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Ok guys. I don't really want to do this, but I'm going to since it really is the best for the town. I think all of you should vote to lynch me on D2. I've come to realize that I am a terrible player of this game, especially as a townie (with no role I might add!). I should have found the newbie forum or got a better idea of this game before i signed up to play it. My first few posts I made before I realized the psychological and analytical implications of this game handicapped me and I've been playing the defensive ever since. After the bad start I put myself in, my goal was to make it past D1, which I did, so I'm fine with getting lynched if it's agreeable amongst everyone (I'm sure the scum will agree). All I have really done is distract you all from the real the scum with my terrible play, and that's not fair to the town. I also admit, I haven't added much in the way of original analysis because I was afraid that it would put me in even more hot water. The obviously wasn't the right play. Maybe you all can get D2 sped up if the mods allow it so anymore scumhunting time isn't wasted.
This probably isn't the correct time to do it since it's N1, but for the record.
##Vote: CatsnHats
For the record: in light of CM/Tea turning up green, I think it takes some heat of you Ceph. You (and the rest of the town) should spend your time looking into Xeris and Gretorp (because of questionable/contradictory posting when not lurking) and pressuring AnxiousHippo, a player who has gone unnoticed to others because of all of the accusations going around. He's made filler posts, keeps making excuses for not reading through everything, and throws out a placeholder vote for Xeris and a very bandwagon vote for CookieMaker/Tea. Quoted below:
On January 06 2012 08:36 AnxiousHippo wrote:
I haven't been able to go through everything as well as I hoped but we need a lynch. There was a lot of discussion on Cephiro but I haven't been able to read through it thoroughly enough so I'm going for Tea
##Unvote: Xeris
##Vote: A Killer Cuppa Tea
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Don't you dare throw in the towel! That is a shitty thing to do. Hell ask for a replacement if this is too hard for you.
If you are town, fight for your life. I am pissed at AKCT for his apathy. You at least have been posting. Take a break and come back later with a case on someone. You realise if you throw in the towel and you are green you are severly handicapping the rest of us?
You noticed that Hippo hasn't been contributing. Do what Gonz did and make people see your point of view. The argument against you is long and has substantial evidence. There isn't anything you can really do except be useful to town.
I hate it when people do this. It is so passive aggressive and weak. Grow a spine and take the heat. If you get lynched, well better luck next time. But this, is aweful.
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On January 06 2012 10:40 Probulous wrote:I realised that I didn't actually answer your question  So here we go Show nested quote +What do you think about Gretorp's "joke", "promise" of analysis' and failure to state so? It is bad play. No town should promise something and then not deliver. However he did point out the waffle nature of Cephiro's posting and his unwillingness to actually say someone is scum. Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 07:36 Gretorp wrote:
cephiro, why are you trying to create outlandish narratives to make a decisive choice? You aren't' leaving much range for people to be townie. so interesting! :-) Hence until further posting arises he is null to me.
Fair enough.
Although remember that just because someone has similar views/reads to you it doesn't make him less mafia or more town.
Your analysis is pretty good. I always had him as more scummy than Gretorp. His avoidance of responsiblity and blatant trashing of any case presented is not helping. Neither is his lack of posting. He does look scummy but I still want to hear from him before making up my mind.
Well, don't we all?
Okay, there are 2 basic reasons for voting Tea (or AKCT, whatever):
1-For previous reasons of certain players
2-A bandwagon vote to avoid a no-lynch.
Players in the 1st category would include:
Me, Tunkmeg, Blurry
Players in the 2nd category would include:
CatsHats, Sheth, Prob, Jitsu, Cephiro, Hippo
*sigh*, not really much to go on on that 2nd category, almost everybody reasoned their vote for Tea to avoid the no-lynch.
However, some of the players in the 2nd one did FoS him before.
Tunkmeg was the first one to FoS him (I think), but he stated his reasons, and were actually good ones, so quoting him or discussing it any further wouldn't do us much good.
About Blurry though:
On January 05 2012 08:28 Blurry wrote:1: Cookiemaker
AnxiousHippo raised a very good point about Cookiemakers most recent post in his stating that trust has been developing amongst certain townies without providing examples. There was no reason for him to say this other than to try and fluff up his posts. Right now he seems scummy to me.
Here he just used Hippo's point to FoS him. Doesn't seem like he put too much effort in analyzing him.
On January 05 2012 15:58 Blurry wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 13:08 CookieMaker wrote:
<snip>
Finally when I stumble upon a clear winner for wishy-washy of the year award, you've already beaten me to it. Cats was going to be my big expose'.
I may be a little late on this, but this is a clear tell for me that he is scum. The "I'm not contributing because you already took my points" is simply trying to absolve yourself from having to provide any analysis. ##Vote: CookieMaker
Again he's using other people's analysis as well (Prob pointed that out Cookie's sheeping of Jitsu first)..
At least Tunkmeg came up with points of his own to FoS Cookie, Blurry seems to regurgitate things already said.
On January 06 2012 00:53 Blurry wrote:Staying on CM/Tea as I am still unsure about Cephiro.
Other than that, I'm sorry I couldn't contribute more this first day as I am still new to this and am not sure what to look for in terms of reading players but by going over players posts I am getting a good idea and I'm sure my analysis quality will steadily improve over the course of the game.
Something I don't like here, same as Xeris, Cats, etc.
DON'T.APOLOGIZE.FOR.NOTHING
Need I remind you to read Ver's Guide, were supposedely the Mider guy was obvious mafia because of his constant apologizing and undermining himself?
I already stated my opinion on this subject though (when I responded to Xeris).
One thing that strikes me looking back at all this is CM voting for CatsinHats. If CM/Tea is indeed scum then I think this provides evidence towards cats not being scum as I dont think CM would have been that meta especially with the holes in his play he has already shown. This can't be assumed however so I would still be suspicious.
I pointed out that you don't need to assume unnecessary things.
This is not actual WIFOM, but it's a false statement ragarding a WIFOM scenario, which is the same if not worse than the WIFOM itself (but yeah, we still all call it WIFOM nevertheless).
You also have a very short filter (post more), and I don't like that "I will emulate other players" attitude:
On January 05 2012 15:32 Blurry wrote:I posted in the same format as Cephiro because I'm new to this and I'm trying to pick up on how this game is played. Thus you will see me emulate some things that other players will do or how they format their analysis. This won't be the first time you will see this.
In fact, you didn't respond to me when I pointed that out either.
I don't really have a red read on him yet, since he posted way too little.
But I want him pressured next day, along Xeris and Gretorp.
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Fuck.
I think that's it for me for the night. Final thoughts.
I think that AKCT could have defended himself (a little bit).
RE: Next day lynch -
We have 72 hours now. My reads are going to focus hard on Catsnhats, at least right now. I still have this overriding feeling that he was scum, but I didn't think if anyone was convinced 30 minutes before lynch, I wouldn't have been able to change anyone's mind anyway. I urge everyone now - go back into Filter's, everyones, and organize you're data. Find you're top three people you think we should be focusing on, and WHY. Shit, I can't stress that enough. If you have no way to back you're claims up - it doesn't matter.
RE: Hippo -
I think you are playing pretty anti-town right now. Clean your shit up. If you are indeed town, contribute. I'll reiterate, you say that you weren't in the forum, and you weren't caught up, so you couldn't make a mindful judgement, but you call someone by a nickname they said that they are referred as pages prior? Please. You were following the thread the whole time. I know it. You know it.
RE: Gretorp/Xeris
Post more. You're post count is shit compared to the other players contributing. How are we supposed to root out scummy play when at least three people in the game doing even comment OR VOTE? Gretorp, you said you were be on at least once to post some analysis. Where is it? Get it together - Sheth's credibility is on the line, at least for this game it is.
RE: Xeris -
You know and have played with Sheth before.
On January 05 2012 12:57 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Well, the Xeris thing is based completely on the fact that I know him really well IRL and we've played mafia a bunch before. He is really bad mafia. Like he'd be lurking and mod killed if he was mafia.
So, since you're lurking and in danger of being mod killed, we can assume you're automatically mafia than, am I right?
RE: Probu -
Do me a favor. Go back and read over Gretorp's filter. I want you to really analyze what he's saying. You are my strongest town read at the moment. Just check over his filter and let me know. I think he's town. Want you're opinion.
Bed time.
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EBWOP:
On January 06 2012 11:32 CatsnHats wrote:Ok guys. I don't really want to do this, but I'm going to since it really is the best for the town. I think all of you should vote to lynch me on D2. I've come to realize that I am a terrible player of this game, especially as a townie (with no role I might add!). I should have found the newbie forum or got a better idea of this game before i signed up to play it. My first few posts I made before I realized the psychological and analytical implications of this game handicapped me and I've been playing the defensive ever since. After the bad start I put myself in, my goal was to make it past D1, which I did, so I'm fine with getting lynched if it's agreeable amongst everyone (I'm sure the scum will agree). All I have really done is distract you all from the real the scum with my terrible play, and that's not fair to the town. I also admit, I haven't added much in the way of original analysis because I was afraid that it would put me in even more hot water. The obviously wasn't the right play. Maybe you all can get D2 sped up if the mods allow it so anymore scumhunting time isn't wasted. This probably isn't the correct time to do it since it's N1, but for the record. ##Vote: CatsnHatsFor the record: in light of CM/Tea turning up green, I think it takes some heat of you Ceph. You (and the rest of the town) should spend your time looking into Xeris and Gretorp (because of questionable/contradictory posting when not lurking) and pressuring AnxiousHippo, a player who has gone unnoticed to others because of all of the accusations going around. He's made filler posts, keeps making excuses for not reading through everything, and throws out a placeholder vote for Xeris and a very bandwagon vote for CookieMaker/Tea. Quoted below: Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 08:36 AnxiousHippo wrote:
I haven't been able to go through everything as well as I hoped but we need a lynch. There was a lot of discussion on Cephiro but I haven't been able to read through it thoroughly enough so I'm going for Tea
##Unvote: Xeris
##Vote: A Killer Cuppa Tea
....what?
Okay, first things first: this is a GAME
Even if you say you "suck" at it and make "town" pay or something, try and get better at it.
Make it like a New Year's Resolution: I'll be good at TL mafia.
You are actually making it worse for us this way.
You will make us waste all of D2 because you want us to lynch you there.
If you are town, we will not find any scum because of it.
If you are town, and you act "scummy" and such, it would be better to misslynch you if you fight and defend yourself than lynch you just because you are a burden or something. In the first case we can get more info actually.
If you are scum, then maybe you just don't like being under so much pressure, so you acted like you "surrendered", and maybe even ask for a replacement because you are coming under too much fire.
Whatever the case (if you are town or scum)., you are not doing us any favour, and you are not doing any favours to yourself, so regain yourself goddammit!
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EBWOP:
Just in case, I'd want to make a general "tip" for all of you:
If you are responding to someone, quote the post you are answering to
This makes reading filters much easier, since you don't need to go back to the thread and see what a guy is responding to for every post of the filter.
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On January 05 2012 12:09 Gretorp wrote:
And i will be doing a huge post otnight most likely just got to get caught up since it grew a lot When? Don't think we've forgotten.
Xeris doesn't quite look scummy because we have nothing to analyse him on but he does look pretty dodgy, especially with Sheth's post in mind.
On January 05 2012 12:57 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Well, the Xeris thing is based completely on the fact that I know him really well IRL and we've played mafia a bunch before. He is really bad mafia. Like he'd be lurking and mod killed if he was mafia.
He's already been warned, in a not-newbie game it'd be a modkill.
At the moment Cephiro looks more like mafia than CatsnHats, partly because I don't know what to make of Cats' "I give up post". He was also trying to play it safe till the pressure came on.
On January 05 2012 01:23 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 01:10 Tunkeg wrote:
What is it that makes you think CookieMaker is slightly town? You have listed alot of anti-town things about him but not one pro-town thing. He had a very good start in my opinion, posting actively and talking about the different possibilities. I also like the fact that even though he is (or at least was) in favour of the no-lynch, he didn't give up on his thoughts just like that, but was sticking up for himself and why he thinks it's a good idea. I do have to admit that his last posts are quite fluffy, which is why I'm only carefully and only slightly leaning towards town on him for now. Jitsu had a few very good points about him though, which I slightly agree with. But for now I will still stick to my opinion about slightly town, until he posts more. He is on the edge of neutral and slightly town to me though. Also, I am finding myself on thinking of Jitsu as slightly town now. His last post was exactly what I wanted to see from him. On the other hand, I am still not sure about you. I think you are going slightly overboard with how much you are asking other's opinions, but not providing as much of your own. You have been suspecting quite a lot of people this early, and to what I see, there are two possibilities. Either you are mafia and trying to confuse people by trying to accuse a bit of everyone, or then you are just playing aggressive town, fishing for reactions for easier reads. I certainly hope you are the latter. But I remain neutral on you for now. He says he sees Jitsu and CM as slightly town and he's neutral on Tunkeg.
He also falls back on "being excited" twice
On January 05 2012 02:38 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 02:24 Tunkeg wrote:
@Ceph and Cats
You guys say I have been suspicious to many players allready. Well, then you missread me, I am only suspicious to CM atm. xeris and Gretorp I am not suspicious of as of yet, just saying I will vote for them if they don't step up.
In my post to Blurry I didn't say I think he is suspicious, only that he haven't contributed greatly yet.
Ceph you said you think I have made to many questions posts and to little content posts. Well, to me content is opinions and analyzis of others play, and in my opinion I have allready made more content than you, including your day one analyzis post. I will give you credit for putting it out there, and it might lead to some discussion, but I think your reads are to vague and therefor the value of it isn't the greatest.
In closing I will say that I am not suspicious of you two as of yet, so there will be no missunderstanding. I see, good of you to clarify that. After re-reading your filter a few times, I personally think that you have posted a lot of opinions, but not that much analysis. I do see your point what you're getting at, and I also do understand your opinion about my analysis post. I do have to agree with you they don't tell that much yet, but I am trying to provide others an idea of my opinions at the moment, and raising dicussion to help me clarify my reads. Might also have to do with me still being excited to get this game started.  + Show Spoiler +Hopefully they will answer your question posts seriously so we'll get more content thanks to you. I am not suscpicious of you either, but your recent answer enables me to get a better understanding of your playstyle, which I thank you for.
About your question as of Jitsu's post, it seems like he likes to concentrate his play on a few persons, which is very understandable. For me that post is making me lean to slightly-town on him, but I would like to see him take contact to more persons and his opinions about others too. If he isolates himself to only put pressure on these two it can have it's good sides, but at least I want to hear more of his thoughts before I say anything. He hasn't posted very much yet, but I still don't think he's scum. On January 05 2012 04:41 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 03:58 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Ahhh yea. Gretorp getting busy. I like it. Were going to get some scum. Ok, well, I'm going to analyse some games for a bit, as I have to work. However before I go, I geuss I'll point out one thing. Everyone seems to be accusing everyone. It doesn't help, because we know its just one persons pressure and honestly we assume its fake pressure, because after all its day1 and we don't have any great reads. So, instead of this I recomend we get behind one person and see if they can tell us why they ARE NOT mafia. I was planning on leaning on Cephiro, for his post here : + Show Spoiler +On January 04 2012 10:42 Cephiro wrote:I'll have to say CookieMaker provides a few good points to start with. Even though none of us knows the exact set up, I would have to argue that we as town have a much better starting point. Considering the case that the mafia would have a role blocker, it will most likely be less useful until later game when people are starting to have better reads on each other. If the town has both the medic and detective, it is quite likely that they will be able to do something useful. (Mafia role blocker would have 9 persons to choose from, since he/she would know the 3 mafia.) That leaves a 2/9 = around 22% chance of roleblocking on the first day, since I'm quite sure there will be no roleclaims this early. On the other hand, the medic has a very small chance of blocking the first kill on N1 (1/11 * 8/9 ~ 8% chance), but the detective has a chance of as much as 27% finding scum on N1 if he doesn't die. (Which would be about 24% in total, which is still higher than the chance of mafia roleblocking.) Note: You may notice I'm into maths a lot.... Also, it might even be that the mafia has a roleblocker but the town has no power roles, which renders the mafia roleblocker useless, making the situation even worse for them. Anyway, I think that we should try to be provocative and try to raise as much discussion as possible. In my opinion we should aim to lynch someone (hopefully scum) on D1.
A no-lynch would essentially give the mafia a free kill, and not necessarily get us that much more information.Also... Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 10:12 Probulous wrote:
Come on town let the streets flow with red red blood! What a lovely way to start the game... but on the other hand, I doubt even a newbie scum player would slip that early, even though it could be done on purpose to make us think even a newbie wouldn't slip such, but in fact being scum anyway? It comes down to a wall of text that tell us nothing. It just makes it look like hes contributing a lot when in fact he hasn't come up with a new opinion and his others posts are very non-committal. Just like wishy washy, things, and I thought it was just weird. However this morning you posted + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 00:16 Cephiro wrote:
Time for a D1 analysis! Obviously I'll leave myself out, but if someone wants to know more about my opinions / ask why I'm in favor of something, please go ahead, discussion is what we need at the moment.
Also, my apologies if I'm wrong with someone's gender, I'll make a mean generalization and expect everyone to be a male until noted otherwise.
Player List:
1.CookieMaker
For now I'm leaning slightly towards town on him, even though he is quite in-favour of the no-lynch possibility. But I think that may be due to the fact that it's his first game, and he may not have read through/followed many mafia games before. So I'm thinking he's rather be safe than sorry, but hopefully he'll realize the amount of information even a possible mislynch will give us, not even mentioning the huge lead we can get if we nail a mafia on D1. His posts could have slightly more actual content, but he's trying so for now he's okay to me.
2.Liquid`Sheth
Hasn't posted anything useful aside from welcoming people and pressuring CatsnHats. Sure, pressuring at this point has to be done, but deciding to pick on one person for no real reason at this point and providing no other content? Hopefully he means well and just tries to make sure CatsnHats plays pro-town regardless of being new, I mean, Sheth does have 2 previous games of TL mafia as a base of experience. But for now, I am reading something between neutral or slightly scum. I dare you to prove me your innocence, so I'll be waiting for your morning post.
3.AnxiousHippo
Doesn't seem to have any idea of what he should be doing, but I guess it's understandable since it's only his second game. I am hoping to hear more from you, since you haven't posted enough content to make any kind of read on you. Neutral.
5.Tunkeg
Good forewarn on not being able to answer at the start of the game. Appareantly was on the winning side in his first game. He seems like an aggressive type of person, wanting to start the accusations and pressure to get some discussion going on. Thinks that D1 lynch is a must, but backs it up with some very good points. Took the first vote playing it relatively safely, voting for a lurker who hasn't posted yet. Clearly wants something to happen, but I am for now unsure if his method will be very successful. Neutral for now, but if you keep the activity up I should be able to get either a slight-town or slight-scum read on you soon.
6.Jitsu
Seems to want to actively participate, and most of his posts so far are convincing people to lynch on D1. Hasn't posted any actual content other than that though, so I will still stand on a neutral read. I am hoping to hear more content from you soon, I need to get more reads.
7.Xeris
All I can say is, no content, not a good sign. Neutral.
8.Gretorp
Same as above, neutral.
9.Gonzaw
Answering people's questions, trying to explain some of the basic stuff that should be understood, looks good to me. I like the way he pushed to know more about how I seem to know about the game, so he seems like he isn't taking anything for granted. Also suggesting pressure voting to get things going. I have a slight town-read here.
10.Blurry
Seems to be in favour of no-lynching, wanting to stay on the safe side. Hasn't talked about anything but different possibilities if a mafia roleblocker exists. Not useful. (Okay, I'll have to admit that my statistics post at start wasn't necessarily very useful either, but I've been at least trying to post other content as well.) Neutral for now, but if you won't be posting more, I would lean on slightly scum.
11.Probulous
Being very active at the start, and the play seems really town-favouring. Constantly asking for opinions and explaining his reasoning. I like his opinion on lynching, definitely wanting to lynch mafia but still keeping in mind the possibility of being careful incase we don't get any reads on D1. Hopefully we will have some scum reads that we can go for so no-lynch won't be necessary. Pressuring the people that should be on according to timezone but haven't posted. I would have to say you are my strongest town-read so far, I want to hear more of your opinions when you're back.
12.CatsnHats
Being a new player, it's understandable that he's a bit confused, but you really need to learn that you CAN'T TRUST anyone but yourself. Whatever you think about the situation or someone's reads, say it, don't just agree or disagree randomly. I'm kind of worried of the chance that you are a townie whom the mafia would be able to talk around easily, but I hope you'll prove me wrong. (about the convincing part.) Or you could be mafia that is pretending to be a super-newbie town on his first game... who knows. But you're neutral so far. Start posting your opinions!
I'm not going to vote yet myself, but I will join the pressure voting in a few hours if Xeris and Gretorp aren't going to turn up. Which has some negatives and actually contribues some, so I'll back off for now. Kinda ironic that you wanted me to post my read today and my read was on you. @Tunkeg we shall see. CatsnHats what do you think about this Gretorp guys first too posts. Good / bad / scummy?!? Okay, I'll admit that my statistical starting post maybe wasn't the best opening post ever, but at least I tried, unlike many others... can't blame me for being excited and trying to contribute! To be honest, I don't understand your claim about me being wishy-washy at the start, when I was clearly trying to push for some points. For example: Show nested quote + On January 04 2012 10:42 Cephiro wrote:
Anyway, I think that we should try to be provocative and try to raise as much discussion as possible. In my opinion we should aim to lynch someone (hopefully scum) on D1.
A no-lynch would essentially give the mafia a free kill, and not necessarily get us that much more information. On the other hand when I read your posts, I see almost nothing useful. You're trying to pressure CatsnHats, and trying to clarify some acronyms and such on D1. You're not posting any of your reads. And now you asked CatsnHats about his opinion on Gretorp when he already posted about it... you're giving surprisingly much attention to him to start the game with in my opinion. I'm pointing my FoS at you. I'll have my eyes on you Sheth. I'm not going to accuse you of being scum yet, but I suggest that you all watch Sheth's posts carefully. You'll have to try harder than that to convince me.
He also says he doesn't think Sheth is mafia but asks everyone else to watch him closely, implying he wants other people to call him out first so he doesn't have to worry about it.
His vote for Tea was also just a placeholder even though he said none of his top 3 scumreads is Tea.On January 06 2012 08:22 Cephiro wrote:
Placeholder vote since I am quite sure I will not have enough time to convince the town on lynching someone else, sorry AKCT. :/
If there are some specific points anyone of you want me to answer, please point them out now.
##Vote A Killer Cuppa Tea On January 06 2012 08:37 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 08:23 Probulous wrote:
Two questions Ceph
Would you vote for AKCT?
From that post you think Sheth, Cats and myself are scum? Is that right? I don't want to put words in your mouth again so please label the three scum for me.
Thanks for coming out guns blazing. Voted for AKCT. We need to get a lynch today. This will be a short post since I don't think I will have time for a full analysis, but at the moment the top-3 scumreads (in no particular order) for me are:
Liquid`Sheth, CatsnHats, Gretorp.I am fairly sure that one of the lurkers is scum, even though I could be wrong. Gretorp has promised analysis twice, but nothing so far. Even though I do not like Xeris's overly safe play, I find Gretorp more scum than him at the moment. I was thinking about building a bigger case against you, since you seemed to go for me so aggressively, but even if I would like to see more of your reads on others, I think you have a reason to keep them to yourself for now, and you're just trying to pressure the hell out of who you think are scum. So I'm actually leaning town on you.
@Jitsu if you look back at where he said Tea you'd see that I talked right before and after.
@CatsNHats get your head back in the game if you're town you should be more focused on killing mafia than convincing everyone you're a dead weight. Just keep trying, your last paragraph was decent, try expanding on that.
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Bah, misslynch. But I still found CM scummy, so I will stand by my desicion to vote for him. Seeing how people jumped on the BW in the end here it became obvious that we were heading for a misslynch. I beg all of you to analyse this lynch and the reasoning the people had behind their vote.
Now I'll be a little bit pessimistic. Even if we have a great deal of players who is posting alot and contributing wwe have quit a few lurkers. The worst of them beeing Xeris and Gretorp who didn't post once yesterday, and didn't even vote. This is so incredible anti-town that it is starting to annoy me. Blurry have also been somewhat lurky, but hat least he have posted some, so we have something to base our analysis on. Then we have Cats doing the selfvote, this is really sad, and I would usually vote off anyone who do this kind of stunt. But instead I will beg you Cats to unvote yourself, and come back to the game, you have been more active then alot of others and I don't agree that you are terrible at this game. Sure, some of your posts are suspicious and I might end up voting for you on day 2. But I'd rather that you come back and play the game, defend yourself, make cases and help town win this, than OMGUS'ing yourself and leave. The worst thing you can do now as a town is to get yourself voted off on day 2, as we then probably will be down 3 players going into night 2. If we lose this because of you selfvoting and leaving I will surely blame you for the loss and consider your play bad as hell, if we lose after you coming back and at least trying I will not blame you for it (sure I might think you have made some newbie mistakes if you are town, but I won't hold that against you).
Now for some WIFOM, hold it against me if you wish. I said yesterday that I would put anyone not voting for someone up for the lynch under heavy scrutiny. Well, 3 players didn't vote at all, one got lynched. For the two others, Xeris and Gretorp, I am truly dissapointed. Do this mean I think they are members of the North American Scum League, no, my WIFOM logic is that scum wouldn't risk not voting and getting modkilled, however these guys might actually be smart enough to realise that they would just get a warning and just meta this (This is why WIFOM is just WIFOM). I think it is likely that they are just bad townies because of this, but I leave a small chance for them to just be very clever scum.
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EBWOP:
In closing to my WIFOM over I think there is other players who need to be focused more on on day 2. This beeing said I fear going to the late game with Xeris and Gretorp as no one will have no read on them at all.
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On January 06 2012 11:32 CatsnHats wrote:Ok guys. I don't really want to do this, but I'm going to since it really is the best for the town. I think all of you should vote to lynch me on D2. I've come to realize that I am a terrible player of this game, especially as a townie (with no role I might add!). I should have found the newbie forum or got a better idea of this game before i signed up to play it. My first few posts I made before I realized the psychological and analytical implications of this game handicapped me and I've been playing the defensive ever since. After the bad start I put myself in, my goal was to make it past D1, which I did, so I'm fine with getting lynched if it's agreeable amongst everyone (I'm sure the scum will agree). All I have really done is distract you all from the real the scum with my terrible play, and that's not fair to the town. I also admit, I haven't added much in the way of original analysis because I was afraid that it would put me in even more hot water. The obviously wasn't the right play. Maybe you all can get D2 sped up if the mods allow it so anymore scumhunting time isn't wasted. This probably isn't the correct time to do it since it's N1, but for the record. ##Vote: CatsnHatsFor the record: in light of CM/Tea turning up green, I think it takes some heat of you Ceph. You (and the rest of the town) should spend your time looking into Xeris and Gretorp (because of questionable/contradictory posting when not lurking) and pressuring AnxiousHippo, a player who has gone unnoticed to others because of all of the accusations going around. He's made filler posts, keeps making excuses for not reading through everything, and throws out a placeholder vote for Xeris and a very bandwagon vote for CookieMaker/Tea. Quoted below: Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 08:36 AnxiousHippo wrote:
I haven't been able to go through everything as well as I hoped but we need a lynch. There was a lot of discussion on Cephiro but I haven't been able to read through it thoroughly enough so I'm going for Tea
##Unvote: Xeris
##Vote: A Killer Cuppa Tea
Sheth, what do you think of this post?
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This post seems like its one of two things.
1. Hes honestly just a newb who isn't dealing with the pressure very well. It happens and this post is just his way of taking the pressure off of him.
2. His scum buddies helped him post something that looks good and will take pressure off of him.
I just CANT see him posting this as scum by himself. And this post seems like it was written exactly by CatsnHats, not by an outside helper as far as I can tell. Things like "this probably isn't the correct time" then still doing it, just seems very like cats. So, as I'm not convinced hes not mafia, I don't think he should be a lynch for us in day 2. If he is mafia he will definetly make some silly mistakes as we go along or he'll be dead.
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Hippo this is terrible posting!
First off you placed a place holder vote as well, you have no right to call out others for lack of content. Cephiro's contradictory reasoning for voting for AKCT was noted but yours was far worse.
On January 06 2012 08:36 AnxiousHippo wrote:
I haven't been able to go through everything as well as I hoped but we need a lynch. There was a lot of discussion on Cephiro but I haven't been able to read through it thoroughly enough so I'm going for Tea
##Unvote: Xeris
##Vote: A Killer Cuppa Tea
Can you explain why you went AWOL from the thread right before the lynch? To the point of not providing any reasoning for your vote and then when both Jitsu and myself call you out on it, you produce this post?
It just parrot's everything I have been saying about Ceph and doesn't take into account anything that has happened since I posted it.
Gretorp knows his analysis is expected, almost everyone has been requesting it.
You point out Xeris looks scummy by asking exactly the same thing I did to Sheth. In fact you use the same quote and logic that I did without quoting me? Taking credit for work that isn't yours? This is trying to look like your contributing when you aren't.
Reading your Cephiro post, you point out that he was playing it safe till the pressure came on. I put the pressure on and since then he has been better. His voting reason was terrible but his aggressive pressuring has been really good. You have no right to talk about playing it safe. Sheeping people left, right and centre and now parroting others to appear useful. Is this how you pressure people?
Being excited has nothing to to do with the quality of his posting. Of all the things to point out, you use a throw-away line in a massive posts that I still maintain say almost nothing. If you want others to put the effort in, do it yourself.
You started alright in this game. I had you pegged as a shy newbie. Your vote and this post are changing my mind. Give me something concrete. Here is a task for you.
Take a look at the people who voted for AKCT because they didn't want a no-lynch. Especially the ones who had not aggressively pushed him before. The ones who voted for him even though they thought he was town.
If there is no mafia in there than I am a monkey's uncle. Pick up your game Hippo, don't think we've forgotten you.
On January 06 2012 16:31 AnxiousHippo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 12:09 Gretorp wrote:
And i will be doing a huge post otnight most likely just got to get caught up since it grew a lot When? Don't think we've forgotten. Xeris doesn't quite look scummy because we have nothing to analyse him on but he does look pretty dodgy, especially with Sheth's post in mind. Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 12:57 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Well, the Xeris thing is based completely on the fact that I know him really well IRL and we've played mafia a bunch before. He is really bad mafia. Like he'd be lurking and mod killed if he was mafia. He's already been warned, in a not-newbie game it'd be a modkill. At the moment Cephiro looks more like mafia than CatsnHats, partly because I don't know what to make of Cats' "I give up post". He was also trying to play it safe till the pressure came on. Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 01:23 Cephiro wrote:On January 05 2012 01:10 Tunkeg wrote:
What is it that makes you think CookieMaker is slightly town? You have listed alot of anti-town things about him but not one pro-town thing. He had a very good start in my opinion, posting actively and talking about the different possibilities. I also like the fact that even though he is (or at least was) in favour of the no-lynch, he didn't give up on his thoughts just like that, but was sticking up for himself and why he thinks it's a good idea. I do have to admit that his last posts are quite fluffy, which is why I'm only carefully and only slightly leaning towards town on him for now. Jitsu had a few very good points about him though, which I slightly agree with. But for now I will still stick to my opinion about slightly town, until he posts more. He is on the edge of neutral and slightly town to me though. Also, I am finding myself on thinking of Jitsu as slightly town now. His last post was exactly what I wanted to see from him. On the other hand, I am still not sure about you. I think you are going slightly overboard with how much you are asking other's opinions, but not providing as much of your own. You have been suspecting quite a lot of people this early, and to what I see, there are two possibilities. Either you are mafia and trying to confuse people by trying to accuse a bit of everyone, or then you are just playing aggressive town, fishing for reactions for easier reads. I certainly hope you are the latter. But I remain neutral on you for now. He says he sees Jitsu and CM as slightly town and he's neutral on Tunkeg. He also falls back on "being excited" twice Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 02:38 Cephiro wrote:On January 05 2012 02:24 Tunkeg wrote:
@Ceph and Cats
You guys say I have been suspicious to many players allready. Well, then you missread me, I am only suspicious to CM atm. xeris and Gretorp I am not suspicious of as of yet, just saying I will vote for them if they don't step up.
In my post to Blurry I didn't say I think he is suspicious, only that he haven't contributed greatly yet.
Ceph you said you think I have made to many questions posts and to little content posts. Well, to me content is opinions and analyzis of others play, and in my opinion I have allready made more content than you, including your day one analyzis post. I will give you credit for putting it out there, and it might lead to some discussion, but I think your reads are to vague and therefor the value of it isn't the greatest.
In closing I will say that I am not suspicious of you two as of yet, so there will be no missunderstanding. I see, good of you to clarify that. After re-reading your filter a few times, I personally think that you have posted a lot of opinions, but not that much analysis. I do see your point what you're getting at, and I also do understand your opinion about my analysis post. I do have to agree with you they don't tell that much yet, but I am trying to provide others an idea of my opinions at the moment, and raising dicussion to help me clarify my reads. Might also have to do with me still being excited to get this game started. + Show Spoiler +Hopefully they will answer your question posts seriously so we'll get more content thanks to you. I am not suscpicious of you either, but your recent answer enables me to get a better understanding of your playstyle, which I thank you for.
About your question as of Jitsu's post, it seems like he likes to concentrate his play on a few persons, which is very understandable. For me that post is making me lean to slightly-town on him, but I would like to see him take contact to more persons and his opinions about others too. If he isolates himself to only put pressure on these two it can have it's good sides, but at least I want to hear more of his thoughts before I say anything. He hasn't posted very much yet, but I still don't think he's scum. Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 04:41 Cephiro wrote:On January 05 2012 03:58 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Ahhh yea. Gretorp getting busy. I like it. Were going to get some scum. Ok, well, I'm going to analyse some games for a bit, as I have to work. However before I go, I geuss I'll point out one thing. Everyone seems to be accusing everyone. It doesn't help, because we know its just one persons pressure and honestly we assume its fake pressure, because after all its day1 and we don't have any great reads. So, instead of this I recomend we get behind one person and see if they can tell us why they ARE NOT mafia. I was planning on leaning on Cephiro, for his post here : + Show Spoiler +On January 04 2012 10:42 Cephiro wrote:I'll have to say CookieMaker provides a few good points to start with. Even though none of us knows the exact set up, I would have to argue that we as town have a much better starting point. Considering the case that the mafia would have a role blocker, it will most likely be less useful until later game when people are starting to have better reads on each other. If the town has both the medic and detective, it is quite likely that they will be able to do something useful. (Mafia role blocker would have 9 persons to choose from, since he/she would know the 3 mafia.) That leaves a 2/9 = around 22% chance of roleblocking on the first day, since I'm quite sure there will be no roleclaims this early. On the other hand, the medic has a very small chance of blocking the first kill on N1 (1/11 * 8/9 ~ 8% chance), but the detective has a chance of as much as 27% finding scum on N1 if he doesn't die. (Which would be about 24% in total, which is still higher than the chance of mafia roleblocking.) Note: You may notice I'm into maths a lot.... Also, it might even be that the mafia has a roleblocker but the town has no power roles, which renders the mafia roleblocker useless, making the situation even worse for them. Anyway, I think that we should try to be provocative and try to raise as much discussion as possible. In my opinion we should aim to lynch someone (hopefully scum) on D1.
A no-lynch would essentially give the mafia a free kill, and not necessarily get us that much more information.Also... Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 10:12 Probulous wrote:
Come on town let the streets flow with red red blood! What a lovely way to start the game... but on the other hand, I doubt even a newbie scum player would slip that early, even though it could be done on purpose to make us think even a newbie wouldn't slip such, but in fact being scum anyway? It comes down to a wall of text that tell us nothing. It just makes it look like hes contributing a lot when in fact he hasn't come up with a new opinion and his others posts are very non-committal. Just like wishy washy, things, and I thought it was just weird. However this morning you posted + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 00:16 Cephiro wrote:
Time for a D1 analysis! Obviously I'll leave myself out, but if someone wants to know more about my opinions / ask why I'm in favor of something, please go ahead, discussion is what we need at the moment.
Also, my apologies if I'm wrong with someone's gender, I'll make a mean generalization and expect everyone to be a male until noted otherwise.
Player List:
1.CookieMaker
For now I'm leaning slightly towards town on him, even though he is quite in-favour of the no-lynch possibility. But I think that may be due to the fact that it's his first game, and he may not have read through/followed many mafia games before. So I'm thinking he's rather be safe than sorry, but hopefully he'll realize the amount of information even a possible mislynch will give us, not even mentioning the huge lead we can get if we nail a mafia on D1. His posts could have slightly more actual content, but he's trying so for now he's okay to me.
2.Liquid`Sheth
Hasn't posted anything useful aside from welcoming people and pressuring CatsnHats. Sure, pressuring at this point has to be done, but deciding to pick on one person for no real reason at this point and providing no other content? Hopefully he means well and just tries to make sure CatsnHats plays pro-town regardless of being new, I mean, Sheth does have 2 previous games of TL mafia as a base of experience. But for now, I am reading something between neutral or slightly scum. I dare you to prove me your innocence, so I'll be waiting for your morning post.
3.AnxiousHippo
Doesn't seem to have any idea of what he should be doing, but I guess it's understandable since it's only his second game. I am hoping to hear more from you, since you haven't posted enough content to make any kind of read on you. Neutral.
5.Tunkeg
Good forewarn on not being able to answer at the start of the game. Appareantly was on the winning side in his first game. He seems like an aggressive type of person, wanting to start the accusations and pressure to get some discussion going on. Thinks that D1 lynch is a must, but backs it up with some very good points. Took the first vote playing it relatively safely, voting for a lurker who hasn't posted yet. Clearly wants something to happen, but I am for now unsure if his method will be very successful. Neutral for now, but if you keep the activity up I should be able to get either a slight-town or slight-scum read on you soon.
6.Jitsu
Seems to want to actively participate, and most of his posts so far are convincing people to lynch on D1. Hasn't posted any actual content other than that though, so I will still stand on a neutral read. I am hoping to hear more content from you soon, I need to get more reads.
7.Xeris
All I can say is, no content, not a good sign. Neutral.
8.Gretorp
Same as above, neutral.
9.Gonzaw
Answering people's questions, trying to explain some of the basic stuff that should be understood, looks good to me. I like the way he pushed to know more about how I seem to know about the game, so he seems like he isn't taking anything for granted. Also suggesting pressure voting to get things going. I have a slight town-read here.
10.Blurry
Seems to be in favour of no-lynching, wanting to stay on the safe side. Hasn't talked about anything but different possibilities if a mafia roleblocker exists. Not useful. (Okay, I'll have to admit that my statistics post at start wasn't necessarily very useful either, but I've been at least trying to post other content as well.) Neutral for now, but if you won't be posting more, I would lean on slightly scum.
11.Probulous
Being very active at the start, and the play seems really town-favouring. Constantly asking for opinions and explaining his reasoning. I like his opinion on lynching, definitely wanting to lynch mafia but still keeping in mind the possibility of being careful incase we don't get any reads on D1. Hopefully we will have some scum reads that we can go for so no-lynch won't be necessary. Pressuring the people that should be on according to timezone but haven't posted. I would have to say you are my strongest town-read so far, I want to hear more of your opinions when you're back.
12.CatsnHats
Being a new player, it's understandable that he's a bit confused, but you really need to learn that you CAN'T TRUST anyone but yourself. Whatever you think about the situation or someone's reads, say it, don't just agree or disagree randomly. I'm kind of worried of the chance that you are a townie whom the mafia would be able to talk around easily, but I hope you'll prove me wrong. (about the convincing part.) Or you could be mafia that is pretending to be a super-newbie town on his first game... who knows. But you're neutral so far. Start posting your opinions!
I'm not going to vote yet myself, but I will join the pressure voting in a few hours if Xeris and Gretorp aren't going to turn up. Which has some negatives and actually contribues some, so I'll back off for now. Kinda ironic that you wanted me to post my read today and my read was on you. @Tunkeg we shall see. CatsnHats what do you think about this Gretorp guys first too posts. Good / bad / scummy?!? Okay, I'll admit that my statistical starting post maybe wasn't the best opening post ever, but at least I tried, unlike many others... can't blame me for being excited and trying to contribute! To be honest, I don't understand your claim about me being wishy-washy at the start, when I was clearly trying to push for some points. For example: On January 04 2012 10:42 Cephiro wrote:
Anyway, I think that we should try to be provocative and try to raise as much discussion as possible. In my opinion we should aim to lynch someone (hopefully scum) on D1.
A no-lynch would essentially give the mafia a free kill, and not necessarily get us that much more information. On the other hand when I read your posts, I see almost nothing useful. You're trying to pressure CatsnHats, and trying to clarify some acronyms and such on D1. You're not posting any of your reads. And now you asked CatsnHats about his opinion on Gretorp when he already posted about it... you're giving surprisingly much attention to him to start the game with in my opinion. I'm pointing my FoS at you. I'll have my eyes on you Sheth. I'm not going to accuse you of being scum yet, but I suggest that you all watch Sheth's posts carefully. You'll have to try harder than that to convince me. He also says he doesn't think Sheth is mafia but asks everyone else to watch him closely, implying he wants other people to call him out first so he doesn't have to worry about it. His vote for Tea was also just a placeholder even though he said none of his top 3 scumreads is Tea. Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 08:22 Cephiro wrote:
Placeholder vote since I am quite sure I will not have enough time to convince the town on lynching someone else, sorry AKCT. :/
If there are some specific points anyone of you want me to answer, please point them out now.
##Vote A Killer Cuppa Tea Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 08:37 Cephiro wrote:On January 06 2012 08:23 Probulous wrote:
Two questions Ceph
Would you vote for AKCT?
From that post you think Sheth, Cats and myself are scum? Is that right? I don't want to put words in your mouth again so please label the three scum for me.
Thanks for coming out guns blazing. Voted for AKCT. We need to get a lynch today. This will be a short post since I don't think I will have time for a full analysis, but at the moment the top-3 scumreads (in no particular order) for me are:
Liquid`Sheth, CatsnHats, Gretorp.I am fairly sure that one of the lurkers is scum, even though I could be wrong. Gretorp has promised analysis twice, but nothing so far. Even though I do not like Xeris's overly safe play, I find Gretorp more scum than him at the moment. I was thinking about building a bigger case against you, since you seemed to go for me so aggressively, but even if I would like to see more of your reads on others, I think you have a reason to keep them to yourself for now, and you're just trying to pressure the hell out of who you think are scum. So I'm actually leaning town on you. @Jitsu if you look back at where he said Tea you'd see that I talked right before and after. @CatsNHats get your head back in the game if you're town you should be more focused on killing mafia than convincing everyone you're a dead weight. Just keep trying, your last paragraph was decent, try expanding on that.
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On January 07 2012 05:24 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
This post seems like its one of two things.
1. Hes honestly just a newb who isn't dealing with the pressure very well. It happens and this post is just his way of taking the pressure off of him.
2. His scum buddies helped him post something that looks good and will take pressure off of him.
I just CANT see him posting this as scum by himself. And this post seems like it was written exactly by CatsnHats, not by an outside helper as far as I can tell. Things like "this probably isn't the correct time" then still doing it, just seems very like cats. So, as I'm not convinced hes not mafia, I don't think he should be a lynch for us in day 2. If he is mafia he will definetly make some silly mistakes as we go along or he'll be dead.
And as for you're opinion, do you think he is mafia or town?
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On January 06 2012 10:40 Probulous wrote:@Sheth Given this was your reasoning for finding Xeris REALLY pro-town Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 12:57 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Well, the Xeris thing is based completely on the fact that I know him really well IRL and we've played mafia a bunch before. He is really bad mafia. Like he'd be lurking and mod killed if he was mafia. and the fact that Xeris is no where to be seen and warned for not voting, has your positioned changed? He seems to be playing exactly as you would expect him to if he were mafia.
Sheth can you please answer this...
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Tunkeg, I expected you to do better than this.
On January 07 2012 00:55 Tunkeg wrote:
Bah, misslynch. But I still found CM scummy, so I will stand by my desicion to vote for him. Seeing how people jumped on the BW in the end here it became obvious that we were heading for a misslynch. I beg all of you to analyse this lynch and the reasoning the people had behind their vote.
This was already said, nothing new.
Now I'll be a little bit pessimistic. Even if we have a great deal of players who is posting alot and contributing wwe have quit a few lurkers. The worst of them beeing Xeris and Gretorp who didn't post once yesterday, and didn't even vote. This is so incredible anti-town that it is starting to annoy me. Blurry have also been somewhat lurky, but hat least he have posted some, so we have something to base our analysis on.
So here you state that some people are lurking, and didn't post nor vote...
Do you think we don't know that? Tunkeg, this info here is absolutely useless.
You are not saying anything new
Then we have Cats doing the selfvote, this is really sad, and I would usually vote off anyone who do this kind of stunt. But instead I will beg you Cats to unvote yourself, and come back to the game, you have been more active then alot of others and I don't agree that you are terrible at this game. Sure, some of your posts are suspicious and I might end up voting for you on day 2. But I'd rather that you come back and play the game, defend yourself, make cases and help town win this, than OMGUS'ing yourself and leave. The worst thing you can do now as a town is to get yourself voted off on day 2, as we then probably will be down 3 players going into night 2. If we lose this because of you selfvoting and leaving I will surely blame you for the loss and consider your play bad as hell, if we lose after you coming back and at least trying I will not blame you for it (sure I might think you have made some newbie mistakes if you are town, but I won't hold that against you).
This was stated by Prob and me too.
Again, you are not saying anything new.
Now for some WIFOM, hold it against me if you wish. I said yesterday that I would put anyone not voting for someone up for the lynch under heavy scrutiny. Well, 3 players didn't vote at all, one got lynched. For the two others, Xeris and Gretorp, I am truly dissapointed. Do this mean I think they are members of the North American Scum League, no, my WIFOM logic is that scum wouldn't risk not voting and getting modkilled, however these guys might actually be smart enough to realise that they would just get a warning and just meta this (This is why WIFOM is just WIFOM). I think it is likely that they are just bad townies because of this, but I leave a small chance for them to just be very clever scum.
Yes, this is WIFOM, and very bad at it.
Do you know how many games I played where some scum forgot about the game, disappeared and was modkilled?
It's not "scum always pay attention to the game". If a certain player is busy, or doesn't care about the game in the first place, he won't care about the game whether he's town or scum.
They don't have to be "clever scum" to be inactive.
Hell, that's even the opposite of "clever scum", they have all the pressure and eyes on them, they eventually have to get here to not get modkilled and they have A LOT to respond to. They also have a chance of getting DT checked, or even getting policy lynched. This sounds pretty stupid to me if they are scum (and doing it on purpose); so what you said doesn't make any sense.
Really Tunkeg, you were giving me a town feel, but this post is a mess and screams fluff and regurgitation everywhere.
What the hell?
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On January 07 2012 05:28 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 05:24 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
This post seems like its one of two things.
1. Hes honestly just a newb who isn't dealing with the pressure very well. It happens and this post is just his way of taking the pressure off of him.
2. His scum buddies helped him post something that looks good and will take pressure off of him.
I just CANT see him posting this as scum by himself. And this post seems like it was written exactly by CatsnHats, not by an outside helper as far as I can tell. Things like "this probably isn't the correct time" then still doing it, just seems very like cats. So, as I'm not convinced hes not mafia, I don't think he should be a lynch for us in day 2. If he is mafia he will definetly make some silly mistakes as we go along or he'll be dead. And as for you're opinion, do you think he is mafia or town?
I'm leaning town as of now. I stick by the fact that if hes mafia he'll make some huge mistake soon.
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On January 07 2012 05:34 gonzaw wrote:Tunkeg, I expected you to do better than this. Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 00:55 Tunkeg wrote:
Bah, misslynch. But I still found CM scummy, so I will stand by my desicion to vote for him. Seeing how people jumped on the BW in the end here it became obvious that we were heading for a misslynch. I beg all of you to analyse this lynch and the reasoning the people had behind their vote. This was already said, nothing new. Show nested quote +Now I'll be a little bit pessimistic. Even if we have a great deal of players who is posting alot and contributing wwe have quit a few lurkers. The worst of them beeing Xeris and Gretorp who didn't post once yesterday, and didn't even vote. This is so incredible anti-town that it is starting to annoy me. Blurry have also been somewhat lurky, but hat least he have posted some, so we have something to base our analysis on. So here you state that some people are lurking, and didn't post nor vote... Do you think we don't know that? Tunkeg, this info here is absolutely useless. You are not saying anything new Show nested quote +Then we have Cats doing the selfvote, this is really sad, and I would usually vote off anyone who do this kind of stunt. But instead I will beg you Cats to unvote yourself, and come back to the game, you have been more active then alot of others and I don't agree that you are terrible at this game. Sure, some of your posts are suspicious and I might end up voting for you on day 2. But I'd rather that you come back and play the game, defend yourself, make cases and help town win this, than OMGUS'ing yourself and leave. The worst thing you can do now as a town is to get yourself voted off on day 2, as we then probably will be down 3 players going into night 2. If we lose this because of you selfvoting and leaving I will surely blame you for the loss and consider your play bad as hell, if we lose after you coming back and at least trying I will not blame you for it (sure I might think you have made some newbie mistakes if you are town, but I won't hold that against you). This was stated by Prob and me too. Again, you are not saying anything new. Show nested quote +Now for some WIFOM, hold it against me if you wish. I said yesterday that I would put anyone not voting for someone up for the lynch under heavy scrutiny. Well, 3 players didn't vote at all, one got lynched. For the two others, Xeris and Gretorp, I am truly dissapointed. Do this mean I think they are members of the North American Scum League, no, my WIFOM logic is that scum wouldn't risk not voting and getting modkilled, however these guys might actually be smart enough to realise that they would just get a warning and just meta this (This is why WIFOM is just WIFOM). I think it is likely that they are just bad townies because of this, but I leave a small chance for them to just be very clever scum. Yes, this is WIFOM, and very bad at it. Do you know how many games I played where some scum forgot about the game, disappeared and was modkilled? It's not "scum always pay attention to the game". If a certain player is busy, or doesn't care about the game in the first place, he won't care about the game whether he's town or scum. They don't have to be "clever scum" to be inactive. Hell, that's even the opposite of "clever scum", they have all the pressure and eyes on them, they eventually have to get here to not get modkilled and they have A LOT to respond to. They also have a chance of getting DT checked, or even getting policy lynched. This sounds pretty stupid to me if they are scum (and doing it on purpose); so what you said doesn't make any sense. Really Tunkeg, you were giving me a town feel, but this post is a mess and screams fluff and regurgitation everywhere. What the hell?
LOL, are you just trying to pick a fight here? I will post whatever I like thank you. Post a real analysis or gtfo, analysing my one post here is just meaningless, it was my post on how I felt the lynch went. But please feel free to post more useless analysis as these, you might just reveal yourself as scum if you do...
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On January 07 2012 05:30 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 10:40 Probulous wrote:@Sheth Given this was your reasoning for finding Xeris REALLY pro-town On January 05 2012 12:57 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Well, the Xeris thing is based completely on the fact that I know him really well IRL and we've played mafia a bunch before. He is really bad mafia. Like he'd be lurking and mod killed if he was mafia. and the fact that Xeris is no where to be seen and warned for not voting, has your positioned changed? He seems to be playing exactly as you would expect him to if he were mafia. Sheth can you please answer this...
Yeah, hes acting like I said he would if he was mafia. I feel bad about this though, as I asked him to come play and just asked him to read the first page and hoped he'd play. So I'm sure he didn't realize all the work he was getting in to (the ammount of pages, size of posts so forth) just from the first page. Same thing for Gretorp, so rather then make a judgement (I don't really think its possible based on the ammount of posts they've provided) I think its obvious we wait for them to either make some posts soon, get mod killed, or be replaced. If there replaced I'll go over there first posts again, but as I think they will be either mod killed / replaced, I don't think its important we go over their posts too much now. I can say that from there personalities I don't think any of these posts are conclusive that there mafia.
I expected more of 1 post a day, if they were mafia, not 0 posts a day, and they should always vote. I expected them to get modkilled much later in the game, not the first day if they were mafia. Just from a slow draining of interest of playing as mafia.
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On January 07 2012 05:41 Tunkeg wrote:LOL, are you just trying to pick a fight here? I will post whatever I like thank you. Post a real analysis or gtfo, analysing my one post here is just meaningless, it was my post on how I felt the lynch went. But please feel free to post more useless analysis as these, you might just reveal yourself as scum if you do...
What?
I'm pointing out your post is a mess, I want a reason why.
You could have just used the lynch to analyse other players, like we are all doing, and is what you should do, instead of posting that meaningless post.
Why do you say it's an "useless analysis"? So you are free to post all the fluff and filler you want then?
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On January 07 2012 05:45 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 05:41 Tunkeg wrote:LOL, are you just trying to pick a fight here? I will post whatever I like thank you. Post a real analysis or gtfo, analysing my one post here is just meaningless, it was my post on how I felt the lynch went. But please feel free to post more useless analysis as these, you might just reveal yourself as scum if you do... What? I'm pointing out your post is a mess, I want a reason why. You could have just used the lynch to analyse other players, like we are all doing, and is what you should do, instead of posting that meaningless post. Why do you say it's an "useless analysis"? So you are free to post all the fluff and filler you want then?
And I am saying that my post is perfectly fine. Just because you guys have said something while I wasn't able to post in the thread doesn't mean I can't post my view of the lynch. And yes, I wanted to encourage Cats to continue, I don't care wheather you or prob did it. And yeah, my WIFOM was WIFOM but I explained why I won't be going after Xeris and Gretorp for not voting.
Pleeease feel free to pursuit this, but if you want to make a case on me, go through my filter and dig up some more. Only good thing about your post is that you got my attention, before you have pretty much been floating under the radar for me.
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