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I am agreeing that annul is a viable option right now, but so are people like redFF and Drazerk right now imo.
I don't the fact that those people pushing for annul are ALL suspicious
+ Show Spoiler +On December 07 2011 20:23 Drazerk wrote:
##Vote Annul On December 07 2011 22:48 Palmar wrote:
##Vote annul On December 08 2011 00:27 Erandorr wrote:
##Vote Annul On December 08 2011 00:51 sandroba wrote:
##Vote: Annul On December 08 2011 00:56 Refallen wrote:
##Vote Annul
That's like THE WORST Wagon I ever saw. Not the reason behind that wagon but srsly guys? Look at that votelist
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On December 08 2011 00:59 Toadesstern wrote:I am agreeing that annul is a viable option right now, but so are people like redFF and Drazerk right now imo. I don't like the fact that those people pushing for annul are ALL suspicious + Show Spoiler +On December 07 2011 20:23 Drazerk wrote:
##Vote Annul On December 07 2011 22:48 Palmar wrote:
##Vote annul On December 08 2011 00:27 Erandorr wrote:
##Vote Annul On December 08 2011 00:51 sandroba wrote:
##Vote: Annul On December 08 2011 00:56 Refallen wrote:
##Vote Annul That's like THE WORST Wagon I ever saw. Not the reason behind that wagon but srsly guys? Look at that votelist
EBWOP, sry
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sandroba is waaaay too different from the last game. More and more I'm inclined to believe that his new "style" is actually "I'm mafia this game".
[quote=Palmar's counterarguments]On December 07 2011 23:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 23:40 Zephirdd wrote:Right off the bat, it's clear that he won't follow any advices regarding his playstyle. When town was told to worry about establishing innocence, redFF goes straight into an aggressive instance voting on Palmar before all the bullshit. Every single post of his is a bad post. filter. One-line, simple, double-posting(to generate volume on the filter), mostly zero content. Reminds me of someone on another game. Not a scumtell. Being aggressive and independent is if anything more likely to be something townies do. While his case on me was terribly forced because there was no content to analyse, it doesn't automatically make him scum. Not to mention, the game you're pointing to, Serejai was town. Show nested quote +His "tunneling" of Corrupt ceased very soon, he didn't push him any more than after the huge post Corrupt made, despite "still being suspicious of him". It just goes with my idea that Corrupt is also scum. You can't determine anything about anyone from the actions of others, if you allow yourself that, then you're opening up a new arsenal of weapons for scum. Analyze each one of them individually, but not together. Show nested quote +He goes on of how much we need a lynch of some sort, and then goes with this anyone not on a large wagon is anti town Exactly how much is that true? I don't disagree that it was good to lynch Hier, but how is not being on a wagon anti-town and not anti-scum? What bugs me the most is how much thought he puts into his posts: none. He doesn't expand on that thought and doesn't explain why a no-lynch would be bad in his opinion, not even to echo somebody's else opinion. Putting no thought into your posts concludes the person is trolling, dumb, or an asshole. None of these can be directly associated with that person being scum. Show nested quote +Later, he goes back to Palmar, not because he "thinks he is scummy", but because "he is fucking around and is detrimental to town. plus we need a lynch."; Inconsistency to fit what looked like the easiest wagon at the time.
And of course he switches to Hier in order to achieve that lynch, that was soooo useful for town.
Some people hold the belief that a lynch must always be achieved very highly. Many of those people do it as town too. Show nested quote +Corrupt then tries a mildly bad case on him during the night, that is just answered with an all-caps post. Nobody picks it, and they move on - Corrupt doesn't continue with it, everything is gone and people just ignore both. Stop creating links you cannot know exist. Show nested quote +Day 2 had his best posts all game long: appealing to new players the same way he says Palmar did. He even tells how Palmar has done no scumhunting and is trying to fuck up any pro-town atmosphere "we" try to create, when in fact his own posts aren't creating any town atmosphere and even warranted a couple of mod warnings. Grats, you've successfully proven redFF is a moron. That doesn't make him scum. Show nested quote +redFF is scum
If you don't think so, at least take your time to take a close look at his actions, and ask yourself whether those actions are good for town or not.
My vote goes to him, obviously. Now go put your vote on annul. I'm not ruling out the possibility of redFF being scum, there just isn't any concrete evidence for it at the moment, so I think you'd do much more good voting for annul.
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(disregard the link between him and Corrupt I made, as I said, it was a forced analysis there)
I'm not voting annul until he tries to explain himself or someone claims his protection. If none of this happens by the end of the day-cycle, I'll gladly vote him.
If I concluded that he is a moron/dumb/troll instead of a scum with that analysis, then I'm up to hammering down a moron/dumb/troll like him. At very least you proved to shape up a bit towards the end of the day.
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On December 08 2011 00:54 sandroba wrote:
Pretty damn obvious that syllo shot annul and no retard in his right mind would protect him night1. VOTE ANNUL RIGHT NOW IF YOU VOTE ANYONE ELSE YOU MAFIA.
Holy fuck.
##Vote annul
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Toad I gave some reasons earlier at the start of day 2, and so did Palmar
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On December 08 2011 00:58 sandroba wrote:
Palmar bro you need to stop posting reason and yell at people in all caps. It's clearly the only way it works.
How about song lyrics and dramatic speeches?
It can't be all coincidence
Too many things are evident
You tell me you're an unbeliever?
Spiritualist? Well me I'm neither
Wouldn't you like to know the truth
Of what's out there to have the proof
And find out just which side you're on
Where would you end in Heaven or in Hell?
Citizens of Liquidia!
Today is a day to remember, because today the true colors of the residents of town will be shown. Who will dare stand up against the Mafia and make the right choice? Remember that we must each reach the conclusion on our own while working against a highly organized team of evildoers.
Remember today, once night falls it is upon each individual in this town to analyze what happened here today, and more than any other day, today is the day where the lines are drawn.
Today you choose a side, today you show yourself as a valuable member of town or worthless scum seeking only to spread distrust while slowly taking our lives, one by one. Every single person will be held accountable to their actions today. Every single person will be remembered for what they did here today, for good or for bad.
Remember today!
Palmar or annul
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I'm going to vote for palmar. I don't like the bandwagon on annul by those players. The fact that palmar is so pushing heavy makes him the right lynch to me.
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On December 08 2011 01:05 Refallen wrote:
Toad I gave some reasons earlier at the start of day 2, and so did Palmar
I'm not questioning your reason as I mentioned I am questioning the list of people. I do agree that the case is a viable one but I'd like to discuss it rather than rushing to vote him. People like Palmar rushing to get people voting on annul with phrases like "X, vote Annul, now" are not helping but that's not the reason I'm scared of that wagon.
Everyone on that list is HIGHLY suspicious. I'm not going to sheep something like that until I got some opinions from people I think are clear town. Especially if 100% of that list is suspicious to say the least.
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On December 08 2011 01:01 Zephirdd wrote:sandroba is waaaay too different from the last game. More and more I'm inclined to believe that his new "style" is actually "I'm mafia this game". Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 23:53 Palmar wrote:On December 07 2011 23:40 Zephirdd wrote:Right off the bat, it's clear that he won't follow any advices regarding his playstyle. When town was told to worry about establishing innocence, redFF goes straight into an aggressive instance voting on Palmar before all the bullshit. Every single post of his is a bad post. filter. One-line, simple, double-posting(to generate volume on the filter), mostly zero content. Reminds me of someone on another game. Not a scumtell. Being aggressive and independent is if anything more likely to be something townies do. While his case on me was terribly forced because there was no content to analyse, it doesn't automatically make him scum. Not to mention, the game you're pointing to, Serejai was town. His "tunneling" of Corrupt ceased very soon, he didn't push him any more than after the huge post Corrupt made, despite "still being suspicious of him". It just goes with my idea that Corrupt is also scum. You can't determine anything about anyone from the actions of others, if you allow yourself that, then you're opening up a new arsenal of weapons for scum. Analyze each one of them individually, but not together. He goes on of how much we need a lynch of some sort, and then goes with this anyone not on a large wagon is anti town Exactly how much is that true? I don't disagree that it was good to lynch Hier, but how is not being on a wagon anti-town and not anti-scum? What bugs me the most is how much thought he puts into his posts: none. He doesn't expand on that thought and doesn't explain why a no-lynch would be bad in his opinion, not even to echo somebody's else opinion. Putting no thought into your posts concludes the person is trolling, dumb, or an asshole. None of these can be directly associated with that person being scum. Later, he goes back to Palmar, not because he "thinks he is scummy", but because "he is fucking around and is detrimental to town. plus we need a lynch."; Inconsistency to fit what looked like the easiest wagon at the time.
And of course he switches to Hier in order to achieve that lynch, that was soooo useful for town.
Some people hold the belief that a lynch must always be achieved very highly. Many of those people do it as town too. Corrupt then tries a mildly bad case on him during the night, that is just answered with an all-caps post. Nobody picks it, and they move on - Corrupt doesn't continue with it, everything is gone and people just ignore both. Stop creating links you cannot know exist. Day 2 had his best posts all game long: appealing to new players the same way he says Palmar did. He even tells how Palmar has done no scumhunting and is trying to fuck up any pro-town atmosphere "we" try to create, when in fact his own posts aren't creating any town atmosphere and even warranted a couple of mod warnings. Grats, you've successfully proven redFF is a moron. That doesn't make him scum. redFF is scum
If you don't think so, at least take your time to take a close look at his actions, and ask yourself whether those actions are good for town or not.
My vote goes to him, obviously. Now go put your vote on annul. I'm not ruling out the possibility of redFF being scum, there just isn't any concrete evidence for it at the moment, so I think you'd do much more good voting for annul. (disregard the link between him and Corrupt I made, as I said, it was a forced analysis there) I'm not voting annul until he tries to explain himself or someone claims his protection. If none of this happens by the end of the day-cycle, I'll gladly vote him. If I concluded that he is a moron/dumb/troll instead of a scum with that analysis, then I'm up to hammering down a moron/dumb/troll like him. At very least you proved to shape up a bit towards the end of the day.
Play nice please. Don't call someone a moron/dumb/troll. Attack arguments, not people.
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On December 08 2011 01:09 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 01:01 Zephirdd wrote:sandroba is waaaay too different from the last game. More and more I'm inclined to believe that his new "style" is actually "I'm mafia this game". [quote=Palmar's counterarguments] On December 07 2011 23:53 Palmar wrote:On December 07 2011 23:40 Zephirdd wrote:Right off the bat, it's clear that he won't follow any advices regarding his playstyle. When town was told to worry about establishing innocence, redFF goes straight into an aggressive instance voting on Palmar before all the bullshit. Every single post of his is a bad post. filter. One-line, simple, double-posting(to generate volume on the filter), mostly zero content. Reminds me of someone on another game. Not a scumtell. Being aggressive and independent is if anything more likely to be something townies do. While his case on me was terribly forced because there was no content to analyse, it doesn't automatically make him scum. Not to mention, the game you're pointing to, Serejai was town. His "tunneling" of Corrupt ceased very soon, he didn't push him any more than after the huge post Corrupt made, despite "still being suspicious of him". It just goes with my idea that Corrupt is also scum. You can't determine anything about anyone from the actions of others, if you allow yourself that, then you're opening up a new arsenal of weapons for scum. Analyze each one of them individually, but not together. He goes on of how much we need a lynch of some sort, and then goes with this anyone not on a large wagon is anti town Exactly how much is that true? I don't disagree that it was good to lynch Hier, but how is not being on a wagon anti-town and not anti-scum? What bugs me the most is how much thought he puts into his posts: none. He doesn't expand on that thought and doesn't explain why a no-lynch would be bad in his opinion, not even to echo somebody's else opinion. Putting no thought into your posts concludes the person is trolling, dumb, or an asshole. None of these can be directly associated with that person being scum. Later, he goes back to Palmar, not because he "thinks he is scummy", but because "he is fucking around and is detrimental to town. plus we need a lynch."; Inconsistency to fit what looked like the easiest wagon at the time.
And of course he switches to Hier in order to achieve that lynch, that was soooo useful for town.
Some people hold the belief that a lynch must always be achieved very highly. Many of those people do it as town too. Corrupt then tries a mildly bad case on him during the night, that is just answered with an all-caps post. Nobody picks it, and they move on - Corrupt doesn't continue with it, everything is gone and people just ignore both. Stop creating links you cannot know exist. Day 2 had his best posts all game long: appealing to new players the same way he says Palmar did. He even tells how Palmar has done no scumhunting and is trying to fuck up any pro-town atmosphere "we" try to create, when in fact his own posts aren't creating any town atmosphere and even warranted a couple of mod warnings. Grats, you've successfully proven redFF is a moron. That doesn't make him scum. redFF is scum
If you don't think so, at least take your time to take a close look at his actions, and ask yourself whether those actions are good for town or not.
My vote goes to him, obviously. Now go put your vote on annul. I'm not ruling out the possibility of redFF being scum, there just isn't any concrete evidence for it at the moment, so I think you'd do much more good voting for annul. (disregard the link between him and Corrupt I made, as I said, it was a forced analysis there) I'm not voting annul until he tries to explain himself or someone claims his protection. If none of this happens by the end of the day-cycle, I'll gladly vote him. If I concluded that he is a moron/dumb/troll instead of a scum with that analysis, then I'm up to hammering down a moron/dumb/troll like him. At very least you proved to shape up a bit towards the end of the day.
Play nice please. Don't call someone a moron/dumb/troll. Attack arguments, not people.[/QUOTE]
Sorry for a one-line, but QFT: The fuck?
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Canada4998 Posts
LOL TOAD HYSHES MAFIA. redff is town because he has no coherent thought this game. GG
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ooooh, my bad I somehow missed that quote, thought Qatol is somehow posting in here now :p
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On December 08 2011 01:07 hyshes wrote:
I'm going to vote for palmar. I don't like the bandwagon on annul by those players. The fact that palmar is so pushing heavy makes him the right lynch to me.
In 157 letters you managed to make two logical errors.
a) You cannot deduce anything about a person's alignment by other people's reactions to their posts.
b) Trying to spearhead lynches is generally not a scumtell.
This pains me because I think you're town, your posts during the night feel simply out of place if you're scum, unless of course the decision to kill syllo was made after his row with annul. But please, re-think your stance.
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...Qatol next guy who uses blue text gets modkilled...I hope you're scum...
And yeah Toad, obviously the votes are not set in stone yet. Have to wait till annul comes on and defends himself. At this point in time I feel he's definitely the best lynch now though. Still, we still have a good 36 hours in the day, so that's plenty of time for counter-arguments and more discussion.
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On December 08 2011 01:11 sandroba wrote:
LOL TOAD HYSHES MAFIA. redff is town because he has no coherent thought this game. GG
No way is hyshes mafia. Everything he's done so far looks like a mafia-hyshes. Ok I got to admit I never saw a mafia hyshes but I saw town-hyshes 3 times and although I'm trusting what he said more than what palmar, you, redFF or someone else on that list said so far. He's not a vet but he sure as hell looks town so at least what he says is his honest opinion.
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EBWOP: Oh actually nevermind I thought incog was giving a warning on blue text, apaprently it was pictures. My bad, I feel dumb. (Late at night over here haha)
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Canada4998 Posts
On December 08 2011 01:14 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 01:11 sandroba wrote:
LOL TOAD HYSHES MAFIA. redff is town because he has no coherent thought this game. GG No way is hyshes mafia. Everything he's done so far looks like a mafia-hyshes. Ok I got to admit I never saw a mafia hyshes but I saw town-hyshes 3 times and although I'm trusting what he said more than what palmar, you, redFF or someone else on that list said so far. He's not a vet but he sure as hell looks town so at least what he says is his honest opinion.
Oops. Is that maybe... a slip?
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On December 08 2011 01:14 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 01:11 sandroba wrote:
LOL TOAD HYSHES MAFIA. redff is town because he has no coherent thought this game. GG No way is hyshes mafia. Everything he's done so far looks like a town-hyshes. Ok I got to admit I never saw a mafia hyshes but I saw town-hyshes 3 times and although I'm trusting what he said more than what palmar, you, redFF or someone else on that list said so far. He's not a vet but he sure as hell looks town so at least what he says is his honest opinion.
EBWOP :p
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On December 08 2011 01:15 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 01:14 Toadesstern wrote:On December 08 2011 01:11 sandroba wrote:
LOL TOAD HYSHES MAFIA. redff is town because he has no coherent thought this game. GG No way is hyshes mafia. Everything he's done so far looks like a mafia-hyshes. Ok I got to admit I never saw a mafia hyshes but I saw town-hyshes 3 times and although I'm trusting what he said more than what palmar, you, redFF or someone else on that list said so far. He's not a vet but he sure as hell looks town so at least what he says is his honest opinion. Oops. Is that maybe... a slip?
oh come on. It's a typo and what you quoted just doesn't make sense while my EBWOP DOED make sense. Context should explain that I meant town-hyshes.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
I am willing to give hyshes the benefit of the doubt for now it looks like his town play at any rate.
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