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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On December 08 2011 12:10 Zephirdd wrote: So yeah, no point in speculating that. I don't know how to avoid these WIFOM circles, so I'll just assume that Palmar is town for the time being. There is a very easy way to avoid the WIFOM circles. 9 out of 10 times mafia act in their own best interest. Yes there is the occasional bus, and yes there is the occasional false roleclaim, but they are the exception. Ideally you learn to pick out those exceptions, but if you simply ask yourself "would it be advantageous to do this as mafia" then you will be right far more often than you are wrong. No need for WIFOM. However, Palmar, of all the players I have seen play is more than willing to break that rule(cop claim in SMG as scum????). I don't think that is what he is doing here though. I can see why redFF might jump to that conclusion though. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
well, I'm off. stayed awake waaaay longer than I should have. No idea on who to vote. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On December 08 2011 12:27 redFF wrote: scumteam atm is palmar, prplhz, zephirdd mattchew and then someone else i dunno maybe rad? ![[image loading]](http://i54.tinypic.com/dwdv1x.jpg) | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On December 08 2011 13:29 sandroba wrote: @Radfield I've read annul's game as scum and honestly his bevaiour is quite similar when he is both town and scum. So let me ask you a question: What can you assume about the setup given the new information we have been presented with so far? lol if my behavior is the same then how can you tell what i am? oh snap did i just drop a logic bomb on your ass? | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On December 08 2011 12:27 redFF wrote: scumteam atm is palmar, prplhz, zephirdd mattchew and then someone else i dunno maybe rad? I'd be surprised if anyone on this list was mafia sorry I'm not sorry for being honest (or it might turn out I'm just stupid) | ||
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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
On December 08 2011 15:14 Mattchew wrote: I'd be surprised if anyone on this list was mafia sorry I'm not sorry for being honest (or it might turn out I'm just stupid) Can you at the very least explain why you'd be surprised? | ||
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Corrupt
Bulgaria1312 Posts
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TruthBringer
United States578 Posts
I am unvoting Palmar not because his play seems very townie to me, but because as people have pointed out, his role in the hands of the mafia would further unbalance the game. (Access to 7/26 votes at start.) Also, I really feel that his anonymous vote ability would have done a lot more harm to the town if he had kept it anonymous. People would have spent time reading into it, trying to figure out who it was, etc. One of the nice things about believing Palmar to be mafia was that there was a cascade effect to find the other mafia, certain people having helped him when he was in trouble. I still do feel like lynching him and seeing his flip would provide some clarity about other people's alignments. I like the case against Erandorr, but what I don't like about lynching Erandorr is that I don't feel like lynching him provides us with much more information. He hasn't really been a hot topic, like Palmar has so we just won't get as much information from lynching him as we would from Palmar. Nonetheless, Palmar's Floridian role and his willingness to remove the anonymity make me think he is town and therefore, I will ##vote Erandorr | ||
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hyshes
Belgium428 Posts
On December 08 2011 12:27 redFF wrote: scumteam atm is palmar, prplhz, zephirdd mattchew and then someone else i dunno maybe rad? I'm following redFF here. With the exception of rad. The reaction of zephirdd and mattchew is rather weird. I don't know what the gif from radfield means. Care to use words? | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On December 08 2011 19:40 TruthBringer wrote: ##unvote Palmar I am unvoting Palmar not because his play seems very townie to me, but because as people have pointed out, his role in the hands of the mafia would further unbalance the game. (Access to 7/26 votes at start.) Also, I really feel that his anonymous vote ability would have done a lot more harm to the town if he had kept it anonymous. People would have spent time reading into it, trying to figure out who it was, etc. One of the nice things about believing Palmar to be mafia was that there was a cascade effect to find the other mafia, certain people having helped him when he was in trouble. I still do feel like lynching him and seeing his flip would provide some clarity about other people's alignments. I like the case against Erandorr, but what I don't like about lynching Erandorr is that I don't feel like lynching him provides us with much more information. He hasn't really been a hot topic, like Palmar has so we just won't get as much information from lynching him as we would from Palmar. Nonetheless, Palmar's Floridian role and his willingness to remove the anonymity make me think he is town and therefore, I will ##vote Erandorr how do you know how the game is balanced? Mafia could very well have 7/26 votes, we've already had like 4 pr claims and its day 2, who knows how this game is balanced? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
It's time. You don't always catch scum in the same way. There is, for example, no traditional way of catching Kenpachi or Coagulation as scum, because they will not, regardless of their alignment, provide us with content that can be broken down and analyzed through post by post analysis. That is not to say you can't catch people who play unconventionally as scum. While annul doesn't write long, well explained posts, no matter his alignment, it's the content and direction, as well as the intention of these posts that give a player away. I think annul is a good player, he doesn't give himself away every single post. But it's rather the overall playstyle that reeks of scum. Let's look at why annul is scum: For convenience, here is his entire filter: Clicky There is not much to be had on annul's alignment from his initial posting. He is mostly correct in his thoughts, simply because arguing such mundane things as "should we use lists or not" is not something that can give away people's alignments. No matter their opinion on such things. The first post that stuck out to me was this: On December 05 2011 06:04 annul wrote: im still waiting for purple haze to address his blue claim. if i saw it, mafia surely saw it too. and i saw it immediately. ;\ This is regarding prplhz's sentence: "Just want to sit around and wait for power roles to do our job" Here's the deal, this is in no way a blue claim, and as soon as prplhz denies it being one, the issue should be ignored, yet even quite a bit later annul is still wondering about a trivial issue. The sentence can easily be read from the point of view of prplhz being town and "our job" referring to finding mafia, not blues using their abilities. Why does annul want to stick with this? Because it gives him an excuse to contribute nothing, which has been a hallmark of his play this game. On December 05 2011 06:10 annul wrote: people NEED to be aware that he blueslipped there. it changes everything. What the shit is a blueslip, there is no such thing. He denied it referring to him being blue, and that should be taken at facevalue. It changes exactly nothing, annul is just staying on his road of "If I tunnel this, I don't have to contribute". Just so I point it out, annul's vote on Drazerk, followed by his switch to Soap gives us no indication of his alignment. Let's talk some more about how to avoid contributing and draw bad conclusions: On December 06 2011 03:02 annul wrote: im still waiting to see if soap actually flips from v7's shot or if this is a grand troll by everybody if soap actually flips anything nonred i'm instavoting palmar and not unvoting What has Soap's alignment to do with me? I called him my homeboy, so if I'm right I must be scum? Where's the logic here. I did not ask for Soap to be shot, the whole issue has nothing to do with me. I retracted my claim before the shot was fired, and confirmed it. The decision was a rash, bad decision from v7, against a person that I had no intention of getting shot. As syllogism so brilliantly put it: On December 06 2011 03:05 syllogism wrote: So you are saying palmar is scum, vader is town and palmar used his psychic powers to determine that vader is a town day vig and would shoot Soap instead of, say, himself? Of course, this doesn't stop annul with following through with his completely illogical train of thought, because that's a favorite thing of mafia, to not use logic and just run with stuff. On December 06 2011 06:10 annul wrote: wow. you have to be kidding me. ##vote palmar Now, please recheck annul's filter ( here ) and scroll down to where he votes me. Notice how sharply his contribution rate has fallen. Not only that, but there is also NO effort at scumhunting at all. He literally hasn't accused anyone of anything since he decided I was red. There is no substance. I think the closest thing was calling Jackal a moron. He hasn't even pushed a case against me today. The bottom line, is that in addition to the complete lack of scumhunting, the complete lack of contributions, annul claimed to have been saved by a medic, from a shot I am all but certain was fired by syllogism, makes me have a very strong feeling this guy is scum. On December 08 2011 01:36 annul wrote: why the fuck is palmar of all people leading a wagon on ME of all people? did you all forget the shit he pulled yesterday? letting palmar run shit = outed jack and a dead green Notice, there is not logical reason for not listening to me, it's just the fact that because I'm aggressive and v7 panicked, I must by extension not be trusted. Annul is clinging onto the notion that disregarding me by referring to the misfired shot yesterday, he can discredit me enough so that I won't be listened to. I'm still waiting on anything that can count as contribution from annul today. I think it's also very bad for town to try and push the issue aside. If we allow the mafia do deflect the annul lynch onto a random townie (Radfield, I'm looking at you), we both eliminate the chance that we hit mafia today, and we cause town to be in exactly the same situation tomorrow. It's probably a better idea to lynch me, because at least that will validate everything I'm saying, not like mafia is gonna let me live after the night if annul dies. With 15 townies alive and 6 mafia, we need 11 townies to make the correct decision. The correct decision is to lynch annul today. I was useless on day 1, please accept this scum as a token of my regret. Annul is mafia ##Vote annul | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On December 08 2011 05:11 Radfield wrote: EBWOP: If annul was NOT shot last night(ie, did not claim a hit), would you still be wanting him lynched? I think my latest post answers your question. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Why didn't annul claim veteran? How do you feel about vaderseven? You know the guy has played forum mafia for years right, he isn't supposed to panic in a situation where he has confirmed that he's not in any immediate danger. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On December 08 2011 22:24 prplhz wrote: @Palmar Why didn't annul claim veteran? How do you feel about vaderseven? You know the guy has played forum mafia for years right, he isn't supposed to panic in a situation where he has confirmed that he's not in any immediate danger. Annul might be forced to claim a role later in the game. There might be trackers, watchers, role cops and probably some other roles that can disprove him being a veteran. I would literally role-cop him immediately on night 3 if I was a rolecop. v7's play is very weird, if he's indeed a veteran it makes him look pretty bad. However, I think his anger towards me for pushing him looks pretty genuine, although it's obviously not very well thought out. In addition, I liked the fact he tried to communicate his Jack claim prior to straight up claiming, that looks like something townies would probably do more often than mafia. I have interest in getting him lynched today, and probably not ever. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Just look at erandorr for a second palmar. That guy did everything I expected, did a bigger post to protect himself and started one-liners right afterwards. I called him out for this behaviour, he made a bigger post in which he admits that his filter looks pretty damning but finishes along the lines "well but I'm a townie and I am really sorry I'm screwing town right now! I am willing to help you guys no matter what just shoot me a question". So people came along hugging him like a little baby that's told that it's not his fault and that everything's going to be okay. Guess what? I asked him a simple question straight away after his post. He still hasn't answered, still somehow people think he's looking more town now with his most recent post because I guess people feel sorry for him. This is a cheap trick. | ||
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