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On January 07 2012 09:09 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I haven't read his defense yet at all, I plan on making a big post on him after the night phase is over talking about the defense and such. Hopefully you don't mind waiting until morning.
You seem pretty certain on surviving the night. You know something we don't?
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Guys, please just drop it.
We haven't heard anything from Hippo, Blurry, Cats (obviously), Cephiro, Xeris or Gretorp. Where are you guys?
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On January 07 2012 09:05 Probulous wrote: Jitsu, Tunk, enough with the back and forth. It should be pretty clear you are both town to anyone paying attention. Don't waste your time arguing over a single badly worded post.
You both voted for AKCT before anyone else, that should be enough to ensure that you both did not jump on the wagon. You started it. Save your analysis for people who are possibly scum. This is just spamming the thread and making it difficult to spot other people's posts.
I'm not back and forth'ing with Tunk. XD
RE: Sheth -
What kind of question is that? I post an analysis, than I vote for him, and than you ask me if I think he should be lynched?
On January 06 2012 10:02 CatsnHats wrote:@Ceph Jumping on the CatsnHats bandwagon I see. It seems like you trying to get people to spare you on D2 by shifting attention to me. You quoted me as saying "Even with recent read on Ceph, which I agree with." as evidence that I flip-flopped when I later included him on my scum reads. But you didn't quote the whole post. I said: Show nested quote + RE: CookieMaker
Even with recent read on Ceph, which I agree with. I cannot let you off the hook yet for shady opening play. The poem, Odin/Thor references, fluff posts, "jabbing and dodging" who you accused of jabbing and dodging, etc. All of this leans towards scum I think. I've never flipped on CM, you just didn't include this to make your case. It seems alot of people have a habit of doing that. And no, you didn't fall off of my list, if you actually read Jitsu's post you aren't mentioned on it, so I didn't include you. Don't worry you're still on it. You're actually at the top of it for D2. That's not OMGUS, it's just that you are top two with CM/Tea and once he's gone you're logically next on the list. My flip from Gretorp to you was to kill the greater of two evils a the moment, since Gretorp's inactivity had left him as a harder read when compared to you. And then I switched my vote from you to Tea because it seemed we were going to be deadlocked, and killing #2 on my list and letting #1 go is much better than letting both #1 and #2 go.
Does that look like a newbie post to you?
If I was being accused of Mafia, I would prove my innocence by finding scum. Not by trying the town to lynch myself.
In other words, having the town waste another day to lynch me if I was town is anti-town in and of itself. I think he's banking on the fact that he's trying to pull at our oh-so-tender heartstrings.
Thoughts?
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On January 07 2012 09:11 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 08:05 Tunkeg wrote:OK, either my english sucks or your english sucks, or both of our english sucks. Or maybe you are just a nitpicker, who want to bicker about every little detail. Fine, whatever. Ofc it is my "fault" for not paying attention to you, but you were just posting so much uninteresting, but not scummy, stuff that I didn't take interest in you. I don't get what "you" are bickering about here. You posted that you didn't pay attention to me until now. I posted that I agreed, and you should have in the first place. I don't get what's to "nitpick" here...? Or what this has to do with our English (..es? I don't know the plural)...? Show nested quote +But when you did your "analysis" of my post you caught my attention. Because anyone wanting to waste peoples time by doing those kind of analysis should be looked into. Okay, I really want other people to tell me if my "analysis" is "useless". I don't believe it is. I try to pick up inconsistencies and odd behaviour from anyone I can, that's how I catch scum. I picked up yours, and suddenly it's "useless". Really? So my "analysis" is bad just because I did it on you? Show nested quote +And looked into you I have. You have alot of these non-interesting and non content posts, but inbetween you have some good posts where you question and pressure people and do reads. I find it ironic that you try to call me out for what you belive is a non-content post when you have so many yourself.
I don't care what you prefer. How do you feel about that? What? Please, if you find a post from mine similar to yours in terms of fluffiness (or whatever you call it in this forum) be my guest. I try to be blunt and catch scum, not post "updates of what I feel" or whatever you did. Also, as you can see, this conversation is not helping anyone. You are stating things without backing them up (that I have "non-interesting posts" for instance, I don't get what you mean by that). You are also stating blatantly false things (that I "misunderstood you"), and you are being very apathetic and chlidish in a way (you say you will post your analysis whenever you like, and that you post whatever you like, that you don't care what I prefer, etc). This doesn't mean that you are scum, but it means that you are being unnecessary helpless and obtuse. Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 08:08 Tunkeg wrote: @gonz
BTW post you own damn analysis if you feel it is so important to get it done as soon as possible. If that is your stand, do that. And make a good analysis, not just these bad ones, like the one you did for my post. I already posted my analysis, go reread the thread.
You want me to link every filler post you have made? Fine:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=6#105 - Useless
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=6#116 - Pretty much just jibber jabber
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=7#131 - Filler/useless
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=7#133 - One of many questions
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=10#183 - Nitpicking on about RNG
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=10#188- RNG again...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=13#251 - One of many edits without content
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=13#252 - WTF is the first part here? Going on about formatting? YEAH, GREAT POINT!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=14#261 - Filler/useless
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=14#266 - Filler http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=15#293 - LAst part is filler only.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=15#295 - Filler
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=17#334 - Useless
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=17#336 - Useless, keep talking about immaterial things.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=20#382 - Stating obvious stuff, as you accused me off.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=20#394 - Filler
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=21#406 - Filler
Thanks for vasting my time btw. That is one thing you are good at in this game. And for your analysis after the lynch it is just a quick one, with no real content in it:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=21#403 - Written in a very little methodical way and all you end up with is that you want to pressure three guys. WHAT A GREAT ANALYSIS MAN.
So now is the time I wil just OMGUS you. I am not saying you are scum, I will just say I think you are bad. And until either you make a real case on me, or I feel the urge to make a case on you I will just ignore you, because you are just one big distraction (well, unless you make more really stupid post involving me that I need to correct).
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For the rest of you, did you in any way think that gonz analysis of my post after lynch was any good? Did the discussion between me and him bring anything usefull to the table?
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On January 07 2012 09:24 Probulous wrote: Guys, please just drop it.
We haven't heard anything from Hippo, Blurry, Cats (obviously), Cephiro, Xeris or Gretorp. Where are you guys?
Well, I will drop my discussion with gonz because it is pretty damn useless. But before I leave it can you give me your input on the "analyses" he did on my post, and the discussion that followed.
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On January 07 2012 09:22 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 09:09 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I haven't read his defense yet at all, I plan on making a big post on him after the night phase is over talking about the defense and such. Hopefully you don't mind waiting until morning. You seem pretty certain on surviving the night. You know something we don't?
Night ends soon and I don't have time now. Ends in 22 minutes. I'm still working atm and when I'm done I'm going to go to sleep. I want it to be perfect and make sense completely. I'm upset we didn't lynch him last day and I think its because of sloppy posts not explaining all there is on him atm. Will also be interesting to see who died. If its me then sorry, and you already know my read on him is scum, and me dieing should give you clues too. So, as much as I'd like to give my full read on him before the end of night I'm not going to have time. You posted your entire read on me, I bet that took a while. I just don't have time to do that atm and want to do it right.
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On January 07 2012 09:37 Tunkeg wrote: For the rest of you, did you in any way think that gonz analysis of my post after lynch was any good? Did the discussion between me and him bring anything usefull to the table?
I haven't read it yet, because I think there is no point to it. You spent the majority of the night posts derping at each other over a simple miss-interpretation at best, I feel, but even then, I didn't read the whole thing because it was giving me a headache. You and Gonzaw are higher up on my town list than others, right below Probu, so there is no use arguing with each other at this point unless there is a legitimate concern that the other is scum. When you do, give it to use in a case, not in single by single jabs back and forth trying to get the better of each other.
Do either of you actually think the other is scum? I doubt it.
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I have to attempt some Uni work. I will be back in a few hours (assuming I survive the night).
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On January 07 2012 09:36 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 09:05 Probulous wrote: Jitsu, Tunk, enough with the back and forth. It should be pretty clear you are both town to anyone paying attention. Don't waste your time arguing over a single badly worded post.
You both voted for AKCT before anyone else, that should be enough to ensure that you both did not jump on the wagon. You started it. Save your analysis for people who are possibly scum. This is just spamming the thread and making it difficult to spot other people's posts. I'm not back and forth'ing with Tunk. XD RE: Sheth - What kind of question is that? I post an analysis, than I vote for him, and than you ask me if I think he should be lynched? Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 10:02 CatsnHats wrote:@Ceph Jumping on the CatsnHats bandwagon I see. It seems like you trying to get people to spare you on D2 by shifting attention to me. You quoted me as saying "Even with recent read on Ceph, which I agree with." as evidence that I flip-flopped when I later included him on my scum reads. But you didn't quote the whole post. I said: RE: CookieMaker
Even with recent read on Ceph, which I agree with. I cannot let you off the hook yet for shady opening play. The poem, Odin/Thor references, fluff posts, "jabbing and dodging" who you accused of jabbing and dodging, etc. All of this leans towards scum I think. I've never flipped on CM, you just didn't include this to make your case. It seems alot of people have a habit of doing that. And no, you didn't fall off of my list, if you actually read Jitsu's post you aren't mentioned on it, so I didn't include you. Don't worry you're still on it. You're actually at the top of it for D2. That's not OMGUS, it's just that you are top two with CM/Tea and once he's gone you're logically next on the list. My flip from Gretorp to you was to kill the greater of two evils a the moment, since Gretorp's inactivity had left him as a harder read when compared to you. And then I switched my vote from you to Tea because it seemed we were going to be deadlocked, and killing #2 on my list and letting #1 go is much better than letting both #1 and #2 go. Does that look like a newbie post to you? If I was being accused of Mafia, I would prove my innocence by finding scum. Not by trying the town to lynch myself. In other words, having the town waste another day to lynch me if I was town is anti-town in and of itself. I think he's banking on the fact that he's trying to pull at our oh-so-tender heartstrings. Thoughts?
Didn't notice you voted on him. Didn't realize you could vote on someone during night phase...
And yes that post was really well done. Thats ONE post of his. (What is OMGUS?) Do the rest look like veteran posts to you? Like his gambit of trying to get himself lynched is stupid. When ProfBA did it, it was stupid too. ProfBA was a veteran though, he had a lot of good posts, he even got elected as something. In what crazy world would we elect this Catsnhats? I don't see him coming up with the same thing as ProfBA... And ProfBA isn't a coach for this. However I don't think it means hes not mafia, I just don't think hes our best read. Give him the rest of this day and I might agree that hes surely mafia, but can you at least agree to give him that time? IdrA is actually a lot nicer then people give him credit for. :[
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@Jitsu that was my thoughts exactly on those two as well. However you need to go over and read it or re-read it, as do I. Thats the sort of thing that could hide scum too. Just making a filter too long and too full of confusing randomness that we don't want to look at it.
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On January 07 2012 09:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 09:36 Jitsu wrote:On January 07 2012 09:05 Probulous wrote: Jitsu, Tunk, enough with the back and forth. It should be pretty clear you are both town to anyone paying attention. Don't waste your time arguing over a single badly worded post.
You both voted for AKCT before anyone else, that should be enough to ensure that you both did not jump on the wagon. You started it. Save your analysis for people who are possibly scum. This is just spamming the thread and making it difficult to spot other people's posts. I'm not back and forth'ing with Tunk. XD RE: Sheth - What kind of question is that? I post an analysis, than I vote for him, and than you ask me if I think he should be lynched? On January 06 2012 10:02 CatsnHats wrote:@Ceph Jumping on the CatsnHats bandwagon I see. It seems like you trying to get people to spare you on D2 by shifting attention to me. You quoted me as saying "Even with recent read on Ceph, which I agree with." as evidence that I flip-flopped when I later included him on my scum reads. But you didn't quote the whole post. I said: RE: CookieMaker
Even with recent read on Ceph, which I agree with. I cannot let you off the hook yet for shady opening play. The poem, Odin/Thor references, fluff posts, "jabbing and dodging" who you accused of jabbing and dodging, etc. All of this leans towards scum I think. I've never flipped on CM, you just didn't include this to make your case. It seems alot of people have a habit of doing that. And no, you didn't fall off of my list, if you actually read Jitsu's post you aren't mentioned on it, so I didn't include you. Don't worry you're still on it. You're actually at the top of it for D2. That's not OMGUS, it's just that you are top two with CM/Tea and once he's gone you're logically next on the list. My flip from Gretorp to you was to kill the greater of two evils a the moment, since Gretorp's inactivity had left him as a harder read when compared to you. And then I switched my vote from you to Tea because it seemed we were going to be deadlocked, and killing #2 on my list and letting #1 go is much better than letting both #1 and #2 go. Does that look like a newbie post to you? If I was being accused of Mafia, I would prove my innocence by finding scum. Not by trying the town to lynch myself. In other words, having the town waste another day to lynch me if I was town is anti-town in and of itself. I think he's banking on the fact that he's trying to pull at our oh-so-tender heartstrings. Thoughts? Didn't notice you voted on him. Didn't realize you could vote on someone during night phase... And yes that post was really well done. Thats ONE post of his. ( What is OMGUS?) Do the rest look like veteran posts to you? Like his gambit of trying to get himself lynched is stupid. When ProfBA did it, it was stupid too. ProfBA was a veteran though, he had a lot of good posts, he even got elected as something. In what crazy world would we elect this Catsnhats? I don't see him coming up with the same thing as ProfBA... And ProfBA isn't a coach for this. However I don't think it means hes not mafia, I just don't think hes our best read. Give him the rest of this day and I might agree that hes surely mafia, but can you at least agree to give him that time? IdrA is actually a lot nicer then people give him credit for. :[
Are you asking what OMGUS is?
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On January 07 2012 09:50 Liquid`Sheth wrote: @Jitsu that was my thoughts exactly on those two as well. However you need to go over and read it or re-read it, as do I. Thats the sort of thing that could hide scum too. Just making a filter too long and too full of confusing randomness that we don't want to look at it.
I will eventually. I just had too much going through my mind to read it in different sections.
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On January 07 2012 09:54 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Yes
OMGUS= Oh my god you suck
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Right, so telling people I'm back from the gym or going to eat dinner is total fluff regurgitating what other people say?
Also, apparently you didn't understand what my request was. I didn't ask you to point out every "filler" post of mine, I asked you to point out every "fluffy" one.
Also I'd disagree with you on the usefulness of some of the statements you point out.
Thanks for vasting my time btw. That is one thing you are good at in this game. And for your analysis after the lynch it is just a quick one, with no real content in it:
You are wasting your own time.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=21#403 - Written in a very little methodical way and all you end up with is that you want to pressure three guys. WHAT A GREAT ANALYSIS MAN.
*sigh* Did you read it at least?
My conclusion is that Blurry's reasons for voting Cookie are shit, because he regurgitated what other people said. My conclusion was that Blurry apologizing himself is odd, and makes him look like a "helpless town", and I don't like that.
If you have read carefully, my only conclusion wasn't to pressure the three guys.
So now is the time I wil just OMGUS you. I am not saying you are scum, I will just say I think you are bad. And until either you make a real case on me, or I feel the urge to make a case on you I will just ignore you, because you are just one big distraction (well, unless you make more really stupid post involving me that I need to correct).
Right, I'm a big distraction.
Not the guy who instead of responding to pressure in a straightforward way, goes around making unfounded or false statements and playing like a big child.
Also, this is indeed not going fucking anywhere, I don't know why I even bothered in the first place, so I'll just stop for now.
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Day 2
Tunkeg couldn't sleep. He had left the day meeting feeling anxious, although... Maybe he was just being paranoid. No... He had definitely seen the car. He first noticed it as it was backing out, just as he turned the ignition. The harmless coincidence wouldn't raise an eyebrow to most people. But Tunkeg wasn't most people, he was dangerously paranoid. A black Volvo v70 he concluded as he gave it a watchful glance through the rear mirror. As the car turned in his direction he could see the license plate. SRW-802 he quietly told himself as it tailed him over St. Nazguls bridge. Instead of following his regular route east after the bridge Tunkeg turned north always keeping a close look at the black Volvo. He wasn't being paranoid he was being carefull he told himself, it were dangerous times after all. As the two cars approached a traffic light Tunkeg slowed down making sure he would time it perfectly. As the light turned yellow he stepped on the gas. The engine gave of a roar as he burst over the crossing, The sound soothed him as he steadily increased the distance between him and the other car. No matter what it was that would be the end of it he told himself as he were figuring out his new route.
But then he had seen the car again. He had just parked and taken a step up on footway when the black Volvo burnt past him. He recognized it immediately and froze, following it with his eyes as it skidded around the corner.
Later Tunkeg was lying on his back on the ragged sofa of his appartment, unable to ease his worries. He reached for the pack of ciggaretes lying on the table. Empty. He let of a silent sigh and slowly rose up. There was another pack in his jacket he knew and started making his way across the floor. 'Nice move back there', acknowledged a voice behind him. Tunkeg jumped! As he spun around he could distinguish the silhuette of a man over by the drapes. A slight movement drew Tunkeg's eyes to the object in the usurpers hand. He was holding a gun! 'I was going to wait for you to fall asleep' the man spoke and began attaching a silencer. Tunkeg thought he recognized the man, that voice. He had been at the meeting! 'But I didn't knew you were a nite owl' the man continued as he raised his hand and fired twice.
Tunkeg the Townie got shot twice in the pump.
It is day2! With 10 players alive it takes 6 to lynch! The day ends on Monday, Jan 09 2:00am CET (GMT+01:00)
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Well, shit,...at least that discussion won't go on any longer...
Although I'd like his response to it, maybe on Post-Game (via PM if he wants to)
And I'm still waiting for a response from Blurry.
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