TL Mafia XLVIII - Page 79

On December 09 2011 00:41 Toadesstern wrote:


The problem is that it went incredible fast early on (the first 6 votes) and stopped there for 24 hours. Do you really think 4 people are sheeping you that hard to just vote like this without an explanation? Don't you think mafia would have hoped on that wagon sometimes yesterday no matter annuls alignment?
If you're really right with your case I would not want to touch annul with a pole from here to whereever he lives. If you're wrong mafia would love to get on that wagon to see a townie dead without doing a thing (that is if you're town) and would have hoped on there not right from the beginning but surely sometime.
Because I can't see one of that happening I'm saying that there's already 1 or 2 mafias who hopped on that wagon from the very beginning along with some sheeping townies.

On December 09 2011 00:46 hyshes wrote:
lol @sandroba.. so palmar's way isn't working to force this lynch through our throat.. so you come in out of the blue just to tell that palmars case is great? I for sure am not falling for that one.

On December 09 2011 00:49 Palmar wrote:


As I explained earlier, looking at things like this has no value towards the case. Mafia could bandwagon a fellow mafia to get exactly this reaction from you. I say it once again, you cannot deduce anything about anyone by looking at the reactions of someone else, you should read the person, and only that person.

Read the case, agree or disagree with it. Ignore everything but exactly the content of the case. I'm more than fine with you pushing your own case, but at the end of the day, if you fail to secure enough support for your case, you should take a firm stance towards the leading two cases. If for some reason the annul lynch fails, I will myself be forced to look at alternative cases. However, at this rate I don't expect it to.

On December 09 2011 00:55 Toadesstern wrote:

First of all I kind of agree with what you said about looking into people rather that what other people think about people. I still think my wifom example is right and actually it kind of shows it. However I still think you're overconfident right now and you're makeing a bigger deal of it than it is in reality. But yeah at the end of the day I will look at what we got and decide where my vote is most useful. I hope you're doing the same.

Secondly I do not think mafia would bus a mafia buddy just to make them me think what I said, but that's another box to open that's not going to help here :p

On December 08 2011 23:37 annul wrote:
now i have a final exam in 27 minutes, so im going to eat my food and get to school. but seriously palmar give it up

Now, please recheck annul's filter ( here ) and scroll down to where he votes me. Notice how sharply his contribution rate has fallen. Not only that, but there is also NO effort at scumhunting at all. He literally hasn't accused anyone of anything since he decided I was red. There is no substance. I think the closest thing was calling Jackal a moron.

On December 07 2011 14:38 annul wrote:
apparently someone shot me but it was negated somehow

On December 07 2011 14:41 annul wrote:
i just asked and was told someone medic'd me. <3.

ok so reds have 3 kp then

On December 08 2011 01:23 annul wrote:


wbg: "you took a hit tonight"

me: "does this mean a medic saved me?"

wbg: "yes"

On December 08 2011 23:59 Jackal58 wrote:

Hi Radfield. Could you answer a couple of questions for me?
1. Why did you omit me from your list? You were suspicious of me on day 1. Did you leave me off just to give me a warm fuzzy feeling about you?
2. You have Annul on your "maybe town" section but two posts later you don't like him. Which is it?
3. You have prplhz on your "prob scum" section but again 2 posts later you're leaning more and more town on him. Part of your analysis on him previously was his vote on Annul. So are you flip flopping Annul and Prplhz on your list? If so why such a rapid change of opinion?
These appear to be contradictions to me. A wee bit of waffling. Could you help me try to understand where you are coming from?

On December 09 2011 00:25 Palmar wrote:

If you present a strong enough case and can convince people to kill radfield, I don't think I would oppose killing him today. My preferable target remains annul though.

On December 09 2011 00:58 Palmar wrote:


That's a fair opinion, because now you're using the correct mindset to disagree with me. If you genuinely think the case doesn't prove annul is scum, I don't have a problem with it. What I have a problem with is throwaway reasons like "this wagon is bad", because that doesn't address the situation at hand.

And yes, as I said, if this falls apart I am forced to look at other options.

However, remember that I am awesome and almost always right.

On December 09 2011 00:41 Toadesstern wrote:


The problem is that it went incredible fast early on (the first 6 votes) and stopped there for 24 hours. Do you really think 4 people are sheeping you that hard to just vote like this without an explanation? Don't you think mafia would have hoped on that wagon sometimes yesterday no matter annuls alignment?
If you're really right with your case I would not want to touch annul with a pole from here to whereever he lives. If you're wrong mafia would love to get on that wagon to see a townie dead without doing a thing (that is if you're town) and would have hoped on there not right from the beginning but surely sometime.
Because I can't see one of that happening I'm saying that there's already 1 or 2 mafias who hopped on that wagon from the very beginning along with some sheeping townies.

On December 09 2011 01:01 Radfield wrote:


Do you think Palmar is still scum annul? If not him then who? Who else do you think is scummy, who should be our lynch today?


@Palmar, that's a much better case, and one I can get behind.

Originally I felt his 'blueslip' catch made him seem townie in origin, not so sure now though.

The fact that he came into the thread and asked for a recap is generally not something mafia would do. However this is very much true:



His claim of being hit also struck me as genuine:





But looking at it again reminds me of how I felt taking a hit as third party in PYP1. In general when you take a hit, you DO NOT claim how(vet or medic) but simply just let the thread know you took a hit. However when you take a hit as mafia(saved by town) you immediately claim the medic save, RoL in Closed Casket did the exact same thing. Why? Because being saved by a town medic buys you townie credit. He also very quickly agreed to the idea that mafia did not hit him, but syllo did. Maybe that's because the evidence is decent, but if syllo was suspicious of me during the night and I took a hit I would not immediately accept that syllo must have shot me.

##Vote: Annul

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Yep, reads change. As I said, I'm warming up on prplhz, and as should have been obvious from my posting, I had conflicting thoughts on annul. That's why they were both question marks.

You completely disappeared, and have basically been inactive this entire game. Other than the slight pressure I've tossed your way, you have commented on almost nothing(which unfortunately your town meta can support). In addition you were basically absent for 1-2 days, that moves you back towards null. Obviously if you continue to not comment or push any scum reads then you will move back towards red. I get that you think I'm scum, now move on and do something productive.




Ask yourself this: If I am scum, is this the best scum game I have ever played? If I am town, is this about where I am most day 2's, maybe slightly more scattered? Which do you think more likely? This is not an argument, just a question. Not even one you have to answer right now.

On December 09 2011 01:30 redFF wrote:
the slowness of the wagon on you indicates there are zero scum voting you.

On December 09 2011 01:29 Radfield wrote:
I'm mostly interested in who you think are scummy and why Jackal. Though I'm also interested in which part of Palmar's case on annul you like, and which parts you don't(which you alluded to).

But from my perspective I know none of your reads, because you are focused almost entirely on me.

On December 09 2011 01:33 Radfield wrote

In addition Palmar being the floridian gives him a large amount of townie points if you look objectively at the set-up.

On December 09 2011 02:24 TruthBringer wrote:
I will switch my vote to the highest vote receiver before daytime ends if doing so is necessary to cause a hanging.

On a different matter: The death of supersoft seemed odd. He seemed ambiguous as to whether he was town or mafia. Of course, mafia want to kill people who are obviously townies, so that when it comes to voting, everyone is a suspect. He also isn't a power player as far as I know. I know he didn't make that 6-player list of Radfield, Palmar, redFF, syllogism, Jackal58, and Sandroba.

So why was he killed?

I can think of somebody who had a motive to kill him: Lanaia. Supersoft made a sexist comment about girls always contradicting themselves. I think that comment was inappropriate but Lanaia appeared to take it in stride. But maybe she got the last laugh and killed supersoft for it.

It is enough to put Lanaia on my radar anyways.