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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 07 2011 14:54 GMT
#1301
On December 07 2011 23:43 vaderseven wrote:
Can we lease stop wifoming the night kills? It accomplishes nothing.

The bottom line is that, gasp, every single night the scum will attempt to hit, you guessed it, town. Seeing as they know who the scum are its really not hard for them to choose a correct target. Any other speculation on thier choices is wifon to the largest degree.


You're wrong, but that's ok.
Computer says mafia
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 07 2011 15:05 GMT
#1302
To the poster above that made the case on redff, I agree with your points. I find his play to be pretty anti town albeit in a much more neutral or less blatant way than Palmar.

Again, toad, you are trying to look to closely at the night kills. Scum killed some town players. End of (useful) story.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 07 2011 15:14 GMT
#1303
On December 08 2011 00:05 vaderseven wrote:
[...]
Again, toad, you are trying to look to closely at the night kills. Scum killed some town players. End of (useful) story.

Well that and the claims we got is the new information we got so I think talking about it isn't bad and since it I really don't think my #1-option is a possibility I think it's a piece of the puzzle. I'm totally agreeing that what I just said about Drazerk is not strong enough of a case to say he's something like a confirmed mafia but it could be a part of it that adds up.
But I got to say I AM suspicious of Drazerk. There's some people who already pointed out he's looking weird. Maybe that's the reason he did a claim idk.
And I still don't believe a word he's said so far. That's already 3 pieces for me. Sure none of them is a strong case on its own but together I think we got AT LEAST enough to look closer at what he's doing today and what he's done so far.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
December 07 2011 15:18 GMT
#1304
On December 07 2011 20:44 prplhz wrote:
Hey, I've decided to try my hand at some case writing even though I haven't done this successfully for god knows how long. I still want to lynch vaderseven and TruthBringer but I don't think that's going to happen today so here's another guy I'm suspicious of.

On Mattchew
The guy starts this game by joking around for three posts, to look active rather than to help. He is then called out for it by Radfield and I, after which he doesn't joke around anymore at all. I think this looks like mafia who got attention he didn't like and then he changes his behavior abruptly.

In his next post he comments on current event in thread, but what strikes me is that he calls Palmar "suspicious" and also attempts to discredit syllogism for what he believes is a logical inconsistency (but it isn't). This will be a trademark of Mattchew's posts. He does the same thing to Palmar here when he quotes how Palmar support LALiars in last game but lies here, indirectly saying that Palmar should be lynched but without saying it himself.

Next thing he does is argue a bit with Zephirdd when Zephirdd calls him out on his relative uselessness. His defense is not trying to be townie, it is not trying to prove that Zephirdd is wrong in any way, his defense is actually an attack on Zephirdd. I think mafia mostly feel guilty in the charges against them, but they still have to do something about it, so pointing out the flaws of others hoping that attention will be directed at them instead is something a lot of mafia do. He is not saying that Zephirdd is wrong, he is saying that Zephirdd is being a hypocrite, but this does not make his attack less valid.

Next thing he does is go for redFF in this post. I find this weird because his reasoning is that redFF has gone for Palmar and is now going for Corrupt, but he said that redFF looked townie in this post, and that was after redFF tried to get Palmar lynched in the beginning of the game. Also, Mattchew has a pattern of going after "scum tells", his attack on Zephirdd consisted only of this too.

In his next post he refuses to vote for Palmar and vaderseven. but the manner in which this is done is more interested. Like with the "prplhz, Drazerk and redFF look townie", I think scum like to band up names and then comment on them collectively instead of forming an opinion on each one of them. This way they don't have to argue for their opinion and they will hopefully get the support of the townies who are on that list because he is actually called them scum. I believe that there is a scum on both of those lists of names, but Mattchew thinks he will get away with calling them townie without actually having to argue for it because he grouped them with other townies.

In this post he actually says no-lynch > lyching Palmar at a very critical point in the game, Palmar was getting pushed very hard and was looking to be lynched if it wasn't the the collective intervention of just about every veteran in this game except Drazerk. The thing I think is weird about this is how hard he's apparently changed his stance on Palmar, from trolling lying RNGing to "townie". The post is also very egocentric, what he does here is say "Palmar is town, I'm not voting for him." but he doesn't care what everybody else does. Why isn't he trying to get people off Palmar and onto something else instead of just washing his hands and then watching the blood bath that seemed almost inevitable at the point?

Overall his style is being aggressive on other people's integrity while very defensive on his own. All his aggression seems to be to discredit other people instead of actually finding scum and he seems more concerned with his own innocence than with other's guilt.

##Vote Mattchew



@Radfield You need to do something today, that night2-deal you made yesterday wasn't accepted by anybody with a brain. Palmar has started contributing and so will you have to.

@VisceraEyes I appreciate the effort but Palmar isn't getting lynched today and there are 5 other scum out there for you to catch right? Focus on somebody else.


Im sorry that as peoples post count in the thread doubles, triples, and their style becomes the exact opposite of their opening that my opinions on who's who changes. I still stand by the fact that I voted for someone who I thought was scum and still do believe is scum in redFF. I still think Palmar is town and I still believe lynching hier was a bad decision. I am trying my very best to be as active and as useful as possible in my second game ever where not much has been said aside from trolling and tunnelling. I drew some bad evidence to support cases to try and create something when in reality nothing was there. Luckily for me and town these were pointed out and disregarded. I still believe draz and yourself (prplhz)" have given off nothing but town vibes and posted well.


There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 07 2011 15:19 GMT
#1305
Palmar, you think its useful to focus in on a decision that first and foremost is about killing town and try to read massive amounts of info from imagined secondary reasons for the choices? Every reason for choosing a target beyond them being 'not scum' is wifom bait of the largest kind.

What do you have to say about the timing of your FAKE CLAIM yesterday? You were being opertunistic in asking for the notes of a player that had a wagon formed. Had my notes made people sour you would have been able to let every one continue to jump on me and if they checked out no skin off of your back.

I am accusing you of attempting to create additional evidence on me because you saw a chance to lynch someone that had an iffy case at the time. People said my corrupt vote was a bandwagon and you wanted to see if tou could expand that case.

##vote palmar
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 07 2011 15:20 GMT
#1306
Hey Mattchew, vote annul.
Computer says mafia
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 07 2011 15:24 GMT
#1307
On December 08 2011 00:20 Palmar wrote:
Hey Mattchew, vote annul.

stop it for christs sake. The last time you tried to force someone to do something a townie got shot. You're still suspicious for a bunch of people and you're telling people to focus votes on someone just right after the day started?
I do agree that what you said is not bullshit (like what you said d1) but I'd like to hear people thoughts and see what they bring in our discussion.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
December 07 2011 15:26 GMT
#1308
On December 08 2011 00:20 Palmar wrote:
Hey Mattchew, vote annul.


your making it extremely hard even though I agree votes should be on annul until someone steps up and claims they protected him
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
December 07 2011 15:26 GMT
#1309
##Vote: Annul

!
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 07 2011 15:27 GMT
#1310
Toad, Draz is definitely one that needs to be looked at carefully and closely. As of now, I think he did his claim because he is either bulletproof, a bomb, a vet, or not lieing. Beyond that I am waiting to reserve judgement.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 07 2011 15:27 GMT
#1311
On December 08 2011 00:26 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 00:20 Palmar wrote:
Hey Mattchew, vote annul.


your making it extremely hard even though I agree votes should be on annul until someone steps up and claims they protected him


noone will do such a thing. A medic is either happy becase he's a townie and thinks he saved someone or a medic is happy because he's a mafia and saved his buddy.
If the medic claims he's shot n2.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 07 2011 15:27 GMT
#1312
On December 08 2011 00:26 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 00:20 Palmar wrote:
Hey Mattchew, vote annul.


your making it extremely hard even though I agree votes should be on annul until someone steps up and claims they protected him


NO ONE SHOULD STEP UP.

We already have 1 medic in the open we don't need both of us
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 07 2011 15:30 GMT
#1313
Any town medic should not step up unless it's absolutely certain that annul will be lynched otherwise. Hopefully no medic will step up because mafia won't like having 2 people owned today.
Computer says mafia
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
December 07 2011 15:50 GMT
#1314
On December 08 2011 00:27 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 00:26 Mattchew wrote:
On December 08 2011 00:20 Palmar wrote:
Hey Mattchew, vote annul.


your making it extremely hard even though I agree votes should be on annul until someone steps up and claims they protected him


NO ONE SHOULD STEP UP.

We already have 1 medic in the open we don't need both of us


Ok here's my question to everyone. How is it that Draz is still alive and if any of you were mafia would syllo (who never looked 100% town or that "good" of a player this game) and supersoft (who also didn't help town too much) be the ones you went after?

Re-reading a lot of what has gone down has lead me to start thinking that Palmar and V7 could both be mafia and outside the game set up the entire dayvig shot to somehow make them both look like town. V7 can say that he was posting like town beforehand and then was rushed into his decision and blame Palmar, while Palmar starts with trolling but then knows he has enough prestige(or w.e) to start posting with quality leading people back off of his bandwagon. The Jack of all trades role seems like it was a nice out for V7 to prove he was town and now Palmar and V7 are considered town and pushing people to be lynched.

Erandor is STILL not active and this just leads me to believe that he is scum. The best advice scum team last game gave was to just lurk especially with all the drama and 60 retards shouting at each other all game. Also claims he was roleblocked... what role was blocked?

redFF I still think is scum for the same reasons I gave before. He claims he was roleblocked.. what role was blocked red?

Annul It is really easy to claim medic saved you after n1 killings. This was attempted by redFF last game (a little differently) when he was scum. I guess draz has a point saying that noone should step up to claim your saving but this is extremely susipicous
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 07 2011 15:53 GMT
#1315
I would absolutely kill the fuck out of syllogism night 1 every game he's in.
Computer says mafia
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 07 2011 15:53 GMT
#1316
On December 08 2011 00:50 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 00:27 Drazerk wrote:
On December 08 2011 00:26 Mattchew wrote:
On December 08 2011 00:20 Palmar wrote:
Hey Mattchew, vote annul.


your making it extremely hard even though I agree votes should be on annul until someone steps up and claims they protected him


NO ONE SHOULD STEP UP.

We already have 1 medic in the open we don't need both of us


Ok here's my question to everyone. How is it that Draz is still alive


My meta
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 07 2011 15:54 GMT
#1317
Pretty damn obvious that syllo shot annul and no retard in his right mind would protect him night1. VOTE ANNUL RIGHT NOW IF YOU VOTE ANYONE ELSE YOU MAFIA.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 07 2011 15:55 GMT
#1318
rofl sandroba.
Computer says mafia
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 07 2011 15:55 GMT
#1319
Care to show your head sand?

On December 08 2011 00:51 sandroba wrote:
##Vote: Annul

sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 07 2011 15:58 GMT
#1320
Palmar bro you need to stop posting reason and yell at people in all caps. It's clearly the only way it works.
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