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My biggest problem with annul is that medic isn't claiming. As long as a medic hasn't claimed I'm not changing my vote, I have a hard time judging annul but I trust sandroba on this because holy fuck.
No this is not blue fishing, I think that any medic who protected annul last night isn't as big an asset for town as annul can be so it's good if he thinks his claim can save annul. Setup wise I think it sounds weird with 2 medics and 2 mafia night kills, but of course this is probably offset by Drazerk being medic who has to claim. It's funny that it is Drazerk who got that role, he likes to claim and he likes to protect scum as town.
annul is likely mafia and everybody should vote him.
@vaderseven
I don't believe you and I still think you're scum. From what I know of you, I'd much rather think that you are good scum than terrible townie, sorry.
I like how people are slowly beginning to see what I meant about Mattchew and TruthBringer.
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On December 09 2011 02:27 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 02:24 TruthBringer wrote:
I will switch my vote to the highest vote receiver before daytime ends if doing so is necessary to cause a hanging.
On a different matter: The death of supersoft seemed odd. He seemed ambiguous as to whether he was town or mafia. Of course, mafia want to kill people who are obviously townies, so that when it comes to voting, everyone is a suspect. He also isn't a power player as far as I know. I know he didn't make that 6-player list of Radfield, Palmar, redFF, syllogism, Jackal58, and Sandroba.
So why was he killed?
I can think of somebody who had a motive to kill him: Lanaia. Supersoft made a sexist comment about girls always contradicting themselves. I think that comment was inappropriate but Lanaia appeared to take it in stride. But maybe she got the last laugh and killed supersoft for it.
It is enough to put Lanaia on my radar anyways. Add this guy to my summyish list Radfield.
The part that you bolded is me indicating that I would prefer to hang someone today rather than not hang. How is that scummy?
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prplhz, I used to want the medic to claim... but that doesn't mean hes town if he does... its extremely possible syllo shot him which could leave him still as scum. Also, who is seeing what you meant about me? I don't see anyone new just you and redFF
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On December 09 2011 02:51 TruthBringer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 02:27 Jackal58 wrote:On December 09 2011 02:24 TruthBringer wrote:
I will switch my vote to the highest vote receiver before daytime ends if doing so is necessary to cause a hanging.
On a different matter: The death of supersoft seemed odd. He seemed ambiguous as to whether he was town or mafia. Of course, mafia want to kill people who are obviously townies, so that when it comes to voting, everyone is a suspect. He also isn't a power player as far as I know. I know he didn't make that 6-player list of Radfield, Palmar, redFF, syllogism, Jackal58, and Sandroba.
So why was he killed?
I can think of somebody who had a motive to kill him: Lanaia. Supersoft made a sexist comment about girls always contradicting themselves. I think that comment was inappropriate but Lanaia appeared to take it in stride. But maybe she got the last laugh and killed supersoft for it.
It is enough to put Lanaia on my radar anyways. Add this guy to my summyish list Radfield. The part that you bolded is me indicating that I would prefer to hang someone today rather than not hang. How is that scummy?
Because you apparently don't care who it is.
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That's an argument for me NOT being mafia if I don't care who it is . . . care to expound how that makes me mafia?
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On December 09 2011 03:19 TruthBringer wrote:
That's an argument for me NOT being mafia if I don't care who it is . . . care to expound how that makes me mafia?
Only scum don't care if they are hammering a townie.
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Hypothetical: My mafia buddy has 10 votes, I say I'll hang highest voter, I cast the deciding vote to hang my mafia buddy.
As a townie, seeing how people flip when they die reveals information about those who chose to hang them and who didn't and about who they voted for.
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On December 09 2011 03:27 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 03:19 TruthBringer wrote:
That's an argument for me NOT being mafia if I don't care who it is . . . care to expound how that makes me mafia? Only scum don't care if they are hammering a townie.
Only Mafia know if they are hammering a townie.
Look jackal58, you are making yourself look more suspicious to me with this. You are arguing a position that has no basis. You've put no thought into it whatsoever. You seem to just be trying to get by.
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Jackal you are right, Truthbringer you are also right. You guys are arguing over the same words but have different meanings. Jackal is trying to say that it is very scummy to just vote anyone without any logic or reason behind the vote other than to just get someone hung. Truth is saying that he is willing to push the lynch of someone instead of a no-lynch, and I am pretty sure he is implying that any person that close to being lynched probably has a decent case against them. Im sure if Truth was like a detective or somehow knew that the person up for lynching he would be fighting tooth and nail to have them not lynched and switch a target.
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I just had this random thought, as we seem to be in this fight between Erandorr or annul's lynch.
Ask yourself which flip gives you the most.
- If Erandorr flips scum, congrats we got scum.
- If Erandorr flips town, fuck our lives.
- If annul flips scum, we can disregard his protection claim or assume it exists; either way, we got a scum and that also should increase Palmars credibility(which seems to be worrying a lot of people)
- If annul flips town, Palmar's credibility goes downhill BUT we confirm that there is at least one town-aligned medic other than the supposed Drazerk claim.
either way, annul's flip should provide us much more information than Erandorr's flip.
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prplhz, uh what?
Declaring you will not allow a no lynch is fine. Declaring that you wont push to lynch is scummy and will juat bandwagon is scummy. Vote what you think is right and worry about no lynch avoidance when the time comes.
All truhbringer said is if he is voting someone that wont get lynched and there is no majoritt he will change his vote.
That is fine and even normal/common.
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On December 09 2011 03:37 Zephirdd wrote:
I just had this random thought, as we seem to be in this fight between Erandorr or annul's lynch.
Ask yourself which flip gives you the most.
- If Erandorr flips scum, congrats we got scum.
- If Erandorr flips town, fuck our lives.
- If annul flips scum, we can disregard his protection claim or assume it exists; either way, we got a scum and that also should increase Palmars credibility(which seems to be worrying a lot of people)
- If annul flips town, Palmar's credibility goes downhill BUT we confirm that there is at least one town-aligned medic other than the supposed Drazerk claim.
either way, annul's flip should provide us much more information than Erandorr's flip.
Yeah this point is too good for me too ignore and be stubborn about. The information gained from lynching annul is greater than anyone else.
##unvote
##vote annul
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On December 09 2011 03:37 Zephirdd wrote:
I just had this random thought, as we seem to be in this fight between Erandorr or annul's lynch.
Ask yourself which flip gives you the most.
- If Erandorr flips scum, congrats we got scum.
- If Erandorr flips town, fuck our lives.
- If annul flips scum, we can disregard his protection claim or assume it exists; either way, we got a scum and that also should increase Palmars credibility(which seems to be worrying a lot of people)
- If annul flips town, Palmar's credibility goes downhill BUT we confirm that there is at least one town-aligned medic other than the supposed Drazerk claim.
either way, annul's flip should provide us much more information than Erandorr's flip.
The problem I have with that is that I'm not exactly willing to lynch for information. I am reading the case on annul again right after this post. A couple hours I thought it's weaker than my cae but who knows what sticking my nose into that case might make me see what I did not see earlier.
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On December 09 2011 03:51 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 03:37 Zephirdd wrote:
I just had this random thought, as we seem to be in this fight between Erandorr or annul's lynch.
Ask yourself which flip gives you the most.
- If Erandorr flips scum, congrats we got scum.
- If Erandorr flips town, fuck our lives.
- If annul flips scum, we can disregard his protection claim or assume it exists; either way, we got a scum and that also should increase Palmars credibility(which seems to be worrying a lot of people)
- If annul flips town, Palmar's credibility goes downhill BUT we confirm that there is at least one town-aligned medic other than the supposed Drazerk claim.
either way, annul's flip should provide us much more information than Erandorr's flip. The problem I have with that is that I'm not exactly willing to lynch for information. I am reading the case on annul again right after this post. A couple hours I thought it's weaker than my cae but who knows what sticking my nose into that case might make me see what I did not see earlier.
As an almost neutral party (I favor the lynching of eran straight up) the cases presented are close enough where the information becomes a tipping point for me.
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On December 09 2011 03:53 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 03:51 Toadesstern wrote:On December 09 2011 03:37 Zephirdd wrote:
I just had this random thought, as we seem to be in this fight between Erandorr or annul's lynch.
Ask yourself which flip gives you the most.
- If Erandorr flips scum, congrats we got scum.
- If Erandorr flips town, fuck our lives.
- If annul flips scum, we can disregard his protection claim or assume it exists; either way, we got a scum and that also should increase Palmars credibility(which seems to be worrying a lot of people)
- If annul flips town, Palmar's credibility goes downhill BUT we confirm that there is at least one town-aligned medic other than the supposed Drazerk claim.
either way, annul's flip should provide us much more information than Erandorr's flip. The problem I have with that is that I'm not exactly willing to lynch for information. I am reading the case on annul again right after this post. A couple hours I thought it's weaker than my cae but who knows what sticking my nose into that case might make me see what I did not see earlier. As an almost neutral party (I favor the lynching of eran straight up) the cases presented are close enough where the information becomes a tipping point for me.
I am going to quote palmar here because he at least made me agree to that one:
On December 09 2011 00:49 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 00:41 Toadesstern wrote:On December 09 2011 00:35 Palmar wrote:On December 09 2011 00:26 redFF wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Palmar
the slowness of this wagon and the amount of protest from people like prplhz and his awful case against annul is enough. Explain where the case is awful. And would you be more comfortable voting annul if the wagon was faster? I'm asking because normally I hear people throw around ideas that fast-building wagons are scummy, but now you say slow building wagons are scummy? Say, what rate would you prefer the wagon to get going at? Or did you just throw that in there to justify your vote on me? The problem is that it went incredible fast early on (the first 6 votes) and stopped there for 24 hours. Do you really think 4 people are sheeping you that hard to just vote like this without an explanation? Don't you think mafia would have hoped on that wagon sometimes yesterday no matter annuls alignment? If you're really right with your case I would not want to touch annul with a pole from here to whereever he lives. If you're wrong mafia would love to get on that wagon to see a townie dead without doing a thing (that is if you're town) and would have hoped on there not right from the beginning but surely sometime. Because I can't see one of that happening I'm saying that there's already 1 or 2 mafias who hopped on that wagon from the very beginning along with some sheeping townies. As I explained earlier, looking at things like this has no value towards the case. Mafia could bandwagon a fellow mafia to get exactly this reaction from you. I say it once again, you cannot deduce anything about anyone by looking at the reactions of someone else, you should read the person, and only that person. Read the case, agree or disagree with it. Ignore everything but exactly the content of the case. I'm more than fine with you pushing your own case, but at the end of the day, if you fail to secure enough support for your case, you should take a firm stance towards the leading two cases. If for some reason the annul lynch fails, I will myself be forced to look at alternative cases. However, at this rate I don't expect it to.
That's the reason I'm even considering to vote for annul because before palmar mad this clear I was never ever going to vote annul with people like Drazerk, Erandorr, Sandroba, prplhz, Refallen (<--at least a null for me, which is not a good sign among those guys) on him. That's literally every scummy player in this game therefore I said this wagon looks like the Worst wagon ever. Not because of what palmars case was because of what people are voteing it.
If that's not a reason to not-vote for annul because I am only supposed to look at the case, the possible information gain is not something I'm going to take as an argument. Saying what I said is bad because you only have to look at the case when it hurts palmars case but when it's supporting his case it's okay?
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However I do agree with people takeing their vote off palmar to vote for erandorr or annul because those are the only 2 I see happening today.
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Saying what I said is bad because you only have to look at the case when it hurts palmars case but when it's supporting his case it's okay?
You gotta rephrase this i've read it 6 times and I just dont understand what you are trying to say
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EBWOP: upon more re-reading of that, you may want to re-read my filter, never did I claim that who is voting for a person should not be taken into account when making your decision.
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Yeah I read it as well and found it doesn't make sense at all but figured everyone gets what I'm saying, seems not to be true :p
That's the reason I'm even considering to vote for annul because before palmar made this clear I was never ever going to vote annul with people like Drazerk, Erandorr, Sandroba, prplhz, Refallen (<--at least a null for me, which is not a good sign among those guys) on him. That's literally every scummy player in this game therefore I said this wagon looks like the worst wagon ever. Not because of what palmars case is about but because who is agreeing to it / voteing.
If that's not a reason to not-vote for annul because I am only supposed to look at the case, the possible information gain is not something I'm going to take as an argument.
Telling me what I said is bad ("not voteing for annul because of scummy voters") because you're only supposed to look at the case and not who is sticking to it if it's hurting palmars case but as soon as its helping palmars case it's ok to look at other things, too? (information gain)
Rephrased a lot. That happens when I try to construct a sentence out of multiple sentences I had before while deleting other parts of the sentence. Works fine in german but the moment I try doing that in english I end up fwith stupid bullshit or german grammar :p
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On December 09 2011 02:24 TruthBringer wrote:
I will switch my vote to the highest vote receiver before daytime ends if doing so is necessary to cause a hanging.
On a different matter: The death of supersoft seemed odd. He seemed ambiguous as to whether he was town or mafia. Of course, mafia want to kill people who are obviously townies, so that when it comes to voting, everyone is a suspect. He also isn't a power player as far as I know. I know he didn't make that 6-player list of Radfield, Palmar, redFF, syllogism, Jackal58, and Sandroba.
So why was he killed?
I can think of somebody who had a motive to kill him: Lanaia. Supersoft made a sexist comment about girls always contradicting themselves. I think that comment was inappropriate but Lanaia appeared to take it in stride. But maybe she got the last laugh and killed supersoft for it.
It is enough to put Lanaia on my radar anyways.
I don't like this stuff where you're saying you'll switch to whoever has the highest vote...
Are you saying you don't care who gets lynched?
Are you kidding me? That is a terrible reason to think I'm scum. How the hell is that a motive to kill someone?
I have a question as reading Zephhy's post has made me reconsider a bit... information is better...
If we mislynch today, are we still safe from autolosing?
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