at least 48 hours since either of them has posted. Their inactivity is such a handicap for us because we've made all the reads we can until they respond, which leaves the rest of us to point the finger at each other just because we're (Sheth, Gonz, Prob, Jitsu, Myself, Tunk until he was killed) the only ones that are talking. They're either mafia, shitty/scummy town players, or don't play on playing this game at all. At this point I'm kinda expecting them to be mod-killed. | ||
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