It's not too early to discuss lynching methods, but the only lynching methods we need to discuss are those of the mayoral candidates! Let's take a look:
sandroba:
On November 24 2011 17:13 sandroba wrote: The reason I'm a good choice for mayor is because I've played a fair bit of games and everyone that plays here knows my style. I normally have pretty good reads all game long and this game I'll be very active due to the sheer number of players. If I'm town I'll be a threat to the scum team, so making me invunerable to hits is a pretty good deal. If I'm scum I'll be very easy to identify due to my activity (so veteran players will have a pretty good grasp of my alignment) and my empty profile, so clues pointing to me should be fairly easy to identify.
No real detail so far.
sinani206: lol
redFF:
On November 24 2011 15:40 redFF wrote: /confirm
vote me for mayor
winning record as town (some games) couple mafiaptp1 (that's just 2 examples)
plus i suck at scum, example- batman lynched day 1 as mafia
don't vote sinani he's infamous around here for being awful.
His only real substantial post, no stated method for lynching. Anxiously await that.
unsmart:
On November 24 2011 15:56 unsmart wrote: I'll throw my hat into the mayoral race! My policy is to lynch zerg icons in alphabetical order, then terran icons in reverse-alphabetical order, and finally protoss icons starting in the middle of the alphabet.
Most solid policy so far!
prplhz:
On November 25 2011 00:18 prplhz wrote: Response to Jackal58 I will decide my lynch later. Right now I don't have any candidates, though I think youngminii is being weird when he argues that he will not vote Palmar because he is down playing his scum abilites, while voting sandroba who is doing just the same. I plan on figuring out a lynch candidate around 12 hours before the deadline. I plan on picking my lynch based on popular opinion, but I'm going to go out on a limb if I don't think that this person is scum. I plan to listen to everybody, but especially the veterans.
Popular opinion, with the caveat that he doesn't want to vote someone he thinks is town.
Palmar:
On November 24 2011 23:27 Palmar wrote: [At the moment I would say youngminii.
This is based on how he is trying to oppose my campaign. All he is doing is attempting to make people afraid of voting me into office, because he for some reason believes that I have such a ridiculous sway over town that the game will be unwinnable if I happen to be scum.
Without actively pushing another candidate, all he's doing is discrediting my campaign. He did mention sandroba, but I feel it's slightly ironic that of the candidates, sandroba (along with BC) is probably the person that can match both my scum and town play. This is not consistent with his fear of putting me in office.
Not to mention, as already pointed out by someone, he has already contradicted himself once.
I have no problem with people trying to oppose my campaign, BC seems to be doing it for much more valid reasons. I felt that in such a big game with so many newbies, I needed to establish a presence by pointing out I am actually pretty good at this game (most of the time ), and now BC is correctly pointing out it's not past games that make us mayors this game. Which is why I'm shifting towards discussing the game at hand.
All in all, I will be using traditional scumhunting methods to select the day 1 lynch. And thanks to the way youngminii has gone about attacking my campaign, I would say he's a good target for a day 1 lynch, of course pending further discussion, as it's still early.
"Traditional scumhunting", with youngminii in the crosshairs currently.
xtfftc:
On November 24 2011 22:30 xtfftc wrote: This is why it is of utter importance that we start hunting for mafia immediately. No point in discussing empty words; let the prospective mayors prove themselves. When they start posting some analysis, we would be able to base our votes on something. Dear candidates, don't try to convince us to vote for you. Make a case on some mafia player and let us vote on how good your analysis is.
Wants everyone to base their votes on the candidates' anti-mafia cases, yet didn't provide one of his own.
deconduo:
On November 25 2011 00:01 deconduo wrote: I will lynch a veteran player who is trying to look like they are contributing without really saying anything. I've found that this is generally one of the better scumtells that even good players fall victim to. Also players who were active in the pre-game and have disappeared somewhat. Kitaman is guilty of this right now, though it still is early in the day.
Lurking veterans, Kitaman in the crosshairs.
BloodyC0bbler:
On November 24 2011 23:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Anyway, I am heading to work, be back sometime this evening. Keep the thread civil please.
I'm assuming he'll talk about it when he gets back, most of his posts have been about the unpopular DT plan.
Erandorr:
On November 24 2011 22:52 Erandorr wrote: Day1 Lynch
I would never single handedly decide this. In case of being elected, I will try to get a majority, I would , however, never lynch someone I myself have a townread on.
Much like prplhz's.
kitaman27
On November 25 2011 01:03 kitaman27 wrote: Game specifics: I'll explain the day one lynch choice, rather than picking from a pool of inactives.
Here my thoughts by reading the mighty mayor election discussion. First of my vote is right now going to Palmar. Because i have a great feeling about him, he have been a scum so many games so it's time that he draw a townie or a blue. He have also a experience that i'am not having, so he is going to line them scum up all day for a lynch.
All i want is a catchy theme song here is a preview what i looking for
On November 25 2011 02:07 dmans wrote: Okey, guys (and girls) of Liquidia.
Here my thoughts by reading the mighty mayor election discussion. First of my vote is right now going to Palmar. Because i have a great feeling about him, he have been a scum so many games so it's time that he draw a townie or a blue. He have also a experience that i'am not having, so he is going to line them scum up all day for a lynch.
That's a terrible reason to vote for me. As anyone who has done any statistics should know, that if you roll a dice and hit 6 three times in a row, that does not decrease the chances of you hitting 6 again the next throw.
On November 24 2011 15:32 sinani206 wrote: /confirm
I AM RUNNING FOR MAYOR
Campaign Video:
A VOTE FOR SINANI IS A VOTE FOR AMERICA
HIGHLIGHTS OF SINANI'S TL MAFIA CAREER
XXXIX: Pretending to be terrible, lasting an extra day to help scumteam pull the victory out of nowhere.
PTP: Resurrecting Palmar, the vigilante, allowing him to shoot more DTs (and scum) for town to pull in the win.
Resurrection: Figuring out the game as Coroner so that town won easily on D4.
Paranoid: Figuring out everything and getting the town win in the middle of N1.
Every other game: getting lynched day 1 even with amazing scumreads
Sinani206's Campaign for Mayor--Frequently Asked Questions
Q: Are you serious? A: Yes, I am very serious. I feel like the best choice for mayor of the people running.
Q: Should I vote for Palmar? A: No, you shouldn't. He always takes control of town, as scum or as town, and in a game with so many newbies, this could prove to be fatal.
Q: What are your policies? A: LaL, LaLurkers, help newbies learn how to play, blues make own decisions, kill all scum.
Q: Thank you, Mr. Sinani. One last question. America? A: FUCK YEAH
On November 25 2011 02:07 dmans wrote: Okey, guys (and girls) of Liquidia.
Here my thoughts by reading the mighty mayor election discussion. First of my vote is right now going to Palmar. Because i have a great feeling about him, he have been a scum so many games so it's time that he draw a townie or a blue. He have also a experience that i'am not having, so he is going to line them scum up all day for a lynch.
On November 25 2011 02:10 DeadlyPsycho wrote: In my previous mafia games, the mafia are usually the ones who are the MOST vocal to go against someone, especially when there is no hard proof :o
Have you played on Teamliquid before? If so you should know that kinda bullshit doesn't actually work here. We hold people responsible for bad arguments. If someone is vocally pushing for something blatantly scummy or illogical, he will be scrutinized.
XXXIX: Pretending to be terrible, lasting an extra day to help scumteam pull the victory out of nowhere.
PTP: Resurrecting Palmar, the vigilante, allowing him to shoot more DTs (and scum) for town to pull in the win.
Resurrection: Figuring out the game as Coroner so that town won easily on D4.
Paranoid: Figuring out everything and getting the town win in the middle of N1.
Every other game: getting lynched day 1 even with amazing scumreads
Sinani206's Campaign for Mayor--Frequently Asked Questions
Q: Are you serious? A: Yes, I am very serious. I feel like the best choice for mayor of the people running.
Q: Should I vote for Palmar? A: No, you shouldn't. He always takes control of town, as scum or as town, and in a game with so many newbies, this could prove to be fatal.
Q: What are your policies? A: LaL, LaLurkers, help newbies learn how to play, blues make own decisions, kill all scum.
Q: Thank you, Mr. Sinani. One last question. America? A: FUCK YEAH
Ok, CANNOT be serious. Every game you get killed/should get killed day 1. so you believe that getting elected mayor will solve this problem. ask yourself this question please. just this one. out of all the vets running at the moment, do you really think you are better than them and have a better chance at getting elected? answered it? good. now we can move on.
On November 25 2011 02:16 Match wrote: Question: When is someone a lurker? Never posting? Posting once a day? A feeling of 'This guy's not participating enough'?
On November 25 2011 02:07 dmans wrote: Okey, guys (and girls) of Liquidia.
Here my thoughts by reading the mighty mayor election discussion. First of my vote is right now going to Palmar. Because i have a great feeling about him, he have been a scum so many games so it's time that he draw a townie or a blue. He have also a experience that i'am not having, so he is going to line them scum up all day for a lynch.
XXXIX: Pretending to be terrible, lasting an extra day to help scumteam pull the victory out of nowhere.
PTP: Resurrecting Palmar, the vigilante, allowing him to shoot more DTs (and scum) for town to pull in the win.
Resurrection: Figuring out the game as Coroner so that town won easily on D4.
Paranoid: Figuring out everything and getting the town win in the middle of N1.
Every other game: getting lynched day 1 even with amazing scumreads
Sinani206's Campaign for Mayor--Frequently Asked Questions
Q: Are you serious? A: Yes, I am very serious. I feel like the best choice for mayor of the people running.
Q: Should I vote for Palmar? A: No, you shouldn't. He always takes control of town, as scum or as town, and in a game with so many newbies, this could prove to be fatal.
Q: What are your policies? A: LaL, LaLurkers, help newbies learn how to play, blues make own decisions, kill all scum.
Q: Thank you, Mr. Sinani. One last question. America? A: FUCK YEAH
Ok, CANNOT be serious. Every game you get killed/should get killed day 1. so you believe that getting elected mayor will solve this problem. ask yourself this question please. just this one. out of all the vets running at the moment, do you really think you are better than them and have a better chance at getting elected? answered it? good. now we can move on.
I'm extremelly opposed to electing BC into any of the positions. First his DT plan is shit for town and BC is the type of player who will push mafia oriented plans right in your face and look good while doing it as scum. He is way better as scum then town by a good margin and he did have a plan he deemed imbalanced for mafia this game which he mentioned before roles were assigned.
@Palmar did you read my post on ym? What exactly makes you think he is scum?
some things no one lie please, its always bad for town, even if you think you're doing some super gambit which will win us the game, 99.9% of the time it won't. Also palmar knows about not lying because he claimed assassin one game as vig
For the lynch, it should definitely one of the mayoral candidates to be lynched. In an elections game scum are pretty much guaranteed to run for mayor and I wouldn't be surprised if there was 2/3/4 of them running.
out of everyone that campaigned for mayor, we have a view viable candidates imo BC Palmar Kita Sandroba myself decon
these are people with experience who know how to play the game
I've got a question for them-who would you lynch right now?
because i think i found scum
"If you are afraid that you might make a silly mistake because this is your first game, and scum will jump on you for it and try to get you lynched, you need to vote me for mayor."
Let me explain why I strongly disagree with that sentence in so many ways:
This sentence appeals to your emotions: This sentence scares you. Noone wants to get lynched for one little mistake. Town tries to be objective. We want to see the facts. The truth! We don't go the emotional way: What prplhz hasn't done is to proove what he says: Did he link any games where he defended an innocent townie who was being lynched? I can think of a game where Palmar and I defended innocent townies two days in a row. But I don't have prplhz in mind when it comes down to defend someone who's innocent.
The assumption that scum jumps on you for little mistakes is wrong! In fact, everyone jumps on you for little mistakes! And that is good! We have to start somewhere. And therefor we need a healthy portion of aggression. If people jump on you, don't be afraid. Explain yourself. Defend yourself. It's part of this game. It's the only way to get informations.
supersoft hit the nail on the head right there. more things
I have the very useful talent to be able to tell bad townie play apart from scummy play.
that just seems like a lie with absolutely no backing to appeal to newbies with no idea what they're doing to vote him.
sinani206 I guess he's also running. sinani206 has a reputation for being lurky, emotional and notoriously hard to read. He has not provided any incentive for us to vote for him other than listing past games. The first game is an example of how he apparently single handedly saved the mafia from losing. The second game is a game where he was able to abuse role mechanics to secure a town win. I have not read the other games but as you can probably read from the thread, sinani206 would be a terrible candidate for mayor. We would most likely have to lynch him day2 no matter what his alignment is.
it's really weird that he wrote a whole paragraph on sinani...
so yeah i would lynch prplz right now
Palmar is also one of those guys who are insanely hard to lynch, I don't want to see a scum Palmar who is unkillable and almost impossible to lynch.
this is just wrong, mayor is under a lot more scrutiny and is more likely to be lynched.
I won't be very active today because its thanksgiving, hopefully i'll be back later tonight to answer questions/play some more.
On November 25 2011 02:21 sandroba wrote: I'm extremelly opposed to electing BC into any of the positions. First his DT plan is shit for town and BC is the type of player who will push mafia oriented plans right in your face and look good while doing it as scum. He is way better as scum then town by a good margin and he did have a plan he deemed imbalanced for mafia this game which he mentioned before roles were assigned.
@Palmar did you read my post on ym? What exactly makes you think he is scum?
Several things stick out to me.
First off, the immediate goal of his campaign was simply to discredit me. He didn't have any intention of running himself, or actively support anyone else into office.
And no matter how good he thinks I am as scum, he cannot possibly be so afraid of me that I will simply autowin the game. I command some respect, but that's over the top. That's simply fear tactics. Notice the difference between YM and BC in what they suppose will happen if I get elected mayor and am scum. YM says it's autowin for scum, and BC says it's okay as long as good townies remain alive.
It's simply absurd to think the game is gone if I were scum and voted into office.
Once again, it reeks of over the top fear tactics.
While it was probably a mistake, youngminii also contradicted his own words, as outlined here:
On November 24 2011 22:05 youngminii wrote: See you guys have already been sucked in by Palmar's smooth talking. When did I ever say Palmar's scum is better than his town? That's just a strawman that Palmar invented to make his own points stronger.
I am one of the most transparent player in this game, my town play is top notch, my scum play is pretty bad Unlike some other candidates, you can actually call me out for being wrong, because I'm not bad
This is a lie. Your scum play is better than your town play, according to memory. You have so much sway with the majority of people that if anyone actually calls you out once you have your tight rein on town, you'll get your herd to quick lynch the offender.
hmm...
Not to mention he tries to paint an opinion as a lie. It's simply bending the truth. I've said multiple times I consider my own town play to be better than my scum play, in other games, and possibly even in threads that aren't games like the misc thread.
By definition you cannot lie about something that is an opinion.
@YM: Will you still support any candidacy whose goal is to simply lynch me? Because that's what you said earlier.
I also find it weird how he's so much against putting me in office just in case I happen to be scum, while being perfectly fine with supporting you, based on very little.
Do you not find this weird?
I would also like to point out that I consider your point invalid, as YM (like WBG or prplhz or myself) plays very aggressively as mafia. I can't remember who said that "YM is easy to read, if he's really sure of himself he's scum, if he's trying but always wrong he's town" - or something in that direction.
While obviously said as a joke, it does hold some truth to it.
okay sorry red. that was only earlygame spam. i think you pointed out something very important there. i am focussed on they mayorelection and not so much on scumhunting. but this sinani§ and prplhz general noob sheeping behaviour seems so sudpicious. i'll post some ideas of mine that may back up palmars election.
@all: palmar looks good right now, red and sandro are reasonable choices for sherrif.
sorry mobilephoneposts. i know the thread is hard to follow as a newb.
Like sandroba Like Palmar Want to policy lynch 206 Don't like BC I don't think YM is scum but I can see his concerns with Palmar being very powerful as mayor, the same however can be said for Sandroba and they are our best choices outside of prplhz who while looking good I'm not sure would be able to lead the town.
I would also like to reinforce Palmar's LaL policy even if he doesn't win. In a huge new game like this lying would cause too much havoc and derail the thread massively allowing scum an easy victory.
On November 25 2011 02:07 dmans wrote: Okey, guys (and girls) of Liquidia.
Here my thoughts by reading the mighty mayor election discussion. First of my vote is right now going to Palmar. Because i have a great feeling about him, he have been a scum so many games so it's time that he draw a townie or a blue. He have also a experience that i'am not having, so he is going to line them scum up all day for a lynch.
On November 25 2011 02:07 dmans wrote: Okey, guys (and girls) of Liquidia.
Here my thoughts by reading the mighty mayor election discussion. First of my vote is right now going to Palmar. Because i have a great feeling about him, he have been a scum so many games so it's time that he draw a townie or a blue. He have also a experience that i'am not having, so he is going to line them scum up all day for a lynch.
That's a terrible reason to vote for me. As anyone who has done any statistics should know, that if you roll a dice and hit 6 three times in a row, that does not decrease the chances of you hitting 6 again the next throw.
ofc is a pretty terrible reason, but i can't go on so much right now expect what feeling i have about every candidate.
EPT
