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On November 25 2011 10:15 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 10:13 Jackal58 wrote:On November 25 2011 10:09 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 25 2011 10:06 Jackal58 wrote:On November 25 2011 09:25 GreYMisT wrote:On November 25 2011 09:24 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 25 2011 09:21 GreYMisT wrote:On November 25 2011 09:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
Greymist what do you think of sandro/palmar/youngminii? Of all the people you mentioned, I am the least susicious of sandroba. His posts are all very honest attempts to bring order into the thread, and ask people to use logic. Palmar is a null read at the moment for me. His campain has a lot of "im bad at scum, im good at town, therefore elect me because you'll be able to tell if im town or not." someone has already pointed out that he actually is pretty good at scum, and i think sandro also said that palmar can scumhunt just as well without mayor. Youngminii I am highly suspicious of atm. He fights hard against palmar's mayorhood, but then backtracks and says he will elect him mayor if he will lynch BC? if you really dont want palmar in office that bad, you dont just cave in to get an easy lynch on someone. More analysis to come as the day goes on, did that answer your question though WBG? Youngminii is the one who pointed out Palmar is good at scum, which is precisely why I don't think the attack on Palmar is worth listening to. But yeah, that answers it well, and I like your answers. Im glad you like them, i wrote them specially for you. On topic: The fact that it was youngminii who pointed out that palmar was scum serves to increase my suspicions of him. why point that out if you are willing to elect him based on who he will lynch? Umm unless I've missed something YM never actually said that. He said Palmar's scum play was too good to risk electing him. Not quite the same thing as calling Palmar scum. But you're okay with that, when YM did call for Palmar to die? I'm neither pro nor con Palmar atm. I'm merely pointing out a distortion. You OK with that? Do you see the problem with YM calling for Palmar's death despite never explicitly saying he thinks he's scum?
Apparently not as big a problem as you seem too.
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On November 25 2011 10:23 ey215 wrote:
@Greymist What's your opinion on the Lynch a Liar strategy being pushed for by multiple candidates?
If you're town you shouldn't lie, simple as that. Town needs all the true information they can get, and people mucking up the thread with deceit in oder to push their "plans" and "traps" only ultimatly serve to confuse people and cause more chaos than good in my opinion.
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I would like to say
That my campaign for mayor is not a joke.
I am serious about it and am also confused as to why people are ignoring me.
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Wait? I am seeing people like Sandroba, the king of plans, shooting down a plan to confirm dt sanities? This same person is also suggesting that naive and paranoid dt's should be breadcrumbing their checks? NO DT CAN CRUMB RELIABLY until late game. As newer players are going to be unsure of how to properly crumb they will die. Why? because people are actively going to look for someone crumbing roles and get shot.
Without directly revealing my catch, simply put. The scary move of tampering with checks is a moot point. There are multiple roles in this game starting night 1 that clear out sanity checks. Simple as that.
As for all of you who are saying "i can't vote for you because you are far too scary a player." You instead are opting to take the same resource that if is aligned to you and letting it die? but putting other players who can be equally as skilled in positions to easily manipulate you as well. That is just wrong. You vote for people based off their actions that they put forward. Not the actions someone might do if they are red. Speculating on what someone would do or is capable of doing leads to people getting elected who do not actually have a solid play.
Of the two people getting solid votes at the moment (sandroba and palmar) one ran on a campaign of near nothing, the other ran on the campaign of "im good and have good win rates." Palmar is the latter and has since posted at least well enough that you can start a read and catch him should he slip up later on. Sandroba has instead done moves like this.
On November 24 2011 17:13 sandroba wrote:
Electing new players is a waste of a mayor since this game is no pms. The purpose of electing someone mayor is to protect an important townie against night kills and get scum lynched day 1. If we elect someone which we have no previous info about his play, we basically waste the mayor's purpose, unless we get extremelly lucky and the guy turns out to be great at this game despite being his first time. Also veterans have a lot of previous history to which you can compare and try to determine their alignments, while new players are wild cards and will be much more likely of getting lynched by atracting suspicion onto themselves due to inexperience as town. As scum new player who gets elected mayor will have a whole team to back them up and go over their posts (since scum will most likely try to protect their position) and they have no previious history on tl, making it extremelly dificult to identify their alignments.
The reason I'm a good choice for mayor is because I've played a fair bit of games and everyone that plays here knows my style. I normally have pretty good reads all game long and this game I'll be very active due to the sheer number of players. If I'm town I'll be a threat to the scum team, so making me invunerable to hits is a pretty good deal. If I'm scum I'll be very easy to identify due to my activity (so veteran players will have a pretty good grasp of my alignment) and my empty profile, so clues pointing to me should be fairly easy to identify.
of the current player list such a small fraction knows his behaviour. It is a null tell and a moot point. Only a handful of players can "easily" catch him. Depending on which of us are alive / our alignment will determine if he is easily caught as red.
He also rather than trying to modify or try and deduce a way to get my dt plan in motion instantly shoots it down and wishes for dts to breadcrumb / their alignment will be proven later on. Any check they have is near useless to push until sanity is confirmed. 2 types of dts are useless for the purposes of the game and only hinder/hurt us if they act on information garnered via their sanity. He then makes a stance with no substance to it why he should be elected.
He follows that post with a list of vets, a short reply to palmar and a one liner then follows up with.
On November 25 2011 02:21 sandroba wrote:
I'm extremelly opposed to electing BC into any of the positions. First his DT plan is shit for town and BC is the type of player who will push mafia oriented plans right in your face and look good while doing it as scum. He is way better as scum then town by a good margin and he did have a plan he deemed imbalanced for mafia this game which he mentioned before roles were assigned.
@Palmar did you read my post on ym? What exactly makes you think he is scum?
He again pushes against me in particular using my abilities? He has seen me play mafia once in which I did not push a mafia oriented plan at all and instead manipulated him via pms. I am far better at manipulation tactics as red than I am as town. All my town oriented games in some way show that I attempt to unify the town at least to some degree day 1. In this case I am attempting to give a clear set goal for night 1, clear dt sanity. I have proposed an idea and I know that the odds are in the favour of the town, not the mafia.
He then argues with nisani over who should get mayor. Currently the only candidates in the running are the experienced players and most newbies are not going to vote for someone wishy washy.
Now, as someone who pushes for accountability as your center stance of your mayoral platform you do not actually provide anything aside from "this is the type of person who should be elected, I will push analysis that I am not currently doing, I will try to actively to deny an elected position to the only person trying to get the town centered on moving forward past the beaten to death topics already discussed.
Now, i am not saying atm that sandroba is scum. I am saying that what he is saying he will do and what he is doing is not the same. You cannot get a read on someone of scum or not scum if they actively push that vets should get elected. However, for the lack of anything he has offered in substance the following he has in votes is appalling.
As of right now the only person I would vote for aside from myself is WBG as he is the only one posting with any logic that lets me have a start of a real read on him. Palmar is close but the way he started the game makes me not want to trust someone who was actively trying to get votes via previous game records as opposed to real work done in this game. I will reply to more posts as I get to them but I am only on page 33 for the most part for real reading and have skimmed the rest.
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kitaman27
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lol not even a couple scum throw away votes for me? 
Best campaign + no votes = obvious town
Been absolutely busy with travel and Thanksgiving. Can't say tomorrow is going to be any better. I'll try to pick up the activity the best I can.
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YOU GUYS
If palmar/sandroba gets elected, then town will lose.
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On November 25 2011 08:50 xtfftc wrote:
I'm going to bed and will be busy tomorrow morning, so here's some my thoughs on what's going on.
I don't think that BC is a player who would throw in a plan like that for nothing. He should have been aware of the way we would react - although he's probably just as surprised that some players (WBG) are actually supportive of it - so he probably has a follow up. Unless he just wanted to test his luck.
YM doesn't make much sense but he doesn't behave like mafia, especially on day one. A mafia player is much more likely to act like BC, for example: collected and careful with his statements; not going all over the place.
Seeming that others have joined me in scrutinising prplz, we'll get some proper information on him soon. Would like to hear all the mayor candidates' opinions on him before a bandwagon starts.
Actually i anticipated players such as WBG would almost instantly recognize my plan for what it was. He has proven in past games to have a similar mindset in approach to myself and is able to see the benefits and most likely how I would achieve what I said I would via my method.
Now I was also posting to see reactions. Seeing players who actively try to discredit ideas that keep a town focused and try to prevent maximum information gain over the course of the game is always useful.
As for how a mafia is most likely going to act? You have no idea. A very good player will choose a style they wish to emulate and do so.
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On November 25 2011 04:47 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 23:29 mcht wrote:if you would be elected and you are scum, how would you say are towns chances of winning ?  This is a very important question to ask before choosing to vote for. Palmar says that his scum play is heavily inferior to his town play, but this is simply not true. Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 00:46 Palmar wrote:On November 25 2011 00:24 jaybrundage wrote:
Im voting prplhz because i think it outlined his campaign well. And last game i played with him he did very well You should not discuss players who are still alive in ongoing games. Too fucking bad, I'm doing it anyways. In Steamship, Palmar's entire purpose was manipulating the town (and because of that, I am now dead). It does not even matter if he was scum or not. The fact is that, your opinions will be twisted by what Palmar says. Even if he is town in this game, he can still be wrong. But his incorrect opinions will cost the town the game if he is elected mayor. Which is why, I would strongly recommend not voting Palmar and voting someone else instead. Some of my other thoughts: - BC - Wants to control blues in public. This is always a bad idea. It will make it easier for mafia to identify breadcrumbs, it makes it easier for mafia to choose who to frame (or who not to frame), and can be disastrous if he is scum.
- prplhz - His campaign was manipulative, appealing to players' emotions. I don't think he has the town's best interest in mind.
- sandroba - He hasn't said enough to make me want to vote for him.
- kitaman - is really just a list of policies, there is no reason for him to be mayor
- xtfftc - this is who I am voting for. His campaign directly relates to the quote at the beginning of this post. I don't want a mayor who can manipulate people into choosing their votes; I want a mayor who I can trust to vote the right person. I can do that with Palmar, but if Palmar is scum, it would be bad. If xtfftc is scum, I think it would be significantly less bad.
##Vote: xtfftc
An open blue circle is actually insanely powerful. In terms of this. You are able to control where checks go, who clears lists, etc... It also means that anyone obviously pushing someone who has been cleared by a dt is almost for sure red. Vigi's are able to easily shoot etc.... Dts become the ultimate counter to mafia this way.
You can say its a bad plan and people have, which all in all is your choice. However no one is honestly offering any solid reason as to what they say they will do. I am trying to redirect town to talk. My plan at least forces people to choose sides and gives you a spot that someone can start analyzing from. Me saying "Hi I promise to be accountable to my actions but not give you anything i am accountable for" is a null read. People need to sit back and think. Stop sheeping and listening to purely one vet or another, sit down read who is saying what and make your own opinion and follow through on it.
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On November 25 2011 11:49 kitaman27 wrote:lol not even a couple scum throw away votes for me? Best campaign + no votes = obvious town Been absolutely busy with travel and Thanksgiving. Can't say tomorrow is going to be any better. I'll try to pick up the activity the best I can.
So many people said they were waiting for me to come back now no one is here. Obviously ignore cases we be
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On November 25 2011 12:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 04:47 Nisani201 wrote:On November 24 2011 23:29 mcht wrote:if you would be elected and you are scum, how would you say are towns chances of winning ? This is a very important question to ask before choosing to vote for. Palmar says that his scum play is heavily inferior to his town play, but this is simply not true. On November 25 2011 00:46 Palmar wrote:On November 25 2011 00:24 jaybrundage wrote:
Im voting prplhz because i think it outlined his campaign well. And last game i played with him he did very well You should not discuss players who are still alive in ongoing games. Too fucking bad, I'm doing it anyways. In Steamship, Palmar's entire purpose was manipulating the town (and because of that, I am now dead). It does not even matter if he was scum or not. The fact is that, your opinions will be twisted by what Palmar says. Even if he is town in this game, he can still be wrong. But his incorrect opinions will cost the town the game if he is elected mayor. Which is why, I would strongly recommend not voting Palmar and voting someone else instead. Some of my other thoughts: - BC - Wants to control blues in public. This is always a bad idea. It will make it easier for mafia to identify breadcrumbs, it makes it easier for mafia to choose who to frame (or who not to frame), and can be disastrous if he is scum.
- prplhz - His campaign was manipulative, appealing to players' emotions. I don't think he has the town's best interest in mind.
- sandroba - He hasn't said enough to make me want to vote for him.
- kitaman - is really just a list of policies, there is no reason for him to be mayor
- xtfftc - this is who I am voting for. His campaign directly relates to the quote at the beginning of this post. I don't want a mayor who can manipulate people into choosing their votes; I want a mayor who I can trust to vote the right person. I can do that with Palmar, but if Palmar is scum, it would be bad. If xtfftc is scum, I think it would be significantly less bad.
##Vote: xtfftc An open blue circle is actually insanely powerful. In terms of this. You are able to control where checks go, who clears lists, etc... It also means that anyone obviously pushing someone who has been cleared by a dt is almost for sure red. Vigi's are able to easily shoot etc.... Dts become the ultimate counter to mafia this way. You can say its a bad plan and people have, which all in all is your choice. However no one is honestly offering any solid reason as to what they say they will do. I am trying to redirect town to talk. My plan at least forces people to choose sides and gives you a spot that someone can start analyzing from. Me saying "Hi I promise to be accountable to my actions but not give you anything i am accountable for" is a null read. People need to sit back and think. Stop sheeping and listening to purely one vet or another, sit down read who is saying what and make your own opinion and follow through on it.
My problem with your plan is that everyone is totally boned if you're mafia. Unless of course all the DTs check you n1 and then, depending on the result, decide to follow orders or not... hmm...
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Oh wait, forgot about framer. disregard that.
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On November 25 2011 12:15 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 12:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 25 2011 04:47 Nisani201 wrote:On November 24 2011 23:29 mcht wrote:if you would be elected and you are scum, how would you say are towns chances of winning ? This is a very important question to ask before choosing to vote for. Palmar says that his scum play is heavily inferior to his town play, but this is simply not true. On November 25 2011 00:46 Palmar wrote:On November 25 2011 00:24 jaybrundage wrote:
Im voting prplhz because i think it outlined his campaign well. And last game i played with him he did very well You should not discuss players who are still alive in ongoing games. Too fucking bad, I'm doing it anyways. In Steamship, Palmar's entire purpose was manipulating the town (and because of that, I am now dead). It does not even matter if he was scum or not. The fact is that, your opinions will be twisted by what Palmar says. Even if he is town in this game, he can still be wrong. But his incorrect opinions will cost the town the game if he is elected mayor. Which is why, I would strongly recommend not voting Palmar and voting someone else instead. Some of my other thoughts: - BC - Wants to control blues in public. This is always a bad idea. It will make it easier for mafia to identify breadcrumbs, it makes it easier for mafia to choose who to frame (or who not to frame), and can be disastrous if he is scum.
- prplhz - His campaign was manipulative, appealing to players' emotions. I don't think he has the town's best interest in mind.
- sandroba - He hasn't said enough to make me want to vote for him.
- kitaman - is really just a list of policies, there is no reason for him to be mayor
- xtfftc - this is who I am voting for. His campaign directly relates to the quote at the beginning of this post. I don't want a mayor who can manipulate people into choosing their votes; I want a mayor who I can trust to vote the right person. I can do that with Palmar, but if Palmar is scum, it would be bad. If xtfftc is scum, I think it would be significantly less bad.
##Vote: xtfftc An open blue circle is actually insanely powerful. In terms of this. You are able to control where checks go, who clears lists, etc... It also means that anyone obviously pushing someone who has been cleared by a dt is almost for sure red. Vigi's are able to easily shoot etc.... Dts become the ultimate counter to mafia this way. You can say its a bad plan and people have, which all in all is your choice. However no one is honestly offering any solid reason as to what they say they will do. I am trying to redirect town to talk. My plan at least forces people to choose sides and gives you a spot that someone can start analyzing from. Me saying "Hi I promise to be accountable to my actions but not give you anything i am accountable for" is a null read. People need to sit back and think. Stop sheeping and listening to purely one vet or another, sit down read who is saying what and make your own opinion and follow through on it. My problem with your plan is that everyone is totally boned if you're mafia. Unless of course all the DTs check you n1 and then, depending on the result, decide to follow orders or not... hmm...
In the case I am not elected that is something I strongly recommend actually. Also if you use the "if you are x we are boned" applies to almost every vet player who does any action this game. I thus far am at least trying to organize us to some degree. When did Palmar change from using "im good vote for me" style posts? when I called him out. Thus far I have done nothing that is in any way manipulative or using my position as a vet to push myself into office. Also unlike the others, I am trying to actually do something productive rather than argue why I will be more accountable or transparent than my opponents. I instead am proving the things they say by doing them. There is a large difference in play between myself, sandroba, and Palmar. It should be fairly simple to see.
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My vote will not be determined by anything subjective like past records, quality of play, or open ended promises. I will base my decision on plans or analysis this game. My current vote for BC is temporary until I see some readable analysis. Hopefully now that BC is back he will make some analyzable posts other than his initial plan.
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On November 25 2011 12:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 12:15 tnkted wrote:On November 25 2011 12:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 25 2011 04:47 Nisani201 wrote:On November 24 2011 23:29 mcht wrote:if you would be elected and you are scum, how would you say are towns chances of winning ? This is a very important question to ask before choosing to vote for. Palmar says that his scum play is heavily inferior to his town play, but this is simply not true. On November 25 2011 00:46 Palmar wrote:On November 25 2011 00:24 jaybrundage wrote:
Im voting prplhz because i think it outlined his campaign well. And last game i played with him he did very well You should not discuss players who are still alive in ongoing games. Too fucking bad, I'm doing it anyways. In Steamship, Palmar's entire purpose was manipulating the town (and because of that, I am now dead). It does not even matter if he was scum or not. The fact is that, your opinions will be twisted by what Palmar says. Even if he is town in this game, he can still be wrong. But his incorrect opinions will cost the town the game if he is elected mayor. Which is why, I would strongly recommend not voting Palmar and voting someone else instead. Some of my other thoughts: - BC - Wants to control blues in public. This is always a bad idea. It will make it easier for mafia to identify breadcrumbs, it makes it easier for mafia to choose who to frame (or who not to frame), and can be disastrous if he is scum.
- prplhz - His campaign was manipulative, appealing to players' emotions. I don't think he has the town's best interest in mind.
- sandroba - He hasn't said enough to make me want to vote for him.
- kitaman - is really just a list of policies, there is no reason for him to be mayor
- xtfftc - this is who I am voting for. His campaign directly relates to the quote at the beginning of this post. I don't want a mayor who can manipulate people into choosing their votes; I want a mayor who I can trust to vote the right person. I can do that with Palmar, but if Palmar is scum, it would be bad. If xtfftc is scum, I think it would be significantly less bad.
##Vote: xtfftc An open blue circle is actually insanely powerful. In terms of this. You are able to control where checks go, who clears lists, etc... It also means that anyone obviously pushing someone who has been cleared by a dt is almost for sure red. Vigi's are able to easily shoot etc.... Dts become the ultimate counter to mafia this way. You can say its a bad plan and people have, which all in all is your choice. However no one is honestly offering any solid reason as to what they say they will do. I am trying to redirect town to talk. My plan at least forces people to choose sides and gives you a spot that someone can start analyzing from. Me saying "Hi I promise to be accountable to my actions but not give you anything i am accountable for" is a null read. People need to sit back and think. Stop sheeping and listening to purely one vet or another, sit down read who is saying what and make your own opinion and follow through on it. My problem with your plan is that everyone is totally boned if you're mafia. Unless of course all the DTs check you n1 and then, depending on the result, decide to follow orders or not... hmm... In the case I am not elected that is something I strongly recommend actually. Also if you use the "if you are x we are boned" applies to almost every vet player who does any action this game. I thus far am at least trying to organize us to some degree. When did Palmar change from using "im good vote for me" style posts? when I called him out. Thus far I have done nothing that is in any way manipulative or using my position as a vet to push myself into office. Also unlike the others, I am trying to actually do something productive rather than argue why I will be more accountable or transparent than my opponents. I instead am proving the things they say by doing them. There is a large difference in play between myself, sandroba, and Palmar. It should be fairly simple to see.
Any plan will be somewhat useful. A reckless mayor acting however he wants is harder to read as red than one that diverges from a set plan. Also, a plan or system begins to level the field between town and scum. If a system is in place, it is easy to identify those diverging from it.
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On November 25 2011 12:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 12:15 tnkted wrote:On November 25 2011 12:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 25 2011 04:47 Nisani201 wrote:On November 24 2011 23:29 mcht wrote:if you would be elected and you are scum, how would you say are towns chances of winning ? This is a very important question to ask before choosing to vote for. Palmar says that his scum play is heavily inferior to his town play, but this is simply not true. On November 25 2011 00:46 Palmar wrote:On November 25 2011 00:24 jaybrundage wrote:
Im voting prplhz because i think it outlined his campaign well. And last game i played with him he did very well You should not discuss players who are still alive in ongoing games. Too fucking bad, I'm doing it anyways. In Steamship, Palmar's entire purpose was manipulating the town (and because of that, I am now dead). It does not even matter if he was scum or not. The fact is that, your opinions will be twisted by what Palmar says. Even if he is town in this game, he can still be wrong. But his incorrect opinions will cost the town the game if he is elected mayor. Which is why, I would strongly recommend not voting Palmar and voting someone else instead. Some of my other thoughts: - BC - Wants to control blues in public. This is always a bad idea. It will make it easier for mafia to identify breadcrumbs, it makes it easier for mafia to choose who to frame (or who not to frame), and can be disastrous if he is scum.
- prplhz - His campaign was manipulative, appealing to players' emotions. I don't think he has the town's best interest in mind.
- sandroba - He hasn't said enough to make me want to vote for him.
- kitaman - is really just a list of policies, there is no reason for him to be mayor
- xtfftc - this is who I am voting for. His campaign directly relates to the quote at the beginning of this post. I don't want a mayor who can manipulate people into choosing their votes; I want a mayor who I can trust to vote the right person. I can do that with Palmar, but if Palmar is scum, it would be bad. If xtfftc is scum, I think it would be significantly less bad.
##Vote: xtfftc An open blue circle is actually insanely powerful. In terms of this. You are able to control where checks go, who clears lists, etc... It also means that anyone obviously pushing someone who has been cleared by a dt is almost for sure red. Vigi's are able to easily shoot etc.... Dts become the ultimate counter to mafia this way. You can say its a bad plan and people have, which all in all is your choice. However no one is honestly offering any solid reason as to what they say they will do. I am trying to redirect town to talk. My plan at least forces people to choose sides and gives you a spot that someone can start analyzing from. Me saying "Hi I promise to be accountable to my actions but not give you anything i am accountable for" is a null read. People need to sit back and think. Stop sheeping and listening to purely one vet or another, sit down read who is saying what and make your own opinion and follow through on it. My problem with your plan is that everyone is totally boned if you're mafia. Unless of course all the DTs check you n1 and then, depending on the result, decide to follow orders or not... hmm... In the case I am not elected that is something I strongly recommend actually. Also if you use the "if you are x we are boned" applies to almost every vet player who does any action this game. I thus far am at least trying to organize us to some degree. When did Palmar change from using "im good vote for me" style posts? when I called him out. Thus far I have done nothing that is in any way manipulative or using my position as a vet to push myself into office. Also unlike the others, I am trying to actually do something productive rather than argue why I will be more accountable or transparent than my opponents. I instead am proving the things they say by doing them. There is a large difference in play between myself, sandroba, and Palmar. It should be fairly simple to see.
Nah, it won't work for all the DTs to check the mayor because of the framer mechanic. Mafia is gonna frame the mayor red or green depending on who is elected.
I guess that means we know who their framer is gonna be targeting, but we'd lose a night of DTs and possibly a green mayor.
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For purposes of anyone opting to analyze clues could the host please supply a link to the screenshots of all the profiles please. In the off chance people start changing profiles I believe it would be in the best interest that players have access to the same resource hosts do to analyze the potential clues.
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Oh shit. I didn't change my profile. Should I be doing that now or is it too late? right now mine is as cold and empty as jackal's soul
ZING
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On November 25 2011 12:29 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 12:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 25 2011 12:15 tnkted wrote:On November 25 2011 12:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 25 2011 04:47 Nisani201 wrote:On November 24 2011 23:29 mcht wrote:if you would be elected and you are scum, how would you say are towns chances of winning ? This is a very important question to ask before choosing to vote for. Palmar says that his scum play is heavily inferior to his town play, but this is simply not true. On November 25 2011 00:46 Palmar wrote:On November 25 2011 00:24 jaybrundage wrote:
Im voting prplhz because i think it outlined his campaign well. And last game i played with him he did very well You should not discuss players who are still alive in ongoing games. Too fucking bad, I'm doing it anyways. In Steamship, Palmar's entire purpose was manipulating the town (and because of that, I am now dead). It does not even matter if he was scum or not. The fact is that, your opinions will be twisted by what Palmar says. Even if he is town in this game, he can still be wrong. But his incorrect opinions will cost the town the game if he is elected mayor. Which is why, I would strongly recommend not voting Palmar and voting someone else instead. Some of my other thoughts: - BC - Wants to control blues in public. This is always a bad idea. It will make it easier for mafia to identify breadcrumbs, it makes it easier for mafia to choose who to frame (or who not to frame), and can be disastrous if he is scum.
- prplhz - His campaign was manipulative, appealing to players' emotions. I don't think he has the town's best interest in mind.
- sandroba - He hasn't said enough to make me want to vote for him.
- kitaman - is really just a list of policies, there is no reason for him to be mayor
- xtfftc - this is who I am voting for. His campaign directly relates to the quote at the beginning of this post. I don't want a mayor who can manipulate people into choosing their votes; I want a mayor who I can trust to vote the right person. I can do that with Palmar, but if Palmar is scum, it would be bad. If xtfftc is scum, I think it would be significantly less bad.
##Vote: xtfftc An open blue circle is actually insanely powerful. In terms of this. You are able to control where checks go, who clears lists, etc... It also means that anyone obviously pushing someone who has been cleared by a dt is almost for sure red. Vigi's are able to easily shoot etc.... Dts become the ultimate counter to mafia this way. You can say its a bad plan and people have, which all in all is your choice. However no one is honestly offering any solid reason as to what they say they will do. I am trying to redirect town to talk. My plan at least forces people to choose sides and gives you a spot that someone can start analyzing from. Me saying "Hi I promise to be accountable to my actions but not give you anything i am accountable for" is a null read. People need to sit back and think. Stop sheeping and listening to purely one vet or another, sit down read who is saying what and make your own opinion and follow through on it. My problem with your plan is that everyone is totally boned if you're mafia. Unless of course all the DTs check you n1 and then, depending on the result, decide to follow orders or not... hmm... In the case I am not elected that is something I strongly recommend actually. Also if you use the "if you are x we are boned" applies to almost every vet player who does any action this game. I thus far am at least trying to organize us to some degree. When did Palmar change from using "im good vote for me" style posts? when I called him out. Thus far I have done nothing that is in any way manipulative or using my position as a vet to push myself into office. Also unlike the others, I am trying to actually do something productive rather than argue why I will be more accountable or transparent than my opponents. I instead am proving the things they say by doing them. There is a large difference in play between myself, sandroba, and Palmar. It should be fairly simple to see. Nah, it won't work for all the DTs to check the mayor because of the framer mechanic. Mafia is gonna frame the mayor red or green depending on who is elected. I guess that means we know who their framer is gonna be targeting, but we'd lose a night of DTs and possibly a green mayor.
Eh? you do not check the mayor, mayor is only targetable by a roleblocker. the framer is a moot point in terms of this plan.
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everyone is not totally boned if BC is mafia. BC would probably be hard to read if he's scum, but his plan makes sense.
I'm fine with electing BC or Palmar at this point, but I need to look at sandro's posts more carefully. That's why I didn't vote him to begin with.
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On November 25 2011 12:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
everyone is not totally boned if BC is mafia. BC would probably be hard to read if he's scum, but his plan makes sense.
I'm fine with electing BC or Palmar at this point, but I need to look at sandro's posts more carefully. That's why I didn't vote him to begin with.
If thats the case then could you unvote sandro?
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