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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On December 08 2011 07:21 Palmar wrote: I'm surprised radfield, as I feel prplhz is doing a better job at looking town than I've seen before. I also felt prplhz was looking townie halfway through yesterday, but his actions are against him. Truthbringer was over-the-top scummy with his first posts, which is very very rarely a scum trait. Since that I feel he has been decent. vaderseven is almost surely town. He might be my strongest town read. The fact that prplhz is still pushing for lynching him seems like he's not even paying attention. If he's a jack he is town, if he's a jack he can prove his role. Add to that his posting is very green, and you have someone not worth looking at for a long time. If he is miraculously still around on day 4/5 after having done nothing for town, then yeah, but not until then. The case on Mattchew was pretty thin in my eyes, though to be honest I skim-read it. I had mattchew down as prob town. However, I just re-read his filter and it looks worse than I recall. In particular his posts after getting called out. There are definitely mafia motives with posts like these: On December 08 2011 00:26 Mattchew wrote: your making it extremely hard even though I agree votes should be on annul until someone steps up and claims they protected him On December 08 2011 01:39 Mattchew wrote:(Both sentences in this quote) I am slowly becoming more and more ok with lynching Palmar, and if he flips red following with the lynching V7. Red and Eran still waiting on the roles you claim to be blocked from doing... One of them could be mafia and had their KP blocked He also made the worlds shortest 'case' against erandorr. That being said I'm not real sure he is scum, but he certainly reads less green than I thought. So where does that leave me on prplhz you ask? I'm not really sure. His defense was decent: truthbringer IS less of a raw newb than I realized, PYPI was multi scum teams so is moot, my points about tone are pretty weak. But his reaction to the v7 vig shot, his justification of finding v7 scummy, and his semi flip-flop on annul rub me very much the wrong way. I'm not really sure which way to take it from here. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On December 08 2011 08:33 Radfield wrote: I also felt prplhz was looking townie halfway through yesterday, but his actions are against him. Truthbringer was over-the-top scummy with his first posts, which is very very rarely a scum trait. Since that I feel he has been decent. vaderseven is almost surely town. He might be my strongest town read. The fact that prplhz is still pushing for lynching him seems like he's not even paying attention. If he's a jack he is town, if he's a jack he can prove his role. Add to that his posting is very green, and you have someone not worth looking at for a long time. If he is miraculously still around on day 4/5 after having done nothing for town, then yeah, but not until then. The case on Mattchew was pretty thin in my eyes, though to be honest I skim-read it. I had mattchew down as prob town. However, I just re-read his filter and it looks worse than I recall. In particular his posts after getting called out. There are definitely mafia motives with posts like these: I have completely changed my views on the medic revealing himself... I didn't realize how stupid that would be until it was told to me. He also made the worlds shortest 'case' against erandorr. That being said I'm not real sure he is scum, but he certainly reads less green than I thought. So where does that leave me on prplhz you ask? I'm not really sure. His defense was decent: truthbringer IS less of a raw newb than I realized, PYPI was multi scum teams so is moot, my points about tone are pretty weak. But his reaction to the v7 vig shot, his justification of finding v7 scummy, and his semi flip-flop on annul rub me very much the wrong way. I'm not really sure which way to take it from here. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
I have completely changed my views on the medic revealing himself... I didn't realize how stupid that would be until it was told to me. Was supposed to be my statement after the quote.. not in it lol | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On December 08 2011 08:34 redFF wrote: radfield what do you think about palmar? I think he is probably town. Floridian makes a huge amount of sense to be in town hands, and he most certainly is the floridian. It makes almost zero sense to be in scum hands, because that is balancing the game in the wrong direction. I also do not see scum motivation in his Day 1 posting. I really liked his Dayvig gambit, and(like him) I was laughing as I was reading the thread, even when I saw the kill posted and realized the thread was going to turn into a shitshow, I still thought it was funny. I very much see Palmar as town all the way through the second half of Day 1. I have a lot of respect for Palmar's scum play, but he is a solid town read at this point. What I have a problem with Palmar, and this is addressed to you, is that I have very little inkling of your reads right now. You are pushing annul, but without using any actual arguments. Do you even care if he gets lynched? I honestly feel like I could make a better case for annul being scum then you have. Who else is clogging up your scumdar other than annul? I would very much like the Palmar lynch idea to go away. It is hugely detrimental to town, and based solely off the fact that Palmar played a very non-standard Day 1 (though not a scummy one by any means). It's also a very safe place for mafia to hide, as one hardly even needs a reason to vote Palmar at this point. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Can you also tell me about your other scum reads besides me? I think townie Radfield at this point would have like the entire scum team mapped out but you have one non-scum in me and then you have Erandorr who I don't have a clear read on right now but I think he's town. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
##Unvote: Palmar Based solely on Rad's wish for a Palmar lynch to go away. I still feel the case on him is good, and that people are ignoring parts of my case based solely on the fact that I'm not considering anyone else right now. But I'm willing to let this ride ANOTHER day. I've been going over a few people and will post thoughts when I get some time alone with the thread. This is bullshit, I don't mind saying. Palmar is fucking scum. But he's not the only scum. I will say however that because I've got a scum-read on Palmar, I will NOT be supporting an annul lynch today. Period. I'll even fight that shit, because it's scum-driven. I'm not sure of my read on Annul, but I'm bloody POSITIVE of my read on Palmar. If I don't get my lynch, Palmar damned sure isn't getting his. Again, I'll post my thoughts on other candidates a little later. I have some reading to do. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
I think my vote at the end of today will help people to know my alignment. (/jokepost) Mattchew, I think I want to see you try to rethink things and come up with a logical less out there idea. I don't know how to say that better. I completely accept your retraction of asking doc to claim, I am pretty sure on re-reading your filter that you are just not uber experienced with mafia and closed setups in particular. Shit, even I am not experienced enough in non themed closed setups (I feel dumb about the jack thing). | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
We gotta break that pattern now. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On December 08 2011 09:11 prplhz wrote: @Radfield My main point about vaderseven is that he shot Soap. Since sandroba and Palmar pointed out that you're probably scum you have dropped your "please let me do nothing until night2"-idea and tried to appear a lot more helpful, so maybe you can tell me why vaderseven shot Soap? Can you also tell me about your other scum reads besides me? I think townie Radfield at this point would have like the entire scum team mapped out but you have one non-scum in me and then you have Erandorr who I don't have a clear read on right now but I think he's town. You're wrong, you find me a game where I had multiple scum reads on Day 2, and I guarantee you will find a game where I was scum. I don't generally get strong scum reads early on. Look at my play in PYPInsane, or PYP2 my reads almost always only galvanize around night 2. I work by finding townies, eliminating the null reads, and working down from there. I'm willing to admit thought that I don't have a lot of clarity right now though. I need to spend less time IN the thread, and more time OUT of the thread(read/filter more, post/reply less), which is why I'm currently re-reading the thread(which is moving quite a bit faster than it should). Solid Town Palmar vaderseven Zephirdd Toadesstern Maybe Town Drazerk Truthbringer Visceraeyes Annul RedFF Lanaia? Risen? Refallen? Prob Scum kingjames01 Erandorr Sandro? Hyshes? prplhz? That is loosely what I'm looking at right now. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On December 08 2011 09:34 vaderseven wrote: VEyes, dont unvote him if you think he is scum. We gotta break that pattern now. vader, I think you are town, but I think you are very much off base on Palmar. If Palmar did not exist, who else would you be gunning for today? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
PYP:Interesting, you were only wrong about one guy during that entire game. I only played with you in that game and in LotR where you were scum. I guess my claim is mostly based on your reputation which might be better than you are, but I was pretty impressed with you in PYP:Interesting and you were obviously town to everybody after day0, in this game you're wobbly even during day2. I supposed there was a reason why chaoser shot you night2 in LotR. How the hell can you say that VisceraEyes is "Maybe town", the guy has been tunneling the same person all game long and that person is on your town list rofl. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On December 08 2011 09:34 vaderseven wrote: VEyes, dont unvote him if you think he is scum. We gotta break that pattern now. I hope you're referring to the 'town' pattern and not my pattern...I think you'll find this is my first unvote of the game. I don't like it any more than you do, but if you want to help town, find his partners. He's active enough and controversial enough that there's probably enough associative shit in here to find at least one or two of them already. I'm looking elsewhere, so you can be tasked with this. Look through his interactions and find his partners v7. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On December 08 2011 09:46 prplhz wrote: @Radfield PYP:Interesting, you were only wrong about one guy during that entire game. I only played with you in that game and in LotR where you were scum. I guess my claim is mostly based on your reputation which might be better than you are, but I was pretty impressed with you in PYP:Interesting and you were obviously town to everybody after day0, in this game you're wobbly even during day2. I supposed there was a reason why chaoser shot you night2 in LotR. How the hell can you say that VisceraEyes is "Maybe town", the guy has been tunneling the same person all game long and that person is on your town list rofl. As funny as it is, Nothing VisceraEyes has done says much about his alignment. I'm off to bed, spent all night playing dota 2. I'll give you my thoughts tomorrow. | ||
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