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On December 08 2011 23:37 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 23:29 hyshes wrote:@palmar The people on Annul's wagon have nothing to do with whether or not you should be supporting it.
Common.. what kind of logic is this? If i have suspicon about all the people voting for annul.. no way i'm going to vote with them. At that moment it doesn't matter what kind of case there is. I'm just not voting on anyone together with players i don't trust. Anyways, i'm not voting anyone you push forward. I'm going to follow toad's case on errandor here. If you have a justified reason to believe the people voting annul are scum, then it's very likely the case on it's own should be too weak to follow anyway. So yes, this is logic. It's simply incorrect to dismiss a case based on the presumption that some players presenting or supporting the case might be scum, if the case is valid enough it should be followed.
You got a point there. But in this case it's void. The case against annul is from you and you are the untrustworthy one, together with the rest of these voters on annul.
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On December 08 2011 23:34 annul wrote:
"Here's the deal, this is in no way a blue claim,"
maybe you just dont speak english or understand ambiguity in pronouns, i dunno. pretty sure we established what exactly i saw and pretty sure the other alternative interpretation was brought forward. pretty sure we dropped it a while ago. so there goes the first half of your "case" lol
"What the shit is a blueslip, there is no such thing."
i explained it, if you actually read my filter i said a while ago that it was analogous to a scumslip.
"What has Soap's alignment to do with me? I called him my homeboy, so if I'm right I must be scum?"
it has to do with you forcing a jack to blow his wad for absolutely no reason. really dumb move.
"He hasn't even pushed a case against me today."
you are right about this. it would be so easy, too. at one point it was 5-4 me:you (5-5 if i voted). and i didnt act like a complete anti-town tard on day 1. i could have you lynched so easily. the time when i actually decide to go all out logic and debate on someone they never recover.
"annul claimed to have been saved by a medic, from a shot I am all but certain was fired by syllogism, "
this has what exactly to do with my alignment?
like the bottom line is palmar has a maaaaaaaaaaaassively strong meta to blindly OMGUS anyone who pressures him for any reason. of course now is no different.
No, there is no thing as a blueslip, you're pulling prplhz's very simple sentence out of context. Remember, English isn't his first language, and isn't mine either, so he should be given the benefit of the doubt.
What's interesting about the Soap thing is... how would you have reacted if Soap flipped scum? Wouldn't that make me even more likely to be scum, given how I'd been defending him? The reason it has nothing to do with my alignment is that a) you knew he'd flip green, and b) you'd have considered me scum either way. If he flipped red, you'd have called me scum for defending me, if he flipped green you'd have called me scum anyway, as you clearly stated yourself.
And no, you can't get me lynched, you don't have any logic that can help you survive this because I have right on my side.
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On December 08 2011 23:43 hyshes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 23:37 Palmar wrote:On December 08 2011 23:29 hyshes wrote:@palmar The people on Annul's wagon have nothing to do with whether or not you should be supporting it.
Common.. what kind of logic is this? If i have suspicon about all the people voting for annul.. no way i'm going to vote with them. At that moment it doesn't matter what kind of case there is. I'm just not voting on anyone together with players i don't trust. Anyways, i'm not voting anyone you push forward. I'm going to follow toad's case on errandor here. If you have a justified reason to believe the people voting annul are scum, then it's very likely the case on it's own should be too weak to follow anyway. So yes, this is logic. It's simply incorrect to dismiss a case based on the presumption that some players presenting or supporting the case might be scum, if the case is valid enough it should be followed. You got a point there. But in this case it's void. The case against annul is from you and you are the untrustworthy one, together with the rest of these voters on annul.
Of course I have a point.
I'm not untrustworthy until you can prove I'm untrustworthy. So make a case against me and try to get me lynched, or support me otherwise. You have to explain why my case is wrong if you're not gonna support it. You can't just say "Palmar's kinda scummy so I'm not supporting it, and gonna go with that random lurker instead".
I said it in that speech....
People will be remembered for what they do here today. How do you want your legacy to be?
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On December 08 2011 23:41 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 23:38 Toadesstern wrote:On December 08 2011 23:28 Palmar wrote:On December 08 2011 23:19 Mattchew wrote:On December 08 2011 23:12 Palmar wrote:On December 08 2011 22:59 Toadesstern wrote:On December 08 2011 22:50 Palmar wrote:On December 08 2011 22:42 Toadesstern wrote:
I still like my Erandorr case way more for the same reasons I already said yesterday. Those people on Annul right now are just not the most confirmed townies around to put it that way. That wagon formed so fast although it came to a halt that I just got a bad feeling of mafia influence here. I mean I got a case on erandorr and he's on Annul. That's not a good sign for me. Drazerk who's still a liar to me until he gets a confirmed save is not exactly the kind of guy I'd like on a bus as well.
Just look at erandorr for a second palmar. That guy did everything I expected, did a bigger post to protect himself and started one-liners right afterwards. I called him out for this behaviour, he made a bigger post in which he admits that his filter looks pretty damning but finishes along the lines "well but I'm a townie and I am really sorry I'm screwing town right now! I am willing to help you guys no matter what just shoot me a question". So people came along hugging him like a little baby that's told that it's not his fault and that everything's going to be okay.
Guess what? I asked him a simple question straight away after his post. He still hasn't answered, still somehow people think he's looking more town now with his most recent post because I guess people feel sorry for him. This is a cheap trick. The people on Annul's wagon have nothing to do with whether or not you should be supporting it. You should simply look at the strength of the case and determine for yourself if it's valid enough to earn him your vote. If you always consider who else shares your opinion you'll never get anywhere because nothing stops mafia from bussing teammates. I have looked at Errandor. There is nothing about his play that conclusively puts him down as scum. Sure, there are questionable things in there, but that's not a reason to lynch him today. I'm offering you a good opportunity to gauge his alignment by lynching annul. Lynching Errandor will not solve anything that's going on in town now. It's basically an excuse for lynching a scummy lurker. That was for day 1, today we're going after mafia. And I just gave you mafia. EBWOP: You're even contradicting yourself wtf. So you're saying when it's not okay to not lynch annul because of what other people think about him but it's okay to do so with erandorr after a lynch? Woah, are you intentionally being thick? There is no way to tell anything about the alignment of a person being bandwagoned or followed by looking at the people following them. This is because you cannot scumhunt against player a based on the actions of player b. Thus you cannot deduce annul's alignment by looking at who's voting for him. However, you can deduce a player's alignment by looking at whom he's voting for. Because in that scenario you're evaluating player a's alignment based on the actions of player a. To make it simple: Annul is not responsible for the people voting him, and I'm not responsible for the people sheeping my case (which everyone should be doing). Thus: The people on Annul's wagon have nothing to do with whether or not you should be supporting it.Errandor is however responsible for his own vote, and his own decision for following me, thus: I'm offering you a good opportunity to gauge his [Errandor's] alignment by lynching annul.If you fail to see the difference of people being responsible for their own actions, and people being responsible for other's actions, I'm not sure I can help you. Woah, are you intentionally being thick? He's saying that you cant say "don't look at who votes annul" followed by "watch how erandorr votes" Why not? If toad thinks Erandorr is mafia, and Erandorr votes for annul, that should have no impact on whether or not the case against annul is valid, because Erandorr isn't annul, they're seperate people. Toad could be wrong about Erandorr, I could be wrong about annul, and Erandorr could be bussing annul. You cannot read anything about whether or not the annul wagon is valid based on who is on it. However, while the fact Erandorr votes for annul says nothing about annul, it does say a lot about Erandorr, because... Erandorr is Erandorr. I don't get what's complicated about this. First of all, you just said it. Even if you're right and annul is mafia there's no new read on erandorr. The guy voted for annul after something like 4 votes were on him after an incredible fast time? If you're right this could be a bus and this gives me 0 information about erandorr. How am I supposed to to gauge erandorrs alignment based on the flip? This is incredible wifom to the max. Erandorr could be a townie sheeping you if annul is red. (or he came to the same conclusion without telling us) Erandorr could be a townie sheeping you if annul is green. (or he came to the same conclusion without telling us) Erandorr could be a mafia bussing annul if annul is red. Erandorr could be a mafia getting a green-lynch if annul is green. That's when you apply the "it's not what people do, but how they do it, that should be looked at" rule. If you're town, please come back and re-read this entire thing because you're being so wrong and bad at the moment that if you somehow justify your arguments to yourself, you will never improve.
okay give it a try, enlighten me and explain me where I'm wrong here becaue I can't see it.
I'd say all 4 make sense because "how" erandorr was doing it was " ! Vote" and that's it. That's why I put sheeping in the top 2 ones instead of what I have in brackets. However the same thing could happen when bussing or trying to get a green-lynch because this is, again, wifom.
I'm standing by my point that there's no informationgain on erandorr, at all.
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Saying that soap is your "homeboy" and almost sarcastically agreeing with him on RNG'n (especially when your vote is anon) does not mean you were supportive of him. If you re-read your filter it reads as a very disingenuous "friendship" between you and soap.
You should probably drop the I liked soap, he flipped green, therefore I'm green routine. Atleast with me it's not making you look less scummy, infact quite the opposite
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On December 08 2011 23:49 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 23:41 Palmar wrote:On December 08 2011 23:38 Toadesstern wrote:On December 08 2011 23:28 Palmar wrote:On December 08 2011 23:19 Mattchew wrote:On December 08 2011 23:12 Palmar wrote:On December 08 2011 22:59 Toadesstern wrote:On December 08 2011 22:50 Palmar wrote:On December 08 2011 22:42 Toadesstern wrote:
I still like my Erandorr case way more for the same reasons I already said yesterday. Those people on Annul right now are just not the most confirmed townies around to put it that way. That wagon formed so fast although it came to a halt that I just got a bad feeling of mafia influence here. I mean I got a case on erandorr and he's on Annul. That's not a good sign for me. Drazerk who's still a liar to me until he gets a confirmed save is not exactly the kind of guy I'd like on a bus as well.
Just look at erandorr for a second palmar. That guy did everything I expected, did a bigger post to protect himself and started one-liners right afterwards. I called him out for this behaviour, he made a bigger post in which he admits that his filter looks pretty damning but finishes along the lines "well but I'm a townie and I am really sorry I'm screwing town right now! I am willing to help you guys no matter what just shoot me a question". So people came along hugging him like a little baby that's told that it's not his fault and that everything's going to be okay.
Guess what? I asked him a simple question straight away after his post. He still hasn't answered, still somehow people think he's looking more town now with his most recent post because I guess people feel sorry for him. This is a cheap trick. The people on Annul's wagon have nothing to do with whether or not you should be supporting it. You should simply look at the strength of the case and determine for yourself if it's valid enough to earn him your vote. If you always consider who else shares your opinion you'll never get anywhere because nothing stops mafia from bussing teammates. I have looked at Errandor. There is nothing about his play that conclusively puts him down as scum. Sure, there are questionable things in there, but that's not a reason to lynch him today. I'm offering you a good opportunity to gauge his alignment by lynching annul. Lynching Errandor will not solve anything that's going on in town now. It's basically an excuse for lynching a scummy lurker. That was for day 1, today we're going after mafia. And I just gave you mafia. EBWOP: You're even contradicting yourself wtf. So you're saying when it's not okay to not lynch annul because of what other people think about him but it's okay to do so with erandorr after a lynch? Woah, are you intentionally being thick? There is no way to tell anything about the alignment of a person being bandwagoned or followed by looking at the people following them. This is because you cannot scumhunt against player a based on the actions of player b. Thus you cannot deduce annul's alignment by looking at who's voting for him. However, you can deduce a player's alignment by looking at whom he's voting for. Because in that scenario you're evaluating player a's alignment based on the actions of player a. To make it simple: Annul is not responsible for the people voting him, and I'm not responsible for the people sheeping my case (which everyone should be doing). Thus: The people on Annul's wagon have nothing to do with whether or not you should be supporting it.Errandor is however responsible for his own vote, and his own decision for following me, thus: I'm offering you a good opportunity to gauge his [Errandor's] alignment by lynching annul.If you fail to see the difference of people being responsible for their own actions, and people being responsible for other's actions, I'm not sure I can help you. Woah, are you intentionally being thick? He's saying that you cant say "don't look at who votes annul" followed by "watch how erandorr votes" Why not? If toad thinks Erandorr is mafia, and Erandorr votes for annul, that should have no impact on whether or not the case against annul is valid, because Erandorr isn't annul, they're seperate people. Toad could be wrong about Erandorr, I could be wrong about annul, and Erandorr could be bussing annul. You cannot read anything about whether or not the annul wagon is valid based on who is on it. However, while the fact Erandorr votes for annul says nothing about annul, it does say a lot about Erandorr, because... Erandorr is Erandorr. I don't get what's complicated about this. First of all, you just said it. Even if you're right and annul is mafia there's no new read on erandorr. The guy voted for annul after something like 4 votes were on him after an incredible fast time? If you're right this could be a bus and this gives me 0 information about erandorr. How am I supposed to to gauge erandorrs alignment based on the flip? This is incredible wifom to the max. Erandorr could be a townie sheeping you if annul is red. (or he came to the same conclusion without telling us) Erandorr could be a townie sheeping you if annul is green. (or he came to the same conclusion without telling us) Erandorr could be a mafia bussing annul if annul is red. Erandorr could be a mafia getting a green-lynch if annul is green. That's when you apply the "it's not what people do, but how they do it, that should be looked at" rule. If you're town, please come back and re-read this entire thing because you're being so wrong and bad at the moment that if you somehow justify your arguments to yourself, you will never improve. okay give it a try, enlighten me and explain me where I'm wrong here becaue I can't see it. I'd say all 4 make sense because "how" erandorr was doing it was " ! Vote" and that's it. That's why I put sheeping in the top 2 ones instead of what I have in brackets. However the same thing could happen when bussing or trying to get a green-lynch because this is, again, wifom. I'm standing by my point that there's no informationgain on erandorr, at all.
Well, assuming annul died exactly now and flipped scum, I would say there is very much a bigger chance that Errandor is town. First of all, he voted to kill scum. Now I cannot rule out the chance of mafia bussing, but generally the obvious solution is the correct one. People who like to kill mafia are generally not mafia.
Then you apply the how. Notice that all through Erandorr's play this game he has decided to buddy pretty hard up to me and sheep my reasonings for things. He's not a recent convert to the cult of Palmar, he helped get my head off the chopping block on day 1 too. He without question joined my case on day 2, very early on before it was apparent annul was going to be a serious contender. I think the timing of his vote, and how he presented it is very unlikely for mafia to do.
So there, while you cannot conclude anything 100%, I just gave you an explanation of how Errandor voting annul, and annul flipping scum, should affect how we read Erandorr's gameplay.
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Palmar, would you go Lynch for Lynch with Annul. If he flips town you get lynched next?
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On December 08 2011 23:49 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 23:41 Palmar wrote:On December 08 2011 23:38 Toadesstern wrote:On December 08 2011 23:28 Palmar wrote:On December 08 2011 23:19 Mattchew wrote:On December 08 2011 23:12 Palmar wrote:On December 08 2011 22:59 Toadesstern wrote:On December 08 2011 22:50 Palmar wrote:On December 08 2011 22:42 Toadesstern wrote:
I still like my Erandorr case way more for the same reasons I already said yesterday. Those people on Annul right now are just not the most confirmed townies around to put it that way. That wagon formed so fast although it came to a halt that I just got a bad feeling of mafia influence here. I mean I got a case on erandorr and he's on Annul. That's not a good sign for me. Drazerk who's still a liar to me until he gets a confirmed save is not exactly the kind of guy I'd like on a bus as well.
Just look at erandorr for a second palmar. That guy did everything I expected, did a bigger post to protect himself and started one-liners right afterwards. I called him out for this behaviour, he made a bigger post in which he admits that his filter looks pretty damning but finishes along the lines "well but I'm a townie and I am really sorry I'm screwing town right now! I am willing to help you guys no matter what just shoot me a question". So people came along hugging him like a little baby that's told that it's not his fault and that everything's going to be okay.
Guess what? I asked him a simple question straight away after his post. He still hasn't answered, still somehow people think he's looking more town now with his most recent post because I guess people feel sorry for him. This is a cheap trick. The people on Annul's wagon have nothing to do with whether or not you should be supporting it. You should simply look at the strength of the case and determine for yourself if it's valid enough to earn him your vote. If you always consider who else shares your opinion you'll never get anywhere because nothing stops mafia from bussing teammates. I have looked at Errandor. There is nothing about his play that conclusively puts him down as scum. Sure, there are questionable things in there, but that's not a reason to lynch him today. I'm offering you a good opportunity to gauge his alignment by lynching annul. Lynching Errandor will not solve anything that's going on in town now. It's basically an excuse for lynching a scummy lurker. That was for day 1, today we're going after mafia. And I just gave you mafia. EBWOP: You're even contradicting yourself wtf. So you're saying when it's not okay to not lynch annul because of what other people think about him but it's okay to do so with erandorr after a lynch? Woah, are you intentionally being thick? There is no way to tell anything about the alignment of a person being bandwagoned or followed by looking at the people following them. This is because you cannot scumhunt against player a based on the actions of player b. Thus you cannot deduce annul's alignment by looking at who's voting for him. However, you can deduce a player's alignment by looking at whom he's voting for. Because in that scenario you're evaluating player a's alignment based on the actions of player a. To make it simple: Annul is not responsible for the people voting him, and I'm not responsible for the people sheeping my case (which everyone should be doing). Thus: The people on Annul's wagon have nothing to do with whether or not you should be supporting it.Errandor is however responsible for his own vote, and his own decision for following me, thus: I'm offering you a good opportunity to gauge his [Errandor's] alignment by lynching annul.If you fail to see the difference of people being responsible for their own actions, and people being responsible for other's actions, I'm not sure I can help you. Woah, are you intentionally being thick? He's saying that you cant say "don't look at who votes annul" followed by "watch how erandorr votes" Why not? If toad thinks Erandorr is mafia, and Erandorr votes for annul, that should have no impact on whether or not the case against annul is valid, because Erandorr isn't annul, they're seperate people. Toad could be wrong about Erandorr, I could be wrong about annul, and Erandorr could be bussing annul. You cannot read anything about whether or not the annul wagon is valid based on who is on it. However, while the fact Erandorr votes for annul says nothing about annul, it does say a lot about Erandorr, because... Erandorr is Erandorr. I don't get what's complicated about this. First of all, you just said it. Even if you're right and annul is mafia there's no new read on erandorr. The guy voted for annul after something like 4 votes were on him after an incredible fast time? If you're right this could be a bus and this gives me 0 information about erandorr. How am I supposed to to gauge erandorrs alignment based on the flip? This is incredible wifom to the max. Erandorr could be a townie sheeping you if annul is red. (or he came to the same conclusion without telling us) Erandorr could be a townie sheeping you if annul is green. (or he came to the same conclusion without telling us) Erandorr could be a mafia bussing annul if annul is red. Erandorr could be a mafia getting a green-lynch if annul is green. That's when you apply the "it's not what people do, but how they do it, that should be looked at" rule. If you're town, please come back and re-read this entire thing because you're being so wrong and bad at the moment that if you somehow justify your arguments to yourself, you will never improve. okay give it a try, enlighten me and explain me where I'm wrong here becaue I can't see it. I'd say all 4 make sense because "how" erandorr was doing it was " ! Vote" and that's it. That's why I put sheeping in the top 2 ones instead of what I have in brackets. However the same thing could happen when bussing or trying to get a green-lynch because this is, again, wifom. I'm standing by my point that there's no informationgain on erandorr, at all.
I didn't try to claim town credit for that, you are obviously correct that it says nothing about my alignment. I'm not trying to defend my alignment here, I'm defending my case. If I did somewhere directly claim that somehow Soap flipping green made me less likely to be scum, please point that out to me.
But annul's actions around that speak out about his alignment.
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On December 08 2011 23:55 Mattchew wrote:
Palmar, would you go Lynch for Lynch with Annul. If he flips town you get lynched next?
Yes.
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On December 08 2011 12:13 Radfield wrote:I'm going to tell you right now that you are not alone Zephridd  There are legions of townies who 'get a bad feeling' about me between the end of day one and end of day two when I am town. It honestly happens every single game to me. Someone should figure out why and tell me so I can fix it You are on the Solid Town list for a very specific reason. I'm not going to go into it deeper than that. All the other people missing from those three lists are pretty null. I either haven't relooked over them, they are very inactive, or I simply don't have a great read. I will also add that hyshes probably doesn't belong on my prob scum list, he is much more null at this point. Also keep in mind that the Drazerk claim of a roleblock immune medic who has to claim night 1 is a joke. It's either a joke by Incog, or a joke by Drazerk. In LOTR Drazerk claimed medic during Day 2 for no apparent reason and actually managed to stay alive until the end of the game, and I think he even made a save. Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 11:54 prplhz wrote:
@Zephirdd
You're not off about Radfield's list, it is weird because he is likely scum and you're very likely town.
You're not wrong about how very specific speculation about setup/roles can't be effectively relied upon in a closed setup.
I don't think it is likely that Drazerk is scum, we can only speculate about why scum did not kill him. My theory is that they wanted to isolate Palmar and lynch him today so they took away two of his biggest supporters. If you see a problem with my list then let me hear it. Don't just snipe. I hope you realize I am also one of strongest voices in the thread against a Palmar lynch? Problem is I don't like annul either, and I don't have a good fallback target since I'm leaning more and more town on you.I will say this, I'm willing to lynch sandro if he doesn't start being more useful. He has almost zero contribution at this point, when he should be starting to pinpoint scum.
Hi Radfield. Could you answer a couple of questions for me?
1. Why did you omit me from your list? You were suspicious of me on day 1. Did you leave me off just to give me a warm fuzzy feeling about you?
2. You have Annul on your "maybe town" section but two posts later you don't like him. Which is it?
3. You have prplhz on your "prob scum" section but again 2 posts later you're leaning more and more town on him. Part of your analysis on him previously was his vote on Annul. So are you flip flopping Annul and Prplhz on your list? If so why such a rapid change of opinion?
These appear to be contradictions to me. A wee bit of waffling. Could you help me try to understand where you are coming from?
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On December 08 2011 23:55 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 23:55 Mattchew wrote:
Palmar, would you go Lynch for Lynch with Annul. If he flips town you get lynched next? Yes.
you realize last time you did this... ace flipped town and you backed out
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On December 08 2011 23:59 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 23:55 Palmar wrote:On December 08 2011 23:55 Mattchew wrote:
Palmar, would you go Lynch for Lynch with Annul. If he flips town you get lynched next? Yes. you realize last time you did this... ace flipped town and you backed out
Of course, I'm not allowed to play against my win condition per the rules.
It's up to the town to uphold the deal, not me.
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On December 08 2011 23:55 Mattchew wrote:
Palmar, would you go Lynch for Lynch with Annul. If he flips town you get lynched next?
please stop these things I know palmar is confident in his own and might be willing to do such a thing but it's NOT going to help town, it's just a tool to make a case look stronger "see I even would agree to that deal, np ezpz".
NOONE should agree to that kind of deal unless he's 100% certain his target is scum. There is no 100% chance to know someones alignment in this game unless you're mafia and know it. Therefore it's at max something like 99%.
Even if you somehow got a 99% clear case which I doubt we have here (neither annul nore erandorr) there is 99 cases in which town won't get an advantage because palmar was right and 1 case in which we're just fucked because palmar's the next guy who's getting lynched because he was wrong although he believes in his case.
So unless you think yourself that palmar is 100% scum there's no reason to suggest such a thing because that "bad" case isn't a bad case if we lynch a mafia. Therefore, stop it.
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Jackal58: Can you please help me beat sense into this town.
I'll gladly help you lynch Radfield later.
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On December 08 2011 23:59 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 23:55 Palmar wrote:On December 08 2011 23:55 Mattchew wrote:
Palmar, would you go Lynch for Lynch with Annul. If he flips town you get lynched next? Yes. you realize last time you did this... ace flipped town and you backed out
He can't back out if we force it on him. If we are with 16 who support this 100% (so me +15, palmar not included) i'm willing to do this.
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On December 09 2011 00:01 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 23:55 Mattchew wrote:
Palmar, would you go Lynch for Lynch with Annul. If he flips town you get lynched next? please stop these things I know palmar is confident in his own and might be willing to do such a thing but it's NOT going to help town, it's just a tool to make a case look stronger "see I even would agree to that deal, np ezpz". NOONE should agree to that kind of deal unless he's 100% certain his target is scum. There is no 100% chance to know someones alignment in this game unless you're mafia and know it. Therefore it's at max something like 99%. Even if you somehow got a 99% clear case which I doubt we have here (neither annul nore erandorr) there is 99 cases in which town won't get an advantage because palmar was right and 1 case in which we're just fucked because palmar's the next guy who's getting lynched because he was wrong although he believes in his case. So unless you think yourself that palmar is 100% scum there's no reason to suggest such a thing because that "bad" case isn't a bad case if we lynch a mafia. Therefore, stop it.
In no way, shape or form, did I intend that to be an honest plan. I realize its stupid I just like hearing and reading peoples responses to it. (I wanted to wait for annul to respond to this but I have a feeling he would hop on what you just said)
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On December 09 2011 00:04 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 00:01 Toadesstern wrote:On December 08 2011 23:55 Mattchew wrote:
Palmar, would you go Lynch for Lynch with Annul. If he flips town you get lynched next? please stop these things I know palmar is confident in his own and might be willing to do such a thing but it's NOT going to help town, it's just a tool to make a case look stronger "see I even would agree to that deal, np ezpz". NOONE should agree to that kind of deal unless he's 100% certain his target is scum. There is no 100% chance to know someones alignment in this game unless you're mafia and know it. Therefore it's at max something like 99%. Even if you somehow got a 99% clear case which I doubt we have here (neither annul nore erandorr) there is 99 cases in which town won't get an advantage because palmar was right and 1 case in which we're just fucked because palmar's the next guy who's getting lynched because he was wrong although he believes in his case. So unless you think yourself that palmar is 100% scum there's no reason to suggest such a thing because that "bad" case isn't a bad case if we lynch a mafia. Therefore, stop it. In no way, shape or form, did I intend that to be an honest plan. I realize its stupid I just like hearing and reading peoples responses to it. (I wanted to wait for annul to respond to this but I have a feeling he would hop on what you just said)
I am totally aware that it wasn't your intention, still it's a bad thing to do because it's at best no gain for town and at worst we're screwed. I don't want these things to happen, period
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On December 09 2011 00:03 hyshes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 23:59 Mattchew wrote:On December 08 2011 23:55 Palmar wrote:On December 08 2011 23:55 Mattchew wrote:
Palmar, would you go Lynch for Lynch with Annul. If he flips town you get lynched next? Yes. you realize last time you did this... ace flipped town and you backed out He can't back out if we force it on him. If we are with 16 who support this 100% (so me +15, palmar not included) i'm willing to do this.
lol what? Please explain to me why you are actually willing to do this.
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On December 09 2011 00:07 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 00:03 hyshes wrote:On December 08 2011 23:59 Mattchew wrote:On December 08 2011 23:55 Palmar wrote:On December 08 2011 23:55 Mattchew wrote:
Palmar, would you go Lynch for Lynch with Annul. If he flips town you get lynched next? Yes. you realize last time you did this... ace flipped town and you backed out He can't back out if we force it on him. If we are with 16 who support this 100% (so me +15, palmar not included) i'm willing to do this. lol what? Please explain to me why you are actually willing to do this.
bc i'm not letting palmar have free townkills
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On December 09 2011 00:09 hyshes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 00:07 Mattchew wrote:On December 09 2011 00:03 hyshes wrote:On December 08 2011 23:59 Mattchew wrote:On December 08 2011 23:55 Palmar wrote:On December 08 2011 23:55 Mattchew wrote:
Palmar, would you go Lynch for Lynch with Annul. If he flips town you get lynched next? Yes. you realize last time you did this... ace flipped town and you backed out He can't back out if we force it on him. If we are with 16 who support this 100% (so me +15, palmar not included) i'm willing to do this. lol what? Please explain to me why you are actually willing to do this. bc i'm not letting palmar have free townkills
And 1 for 1 trades are good for town
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