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BH did you read my peice on why i Believe RoL's claim instead of HoD's?
Refallen is looking scummy to me lately. If you look at his activity level it have been kinda low the entire game. But these last few days he have been VERY active. He haven't had a correct read yet and is as of late constantly trying to get me lynched. Since i know I'm town i find that scummy.
He continue to state that HoD is the sage as if it is a fact. It is NOT. He is pushing all the easy targets: Myself, Tyrran and Bluelightz. He say Layabout is demon because Lay want to lynch HoD (as angel = Refallen's buddy)
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Blazinghand
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Dirkzor what you think of Grack
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I think he is town.
If HoD is lying grack would have pushed HoD harder.
If HoD is telling the truth he is not demon, and i don't see him as angel (Don't see him as any scum tbh)
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I'll skim his filter again
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School was late today, I'm back.
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On January 17 2012 19:05 Dirkzor wrote:
BH did you read my peice on why i Believe RoL's claim instead of HoD's?
Refallen is looking scummy to me lately. If you look at his activity level it have been kinda low the entire game. But these last few days he have been VERY active. He haven't had a correct read yet and is as of late constantly trying to get me lynched. Since i know I'm town i find that scummy.
He continue to state that HoD is the sage as if it is a fact. It is NOT. He is pushing all the easy targets: Myself, Tyrran and Bluelightz. He say Layabout is demon because Lay want to lynch HoD (as angel = Refallen's buddy)
...Tell me how we're still considering HoD's sage claim as not confirmed right now? Tell me in what possible situation would that be true? The only way for sage claim to be not true is for our own sage to be fucking idiotic and not counterclaiming.
And yes, I have been very active because for the first time in a while we haven't have had a clear lynch target where everyone was getting behind with, and syllo who was leading town has also died, so obviously we need to step up. You are not an easy target, if I was scum I would much rather push Tyrran and Bluelightz. But I have a real read that you are scum, and I hope people can see that.
I know Jackal was saying how he thought you were scum earlier in the game. Jackal, what do you think of Dirkzor now?
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Because Wiggles could be the sage and RoL was the real channeler... how is that not obvious?
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And also if you think I'm scum tell me why. Because your last attempt to set me up as scum was bad and since then you just stated that you think I'm scum expecting Jackal to back you up since he called me scum the entire game... Thats why I'm an easy target right now...
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Do you really think RoL can ever be town after he claimed vanilla townie in his plan? Really? And comment on my previous case first.
Another reason why I think you're scum is because no townie can actually be thinking RoL is town here.
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READ THE FUCKING THREAD!
READ THE FUCKING THREAD, part 2
So yeah I agree with you on the VT claim before his blue claim. But RoL addressed this (wont find his post as im in a hurry now) with him wanting to get the ball rolling on the claims. If no one supported his plan he did not want to claim a blue role. I agree that a better way would be to just not claim VT, but I don't fund it unlikely that it could have been the other way around.
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The moment he claimed VT and still proposed the plan is definite-confirmed scum. There is no justification for claiming VT, no matter what RoL says. Imagine if we actually adopted the plan and started claiming. If RoL says all of a sudden, as sage, that "oh sorry guys i'm blue haha" town would lynch him instantly.
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On January 17 2012 08:10 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
100% impossible
Well, first of all I am the sage so it was 100% impossible to begin with. But, RoL was either the channeler, or scum. If he was the channeler, obviously we can't be scum buddies, regardless of my alignment. If he was scum, then wiggles was the channeler and nobody has counterclaimed me, which therefore requires me being the sage. Or, you know, the sage to be absolutely fucking retarded.
On January 17 2012 08:24 Refallen wrote:
^^ This. With the unknown flips we cannot be 100% certain who has flipped what, so the best we can do is to make reasonable assumptions.
HoD's sage claim has to stand because obviously, no one has counterclaimed it. And wiggles was channeled by virtue of te fact that RoL fake-claimed channeler because there was no way RoL was town. No way. So RoL is an angel, either acolyte or observer, because he knew that channeler was dead and he could try fake-claiming that role.
Jackal, you said you were confused by the flips. Does the above sound logical to you? If so, does your lynch target still stay as bluelightz?
On January 17 2012 08:29 Refallen wrote:
Meant to point to HoD's post not layabout's. And yes it is impossible because there was only one ??? Flip when the two of them claimed. Roll's claim was stealing wiggles role. Also explains why wiggles died, observer probably saw him banishing syllo, so he became a target. With the only ??? Flip confirmed at that time, now HoD is confirmed to be sage by virtue of there being no counter-claim. The only scenario that HoD could be lying was that syllo is the sage, and angels got really fucking lucky on killing him before day starts, because once there is a counterclaim HoD was gonna be lynched for sure.
The actual question.
On January 17 2012 08:18 layabout wrote:
@ thread ANSWER
is it 100% impossible for HoD and RoL to be scum-buddies based on the information that you have access to?
+ Show Spoiler +underlined statements are based upon assumptions + he even outlines one of the possible scenario in which HoD could not be the sage, yet does not explain how he can be sure that RoL and HoD could not both be scum in that scenario and then says it is impossible for HoD and RoL to both be scum.
Seeing as Refallen is making assumptions about unknown information there is no way that it could be 100% impossible for HoD and RoL to be on the same team.
Refallen is telling us that certain flips are 100% confrimed based upon assumptions about how players would act what players would flip and speculation.
No-one is publicly confirmed anything until they flip.*
Refallen is lying to you to stop you from lynching HoD.
*+ Show Spoiler +technically there are scenarios in which it is possible to work out what all of the remaining roles are and use you own alignment and DT checks to become 100% sure of a living players flip
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Thankfully the townies are convinced I'm town so it's nice to see how the scum are outing themselves voting for me
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no one has voted for you except for BH at the start of the day
On December 28 2011 15:42 ZBot wrote:
Vote count for the Day 4 Lynch.
With 10 alive, 6 votes are required to lynch.
Current votes:
layabout (1): Blazinghand, -Blazinghand, Blazinghand
HarbingerOfDoom (1): layabout
Refallen (0): Blazinghand, -Blazinghand
The Day 4 deadline is at 2012-01-18 10:00:00 KST. (That's approximately 11:20:10 from now.)
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Sorry, trying to get me lynched is probably a more accurate term.
Anyhow, I'll be going to bed soon. I'll wake up earlier (3 hours or so before deadline hopefully) so hopefully by that time we have a clear lynch on Dirkzor/Bluelightz/Tyrran where I can just hammer. Peace.
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you have made not attempted to prove your innocence and you persistently mislead people.
You openly admit to not putting in effort.
Please do not sign up for games.
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On January 17 2012 21:07 Refallen wrote:
The moment he claimed VT and still proposed the plan is definite-confirmed scum. There is no justification for claiming VT, no matter what RoL says. Imagine if we actually adopted the plan and started claiming. If RoL says all of a sudden, as sage, that "oh sorry guys i'm blue haha" town would lynch him instantly.
Wrong. After RoL claimed VT he could later have claimed channeler without it looking suspicious. As he had already claimed VT he could wait for everyone else to claim. The channeler would be missing and he could then claim channeler and most would believe him because no one else claimed channeler. If someone else claimed channeler before him he could counter-claim and town would lynch RoL (and get channeler), but after that we would lycnh the person who claimed channeler as he was lying.
I'm agreeing more and more with Layabout. It appears as Refallen and HoD are buddy-ing up. They are getting their story straight as they say.
Now the big question is: Which one is the AoD? HoD would be the obvious choice. Unless AoD hit Syllo first night which I don't think is unlikely.
I want to lynch Refallen or HoD as of now.
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I think it's quite clear that I'm one of the most townie people to anyone with half a brain.
You're the one misleading people by still dwelling on HoD claim. Makes no sense. Yes, we cannot be 100% sure but it is waaaaaaaaaay highly super tiltingly likelier that the sage claim is true than him being an angel. Your case on me is, "oh, BUT WE CAN'T BE 100% SURE THAT THIS GUY IS TOWN SO REFALLEN IS SCUM." What a fucking bullshit case. Who's the one trying to mislead people here?
I never openly admit to not putting in effort. In fact, I said the opposite; I do care about the game, despite the fact that I'm not spamming as much as some other people. I just don't see a need to post huge amounts of cases or spam many one-liners unless I have to.
If you're town, you're an idiot, and you shouldn't sign up for games.
But you're not town so that's ok.
I hope the DH kills you tonight.
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On January 17 2012 23:19 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 21:07 Refallen wrote:
The moment he claimed VT and still proposed the plan is definite-confirmed scum. There is no justification for claiming VT, no matter what RoL says. Imagine if we actually adopted the plan and started claiming. If RoL says all of a sudden, as sage, that "oh sorry guys i'm blue haha" town would lynch him instantly.
Wrong. After RoL claimed VT he could later have claimed channeler without it looking suspicious. As he had already claimed VT he could wait for everyone else to claim. The channeler would be missing and he could then claim channeler and most would believe him because no one else claimed channeler. If someone else claimed channeler before him he could counter-claim and town would lynch RoL (and get channeler), but after that we would lycnh the person who claimed channeler as he was lying. I'm agreeing more and more with Layabout. It appears as Refallen and HoD are buddy-ing up. They are getting their story straight as they say. Now the big question is: Which one is the AoD? HoD would be the obvious choice. Unless AoD hit Syllo first night which I don't think is unlikely. I want to lynch Refallen or HoD as of now.
Funny, I find you and layabout to be buddying up much more strongly. Which kind of sucks, because I thought you were an angel. Now I'm thinking you might be a demon.
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