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Blazinghand
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On December 17 2011 00:51 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 00:16 vaderseven wrote:
BH-
I had a blast coaching you. You utilized me to the fullest and were often times just needing small nudges to stay focused. Your willingness to utilize me made it very fun and easy to help you. Probably because he's better than you.
oh snapppppppp
I had fun too. I think V7 gave me great advice. I seem to recall him saying something along the lines of "make sure to roleclaim and shoot Palmar or his friend day1 it is the strongest strat"
OH SNAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
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Blazinghand
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OK OK FINE I'LL REPLACE IT WITH A TASTEFUL JOKE
edit: man I want to get in a new game already. 24 hours without mafia to argue about~ cue withdrawal.
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On December 17 2011 02:32 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 00:13 vaderseven wrote:It was really fun coaching this game. Blazinghang, Tunkeg, and adam4167 were my 'students'. Blazinghand was fun to talk to and coach. Took a real ballsy approach to being a medic. He really stayed focused on scumhunting and was able to see past some things that normally distract from that. Tunkeg played a lower key game and I wish he had contacted me before that slapfight with layabout got the point it did. I think that interchange is a great lesson that everyone in this game can pick up on about aggression, slapfights, and how those things really dont indicate alignment and how they can be used as tools (in the case of aggresion) or distractions (slapfights). Adam died right as he was starting to use me.  Thanks for caching man, and sorry for beeing such a bad student. I regret not using you more through out the entire game. In retrospect I should have run both the xsksc case and the probability lynch by you as well, and then I could have avoided them entirely  . The entire bash with layabout was just completely silly, and was probably the single worst play of the game... Funny that you were BH's coach seeing the last pm I sent to you before the game ended 
What was it? Was it "I think BH is scum should I lynch him?"
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Blazinghand
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On December 17 2011 02:44 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 02:37 Blazinghand wrote:On December 17 2011 02:32 Tunkeg wrote:On December 17 2011 00:13 vaderseven wrote:It was really fun coaching this game. Blazinghang, Tunkeg, and adam4167 were my 'students'. Blazinghand was fun to talk to and coach. Took a real ballsy approach to being a medic. He really stayed focused on scumhunting and was able to see past some things that normally distract from that. Tunkeg played a lower key game and I wish he had contacted me before that slapfight with layabout got the point it did. I think that interchange is a great lesson that everyone in this game can pick up on about aggression, slapfights, and how those things really dont indicate alignment and how they can be used as tools (in the case of aggresion) or distractions (slapfights). Adam died right as he was starting to use me. Thanks for caching man, and sorry for beeing such a bad student. I regret not using you more through out the entire game. In retrospect I should have run both the xsksc case and the probability lynch by you as well, and then I could have avoided them entirely . The entire bash with layabout was just completely silly, and was probably the single worst play of the game... Funny that you were BH's coach seeing the last pm I sent to you before the game ended What was it? Was it "I think BH is scum should I lynch him?" It was a resigned message where I QQ'ed about how badly town would lose if you and layabout were scum. And all possible reasons to why that just might be
Well, you know, if I WERE scum, I could have easily forced a mislynch day 4, and uh... yeah. Things would have been bad. That being said, I probably would have been less adamant about the JB Lynch on day 2 wifom wifom wifom wifom etc. I actually was not suspicious of Layabout, just because he was really putting himself out there-- I mean, I didn't think "oh he must be town" but he was putting some serious effort into his arguments, and given that he was coming in from being a replacement of a replacement, if he was scum he could be fairly cautious and respond to any criticism with "hey man I dunno why my predecessors did that either" or something. I thought his play was fairly pro-town.
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Blazinghand
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On December 17 2011 03:03 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 02:48 Blazinghand wrote:On December 17 2011 02:44 Tunkeg wrote:On December 17 2011 02:37 Blazinghand wrote:On December 17 2011 02:32 Tunkeg wrote:On December 17 2011 00:13 vaderseven wrote:It was really fun coaching this game. Blazinghang, Tunkeg, and adam4167 were my 'students'. Blazinghand was fun to talk to and coach. Took a real ballsy approach to being a medic. He really stayed focused on scumhunting and was able to see past some things that normally distract from that. Tunkeg played a lower key game and I wish he had contacted me before that slapfight with layabout got the point it did. I think that interchange is a great lesson that everyone in this game can pick up on about aggression, slapfights, and how those things really dont indicate alignment and how they can be used as tools (in the case of aggresion) or distractions (slapfights). Adam died right as he was starting to use me. Thanks for caching man, and sorry for beeing such a bad student. I regret not using you more through out the entire game. In retrospect I should have run both the xsksc case and the probability lynch by you as well, and then I could have avoided them entirely . The entire bash with layabout was just completely silly, and was probably the single worst play of the game... Funny that you were BH's coach seeing the last pm I sent to you before the game ended What was it? Was it "I think BH is scum should I lynch him?" It was a resigned message where I QQ'ed about how badly town would lose if you and layabout were scum. And all possible reasons to why that just might be Well, you know, if I WERE scum, I could have easily forced a mislynch day 4, and uh... yeah. Things would have been bad. That being said, I probably would have been less adamant about the JB Lynch on day 2 wifom wifom wifom wifom etc. I actually was not suspicious of Layabout, just because he was really putting himself out there-- I mean, I didn't think "oh he must be town" but he was putting some serious effort into his arguments, and given that he was coming in from being a replacement of a replacement, if he was scum he could be fairly cautious and respond to any criticism with "hey man I dunno why my predecessors did that either" or something. I thought his play was fairly pro-town. Yeah, some of my reasoning was that you could have made an awesome bussing of JB. I kind of listed up this incredible scenario where both of you were scum For layabout I guess the only one who had him anywhere near scum was me. And the only reason for that was that I was pissed off at him. So yeah, I guess vaderseven either facepalmed hard or laughed his ass off after that pm (me guessing the first )
So I was actually in touch with V7 basically constantly throughout the game. I communicated with him via AIM mostly and got feedback all the time. I found it to be super helpful to do this, especially since I could be like "hey I think this post is inconsistent with his post, etc etc" and copy and paste and get instant response. He was very good about it.
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Blazinghand
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I also feel like the mafia need a coach who's in sync with them time zone wise. Like, 2 of them were on australian time and one of them was on UK time I think? And the coach, BC, was on US time. I was looking through their QT and it would be like several hours of mafia like trying to figure out what to do, then doing it, and sometimes they'd be on at the same time as the coach and he'd offer feedback, and other times he'd be on but they wouldn't so he'd drop some big posts of advice.
Like, when bluelightz had pressure on him, both he and the BC were online, and BC talked him through a credible defense. But he was not online during parts of the JB argument with me. It wasn't until later that he was online, and I was tunneling JB pretty hard at that point. I feel like if the mafia coach and scumteam had the same timezone, or at least more compatible ones, JB's defense would have been more like bluelightz, and overall things would have been better. I understand this is largely a problem of like logistics and # of coaches, but it's a thought for later student games.
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Blazinghand
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On December 17 2011 03:39 jaj22 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 03:03 Tunkeg wrote:Yeah, some of my reasoning was that you could have made an awesome bussing of JB. I kind of listed up this incredible scenario where both of you were scum It did kinda work. The parallel-universe BH scum masterplan: 1. Pressure lurkers hard through day 1, lynch a marginal lurker. 2. Meanwhile JB blatantly and repeatedly defends BKEXE. 3. Beg for medics, softclaim DT. 4. String up JB, who offers himself up for the slaughter with a laughable scumslip. 5. String up the now obvious candidate, BKEXE. 6. And we're down to 5 town vs 2 mafia, with town having absolutely no idea what's going on. I stared at BH's posts for quite a while though and I couldn't see any hint of him being anything but genuine. Didn't seem plausible with that sort of post count.
The only danger in a plan like that (besides the fact that I have to post a lot and not slip up) is that my soft claim of DT was my way of telling the real DT that I was a Doctor and I was drawing all the roleblocks. If I'm a mafia guy, there's some chance we'll accidentally kill or shoot the real Doctor (or he'll save someone) and then i'll have some serious explaining to do.
Not a bad plan though. Bus day 2, then try to get 2-3 days of cred out of it.
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Blazinghand
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On December 17 2011 07:11 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 07:05 Tunkeg wrote:On December 17 2011 05:58 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 17 2011 03:03 Tunkeg wrote:On December 17 2011 02:48 Blazinghand wrote:On December 17 2011 02:44 Tunkeg wrote:On December 17 2011 02:37 Blazinghand wrote:On December 17 2011 02:32 Tunkeg wrote:On December 17 2011 00:13 vaderseven wrote:It was really fun coaching this game. Blazinghang, Tunkeg, and adam4167 were my 'students'. Blazinghand was fun to talk to and coach. Took a real ballsy approach to being a medic. He really stayed focused on scumhunting and was able to see past some things that normally distract from that. Tunkeg played a lower key game and I wish he had contacted me before that slapfight with layabout got the point it did. I think that interchange is a great lesson that everyone in this game can pick up on about aggression, slapfights, and how those things really dont indicate alignment and how they can be used as tools (in the case of aggresion) or distractions (slapfights). Adam died right as he was starting to use me. Thanks for caching man, and sorry for beeing such a bad student. I regret not using you more through out the entire game. In retrospect I should have run both the xsksc case and the probability lynch by you as well, and then I could have avoided them entirely . The entire bash with layabout was just completely silly, and was probably the single worst play of the game... Funny that you were BH's coach seeing the last pm I sent to you before the game ended What was it? Was it "I think BH is scum should I lynch him?" It was a resigned message where I QQ'ed about how badly town would lose if you and layabout were scum. And all possible reasons to why that just might be Well, you know, if I WERE scum, I could have easily forced a mislynch day 4, and uh... yeah. Things would have been bad. That being said, I probably would have been less adamant about the JB Lynch on day 2 wifom wifom wifom wifom etc. I actually was not suspicious of Layabout, just because he was really putting himself out there-- I mean, I didn't think "oh he must be town" but he was putting some serious effort into his arguments, and given that he was coming in from being a replacement of a replacement, if he was scum he could be fairly cautious and respond to any criticism with "hey man I dunno why my predecessors did that either" or something. I thought his play was fairly pro-town. Yeah, some of my reasoning was that you could have made an awesome bussing of JB. I kind of listed up this incredible scenario where both of you were scum For layabout I guess the only one who had him anywhere near scum was me. And the only reason for that was that I was pissed off at him. So yeah, I guess vaderseven either facepalmed hard or laughed his ass off after that pm (me guessing the first ) If your theory about a player necessarily includes "awesome bussing" (particularly in a newbie game) you're probably thinking too hard and incorrectly. From a scum perspective it hurts a lot more to lose a single player than town. Scum don't need to bus in order to win, and in fact they usually rarely do it. I for one hate bussing; I only do it when absolutely necessary. This would only be true for me if my teammate was caught and there was no foreseeable way of saving him without taking massive suspicion. At that point you bus. If you can find reasonable evidence for such a situation, you might have a theory. Nothing like that existed in this game, IIRC, so you go with the simplest explanation; BH and Jay could not both be scum. I agree. I think I approached the game wrong, and missed the real reads while making some bad cases based to much on speculations and what-ifs. But wouldn't you bussing as number one be a great meta move in a game where the other players know you? Ofcourse depending on set up and the current state of the game. Or is it in your opinion allways more valuable to have the extra scum player?
I think it's almost always better to have an extra scum player. Starting the wagon yourself is only a good idea if you know he's going down anyways (somehow). The idea is, retain scum players whenever possible. I think the whole deal is like, trying to prevent the LYLO from moving further into the future whenever possible.
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Blazinghand
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Also, despite taking some minor heat, JB was not suspect at all until I latched onto him, barnacle-like, and clung for 60 hours. It would be one thing if he had been acting very suspicious, and was probably gonna get wagoned as soon as the sun came up, and I took the intiative, or was 2nd on the wagon, riding shotgun, or whatever-- it would be an example of mitigating the inevitable JB loss. This was not an inevitable JB Day 2 lynch, which is why it was unlikely to be a bus. Don't rule it out, of course, but it's unlikely.
On December 17 2011 07:27 Adam4167 wrote:
I think almost everyone wanted to hang BH at one point or another during this game.
Myself, ey215 on day 1, Grack and BKEXE in the obs thread, tunkeg on day 4 and the mafia team probably wanted it all game. Popular man!
You can't lynch an omelet without pissing off some eggs, as they say.
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