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Okay, I found out who my other vote goes to.
##Vote Palmar
There was a post a bit back that said it very clearly; if Palmar dies town stands to lose 1 lynch at worst while scum stands to lynch 1/2 kp, 1 full kp along with Risen. Also, they lose one of their strongest players.
Now I wrote a bit back that I didn't want Palmar lynched unless I thought that BloodyC0bbler was likely to be town. I now think he is very likely town, or if not then he is bussing Palmar. BloodyC0bbler all game long has reminded me of how Radfield played in PYP:I. He keeps his eyes on the ball and he calls people out for bullshit. He hasn't been as spammy as Palmar and maybe that has contributed to how people might think less of him but rereading his filter he has not made a single post that makes me think that he is scum.
Palmar on the other hand was on his way to victory after he got elected to mayor. Then Ace came in and tore this place up. Now he is in a state I have never seen him before, he is demoralized and he is OMGUSing all around (first Ace and then BloodyC0bbler). He is trying to trade himself 1 for 1 with all the best veterans town has left and this is insanity. He refuses to actually build any cases and then he suddenly came up with a huge emotional speech, that said exactly nothing. Palmar knows better than to act like this.
@BloodyC0bbler
I am thinking that if you maybe subtly direct medics to bodyguards tonight a couple of them can survive and then we can keep all of our double lynches if we just use them back to back. Or bodyguards can just straight up claim. But in the end it is up to you, as it is imperative for town that you survive.
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On November 30 2011 03:23 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 03:10 layabout wrote:On November 30 2011 03:01 tree.hugger wrote:On November 30 2011 02:54 layabout wrote:On November 30 2011 02:07 tree.hugger wrote:
Unless... everyone is willing to hope on the Serejai wagon? Can you two figure out if you have support for Supersoft now? Because otherwise, let's use our votes on the people who screwed up obviously like Risen and WBG, or the people we have clues on like Zeks. can you give logically sound reasons as to why this is the case? because the reasoning in this thread behind those lynches strikes me as incredibly weak Because in mafia if you wait around for someone to step forward and say "lolol guys I'm mafia haha fooled you" then you won't win. You go on suspicions and threads of evidence. You build your case and watch for mafia behavior. When you start to catch the mafia, you look back and they incriminate other mafia. It snowballs. If you have a better idea, I guess you could state it now, but frankly the results for this day are pretty decided to begin with. Do you seriously not believe that Risen, WBG, or Zeks aren't mafia? Then say so and put forward a better candidate. If you don't have a better candidate, or if you want to town to win, than pick someone with the best evidence against them in your view, and vote. first paragraph- waffle about how the game is played that presents nothing relevant second paragraph- refuses to provide their own analysis or point to any credible analysis.Doesn't asks the question but instead ask me to explain why he is incorrect rather than explaining why he is correct, what possible reason could you have as town to do this? i can only think of one scumhunting. But whether or not you are scumhunting you should still be able to answer my question because you are publicly support the votes and should be able when asked to explain yourself in full, because you do not have a reason to hold back such information and because your reasoning should be sound. So again can you give logically sound reasons as to why we sould "use our votes on the people who screwed up obviously like Risen and WBG, or the people we have clues on like Zeks" ? i will answer you when you answer me You're pretty cute. You asked why we should use our votes on people that we have evidence for. In my first paragraph I explained why you lynch people based on small clues; because that's the only things we usually have to go on. You clearly don't understand the term 'waffle', because I didn't. In my second paragraph, I explained that you should vote for one of the main candidates, because they have evidence on them. Have you not read the thread? Would you like me to explain what evidence we have against Risen, WBG, and Zeks? It's you who needs to be more clear. I've been clear. 1) We have evidence against Risen, WBG, and Zeks. 2) We should vote based on evidence.3) Risen, WBG, and Zeks all are candidates in the running to be lynched tonight. 4) Therefore, in order to not waste your vote, you should use it on one of those three, or present a credible alternative. What else needs to be explained? How are you so confused on this point?
TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK THE EVIDENCE IS don't argue about answering the question.and don't say you have been clear because you have simply deflected from the issue i was raising.
waffle:denotes language without meaning; blathering, babbling, droning since it wasn't relevant to the question then in the context of "why did i think we should lynch these players" i would class paragraph 1 as meaningless and therefore waffle
you seem to be saying that we have to lynch on little evidence and flipping mafia allows you to analyse their past actions and produce more relevant analysis and. but everyone should know that anyway so why state it?
It is my understanding that the evidence we use to support lynches lynches is not based upon proof's of a players alignment but on analysis of a players behaviour, they may be trying to look like they are contributing whilst actually not saying much, they may have incriminating voting patterns, the manner explain their actions might not make sense from a townies perspective etc...
we do not base lynches on
a "whoot! i'm alive" post from a new player
a question to townies
or a tenous link between a single clue and a players profile.
because that is all the evidence i see
voting on the main candidates makes sense but if there isn't a logical reason that suggests that town should kill that player (so they are either serejai) sound analysis suggests that the player is probably mafia then you should not vote for the main candidates
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On November 30 2011 03:40 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 03:36 xtfftc wrote:On November 30 2011 03:35 Zephirdd wrote:
K I wanna to participate on this game. ask me anything. Who are the two players you would like to see lynched today? Serejai and Kurumi just because they act retarded. Then there is wherebugsgo who has had some pretty stupid logic as well. But this isn't about who I want gone, it's about who I think are scum. These guys are not scum in my eyes.
I thought the two were the same :D
Okay, which two players are the ones most likely to be mafia?
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On November 30 2011 03:45 prplhz wrote:
Okay, I found out who my other vote goes to.
##Vote Palmar
There was a post a bit back that said it very clearly; if Palmar dies town stands to lose 1 lynch at worst while scum stands to lynch 1/2 kp, 1 full kp along with Risen. Also, they lose one of their strongest players.
Now I wrote a bit back that I didn't want Palmar lynched unless I thought that BloodyC0bbler was likely to be town. I now think he is very likely town, or if not then he is bussing Palmar. BloodyC0bbler all game long has reminded me of how Radfield played in PYP:I. He keeps his eyes on the ball and he calls people out for bullshit. He hasn't been as spammy as Palmar and maybe that has contributed to how people might think less of him but rereading his filter he has not made a single post that makes me think that he is scum.
Palmar on the other hand was on his way to victory after he got elected to mayor. Then Ace came in and tore this place up. Now he is in a state I have never seen him before, he is demoralized and he is OMGUSing all around (first Ace and then BloodyC0bbler). He is trying to trade himself 1 for 1 with all the best veterans town has left and this is insanity. He refuses to actually build any cases and then he suddenly came up with a huge emotional speech, that said exactly nothing. Palmar knows better than to act like this.
@BloodyC0bbler
I am thinking that if you maybe subtly direct medics to bodyguards tonight a couple of them can survive and then we can keep all of our double lynches if we just use them back to back. Or bodyguards can just straight up claim. But in the end it is up to you, as it is imperative for town that you survive.
How would one subtly direct medics? Typing *wink* *wink* in the thread?
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Hmm, requesting opinions. Do you think keeping Palmar in is more important than keeping me in at this point. If yes, explain so to me. I'm town and if he's more valuable than me at this point maybe we can use the mafia's votes against them here. I'm betting 75% of the people on me are scum and 25% are just idiot townies. If I'm lynched, when I flip town the remaining townies can focus on lynching everyone on the list who voted for me. Is this a bad plan? Right now it's close enough that if I vote for myself I can probably be lynched.
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EBWOP: Apparently thinking Palmar is scum and wanting him gone instead of myself is way more scummy than voting Risen without any explanation. I'm willing to go for the plan I posted above, but everyone who voted for me to be lynched needs to POST a coherent explanation beyond "oh you're more scummy than Palmar". Wtf shit is that? Why do you think I'm more scummy than Palmar?
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On November 30 2011 03:45 prplhz wrote:
Okay, I found out who my other vote goes to.
##Vote Palmar
There was a post a bit back that said it very clearly; if Palmar dies town stands to lose 1 lynch at worst while scum stands to lynch 1/2 kp, 1 full kp along with Risen. Also, they lose one of their strongest players.
Now I wrote a bit back that I didn't want Palmar lynched unless I thought that BloodyC0bbler was likely to be town. I now think he is very likely town, or if not then he is bussing Palmar. BloodyC0bbler all game long has reminded me of how Radfield played in PYP:I. He keeps his eyes on the ball and he calls people out for bullshit. He hasn't been as spammy as Palmar and maybe that has contributed to how people might think less of him but rereading his filter he has not made a single post that makes me think that he is scum.
Palmar on the other hand was on his way to victory after he got elected to mayor. Then Ace came in and tore this place up. Now he is in a state I have never seen him before, he is demoralized and he is OMGUSing all around (first Ace and then BloodyC0bbler). He is trying to trade himself 1 for 1 with all the best veterans town has left and this is insanity. He refuses to actually build any cases and then he suddenly came up with a huge emotional speech, that said exactly nothing. Palmar knows better than to act like this.
@BloodyC0bbler
I am thinking that if you maybe subtly direct medics to bodyguards tonight a couple of them can survive and then we can keep all of our double lynches if we just use them back to back. Or bodyguards can just straight up claim. But in the end it is up to you, as it is imperative for town that you survive.
Except BC is very likely to be scum at this point.
BC is an incredibly good player, and while his logic has been spot on his reads have been terrible. If he's scum and Palmar's town there is no hope left. Palmar will die and we have no mayor, we have sheriff in scum hands and thus no real chance at getting double lynch.
I'm writing a post up in a sec, to those who asked me for reads (xt and vader)
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Yo tree.hugger where is your case against me? All I see is, well he has a lot of votes he be scum hurr durr
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On November 30 2011 03:50 Risen wrote:
Hmm, requesting opinions. Do you think keeping Palmar in is more important than keeping me in at this point. If yes, explain so to me. I'm town and if he's more valuable than me at this point maybe we can use the mafia's votes against them here. I'm betting 75% of the people on me are scum and 25% are just idiot townies. If I'm lynched, when I flip town the remaining townies can focus on lynching everyone on the list who voted for me. Is this a bad plan? Right now it's close enough that if I vote for myself I can probably be lynched.
It is a bad plan. You made a mistake that is obvious to everyone. In a game with so many new players who are confused and don't know who to vote for, this is a very tempting option for a lot of them. I doubt that there is a lot of mafia on your back because they don't need to be. They would look pretty bad if you flip town, so most of them are probably on Zeks as the case accusing him is better.
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On November 30 2011 03:50 Risen wrote:
Hmm, requesting opinions. Do you think keeping Palmar in is more important than keeping me in at this point. If yes, explain so to me. I'm town and if he's more valuable than me at this point maybe we can use the mafia's votes against them here. I'm betting 75% of the people on me are scum and 25% are just idiot townies. If I'm lynched, when I flip town the remaining townies can focus on lynching everyone on the list who voted for me. Is this a bad plan? Right now it's close enough that if I vote for myself I can probably be lynched.
I don't have an opinion on you yet. I do have an opinion on Palmar: he's mafia.
That being said, I'd rather he stay than you stay. You're just a rather useless townie that makes multiple fake scum slips (assuming you are actually town, of course) whereas Palmar provides us a double lynch and a triple vote, even if he's mafia. Until he refuses to use his double lynch it doesn't really matter if he's mafia or not.
Thus, even though I'm not personally voting to lynch you... a mafia Palmar is indeed more valuable for town than a town Risen is at this point in time. You could change that by being more useful, though. 10% of your posts are scumslips and the other 90% are you defending yourself. You can't blame people for voting you.
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Layabout's filter is a big pile of non contributing posts.
Yet he somehow feels motivated to post in length in his dispute with Jackal58(which surprise surprise flipped town) over Palmar.
He now does the same thing standing up for WBG.
WBG has his own history defending Palmar as well.
We are in for a great night gents.
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List of posts that you should have read and that many of you have stupidly ignore that address the fact that Lynching palmer right now is a phenomenally piss-poor decision
+ Show Spoiler +On November 29 2011 22:20 sandroba wrote:
BC and palmar are both scummy fuckers (bc more), but if at least one of them is not town we already lost. NO BODY WILL LYNCH ACTIVE PEOPLE today take off votes from palmar, anull and wbg right now. MEDICS IF YOU HAVE HALF A BRAIN YOU WILL PROTECT ACTIVE PEOPLE, since if those people are mafia we already lost too. BC you gonna jail annul because he is town and you prob scum. Unfortunatelly I can't afford to lynch your ass right now. If you are not scum, realize that I'm town and just do it.
Mafia slaughtered vets last night, which means most vets (80% or more) are town. Don't argue against this shit I'm pretty sure.
Any people arguing that clue analysis is useless are suspicious fuckers. Most mafia in this game is gonna be newbie lurkers which we will only find through clue analysis.
Everyone (new players especially) need to justify their votes or be mercylessly murdered by vigs at night. You need to comment on EVERY case presented by vet players and put up reasons for agreeing/dissagreeing. If you don't you get shot and if you are town we lose boooo.
If you are not putting an effort in this game you are not allowed an opinion and you must sheep w/e most vets are saying.
The elected people will remain alive at least until day 6 and they need to be listened to.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 29 2011 22:50 Pigsquirrel wrote:
Lynching Palmar is a Bad Idea (TM). At this point, it really doesn't matter if he is town or scum as long as he is giving us double lynches. His triple vote won't come into play until later, I'd be in favor of a day 4 or maybe 3 lynch no matter what. It doesn't matter if he is scum or town; he is being pro-town. Lynching him takes the gamble that BC will also be pro-town.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 29 2011 07:15 annul wrote:
fucking christ guys get off of palmar.
if palmar is town and the sheriff is mafia we're fucked, game over. why risk this? and if palmar is mafia, at least he is popping double lynches, which for the time being is more town-oriented than anything else.
we pop double lynches today because we have HARD CLUES that point in the direction of players like zeks (100% positively he's red based on the clues. easiest decision to make possible in this game), etc.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 29 2011 19:06 prplhz wrote:
On Voting for Palmar
If you are voting for Palmar right now, then you need to come up with a case describing how exactly you can be sure that BloodyC0bbler isn't scum. If we lynch Palmar and BloodyC0bbler is scum, then we're screwed. Why are you lynching Palmar, one of the active players whose lynch will give BloodyC0bbler insane power? Where is the case describing how Palmar is 100% scum and how BloodyC0bbler is 100% town?
Stop voting Palmar
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i do not necessarily agree with all of these points but they were the first 4 i found
my own attempt at putting it into perspective:
Lynching palmar on day 2 is at best a lucky read based or little to no substantial evidence and at worst borderline collective retardation. reguardless of his alignment it is a HUGE RISK that we should not take this early without strong evidence if palmar is town or bc is scum then a palmar lynch hurts town, the chance of this happening assuming is about 75% + Show Spoiler +(54/70 *54/70) + (54/70 *16/69) though the number on the assumption that all players have a equal chance of getting any role from the remaining players and discount the chance that they could both be scum
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man there are too many players in this game. It takes forever to catch up.
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could someone sum up the key events of the last 48 hours?
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@wherebugsgo
Why are you defending Palmar? All he is doing right now is OMGUS and emotional speeches while semi-martyring himself. How the hell is this the townie Palmar you know? How is this the townie ANYONE?
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On November 30 2011 04:05 prplhz wrote:
@wherebugsgo
Why are you defending Palmar? All he is doing right now is OMGUS and emotional speeches while semi-martyring himself. How the hell is this the townie Palmar you know? How is this the townie ANYONE?
are you blind?
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On November 30 2011 03:48 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 03:40 Zephirdd wrote:On November 30 2011 03:36 xtfftc wrote:On November 30 2011 03:35 Zephirdd wrote:
K I wanna to participate on this game. ask me anything. Who are the two players you would like to see lynched today? Serejai and Kurumi just because they act retarded. Then there is wherebugsgo who has had some pretty stupid logic as well. But this isn't about who I want gone, it's about who I think are scum. These guys are not scum in my eyes. I thought the two were the same :D Okay, which two players are the ones most likely to be mafia?
At this point, I'm very inclined to Blind-RawR. He's playing null/lurky and with no real contributions from what I've seen. Apparently he asked a replacement, so we'll have to see his replacement.
Oh, there is even a clue about him(blindfolded).
That and Supersoft, as I voted him. I even have a note on my "bad feelings archive" about him.
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dunno know what to make of zeks claim, pretty sure mafia would claim in that spot.
prpl you vote palmar you auto mafia good day sir.
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like seriously, what moron would ask for a 1 for 1 trade if he knew Ace was town?
If you really think Palmar is scum and would legitimately risk that with one of the best players in the game, I really don't know what to say to you.
prpl your play this game has been terrible. You improved last game, and now it's so much worse you might as well be scum. I gave you the benefit of the doubt in the last half of day 1 despite initially having a scumread on you, but you've flopped so many times that I think you really are scum now.
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On November 30 2011 03:59 Steveling wrote:
Layabout's filter is a big pile posts about the issues we faced on day 1, and a correct call on kitiman27 being a reliable town mayor
Yet he somehow feels motivated to post in length in his dispute with Jackal58(which surprise surprise flipped town) over Palmar.
He now does the same thing standing up for WBG.
WBG has his own history defending Palmar as well.
We are in for a great night gents.
"which surprise surprise flipped town" im asking you to use logic and reason when you post the "dispute" with jackal was me pointing out that 100% was an exaggeration based on numbers, it was explained to me that it was based upon ideas about how GMmarshall likes to balance games,
i criticised the "reasoning" used to argue for lynching of WBG but to me the arguements were god-aweful
WBG may be scum but based on what we know i don't see how you could conclude that from what has been said
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