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On December 15 2011 03:30 Arctocod wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:16 MarserBlood wrote:
Im rereading and trying to get a grip on what happened between the retreat of arctocod and the actual election, because i think that there must be some mafia influence there.
also arcto, why would you lynch me? I wouldn't lynch you, I would vigi you. The issue is that you aren't posting enough and your style is making it quite difficult to read you. I'm also not familiar with your playstyle at all, since you subbed into XLVII when the game was pretty much over. The fact you are here right now is helping.
Ow sorry my bad for misreading. I hope to be of help.
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On December 15 2011 03:30 risk.nuke wrote:
You're the guys with double moral. You want to elect a good player despite alignment to keep them alive, the next thing you want to shoot dropbear because he hasn't done anything yet. That's a load of... ... ... and as far as I am concerned by beeing quiet dropbear atleast haven't caused town a ton of harm like radfield. You didn't even comment on what you thought of me running to keep it out of scumhands. wtf was that. I mean you should atleast have said what you thought of it, good idea, bad idea, something but the fact that you just ignored it and told everyone to vote the professors makes me so damn uneasy on you and it's by far the scummiest thing I think you did last night.
And greymist as far as I am aware is just decent at mafia, plain average. And if I were a vig I'd vig the one I have get mountainhigh scumchills on without hesitation.
Have you even played with dropbear before?
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On December 15 2011 03:36 Arctocod wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:30 risk.nuke wrote:
You're the guys with double moral. You want to elect a good player despite alignment to keep them alive, the next thing you want to shoot dropbear because he hasn't done anything yet. That's a load of... ... ... and as far as I am concerned by beeing quiet dropbear atleast haven't caused town a ton of harm like radfield. You didn't even comment on what you thought of me running to keep it out of scumhands. wtf was that. I mean you should atleast have said what you thought of it, good idea, bad idea, something but the fact that you just ignored it and told everyone to vote the professors makes me so damn uneasy on you and it's by far the scummiest thing I think you did last night.
And greymist as far as I am aware is just decent at mafia, plain average. And if I were a vig I'd vig the one I have get mountainhigh scumchills on without hesitation. Have you even played with dropbear before?
Yes in xlv, but I'm not really sure how he played that game. I am of the understanding that he is a good player, am I wrong becauuse that's the only relevant thing, not if I've played with him before.
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United States2095 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:34 zeks wrote:
Sheth you ask an overwhelming amount of questions and reasoning for seemingly everything and if I don't answer in an allotted time thats supposed to be a scum tell
I understand you probably have some bad blood against me just cause I built a long case on you a while back but go filter me and you'll see I've been pro town the whole time with nothing to hide
I just went through and did just that. You've said a few things that seemed off in our little 2 hourish time constraint thing. But yea I see what where your coming from when you said those things. The wording and the way you said it didn't make too much sense at first to me. I didn't realize how you said Nisani was a town at the end of that post. I'm ok with you now. After clearing that up I see where your coming from. As just a side point, the thing I found weird during our time constraint, was that you agreed with Evantrees to do a RNG on Pardoner. However again, I think your townie after re-reading your stuff yet again.
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On December 15 2011 03:40 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:34 zeks wrote:
Sheth you ask an overwhelming amount of questions and reasoning for seemingly everything and if I don't answer in an allotted time thats supposed to be a scum tell
I understand you probably have some bad blood against me just cause I built a long case on you a while back but go filter me and you'll see I've been pro town the whole time with nothing to hide I just went through and did just that. You've said a few things that seemed off in our little 2 hourish time constraint thing. But yea I see what where your coming from when you said those things. The wording and the way you said it didn't make too much sense at first to me. I didn't realize how you said Nisani was a town at the end of that post. I'm ok with you now. After clearing that up I see where your coming from. As just a side point, the thing I found weird during our time constraint, was that you agreed with Evantrees to do a RNG on Pardoner. However again, I think your townie after re-reading your stuff yet again.
The RNG on pardoner was my idea
He agreed with me
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United States2095 Posts
@zeks Also having gone over most of the recent posts this morning other then that thing with you, the main person I thought looked the scummiest was Evantrees. Could you filter him and see if you agree? I'm going to look through his filter again as well.
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Vatican City State258 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:40 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:36 Arctocod wrote:On December 15 2011 03:30 risk.nuke wrote:
You're the guys with double moral. You want to elect a good player despite alignment to keep them alive, the next thing you want to shoot dropbear because he hasn't done anything yet. That's a load of... ... ... and as far as I am concerned by beeing quiet dropbear atleast haven't caused town a ton of harm like radfield. You didn't even comment on what you thought of me running to keep it out of scumhands. wtf was that. I mean you should atleast have said what you thought of it, good idea, bad idea, something but the fact that you just ignored it and told everyone to vote the professors makes me so damn uneasy on you and it's by far the scummiest thing I think you did last night.
And greymist as far as I am aware is just decent at mafia, plain average. And if I were a vig I'd vig the one I have get mountainhigh scumchills on without hesitation. Have you even played with dropbear before? Yes in xlv, but I'm not really sure how he played that game. I am of the understanding that he is a good player, am I wrong becauuse that's the only relevant thing, not if I've played with him before.
sorry but DB isnt a great player. i guess that was kurumis game where he claimed scum to me: "are you really the spy?" at night via pm LOL!
we shot him right after that
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United States2095 Posts
@Zeks gotcha, I'm getting a clean read from you now, no worries. I'll stlll be watching, but I'm pretty happy with your defence.
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On December 15 2011 03:26 Radfield wrote:zeks, I think those lists you put together are simply a list of the players who were active in the last two hours of the day. Basing our actions on them is a bad idea in my opinion. I would prefer players go off who they think is scummy based on posting, not voting. At least for tonight. + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2011 23:15 zeks wrote:
Lynch
Spaackle (11):
ProfessorBadass
Eiii
Refallen
-ProfessorBadass
Radfield
xsksc
GreYMisT
evantrees
ProfessorBadass
Liquid`Sheth
nyczbrandon
risk.nuke
MrZentor
Election ProfessorBadass (7):
GreYMisT
xsksc
prplhz
GiygaS
-GiygaS
GiygaS
Eiii
Refallen
Radfield
For potential dts:
GreyMist, xsksc, Eiii would be great checks for tonight
For any vigs:
And shoot Zentor cause his unlynchable claim reeks of bs
Eiii has been scummy on posting, his activity has been suspect, and stack on top of that his voting
The worst is the fact that in these two lists there are multiple lurkers who suddenly all rose from the dead right before the lynch and stacked on someone with limited reasoning
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:30 risk.nuke wrote:
You're the guys with double moral. You want to elect a good player despite alignment to keep them alive, the next thing you want to shoot dropbear because he hasn't done anything yet. That's a load of... ... ... and as far as I am concerned by beeing quiet dropbear atleast haven't caused town a ton of harm like radfield. You didn't even comment on what you thought of me running to keep it out of scumhands. wtf was that. I mean you should atleast have said what you thought of it, good idea, bad idea, something but the fact that you just ignored it and told everyone to vote the professors makes me so damn uneasy on you and it's by far the scummiest thing I think you did last night.
And greymist as far as I am aware is just decent at mafia, plain average. And if I were a vig I'd vig the one I have get mountainhigh scumchills on without hesitation.
I guess the disconnect here is that I haven't ever been in a game with dropbear where he has played well. OK yes, but not well. I would put him almost in the exact same boat as greymist, though it's possible dropbear has played well in games I have not seen.
As far as my actions last night, I wanted to get the election talk out of the way and move onto the lynch. Ideal scenario for mafia is Arctocod withdraws, and we spend the rest of the time bickering about who gets elected. Curu can play a strong game of mafia, and is a likely hit if he is town. If not him I would have chosen prplhz. I think you are far less likely to die tonight then you think you are.
What specifically points you towards scum on greymist. I see him as pretty likely town right now.
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On December 15 2011 03:43 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
@zeks Also having gone over most of the recent posts this morning other then that thing with you, the main person I thought looked the scummiest was Evantrees. Could you filter him and see if you agree? I'm going to look through his filter again as well.
Evantrees
States its his first game
Posts nothing of content
Talked a bit about no pardon no exception rule - I'm afraid this subject was over discussed and some people may have used that as a safe topic to feign activity in
"Kidnapped" - when referring to Arc's disappearance. Scumslip? Don't think so...
On the wagon of Spaackles - seems like a townie sheep action
Posted too little for a decent read really. Not a strong candidate for check/vig/lynch right now. A couple other lurkers have acted scummier than him
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On December 14 2011 12:31 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 12:24 zeks wrote:
Switching through 3~ish candidates in the last minutes is pretty bad Radfield
Hope it doesnt come to this tomorrow. Yep, that seems to be my style these days  Day 1 is not my strong suit, but I can guarantee I will do better Day 2 I have plenty of time over the next few days. If I was scum, I would doublestack Arctocod tonight. I highly recommend all medics cover them, it leaves mafia free to snipe other players, but I think that is an OK trade-off. There is a chance that Arctocod removed themselves in order to buy town credit. I find this highly unlikely: 1. If Arctocod was scum, they would have removed me from office, as I am far more likely to find them out than any other player. 2. That would be a substantial waste of a very important role. We don't know what elections will be in the future, and some may be very beneficial for mafia to get. Using it now to buy a little town cred is a waste. 3. Mafia wants the elected roles filled with mafia. If they used the ability on themselves it simply allows a chance for a different townie to get elected.
Originally I was 90% sure Arc was confirmed town. This post got me thinking a bit harder. Radfield's reasoning has a few holes imo.
Pt 1: If they removed Radfield from office, what does it do but put place Radfield in the same position Arc is, a virtually confirmed townie? This would be the worst move scum Arc can do.
Pt 2: Buying a little town cred? The evidence in the thread shouts otherwise. Arc is being treated as a virtually confirmed townie. No one is questioning. In fact, Radfield is the only one who even raised some late suspicions. People are trusting and sending Arc stuff like Jistu/Giygas.
Arc has picked up on this and started acting with the authority of a confirmed townie with posts like this:
On December 14 2011 22:30 Arctocod wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:19 xsksc wrote:
so I went with the person I believed to be scummier in this game. now on, you just do whatever we tell you to do.
On December 14 2011 21:41 Arctocod wrote:
prplhz, even in the very unlikely chance he's scum, he's at least devoted himself this game to protect me and syllo and agree with us a ton, so in the tiny, tiny chance he's scum, he cannot do any damage because he's forced to agree with us.
Isn't the mayor/pardoner role supposed to protect vets from being killed instead of whoever agrees with you? Just because prplhz has agreed with Arc so far, doesn't mean prplhz will and must do so in the future on all issues.
There is a call for all medics to be put on Arc. So now all our medics are being tied up. That's a huge concrete benefit.
And the issue is it is THE perfectly logical outcome when I think about it. If Arc is truly town, we cannot risk Mafia doublestacking on him. There isn't any other options for our medics.
Pt 3: The elected roles today are valuable for being unkillable. Mafia doesn't need to fear being night killed as much. In any case, Arc will enjoy the safety net of medics. While he loses an office today, he will be elected for the best offices in the future. Is there any doubt Arc is going to get his pick of offices tomorrow, that could actually prove more useful? Furthermore, as can be seen from thread itself, it confirms them and simultaneously places suspicion on the townie that is elected. In fact, town conversation can be directed towards said townie and away from other matters.
Arc has let slip that he doesn't think too highly of the townies present, so a powerplay like this suddenly seems more plausible.
That's all I have the energy for now, I will be back later.
P.S Formatting is shit work zzz.
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United States2095 Posts
@Zeks like who?
I feel like Evantrees is either bad scum, or bad townie. Not really recomending we do a Check/Vig tonight, but would like to discuss Lynch if hes still around tomorrow.
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By the way if mafia planned the withdrawal at all and had a viable candidate to replace me, it's quite likely that there were several mafia voting for me, as that gives them excuse to switch once the withdrawal occurs.
/syllogism
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Going to the gym, picking up my computer. Will be back before night is over. Will be on my phone reading over everything.
Please lets during the night, really focus on who we want Vig shotted. I don't think figuring out who we want rolechecked is smart and we already know who the medics are on.
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I'm up to page 20. I think I like risk.nuke the most for scum at this moment. Still reading.
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For any vigs:
And shoot Zentor cause his unlynchable claim reeks of bs
I can be lynched, I just couldn't be lynched that night. Don't put words into my mouth.
I'm pretty useless now....
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On December 15 2011 03:58 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:30 risk.nuke wrote:
You're the guys with double moral. You want to elect a good player despite alignment to keep them alive, the next thing you want to shoot dropbear because he hasn't done anything yet. That's a load of... ... ... and as far as I am concerned by beeing quiet dropbear atleast haven't caused town a ton of harm like radfield. You didn't even comment on what you thought of me running to keep it out of scumhands. wtf was that. I mean you should atleast have said what you thought of it, good idea, bad idea, something but the fact that you just ignored it and told everyone to vote the professors makes me so damn uneasy on you and it's by far the scummiest thing I think you did last night.
And greymist as far as I am aware is just decent at mafia, plain average. And if I were a vig I'd vig the one I have get mountainhigh scumchills on without hesitation. I guess the disconnect here is that I haven't ever been in a game with dropbear where he has played well. OK yes, but not well. I would put him almost in the exact same boat as greymist, though it's possible dropbear has played well in games I have not seen. As far as my actions last night, I wanted to get the election talk out of the way and move onto the lynch. Ideal scenario for mafia is Arctocod withdraws, and we spend the rest of the time bickering about who gets elected. Curu can play a strong game of mafia, and is a likely hit if he is town. If not him I would have chosen prplhz. I think you are far less likely to die tonight then you think you are. What specifically points you towards scum on greymist. I see him as pretty likely town right now.
I would like to know this as well, I've been asking him about it all game long.
Why do you insist on taking extreme action on the baseless assumptions that I am scum and Dropbear is mafia? you are so sure and yet you have not said a single thing to back it up, other than just having "instinct". Contrast this with your town play in newbie mafia where you were killed because you were starting to make sense and were one of the only players using logic. Hate to make it seem like an OMGUS, but unless I see more of that risk.nuke and less of the current one, you will continue to shift from "misguided townie" to "scum"
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On December 15 2011 04:15 MrZentor wrote:I can be lynched, I just couldn't be lynched that night. Don't put words into my mouth. I'm pretty useless now....
What is your role name
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Bumatlarge will be replacing DropBear
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