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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
January 16 2012 22:51 GMT
#2041
Grackaroni, no, don't confuse things. First they use their vote to indicate if they are willing to reveal his flip, then we set up a code for them to tell us what they want to tell us.

don't pay attention to grackaroni's code, stick to mine.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 16 2012 22:51 GMT
#2042
Or if you want, you can just talk to us directly Layabout
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
January 16 2012 22:52 GMT
#2043
I am the sage.
Layabout was twisted last night.
Grackaroni is not a demon.
These are the facts I have for the town, if you don't want to accept them then so be it, but they are all facts. I think this makes layabout fairly likely to be a demon, but it is possible they were merely guessing who I would check. Regardless, we need to focus on lynching an angel today.

@Layabout
Syllo was also arguing that I was scum-buddies with RoL, a scenario that is now known by all to be 100% impossible, so don't go using his assumptions as the basis for your argument. I don't care whether you are demon or town right now, all I know is you are not an angel, and I am not an angel, and we really must kill an angel today. So let's do that, shall we? Hell, if you think I am an angel so much, please point out one of my angel scum buddies and let's lynch the shit out of him, ok?
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 16 2012 22:52 GMT
#2044
The Q&A post has been updated with a new question and its answer.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
January 16 2012 22:54 GMT
#2045
I find it profoundly unlikely that a demon would actually hard-claim being a demon when they could just communicate by moving my vote around.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
January 16 2012 22:55 GMT
#2046
If we take a look at what we know: 10 players live
Demons have at most a concealer with no power and a twister.
Wiggles, Syllogism, and RoL have flipped ????
The demons know what RoL was.
The AoD is still alive
HoD claims the twister targeted me last night.
HoD claims sage.
You claim that you are the corrupted town and you know a player is "not dark"
The DH was alive last night.
The demons have no protection against the DH.
There are only two lynch candidates:
HoD: who was essentially dead and VERY likely the AoD, was spared who claimed sage, and then claimed his accusor was protected by demons.
Me: his (remaining) accusor,

It would require phenomenal demon play phenomenally bad town play, and phenomenally worse town play for demons to win.



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HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
January 16 2012 23:03 GMT
#2047
Blazinghand, I think it might be worthwhile to reveal who was not dark. I also find it very unlikely layabout is an angel with how hard he is pushing for my lynch. I don't think an angel would want the sage dead this badly and have been twisted by the demons last night, although I suppose I could be wrong.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
January 16 2012 23:04 GMT
#2048
Why are you even playing Grack?

Syllo was also arguing that I was scum-buddies with RoL, a scenario that is now known by all to be 100% impossible, so don't go using his assumptions as the basis for your argument. I don't care whether you are demon or town right now, all I know is you are not an angel, and I am not an angel, and we really must kill an angel today. So let's do that, shall we? Hell, if you think I am an angel so much, please point out one of my angel scum buddies and let's lynch the shit out of him, ok?

how is it 100% possible
I think lynching the AoD is optimal, when you consider that no-one else has made an effort to find scum and that my effort has been defeated by "layabout was twisted last night" i see no point in trying to do more(yet i continue to ), as all it takes to stay alive in this thread is to sheep, barely post, not try, prove repeatedly that you have not read the OP, avoid taking stances and believe anything and everything that other players who also do this say.
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HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
January 16 2012 23:10 GMT
#2049
100% impossible
Well, first of all I am the sage so it was 100% impossible to begin with. But, RoL was either the channeler, or scum. If he was the channeler, obviously we can't be scum buddies, regardless of my alignment. If he was scum, then wiggles was the channeler and nobody has counterclaimed me, which therefore requires me being the sage. Or, you know, the sage to be absolutely fucking retarded.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
January 16 2012 23:18 GMT
#2050
@ thread ANSWER
is it 100% impossible for HoD and RoL to be scum-buddies based on the information that you have access to?
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Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
January 16 2012 23:24 GMT
#2051
^^ This. With the unknown flips we cannot be 100% certain who has flipped what, so the best we can do is to make reasonable assumptions.

HoD's sage claim has to stand because obviously, no one has counterclaimed it. And wiggles was channeled by virtue of te fact that RoL fake-claimed channeler because there was no way RoL was town. No way. So RoL is an angel, either acolyte or observer, because he knew that channeler was dead and he could try fake-claiming that role.

Jackal, you said you were confused by the flips. Does the above sound logical to you? If so, does your lynch target still stay as bluelightz?
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
January 16 2012 23:29 GMT
#2052
Meant to point to HoD's post not layabout's. And yes it is impossible because there was only one ??? Flip when the two of them claimed. Roll's claim was stealing wiggles role. Also explains why wiggles died, observer probably saw him banishing syllo, so he became a target. With the only ??? Flip confirmed at that time, now HoD is confirmed to be sage by virtue of there being no counter-claim. The only scenario that HoD could be lying was that syllo is the sage, and angels got really fucking lucky on killing him before day starts, because once there is a counterclaim HoD was gonna be lynched for sure.
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
January 16 2012 23:31 GMT
#2053
If Syllo was the sage, why on earth would he post this, directed at me, right before dying? There would be no "if you are town".
On January 16 2012 05:16 syllogism wrote:
If you are town, you should examine the wagon on you before you claimed and what people were saying. Actually I'm now reading it a bit and this is somewhat changing my view on things
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
January 16 2012 23:32 GMT
#2054
^angel number 2 (or 3)
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
January 16 2012 23:32 GMT
#2055
meant to point to refallen's post because i am incapable of expressing my opinion clearly by myself.
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HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
January 16 2012 23:50 GMT
#2056
@layabout
Look at this:
On January 14 2012 10:03 Grackaroni wrote:
EBWOP : in case I didn't make it clear.
##Vote: HarbingerOfDoom
he has a good chance of being the AoD and nobody wants to vote the people I think are likely to be scum.

On January 14 2012 03:53 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2012 02:20 layabout wrote:
On January 13 2012 11:10 Zephirdd wrote:
On January 13 2012 11:04 Refallen wrote:
That's retarded. After syllo posted his "I want to die", channeled should have taken the hint and roleblocked harbringer instead.


Or maybe he had the same logic as me? At least this now confirms syllo as town.

MrWiggles was town as well; He couldn't possibly be Demon(see his Palmar case). We just won't know if he was a blue or not.

TBH that was a poor decision by the AoD, unless he had actually found an Angel and was ready to push him. His last actions were attacking RoL. Apply Occam's Razor(The correct solution is usually the simplest one),

##Vote RoL

What is poor about the decision to kill and experienced player that had already caught 1 scum this game?


I just think it's a waste of game mechanics; Killing someone who people didn't knew would create a bigger confusion, as in "we don't know how many demons live". MrWiggles was obviously not a Demon, so it is kind of a waste of a mechanic. Granted, we don't know if he was a blue, but I don't think it matters as much at this point.


I like Grack's case on Spaackle; I still have a hard time to understand why HoD was jailed n1, and by who. Maybe his posts about mechanics made Palmar want him roleblocked? No idea, but I can't see HoD as scum from his filter.

RoL still looks like the best lynch, but we'll see what happens.
Then votes for me within the next 6 hours or so.

On January 14 2012 10:24 Bluelightz wrote:
@LB I'm back and should I vote?
On January 14 2012 10:27 Bluelightz wrote:
Okay, i'll wait for more people to start posting. Also, can you link me to cases against HoD?
On January 14 2012 10:33 Bluelightz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2012 10:31 Grackaroni wrote:
BL, why are you considering voting before even reading the cases?


"Hey everybody let's lynch HoD cmon"


Show nested quote +
On January 14 2012 08:12 layabout wrote:
Current Vote Count:
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 28 2011 15:42 ZBot wrote:
Vote count for the Day 3 Lynch.

With 13 alive, 7 votes are required to lynch.

Current votes:

HarbingerOfDoom (3): Tyrran, syllogism, layabout

RebirthOfLeGenD (2): Grackaroni, Zephirdd, Blazinghand, -Zephirdd

Spaackle (1): Zephirdd

Bluelightz (1): Jackal58

Blazinghand (1): RebirthOfLeGenD

The Day 3 deadline is at January 15 2012 10:00 KST. (That's approximately 1 day, 1:48:45 from now.)

Vote HarbingerOfDoom


On January 15 2012 04:03 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 04:00 syllogism wrote:
Now that you are here RoL, please move your vote to HoD

Fine, and yes, tomorrow you will get more from me. Significantly more. If you want, I can post all my suspects tomorrow but it doesn't make much sense when we can only lynch one at a time, but I will get around to it. I work all weak between the hours of 12-6 roughly, but around those times I will work in more analysis.

HoD, your claim seems of desperation and as I pointed out the correlation between you and BH and him not mentioning you at all for the last 3 pages of his filter don't sit right. That, and I know you are a better lynch than me.

On January 14 2012 10:49 Refallen wrote:
Honestly I don't know what to think of Bluelightz. He dosen't make any sense to me at all. I feel like no one is going to oppose lynching him, but then he might just as likely flip town vanilla, something that has happened countless times when we tried to go after people who aren't making any sense (again, election mafia comes to mind here).

That being said, HoD now has 5 votes. Tyrran and Grackaroni I'm not sure of, but I'm fairly certain layabout, syllo, and Zeph are all town. Jackal, what do you think of us two hammering? I feel like a switch is unlikely at this point.

Does that sound like a bunch of valid supporters to you, all wanting to lynch me for being scum?
Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
January 16 2012 23:55 GMT
#2057
On January 17 2012 08:29 Refallen wrote:
Meant to point to HoD's post not layabout's. And yes it is impossible because there was only one ??? Flip when the two of them claimed. Roll's claim was stealing wiggles role. Also explains why wiggles died, observer probably saw him banishing syllo, so he became a target. With the only ??? Flip confirmed at that time, now HoD is confirmed to be sage by virtue of there being no counter-claim. The only scenario that HoD could be lying was that syllo is the sage, and angels got really fucking lucky on killing him before day starts, because once there is a counterclaim HoD was gonna be lynched for sure.


The observer do not know who performed an action on a given player, neither does he know what action was performed on a given player.It doesnt explain at all why MrWiggle was the target.

Next, if we admit ( and while likely, it's stil not 100%) certain that HoD is sage? Why wouldnt you be scum ?

You pushed twice for lynching the layabout, because HoD claimed he was twisted. Next you want to lycnh Dirzkor: At first you claim he is scum for defending palmar, secondly you claim he is scumbuddy with RoL ( who you are certain he is scum, without any proof). In both case you are trying to focus on demons while it is obvious at this point that town should kill angels.

Also that would make RoL/palmar/Dirzkor demons, and not Layabout. Do you think this is likely?

I think you migth very well be an angel. You bussed RoL, and you want to makes us beleive he was scum because this would make you look good.

@HoD : Who do you think is the most likely to be the AoD? I'm still not sold on you being sage, but I'd like to hear your advice.

@BH : You should really reveal your non dark sense. I stated above that he would be a good target for investigation.
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
January 17 2012 00:00 GMT
#2058
Grackaroni is not dark.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
January 17 2012 00:04 GMT
#2059
-_- goddammit
I already told you he wasn't a demon.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
January 17 2012 00:04 GMT
#2060
Exactly! That's why he was perfect for investigating, becuase I know what the results mean.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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