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On December 08 2011 02:06 prplhz wrote:
@Radfield
I'm not a big fan of you calling me "prp" it kinda reminds me of "perpetrator", can't you call me "prpl" or "prplhz" instead? I call you Radfield all the time.
Can you outline for me what is bothering you about me? I can see how you might have a problem with the two other people on that list, though I don't think either of them is a better lynch than annul at all. I'd like to stop you from writing a huge accusation on me because I doubt I'm getting lynched today and I wouldn't want you to waste time on a big post on me.
more reason to write an even bigger post please and thank you
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On December 08 2011 02:01 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 01:51 Radfield wrote:On December 08 2011 01:25 Mattchew wrote:
I post a whole list of scum reads and noone comments.. idk why I bother only to be called out for not contributing later... and then having stretched cases made against me by anyone that I disagree with That's because there is already a ongoing discussion topic which you only touched on a little bit. I agree that Erandorr looks like scum right now. I disagree with redff, he spams and posts 1 liners every game regardless of alignment. In his case, it is not a scum tell. Both Erandorr and RedFF claimed roleblocked, but that does not mean they necessarily have a role. Oftentimes in games you are informed you were roleblocked even if you are vanilla town. The chances of v7 and Palmar being both scum is astronomically low in my eyes. Not only do BOTH of them seem like townies, and BOTH have claimed likely town roles, but there is very little chance that the conversation between them was manufactured. I think that it would have been more productive to let them answer the question of what role they are. You have now given both of them an easy out and although it was probably going to be their answers, you have now essentially limited information we could be recieving. Also, Palmar and V7 were both in the last game and Palmar was involved firsthand in the Palmar vs. Ace vs. BC in which they were all town. It would be ingenius but not out of the question for them to stage a similar occurence this game.
Interesting. Would you mind explaining why us telling you our roles is pro-town?
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Palmar has commited himself to an interesting style this game. Day 1 he uses trollish lies to focus on one person and the focuses on defense. Today he is focusing on one fact (annul claimed shot but protected) only. Every other facit of his case on annul is extrapolation based on assumptions that he has pushed forward as 100% truth. For example, he assumes that it is a given that tue now dead vig was the one that shot at annul last night.
Palmar's stlye is very easy to play defensivily as he can always say I was wrong about that one thing I was focused on. By changing his approach to how he does his single minded focus he is able to say 'I am not doing ___ anymore.'
Palmar has nothing to lose by pressuring very specific issues in an extremely hard fashion and it trully serves to help focus the entire town in on very useless pieces of info.
Annul was shot and protected DOESN'T confirm a dang thing about anything.
Me saying that my notes are sloppy, incomplete, and not really formatted to be read by everyone in thread says nothing about my alignment.
Yet these are the things he is focusing every player onto. When he isn't stating his focus he is asking every player to talk about what he is focused on rather than anything else. He is very willing to point out the logical holes or incoorect meta/setup theory when it isn't about what he is focused on.
He is narrowing our focus onto wifom'able and inconclusive items and poking holes into everything else.
The only time he deviates from that is to lie, troll, defend himself, and call every point that isn't his dumb.
He is scum.
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On December 08 2011 02:09 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 02:01 Mattchew wrote:On December 08 2011 01:51 Radfield wrote:On December 08 2011 01:25 Mattchew wrote:
I post a whole list of scum reads and noone comments.. idk why I bother only to be called out for not contributing later... and then having stretched cases made against me by anyone that I disagree with That's because there is already a ongoing discussion topic which you only touched on a little bit. I agree that Erandorr looks like scum right now. I disagree with redff, he spams and posts 1 liners every game regardless of alignment. In his case, it is not a scum tell. Both Erandorr and RedFF claimed roleblocked, but that does not mean they necessarily have a role. Oftentimes in games you are informed you were roleblocked even if you are vanilla town. The chances of v7 and Palmar being both scum is astronomically low in my eyes. Not only do BOTH of them seem like townies, and BOTH have claimed likely town roles, but there is very little chance that the conversation between them was manufactured. I think that it would have been more productive to let them answer the question of what role they are. You have now given both of them an easy out and although it was probably going to be their answers, you have now essentially limited information we could be recieving. Also, Palmar and V7 were both in the last game and Palmar was involved firsthand in the Palmar vs. Ace vs. BC in which they were all town. It would be ingenius but not out of the question for them to stage a similar occurence this game. Interesting. Would you mind explaining why us telling you our roles is pro-town?
You may be right. But in that case How is saying that you were role blocked helpful? (this might be obvious to experienced players sorry)
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Mattchew, as has already been pointed out many setups will even inform a vanilla if he is roleblocked.
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On December 08 2011 02:56 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 02:09 Erandorr wrote:On December 08 2011 02:01 Mattchew wrote:On December 08 2011 01:51 Radfield wrote:On December 08 2011 01:25 Mattchew wrote:
I post a whole list of scum reads and noone comments.. idk why I bother only to be called out for not contributing later... and then having stretched cases made against me by anyone that I disagree with That's because there is already a ongoing discussion topic which you only touched on a little bit. I agree that Erandorr looks like scum right now. I disagree with redff, he spams and posts 1 liners every game regardless of alignment. In his case, it is not a scum tell. Both Erandorr and RedFF claimed roleblocked, but that does not mean they necessarily have a role. Oftentimes in games you are informed you were roleblocked even if you are vanilla town. The chances of v7 and Palmar being both scum is astronomically low in my eyes. Not only do BOTH of them seem like townies, and BOTH have claimed likely town roles, but there is very little chance that the conversation between them was manufactured. I think that it would have been more productive to let them answer the question of what role they are. You have now given both of them an easy out and although it was probably going to be their answers, you have now essentially limited information we could be recieving. Also, Palmar and V7 were both in the last game and Palmar was involved firsthand in the Palmar vs. Ace vs. BC in which they were all town. It would be ingenius but not out of the question for them to stage a similar occurence this game. Interesting. Would you mind explaining why us telling you our roles is pro-town? You may be right. But in that case How is saying that you were role blocked helpful? (this might be obvious to experienced players sorry)
It is useful information. Sure he could lie and we should not just take it for granted but there's no downside to it.
If you're telling the truth and town believes you they got more information even if you're a VT. If they don't, they don't who cares. It's not like it's a suspicious move to tell people you got roleblocked.
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vader cant you just dayvig again and shoot palmar?
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Ok Palmar I want to hear your thoughts about Annul. I told you I'm not going to sheep on that wagon with a voting list full of suspicious people and I'd like to hear what people I think are green are thinking about it. Let's summarize those guys I have said multiple times that I think they're green:
Hyshes: Yes it's a meta one, but a pretty strong one and I'm sticking to it. He migh not be right with what he says but he's looks to be honest. He's not on the annul wagon
Radfield: He said he got some problems with Annul but thinks this wagon is wrong. At least what was pointed out by you guys is wrong. I do agree 100%. I said annul might be an option to talk about but all you said is just bullshit + I'm not going to sheep you guys
V7: I said he's lookdy pretty town to me. He looks to be emotional right now as I don't agree on a palmar vote yet although I got to agree, you're giving me a hard time to keep my green read on you Palmar.
Those 3 are basicly the 3 guys I got the biggest green read on right now. None of them voted for annul. I'm not going to vote annul until you step in this thread and give us a pretty damn good explanation why we should follow you.
And no "X, vote Annul, now" is not a good one.
I could go on. Those people who are voteing annul without a doubt are ALL suspicious right now and that's not because of the annul vote. Those people I'm not sure of or those tending-towards-town-guys haven't voted yet.
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On December 08 2011 03:22 Mattchew wrote:
vader cant you just dayvig again and shoot palmar?
No, once I have used an ability I can't use it again.
Toad I really am not emotional. I started that post as a look at annul cuz he is the vote leader and it just led to the fact that the case on him by palmar is a distraction and nothing more.
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On December 08 2011 03:27 vaderseven wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 03:22 Mattchew wrote:
vader cant you just dayvig again and shoot palmar? No, once I have used an ability I can't use it again. Toad I really am not emotional. I started that post as a look at annul cuz he is the vote leader and it just led to the fact that the case on him by palmar is a distraction and nothing more.
Would you if you could?
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Radfield
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On December 08 2011 02:01 Mattchew wrote:
I think that it would have been more productive to let them answer the question of what role they are. You have now given both of them an easy out and although it was probably going to be their answers, you have now essentially limited information we could be recieving.
Also, Palmar and V7 were both in the last game and Palmar was involved firsthand in the Palmar vs. Ace vs. BC in which they were all town. It would be ingenius but not out of the question for them to stage a similar occurence this game.
We do not need to know their roles. Town roles are best hidden, but it is entirely appropriate for them to claim the were roleblocked.
On December 08 2011 02:09 Erandorr wrote:
Interesting. Would you mind explaining why us telling you our roles is pro-town?
If you are town erandorr, I urge you to start contributing more content. You are obviously around, yet doing very very little.
On December 08 2011 02:06 prplhz wrote:
@Radfield
I'm not a big fan of you calling me "prp" it kinda reminds me of "perpetrator", can't you call me "prpl" or "prplhz" instead? I call you Radfield all the time.
Can you outline for me what is bothering you about me? I can see how you might have a problem with the two other people on that list, though I don't think either of them is a better lynch than annul at all. I'd like to stop you from writing a huge accusation on me because I doubt I'm getting lynched today and I wouldn't want you to waste time on a big post on me.
I have never considered that you didn't like prp. Sorry about that, and I'm happy to use your full name 
I'll post what I have written on you so far, and quickly finish it off:
OK, I think prplhz is scum.
Before getting into specifics of this game, I want to talk a bit about prplhz's style and general posting habits.
A town aligned prplhz is what I would call a highly aggressive player. He calls people out, calls people names, is not afraid of going after big names, and has a good sense of what tells are null.
An example of Mini Mafia X(prplhz is Vanilla townie):
Are you fucking kidding me?
That's stupid.
Then tell me why you think Palmar's plan to lynch wherebugsgo on day1 is good. I am really interested in that.
You guys all suck. jaybrundage has a valid excuse but people like Mr. Wiggles and Palmar don't. Stop being derps.
Yea hiro protagonist is scum
He then proceeds to push hiro protagonist strongly, while at the same time pressuring several other players. He is confident, assertive and unafraid to get on someones bad side.
He is also not afraid to call vets scum if he sees it. In LOTR you went after DocHelvetica on day 1, in MMX he pushed WBG without support for 3 solid days. He did not build a proper case in either instance, but simply pushed them as scum.
Now lets talk about prplhz's scum play, because I think it's actually pretty decent. However, I would characterize it as being safe, helpful, generally 1 big case, and a very different tone. I would grab some game quotes here, but I'm just not going to have the time today. You'll have to take my word for it. Check out PYPInteresting specifically though
What makes prplhz scum this game:
He is consistently jumping on people for small things and small tells, and NOT pressuring in the way I would expect. First his vote on Truthbringer. Now, truthbringer said some outrageously anti-town things, and really 'new player' things as well. However, prplhz's entire argument is weak and he should know it. Saying dumb things does NOT make someone scum, and oftentimes is more of a townie tell. I would typically expect prplhz to call him on it and let it pass. He does no such thing though, and argues several times that Truthbringer is actually scum.
Yet, and this is a big yet, there is absolutely no conviction there.
Also, you proclaim your worthlessness lowering everybody's expectations of you. You can absolutely catch a scum even if you don't have any extensive meta with him/her (I think I just proved that). At the very least YOU CAN TRY, unless you don't want to but in that case you're scum and you can just die.
^Kinda indicates Truth is scum, but waffles a bit
What motivation could there be for a townie to propose a no-lynch this early on day1 in a closed setup? Do you think TruthBringer is bad enough not to be able to figure this out himself?
^Indicates Truth is probably scum, ie "what motivation could there be for a townie...."
The scum motivation is to push anti-town agenda. This is obviously not a team effort. What makes me jump on TruthBringer is that he apparently played before so he should be smarter than this. I find it very hard to speculate about closed setups but he does that and he talks about zodiac lists in a very confident manner that makes me think he is good at mafia, and then he proposes a very anti-town plan at a very bad time.
^Seems to indicate Truth is definitely scum
Yet after all that he finishes pretty soft(quote below) and his tone indicates(at least to me) that he doesn't actually think Truth is scum.
I'm not saying that you can pick out scum just based on what they write in the thread, I'm saying that it is possible and that it is in the best interest of town that everybody gives it a try. I don't have any experience with you, but what you say is still anti-town and that makes me very suspicious of you when I think you should know better.
Why are you proposing that we are both good guys? What do you think of me and my alignment? I'm not saying that it's always a good idea to hang people on day1, I'm saying that it's always bad idea to drop the idea of a lynch early on day1.
Can I ask, when you played before did towns often rely on power roles instead of analysis?
Later on, he posts basically his last comment to truthbringer, and last mention of him at all outside of "I still think truthbringer is scummy"
@TruthBringer
You said that "Sometimes it's better doing nothing than something." what makes you think that it is better to do nothing than it is to do something in the situation we are in right now?
Do you think, right now, that no-lynch is a better option than lynching somebody? If you had to lynch somebody right now who would it be and why? What kind of information do you think we'd have day2 that we wouldn't have day1 if we didn't lynch? Do you think the only thing to gain from a lynch is a flip and a vote list?
Why don't you think you can read any of us? Is it because you don't know how we usually play or is it because you haven't played mafia for a while and you don't feel confident about your abilities right now?
You also never answered my question; when you played before, did town often rely on power roles instead of analysis?
^Again, this is not the tone that prplhz takes with people he thinks are scum. He pushes them aggressively, not softballing them questions. Questions which Truth never answers and prplhz never follows up on.
Since then prplhz has completely let truth off the hook.
Next: vaderseven
On December 06 2011 02:04 prplhz wrote:
This is all stupid, and extraordinarily rash by vaderseven.
##Unvote TruthBringer
##Vote vaderseven
Why are you just trolling the thread and then forcing people to do stupid shit like this Palmar?
Votes vaderseven for being "stupid and extraordinarily rash". Extraordinarly rash? Really? My thinking is that if you actually thought vaderseven was mafia, you would absolutely NOT characterize his play as extraordinarily rash. You would characterize it as opportunistic or perhaps panicky, but not rash. Rash is very much a townie trait.
Notice also that prplhz accuses Palmar of forcing people to do stupid shit. If prplhz ACTUALLY thought vaderseven was scum because of this exchange, then he should be applauding Palmar for outting a scum, NOT chiding him. You absolutely cannot have it both ways. Either vader is scummy and it was a great play by Palmar to out him, or vader is town and is was stupid of Palmar to force the issue.
This shows a solidly scum mindset. Accuse vader of being scum for acting stupidly, accuse Palmar of bad play for forcing the issue. prplhz KNOWS that both are town, and lets neither of them off the hook.
Prp mentions vader again Here, but I don't have much to say about it. I think he is deliberately refusing to see things from vaders point of view, and nitpicking the way the situation went down, instead of looking at it in whole form.
Where would you put Jackal58 and redFF on that medic protect list? Why do you think mafia would block vaderseven, do you think he might have two shots, one for day and one for night? Doesn't that seem a little over powered?
^Doesn't seem to doubt vader's claim here, yet if prplhz really thinks vaderseven is scum, it means he thinks vader is absolutely lying about his Jack claim. Yet prplhz has never even mentioned the possibility. It seems to me that prplhz is sticking with vader for lack of a better target, and refusing to assimilate the additional info that indicates vader is town. Prplhz is simply sticking with the sentiment because it is thread accepted to do so.
Next: Hier vote
I'm voting Hier if Lanaia isn't getting lynched and Palmar is in danger, but she's a better lynch. I feel the same way about Hier as sandroba does, it's bothersome trying to defend a guy who doesn't give a shit himself. I get a slight townie feel about him even though I agree that his case is terrible and looks a bit forced, but townies who want to contribute but have a hard time will force themselves to do silly analysis too. His analysis in XLVII was also on prominent townies (Palmar/wherebugsgo/BloodyC0bbler) and that fits this pattern. But he is more likely to be scum than Palmar right now, and he is certainly not going to be as useful for town when he doesn't post anything.
Not once not twice but three times prplhz indicates that he thinks Hier could be town. However he couches that in three instances of reasons to vote him. Classic scum vote post. Plenty of outs, plenty of ass-covering, no willingness to straight-up accept the mislynch.
Next: Mattchew case
I find this an exceptionally weak case prplhz builds on Mattchew. It picks up every null tell and newbie town tell that Mattchew has made. Prplhz knows better than this. He even prefaces his entire argument with stating he sucks at making strong arguments:
Hey, I've decided to try my hand at some case writing even though I haven't done this successfully for god knows how long.
He also makes a very similarly weak case(but long winded) on Foolishness in PYPI(when prplhz is red). I could talk more about this but I'm not going to.
Next: Annul vote
Gonna cut things short here. Spends two or three posts defending annul and states several times he does not think he is scum. As the bandwagon builds he is suddenly swayed by Sandroba bunk post:
On December 08 2011 01:04 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 00:54 sandroba wrote:
Pretty damn obvious that syllo shot annul and no retard in his right mind would protect him night1. VOTE ANNUL RIGHT NOW IF YOU VOTE ANYONE ELSE YOU MAFIA. Holy fuck. ##Vote annul
I honestly thought he was joking at first, but it appears he was serious.
At this point I'm fairly confident prplhz is scum.
##Vote prplhz
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Rad.. Do you think a talking scum (iyo prplhz) is worse than a lurker scum (imo Erandor). Mind you the case against Erandor is weaker but he may be more dangerous.
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On December 08 2011 03:34 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 03:27 vaderseven wrote:On December 08 2011 03:22 Mattchew wrote:
vader cant you just dayvig again and shoot palmar? No, once I have used an ability I can't use it again. Toad I really am not emotional. I started that post as a look at annul cuz he is the vote leader and it just led to the fact that the case on him by palmar is a distraction and nothing more. Would you if you could?
Uh, I don't know. I wish I had done it in the first place ocer soap but what you are asking isn't possible so I haven't considered it.
I guess not right now is the answer I have.
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@zephirdd you have no idea what your talking about. I used to post a lot of one liners before we had the filter in place, so saying that im posting a lot to fill out my filter is an assumption with no evidence to back it up.
You're saying i remind you of serejai in xlvii when he was town in that.. so your point is what exactly?
I still mantain that anyone trying to nolynch yesterday was anti-town.
If corrupt's case is mildly bad, then what the hell is yours???
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On December 08 2011 01:39 Mattchew wrote:
I am slowly becoming more and more ok with lynching Palmar, and if he flips red following with the lynching V7.
Red and Eran still waiting on the roles you claim to be blocked from doing... One of them could be mafia and had their KP blocked
hahahahahahahah rolefish much? im not telling you shit.
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On December 08 2011 03:46 redFF wrote:
@zephirdd you have no idea what your talking about. I used to post a lot of one liners before we had the filter in place, so saying that im posting a lot to fill out my filter is an assumption with no evidence to back it up.
You're saying i remind you of serejai in xlvii when he was town in that.. so your point is what exactly?
I still mantain that anyone trying to nolynch yesterday was anti-town.
If corrupt's case is mildly bad, then what the hell is yours???
You're saying i remind you of serejai in xlvii when he was town in that.. so your point is what exactly?
Townie: Serejai
That
If corrupt's case is mildly bad, then what the hell is yours???
Hang on, let me cry in a corner please.
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Radfield!
So it's you! I'm surprised, your day 1 play was actually quite solid.
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On December 08 2011 03:55 Palmar wrote:
Radfield!
So it's you! I'm surprised, your day 1 play was actually quite solid.
that's what I meant earlier... care to explain at least A BIT?
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