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On January 17 2012 08:18 layabout wrote:
@ thread ANSWER
is it 100% impossible for HoD and RoL to be scum-buddies based on the information that you have access to?
Yes.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=102#2022
If that was the case, syllo would have to be the sage and Mr Wiggles would have to be the Channeler. And I think it is perfectly fine to assume that syllo was not the freaking sage.
So yes, either RoL was Angel or HoD is Angel, but not both. That's what is holding me back.
And it seems the demons refused our proposal. Fun fact Blazinghand, they actually can use you for communication instead of me, as of the latest FAQ.
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@Tyrran
I am not sure how to distinguish the AoD from any other angels, but I am rereading through the thread and filters now to see what might be some reasonable angel scum teams. AoD would be ideal, but I'll settle for any of them being lynched.
Oh yeah, and Wiggles is guaranteed to have been town-aligned. Angels wouldn't kill one of their own, and the twister and the concealer were alive during the day yesterday (concealer acted during the day, twister at night). I know it was already extremely likely he was town, but just thought that might be worth mentioning.
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@Blazinghand
So if the seer is alive, 2 vanilla towns remain. If not, 3 remain. Your not dark comes from one of the remaining vanillas or an angel.
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Tyrran if you think there's no basis for thinking RoL is an angel you are an idiot/scum
Also layabout if you think I'm an angel you're also scum/idiot
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On January 17 2012 08:24 Refallen wrote:
^^ This. With the unknown flips we cannot be 100% certain who has flipped what, so the best we can do is to make reasonable assumptions.
HoD's sage claim has to stand because obviously, no one has counterclaimed it. And wiggles was channeled by virtue of te fact that RoL fake-claimed channeler because there was no way RoL was town. No way. So RoL is an angel, either acolyte or observer, because he knew that channeler was dead and he could try fake-claiming that role.
Jackal, you said you were confused by the flips. Does the above sound logical to you? If so, does your lynch target still stay as bluelightz?
I'm not confused. I'm just lacking info. I have considered the possibilities that RoL was Angel. If he was everybodies assertion that we need to lynch an Angel is false. If Angels and Demons are at 2 each Demons have the upper hand due to their control of the lynch. If RoL was Channeler and Angels still have 3 members then yes an Angel lynch is imperative. They control KP.
There is also a possibility that RoL was a demon. That would explain his flip concealment. In 2 of those 3 scenarios we are better off lynching an Angel. I believe Bluelightz to be an Angel. So looking at it from what is our greatest chance of success at this point in the game yes I still want to lynch Bluelightz.
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RoL wouldn't have known to claim channeled if he was demon though
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@Jackal
We have the sage and demon hunter still and the demons lost their courier. So long as the demon hunter targets blazinghand, demons cannot have a majority tomorrow. They also wouldn't have one if I cleanse someone, or they try to corrupt an angel, or if the angels kill one of them or if the angels kill a corrupted town. We would then have an additional night to try to cleanse/kill them during which they cannot corrupt another person.
Even if they obtain a majority of votes tomorrow, they have to deal with me, the demon hunter, and the angels. If they out themselves and their corrupted townies to get me lynched, the demon hunter (assuming the angels don't kill him) and remaining angel(s) have a field day. Basically, we have a lot of outs for dealing with the demons. We only have lynching to deal with angels.
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We need to decide on a lynxh target. I do not mind lynching either dirkzor/Tyrran/layabout here
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Blazinghand
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On January 17 2012 10:31 Refallen wrote:
We need to decide on a lynxh target. I do not mind lynching either dirkzor/Tyrran/layabout here
We can't afford to not lynch an angel today. I think layabout is a demon since he was twisted...
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It seems like we've came to an agreement that we want to lynch an angel though.
I don't see Layabout flipping Angel. Bluelightz would be a much preferable lynch over layabout.
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My preferred target is dirkzor
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@Layabout
Who, if anyone, is an acceptable lynch to you besides myself.
Re: Bluelightz
I've read his filter through a couple times and it still confuses the hell out of me T_T, might be a decent last-resort option for today's lynch, but I'm going to keep reading to see if I can find people with more alignment-enlightening filters to go after today. Dirkzor defended Bluelightz early on for what it's worth:
I dislike a lynch on Bluelightz. He have been active and trying to contribute. How his contributions have helped town can be discussed but I take that as bad play rather then him being scum. He is just a guy who saids what he wants in one sentence. =)
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Blazinghand
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On January 17 2012 10:35 Grackaroni wrote:
It seems like we've came to an agreement that we want to lynch an angel though.
I don't see Layabout flipping Angel. Bluelightz would be a much preferable lynch over layabout.
This much should be obvious. We need to lynch an angel, even if there are only two. If we do not lynch an angel today, I don't see how town can win.
Why don't you see Layabout flipping Angel?
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I think these 3 are the most likely to be angels, however I think it is likely only 2 of these 3 are angels:
Bluelightz
Dirkzor
Tyrran
Although I am not sure if Dirkzor's suspicion of Tyrran is genuine or distancing, this quote from Tyrran is quite odd:
Dirkzor is not set in stone. Maybe we should not lynch him despite him being scummy, because he migth flip town.
I would also like to propose that if we get someone to 3 or 4 votes and they are a demon, they are free to claim to avoid the lynch. Since I think it is nigh impossible that Blazinghand could claim corrupted town as an angel, a vote-switch code with him to signify whether someone is falsely claiming demon could be established. This would allow demons to remain hidden unless we were going to lynch one anyway, and should prevent angels from false claiming demon to escape a lynch.
Thoughts on this? Anyone else have what they think might be an angel team?
If the seer is still alive, how many not-angel reads on still living people would justify a seer claim today?
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On January 17 2012 14:57 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 10:35 Grackaroni wrote:
It seems like we've came to an agreement that we want to lynch an angel though.
I don't see Layabout flipping Angel. Bluelightz would be a much preferable lynch over layabout. This much should be obvious. We need to lynch an angel, even if there are only two. If we do not lynch an angel today, I don't see how town can win. Why don't you see Layabout flipping Angel?
Maybe because he wants the sage dead really badly (and remember, the angels are certain that I am actually the sage given the lack of counter-claim), and because he was twisted by the demons last night?
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Blazinghand
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On January 17 2012 15:15 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 14:57 Blazinghand wrote:On January 17 2012 10:35 Grackaroni wrote:
It seems like we've came to an agreement that we want to lynch an angel though.
I don't see Layabout flipping Angel. Bluelightz would be a much preferable lynch over layabout. This much should be obvious. We need to lynch an angel, even if there are only two. If we do not lynch an angel today, I don't see how town can win. Why don't you see Layabout flipping Angel? Maybe because he wants the sage dead really badly (and remember, the angels are certain that I am actually the sage given the lack of counter-claim), and because he was twisted by the demons last night?
I agree. I was just trying to get grack to talk. What do you think about lynching grack
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Blazinghand
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The silence in here is deafening
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Blazinghand
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On December 28 2011 15:42 ZBot wrote:
The Day 4 deadline is at 2012-01-18 10:00:00 KST. (That's approximately 16:45:04 from now.)
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Blazinghand
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So uh yeah guys are we around or what? how are we feeling about lynching grackaroni
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