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That's cheap, really cheap. In this post you replied to my explanation as to how "more likely" does not equal "best read" with the words "i see in your quotes: "three scummiest" "more likely to be scum" "his team (...) more likely"this implies that you sure as hell think he's scum." You did not bother to disagree with what layabout said and you've been supporting him all day long, so excuse me for not remembering that you never used these exact words.
And once again, this is a double standard: layabout twisting my words into "best read" and refusing to admit he had no right to is perfectly acceptable but me losing track of all your accusations deserves a response such as "cute, but come on, try harder than that".
Because I definitely also twisted your words into "best read". That makes sense. Okay. So I'm supposed to feel ashamed because you're accusing me of saying something I didn't? You're breaking my brain now.
I also never addressed the issue with what layabout said. I never took into account the words "best read". Stop insinuating that I did. If you're going to whine about getting your words twisted by someone else, don't twist mine.
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ebwop More later but I am a little preoccupied right now.
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On December 15 2011 06:33 layabout wrote:the players on the weakest case need to move. + Show Spoiler +btw that is the case on me, i see no real credible analysis against me
Yeah, that won't happen...one scum and one chainsaw defense vote on you. They're not going anywhere.
I anticipate a last minute vote switch by a scum to avoid having xtfftc lynched.
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On December 15 2011 07:02 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:39 Velinath wrote:On December 15 2011 06:33 layabout wrote:the players on the weakest case need to move. + Show Spoiler +btw that is the case on me, i see no real credible analysis against me Yeah, that won't happen...one scum and one chainsaw defense vote on you. They're not going anywhere. I anticipate a last minute vote switch by a scum to avoid having xtfftc lynched. I'll head it off at the pass, then-- with 3 votes on him, xtfftc will need to convince me to unvote him to survive, or get ey215 to come back and unvote bluelightz. in the event of a draw, who got 3 votes first is the one who dies. ##Vote xtfftc
When he flips scum, I would take a very close look at Tunkeg. This article points out an interesting tell that I would be somewhat concerned about.
To quote: "a player who defends another player by attacking the other player's attacker is very probably scum".
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NIGHT TALK TIME
It's night four, we're at 5 town and one scum right now. What do you guys think about roleclaims at this point? Since we have two blues, it miiiight be a good idea - if the DT claims (assuming we have one!), he basically gets a free investigate night (protect or watch = he's immune).
What are your thoughts - or should we wait a little longer?
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Well, yeah, definitely hold the roleclaim on doctor. I was more talking about DT, for one free night.
Anyway, regarding final mafioso, for reasons I have mentioned previously I feel that Tunkeg's OMGUS on layabout was a bit of a scumtell. While Bluelightz is still suspicious, Tunkeg is currently top on my scum list.
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On December 15 2011 15:37 Bluelightz wrote:Hey guys I have a confession LONG LIVE THE MAFIAgg, BH too gud 
what the hell
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Well, for what it's worth, I guess I can roleclaim now. I was the DT - hence my inexplicable tunnelling on xtfftc last day (I investigated him). It wasn't the best play, I suppose, but it was the best I could do with what time I had the last couple of days.
This was also the reason I was suddenly so very very confident that ey215 was town for the last two days. I felt the suspicions on him were somewhat well-founded, but him coming up town meant that I could at least try and give something that I could refer back to later in the thread.
Meh. Well played, all. A little bit unsatisfying conclusion, but c'est la vie I suppose.
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Roleblocked night 1
ey night 2
xtfftc night 3
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And yeah my play wasn't great especially day 3. I should have put some more time into my pressure on xtfftc.
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On December 15 2011 19:20 Palmar wrote:To those who didn't already know, I was playing in this game as the smurf "ElectricBlack". This was of course done with the approval of the hosts: + Show Spoiler +Original Message From Palmar: Yes, of course. ElectricBlack will by my smurf. Show nested quote +Original Message From Zona: I think it's something worth trying, and I'm glad you're looking for ways to help others raise their level of play. I've asked Forumite if he has any objections, and he tells me he doesn't, I"ll give you the go ahead. However, I will expect you to adopt a polite tone of voice, and dramatically reduce your level of aggression. Otherwise, the entire exercise could prove counterproductive. Original Message From Palmar: Hi, I would like to play in your student mafia game, using a smurf. The reason for this is I want to help elevate the level of gameplay in the newbie game as fast as I possibly can, and much more than coaching, directly involving myself in the game and leading by example will be quite important. http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Being_a_good_ICThe idea of the role I would play is similar to this one, and I would obviously request to be put on the town side. If everything goes well I'd expect to be shot night 1, leaving town with at least an idea on how to approach the game. Let me know what you think about this. I would like to know how the new players in this game felt about the presence of a veteran in the game. I used this article: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Being_a_good_IC as a guideline on how to handle my play this game, I tried to be less aggressive than I usually am, without cutting off that edge that makes me successful as mafia. Unfortunately the game started on a night I was out with the wife for several hours so I only got plenty of posting in later in the day. The reason for using a smurf was because I did not want the game to become about me. With all the coaches knowing me and my play, I feel an unreasonable amount of weight would've been put into my posting. I tried to call out incorrect play wherever I could, and lead by example with the case on HassyBaby. I don't think I did a magnificent job, but I think I did alright. I would very much like feedback from the players of this game, both town and scum, on how and if we should continue introducing veteran players in newbie games to help create a more useful town atmosphere. For what it's worth, the townies of this game should really be commended for creating the most awesome scumhunting atmosphere I have ever seen in a TL mafia game. Seriously, this town was better at looking town than almost any other town I've played with. Mad props to you all. Some of you may have noticed I did finger all three mafia on day 1: Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 10:09 ElectricBlack wrote:On December 06 2011 10:01 jaybrundage wrote:
Atm i wouldnt vote hassybaby for the same reason i didn't vote Bbyte. Hassybaby has not been able to defend himself. And now that Bbyte is hear hes came to late to defend himself. I hope hes mafia but i dont have a good feeling about this. And I think you're the last scum That's it, jaybrundage, xtf, hassy. Game solved. Next one? This is not because I'm some kinda awesome scumhunter, or because they all fucked up. What really happened this game is that the town played such a transparent, useful and good game, that simply through process of elimination I could find all the mafia. Veteran towns can learn a lot from you guys, I am thoroughly impressed with your play. When all townies look town, it's much, much easier to pick the mafia out from the rest.
Can you guys please answer these questions: Did you like having a veteran in the newbie game?Would you prefer the veteran did not smurf?Would you prefer giving both factions a veteran?
The bottom line from this game is that you guys, as complete newbies, managed to create the most healthy town discussion I have ever seen on day one. I can't overstate how impressed I am with it. Good Job.
1) In retrospect, it's a lot clearer that you were a veteran. I honestly missed it until after you got lynched. I think that it's a good idea in a game like this if the town is less directed, to actively get things moving - however, in this case, as you stated, town played pretty well day 1.
2) Smurfing's reasonable, especially if you're randomly assigned a role. A newbie game shouldn't be one with the opportunity to metagame lynch people too. It's also more interesting to find out who it actually was after the game
3) Not in a coached game. I feel that having a veteran to help the town out in early play especially balances out the "informed minority" in what might be a more difficult (for town) game. Again, this game is quite the exception in that I felt that we actually did play pretty well.
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I'd also like to thank the coaches for the help they provided for this game. As a new player, I really appreciated having that resource.
In addition, thanks to Forumite and Zona for doing such a great job of hosting. I really liked the theme of the game, and I think the moderation was quite good!
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On December 16 2011 02:53 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 02:44 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Hey for those of you who did not read the dead/observer post. You guys had it won by the tiebreak vote. XTF was the first person with two votes, so if he was mafia the other mafia would try to change his or her vote against someone else. Honestly I'm not even sure we would have won for sure if bluelightz could keep suspicion off of himself-- though it would be very tough once xtf was down. Maybe if he bussed him before I cast my vote? I was just surprised velinath never got killed for being helpful, or that nobody realized I was the doctor desperately trying to keep myself alive. Every night I was like 100% sure that this night the mafia would realize I was the doctor and just kill me. Especially since they were roleblocking me.
I was targeting Bluelightz for investigation on Night 4, as I figured if he cleared Tunkeg would likely be the last scum. Since ey was already cleared for me we could have afforded a mislynch there if Bluelightz cleared that night - which I believe would leave you as the only player I didn't check (I figured you were town from Day 1, heh).
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On December 16 2011 03:24 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 03:18 Velinath wrote:On December 16 2011 02:53 Blazinghand wrote:On December 16 2011 02:44 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Hey for those of you who did not read the dead/observer post. You guys had it won by the tiebreak vote. XTF was the first person with two votes, so if he was mafia the other mafia would try to change his or her vote against someone else. Honestly I'm not even sure we would have won for sure if bluelightz could keep suspicion off of himself-- though it would be very tough once xtf was down. Maybe if he bussed him before I cast my vote? I was just surprised velinath never got killed for being helpful, or that nobody realized I was the doctor desperately trying to keep myself alive. Every night I was like 100% sure that this night the mafia would realize I was the doctor and just kill me. Especially since they were roleblocking me. I was targeting Bluelightz for investigation on Night 4, as I figured if he cleared Tunkeg would likely be the last scum. Since ey was already cleared for me we could have afforded a mislynch there if Bluelightz cleared that night - which I believe would leave you as the only player I didn't check (I figured you were town from Day 1, heh). Bear in mind that I plan to play in a similarly aggressive style should I be a town OR scum player in future games. I like talking. As you can see (Bbyte, BKEXE) my style is just as good at getting bandwagons rolling on town players as it is on mafia players-- although it may make sense not to draw too much attention as mafia, what's more suspicious to you-- Blazinghand being loud or Blazinghand being quiet? Several players suspiciously noted my low posting during days 3 and 4 and some observers even fingered me as scum playing a long con with some amazing "bus JB day 2" strategy, just based on my change of style (which came on due to final exams). Also, I feel like BL would have targeted you after your aggressive very Blue play on day 4. You basically soft-claimed Cop by going after xtf in such an aggressive fashion and THEN producing evidence. The mafia noticed it right away if you check out their QT. I still think town had a big advantage, I just don't think it was unwinnable. Bluelightz slipped pretty hard with the flagrant sheeping though-- as a general rule as Mafia, try to imagine what a Town version of you would do in that circumstance-- you wouldn't try to abdicate responsability for your actions. I immediately thought something was wrong after that post.
In retrospect, I should have just roleclaimed to ensure the lynch. 5-1 with the suspicions town had for the next two days would have won the game
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On December 16 2011 03:58 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 03:55 Grackaroni wrote:
I didn't believe that you were a cop though so I jumped to the conclusion that you were scum.
This was the post that really threw me off.
"As a side note, I have some good news! Our blues are probably Doctor + DT/Watch, because there's no other reason I'd get roleblocked last night. They think I'm DT/Watcher, and as long as they keep roleblocking me our blues are free to do what they want (since they'll probably think I'm bluffing to get them to stop roleblocking me). "
This doesn't really make you look less like a cop, you're practically screaming to scum that you didn't want to be roleblocked.
(if you wanted to attract scum to roleblock you, you didn't have to say anything because they already believed you were a cop.)
It made me think that you wanted people to believe you were a cop, which in a way I guess was accurate. Indeed. I made that post specifically to tell our Cop the clock was ticking, I was the Doctor, and I was getting roleblocked. See, Veli read that post and immediately realized what was happening-- he's the DT, so he knew immediately that it was DT/Doctor and that I was being roleblocked consistently. The mafia read that post and said "lawl noob cop trying to get us not to roleblock him" It also kept me alive. EDIT: Hopefully. It's unclear whether he figured out I was the Doctor. It's hard to indicate you're the Doctor to the DT without indicating it to the mafia. The only information that Veli had that the mafia didn't was that I *wasn't* the DT. So by acting blue, to the mafia it appears i'm the DT, and to him it appears i'm the Doctor. EDIT EDIT: Not that any of this actually mattered.
Yeah, I figured it out. I'm not sure what good it did, I mean, I was already kind of investigating players who I was "on the fence" about. (Without that investigation, I would never have voted xtfftc, for instance).
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