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annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 07 2011 16:23 GMT
#1341
On December 07 2011 21:46 kingjames01 wrote:
annul, what do you mean, you "asked"? Did you ask the mods how you were saved? Is that what you meant?


wbg: "you took a hit tonight"

me: "does this mean a medic saved me?"

wbg: "yes"
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
December 07 2011 16:23 GMT
#1342
On December 08 2011 01:09 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 01:01 Zephirdd wrote:
sandroba is waaaay too different from the last game. More and more I'm inclined to believe that his new "style" is actually "I'm mafia this game".

On December 07 2011 23:53 Palmar wrote:
On December 07 2011 23:40 Zephirdd wrote:

Right off the bat, it's clear that he won't follow any advices regarding his playstyle. When town was told to worry about establishing innocence, redFF goes straight into an aggressive instance voting on Palmar before all the bullshit.
Every single post of his is a bad post. filter. One-line, simple, double-posting(to generate volume on the filter), mostly zero content. Reminds me of someone on another game.



Not a scumtell. Being aggressive and independent is if anything more likely to be something townies do. While his case on me was terribly forced because there was no content to analyse, it doesn't automatically make him scum. Not to mention, the game you're pointing to, Serejai was town.

His "tunneling" of Corrupt ceased very soon, he didn't push him any more than after the huge post Corrupt made, despite "still being suspicious of him". It just goes with my idea that Corrupt is also scum.


You can't determine anything about anyone from the actions of others, if you allow yourself that, then you're opening up a new arsenal of weapons for scum. Analyze each one of them individually, but not together.

He goes on of how much we need a lynch of some sort, and then goes with this
anyone not on a large wagon is anti town

Exactly how much is that true? I don't disagree that it was good to lynch Hier, but how is not being on a wagon anti-town and not anti-scum? What bugs me the most is how much thought he puts into his posts: none. He doesn't expand on that thought and doesn't explain why a no-lynch would be bad in his opinion, not even to echo somebody's else opinion.


Putting no thought into your posts concludes the person is trolling, dumb, or an asshole. None of these can be directly associated with that person being scum.

Later, he goes back to Palmar, not because he "thinks he is scummy", but because "he is fucking around and is detrimental to town. plus we need a lynch."; Inconsistency to fit what looked like the easiest wagon at the time.

And of course he switches to Hier in order to achieve that lynch, that was soooo useful for town.


Some people hold the belief that a lynch must always be achieved very highly. Many of those people do it as town too.

Corrupt then tries a mildly bad case on him during the night, that is just answered with an all-caps post. Nobody picks it, and they move on - Corrupt doesn't continue with it, everything is gone and people just ignore both.


Stop creating links you cannot know exist.

Day 2 had his best posts all game long: appealing to new players the same way he says Palmar did. He even tells how Palmar has done no scumhunting and is trying to fuck up any pro-town atmosphere "we" try to create, when in fact his own posts aren't creating any town atmosphere and even warranted a couple of mod warnings.


Grats, you've successfully proven redFF is a moron. That doesn't make him scum.

redFF is scum
If you don't think so, at least take your time to take a close look at his actions, and ask yourself whether those actions are good for town or not.

My vote goes to him, obviously.


Now go put your vote on annul.

I'm not ruling out the possibility of redFF being scum, there just isn't any concrete evidence for it at the moment, so I think you'd do much more good voting for annul.



(disregard the link between him and Corrupt I made, as I said, it was a forced analysis there)

I'm not voting annul until he tries to explain himself or someone claims his protection. If none of this happens by the end of the day-cycle, I'll gladly vote him.

If I concluded that he is a moron/dumb/troll instead of a scum with that analysis, then I'm up to hammering down a moron/dumb/troll like him. At very least you proved to shape up a bit towards the end of the day.

Play nice please. Don't call someone a moron/dumb/troll. Attack arguments, not people.


I just echoed Palmar's words there, sorry 'bout it.



Palmar, what's with this black-and-white(or should I say green-and-red) thing? If I'm not with you I'm against you, really? I don't have any reason to believe that annul is more scum than redFF, therefore I'm not voting him. "Chosing sides" is just wrong, ESPECIALLY when annul still hasn't defended/explained himself.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
December 07 2011 16:25 GMT
#1343
I post a whole list of scum reads and noone comments.. idk why I bother only to be called out for not contributing later... and then having stretched cases made against me by anyone that I disagree with
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 07 2011 16:27 GMT
#1344
On December 08 2011 01:23 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 01:09 Qatol wrote:
On December 08 2011 01:01 Zephirdd wrote:
sandroba is waaaay too different from the last game. More and more I'm inclined to believe that his new "style" is actually "I'm mafia this game".

On December 07 2011 23:53 Palmar wrote:
On December 07 2011 23:40 Zephirdd wrote:

Right off the bat, it's clear that he won't follow any advices regarding his playstyle. When town was told to worry about establishing innocence, redFF goes straight into an aggressive instance voting on Palmar before all the bullshit.
Every single post of his is a bad post. filter. One-line, simple, double-posting(to generate volume on the filter), mostly zero content. Reminds me of someone on another game.



Not a scumtell. Being aggressive and independent is if anything more likely to be something townies do. While his case on me was terribly forced because there was no content to analyse, it doesn't automatically make him scum. Not to mention, the game you're pointing to, Serejai was town.

His "tunneling" of Corrupt ceased very soon, he didn't push him any more than after the huge post Corrupt made, despite "still being suspicious of him". It just goes with my idea that Corrupt is also scum.


You can't determine anything about anyone from the actions of others, if you allow yourself that, then you're opening up a new arsenal of weapons for scum. Analyze each one of them individually, but not together.

He goes on of how much we need a lynch of some sort, and then goes with this
anyone not on a large wagon is anti town

Exactly how much is that true? I don't disagree that it was good to lynch Hier, but how is not being on a wagon anti-town and not anti-scum? What bugs me the most is how much thought he puts into his posts: none. He doesn't expand on that thought and doesn't explain why a no-lynch would be bad in his opinion, not even to echo somebody's else opinion.


Putting no thought into your posts concludes the person is trolling, dumb, or an asshole. None of these can be directly associated with that person being scum.

Later, he goes back to Palmar, not because he "thinks he is scummy", but because "he is fucking around and is detrimental to town. plus we need a lynch."; Inconsistency to fit what looked like the easiest wagon at the time.

And of course he switches to Hier in order to achieve that lynch, that was soooo useful for town.


Some people hold the belief that a lynch must always be achieved very highly. Many of those people do it as town too.

Corrupt then tries a mildly bad case on him during the night, that is just answered with an all-caps post. Nobody picks it, and they move on - Corrupt doesn't continue with it, everything is gone and people just ignore both.


Stop creating links you cannot know exist.

Day 2 had his best posts all game long: appealing to new players the same way he says Palmar did. He even tells how Palmar has done no scumhunting and is trying to fuck up any pro-town atmosphere "we" try to create, when in fact his own posts aren't creating any town atmosphere and even warranted a couple of mod warnings.


Grats, you've successfully proven redFF is a moron. That doesn't make him scum.

redFF is scum
If you don't think so, at least take your time to take a close look at his actions, and ask yourself whether those actions are good for town or not.

My vote goes to him, obviously.


Now go put your vote on annul.

I'm not ruling out the possibility of redFF being scum, there just isn't any concrete evidence for it at the moment, so I think you'd do much more good voting for annul.



(disregard the link between him and Corrupt I made, as I said, it was a forced analysis there)

I'm not voting annul until he tries to explain himself or someone claims his protection. If none of this happens by the end of the day-cycle, I'll gladly vote him.

If I concluded that he is a moron/dumb/troll instead of a scum with that analysis, then I'm up to hammering down a moron/dumb/troll like him. At very least you proved to shape up a bit towards the end of the day.

Play nice please. Don't call someone a moron/dumb/troll. Attack arguments, not people.


I just echoed Palmar's words there, sorry 'bout it.



Palmar, what's with this black-and-white(or should I say green-and-red) thing? If I'm not with you I'm against you, really? I don't have any reason to believe that annul is more scum than redFF, therefore I'm not voting him. "Chosing sides" is just wrong, ESPECIALLY when annul still hasn't defended/explained himself.


That's actually very decent point. Why would palmar do such a thing as painting his' name green and annuls name red? To get people thinking "hey if he is mafia than I am town" or vice verca is a common mafia thing. Actually even Palmar said it's a logical error. This is not helping town at all, no matter what the flip (if we are going to lynch you OR annul) would be, you get people tunneled no matter what because they think "well if he was X than the other guy has to be Y".
That's like the worst thing that could happen to town. Don't fall for this guys although I don't know if it was sarcasm because of sandrobas post or if it was for real.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
December 07 2011 16:30 GMT
#1345
On December 08 2011 01:25 Mattchew wrote:
I post a whole list of scum reads and noone comments.. idk why I bother only to be called out for not contributing later... and then having stretched cases made against me by anyone that I disagree with


don't worry; just leave it that way. at least you are putting your thoughts into the game and it is helping, even if indirectly.
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 07 2011 16:34 GMT
#1346
On December 08 2011 01:25 Mattchew wrote:
I post a whole list of scum reads and noone comments.. idk why I bother only to be called out for not contributing later... and then having stretched cases made against me by anyone that I disagree with

sry I didn't mention it. Look at my reasoning. I said I don't like the list of people who are voting for annul because they're all suspicious. That's me agreeing with you without mentioning that half the people that are voteing for annul are those you got pointed out by several people, like you did.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 07 2011 16:36 GMT
#1347
On December 08 2011 01:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 01:25 Mattchew wrote:
I post a whole list of scum reads and noone comments.. idk why I bother only to be called out for not contributing later... and then having stretched cases made against me by anyone that I disagree with

sry I didn't mention it. Look at my reasoning. I said I don't like the list of people who are voting for annul because they're all suspicious. That's me agreeing with you without mentioning that half the people that are voteing for annul are those who got pointed out by several people, like you did.

EBWOP: sry guys. I'm out for an hour, really need to eat something and get some sugar. I'm just makeing typos all over the place because my brains fucked up right now. I'm not a good help atm
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 07 2011 16:36 GMT
#1348
holy shit i wake up and i have 6 votes on me lol

why the fuck is palmar of all people leading a wagon on ME of all people? did you all forget the shit he pulled yesterday? letting palmar run shit = outed jack and a dead green

for what its worth reds may not actually get 3 KP -- i logically deduced this because A. who the fuck would shoot me night 1, and B. night vigs usually dont get to shoot night 1. yes i now see syllo's flip and i know they can but they usually cant. yeah syllo was on my ass all of night 1 so he probably did, but i didnt even think it was possible to do until i checked the OP

i find it funny that palmar keeps with the omgus trend and thinks "oh my god, annul told town to cool off in 47 and he isnt doing it now, he must be red, GET HIM" yeah in 47 you were MAYOR, thats why i pulled everyone off you.

6 votes in an instawagon because.... i claimed the truth, that i got shot, immediately upon seeing the PM? which not a single red player would ever do? against all the shit palmar did day 1 and his logical failures day 2? LOLOLOL



the medic who saved me needs to shut the fuck up and not claim. whoever said "ill keep on annul until you claim" needs to be looked at really hard
hyshes
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium428 Posts
December 07 2011 16:37 GMT
#1349
On December 08 2011 01:11 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 01:07 hyshes wrote:
I'm going to vote for palmar. I don't like the bandwagon on annul by those players. The fact that palmar is so pushing heavy makes him the right lynch to me.


In 157 letters you managed to make two logical errors.

a) You cannot deduce anything about a person's alignment by other people's reactions to their posts.

b) Trying to spearhead lynches is generally not a scumtell.

This pains me because I think you're town, your posts during the night feel simply out of place if you're scum, unless of course the decision to kill syllo was made after his row with annul. But please, re-think your stance.


I never said (a).. I just don't like (in the sense of this game, i have no problem with you guys whatsoever) the people voting for anul. Thats why i don't vote for anul. And I don't deduct your alignment from their posts, i'm taking it from yours.

(b) is just not a void argument.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
December 07 2011 16:39 GMT
#1350
I am slowly becoming more and more ok with lynching Palmar, and if he flips red following with the lynching V7.

Red and Eran still waiting on the roles you claim to be blocked from doing... One of them could be mafia and had their KP blocked
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 07 2011 16:45 GMT
#1351
Just noticed that Syllo had two bullets, which means he absolutely shot night 1. Given no one else took a hit, he most definitely shot Annul.


That does NOT make Annul scum....

I have my own problems with annul so far, but none of them make me think he is the best lynch today. I would much rather lynch someone like prp, sandro or kingjames.

What makes you so sure Annul is scum Palmar? What do you think of prp right now?
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 07 2011 16:51 GMT
#1352
On December 08 2011 01:25 Mattchew wrote:
I post a whole list of scum reads and noone comments.. idk why I bother only to be called out for not contributing later... and then having stretched cases made against me by anyone that I disagree with



That's because there is already a ongoing discussion topic which you only touched on a little bit. I agree that Erandorr looks like scum right now. I disagree with redff, he spams and posts 1 liners every game regardless of alignment. In his case, it is not a scum tell.

Both Erandorr and RedFF claimed roleblocked, but that does not mean they necessarily have a role. Oftentimes in games you are informed you were roleblocked even if you are vanilla town.

The chances of v7 and Palmar being both scum is astronomically low in my eyes. Not only do BOTH of them seem like townies, and BOTH have claimed likely town roles, but there is very little chance that the conversation between them was manufactured.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
December 07 2011 16:52 GMT
#1353
On December 08 2011 01:36 annul wrote:
holy shit i wake up and i have 6 votes on me lol

why the fuck is palmar of all people leading a wagon on ME of all people? did you all forget the shit he pulled yesterday? letting palmar run shit = outed jack and a dead green

for what its worth reds may not actually get 3 KP -- i logically deduced this because A. who the fuck would shoot me night 1, and B. night vigs usually dont get to shoot night 1. yes i now see syllo's flip and i know they can but they usually cant. yeah syllo was on my ass all of night 1 so he probably did, but i didnt even think it was possible to do until i checked the OP

i find it funny that palmar keeps with the omgus trend and thinks "oh my god, annul told town to cool off in 47 and he isnt doing it now, he must be red, GET HIM" yeah in 47 you were MAYOR, thats why i pulled everyone off you.

6 votes in an instawagon because.... i claimed the truth, that i got shot, immediately upon seeing the PM? which not a single red player would ever do? against all the shit palmar did day 1 and his logical failures day 2? LOLOLOL



the medic who saved me needs to shut the fuck up and not claim. whoever said "ill keep on annul until you claim" needs to be looked at really hard


I said this.. I am taking it back... I am still learning whats good for town and whats not. I do not want to vote you tonight yet. I want more discussion on Palmar, V7, redFF, Eran and yourself. You all seem very scummy to me.

+ Show Spoiler [sandroba style] +
PALMAR, V7, REDFF ERAN AND ANNUL You all seem very scummy to me.

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 07 2011 16:54 GMT
#1354
On December 07 2011 23:15 Toadesstern wrote:
Radfield already mentioned the Chances of a Mafia visit on V7 are like 99%. Do you really think mafia let's a claimed blue role that has already proven that he's not bullshitting alive?



Once it became apparent that v7 could NOT use night powers last night, that chance of a visit went down by a ton. No point in them roleblocking someone who cannot use their powers. That only leaves them WIFOMing on hitting him or not and whether or not they think Draz would protect him.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 07 2011 16:54 GMT
#1355
On December 08 2011 01:52 Mattchew wrote:
PALMAR, V7, REDFF ERAN AND ANNUL You all seem very scummy to me.


yeah because this is obviously the most likely scenario, that if we were all red, we would all be collectively circle bussing each other

zzz
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
December 07 2011 16:58 GMT
#1356
Something is totally off about Radfield.

@Radfield Why am I a better lynch than annul? Why is sandroba a better lynch than annul? Why is kingjames01 a better lynch than annul?
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Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 07 2011 16:59 GMT
#1357
It's coming prp, though I'm beginning to think I won't finish it during lunch either.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
December 07 2011 17:01 GMT
#1358
On December 08 2011 01:51 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 01:25 Mattchew wrote:
I post a whole list of scum reads and noone comments.. idk why I bother only to be called out for not contributing later... and then having stretched cases made against me by anyone that I disagree with



That's because there is already a ongoing discussion topic which you only touched on a little bit. I agree that Erandorr looks like scum right now. I disagree with redff, he spams and posts 1 liners every game regardless of alignment. In his case, it is not a scum tell.

Both Erandorr and RedFF claimed roleblocked, but that does not mean they necessarily have a role. Oftentimes in games you are informed you were roleblocked even if you are vanilla town.

The chances of v7 and Palmar being both scum is astronomically low in my eyes. Not only do BOTH of them seem like townies, and BOTH have claimed likely town roles, but there is very little chance that the conversation between them was manufactured.


I think that it would have been more productive to let them answer the question of what role they are. You have now given both of them an easy out and although it was probably going to be their answers, you have now essentially limited information we could be recieving.

Also, Palmar and V7 were both in the last game and Palmar was involved firsthand in the Palmar vs. Ace vs. BC in which they were all town. It would be ingenius but not out of the question for them to stage a similar occurence this game.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
December 07 2011 17:06 GMT
#1359
On December 08 2011 01:54 annul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 01:52 Mattchew wrote:
PALMAR, V7, REDFF ERAN AND ANNUL You all seem very scummy to me.


yeah because this is obviously the most likely scenario, that if we were all red, we would all be collectively circle bussing each other

zzz


thank you for quoting my sarcastic version. Only palmar and you are being bussed right now
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
December 07 2011 17:06 GMT
#1360
@Radfield

I'm not a big fan of you calling me "prp" it kinda reminds me of "perpetrator", can't you call me "prpl" or "prplhz" instead? I call you Radfield all the time.

Can you outline for me what is bothering you about me? I can see how you might have a problem with the two other people on that list, though I don't think either of them is a better lynch than annul at all. I'd like to stop you from writing a huge accusation on me because I doubt I'm getting lynched today and I wouldn't want you to waste time on a big post on me.
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