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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Otherwise, I am not going to waste my time on this game anymore. Things are so ridiculous right now that no one can tell apart scum from town. This isn't a game right now, it's a total farce. It is incredibly difficult for me right now to actually take any of you seriously. I'm sorry, GM. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On November 30 2011 03:10 layabout wrote: first paragraph- waffle about how the game is played that presents nothing relevant second paragraph- refuses to provide their own analysis or point to any credible analysis.Doesn't asks the question but instead ask me to explain why he is incorrect rather than explaining why he is correct, what possible reason could you have as town to do this? i can only think of one scumhunting. But whether or not you are scumhunting you should still be able to answer my question because you are publicly support the votes and should be able when asked to explain yourself in full, because you do not have a reason to hold back such information and because your reasoning should be sound. So again can you give logically sound reasons as to why we sould "use our votes on the people who screwed up obviously like Risen and WBG, or the people we have clues on like Zeks" ? i will answer you when you answer me You're pretty cute. You asked why we should use our votes on people that we have evidence for. In my first paragraph I explained why you lynch people based on small clues; because that's the only things we usually have to go on. You clearly don't understand the term 'waffle', because I didn't. In my second paragraph, I explained that you should vote for one of the main candidates, because they have evidence on them. Have you not read the thread? Would you like me to explain what evidence we have against Risen, WBG, and Zeks? It's you who needs to be more clear. I've been clear. 1) We have evidence against Risen, WBG, and Zeks. 2) We should vote based on evidence. 3) Risen, WBG, and Zeks all are candidates in the running to be lynched tonight. 4) Therefore, in order to not waste your vote, you should use it on one of those three, or present a credible alternative. What else needs to be explained? How are you so confused on this point? | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On November 30 2011 03:21 vaderseven wrote: Zeke have you used your SHOT? From the OP + Show Spoiler + Vigilante Welcome to TL Mafia XLVII! You are a vigilante! You are armed and dangerous. You are more than happy to take the law into your own hands, using your trusty gun, and the only bullet you could find. Once per game, at night, you may PM me a player to be shot. If your kill overlaps with a mafia or another vigilante your bullet will NOT refunded . You may not kill on night 1, as you will be too drunk from the post lynch celebration party. When you kill a player a clue pointing to you will appear in the day post, just like with mafia kills.You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least one town aligned player is left. Reading up on the thread now not sure what to make of the vigi claim yet | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
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Serejai
6007 Posts
On November 30 2011 03:23 Drazerk wrote: From the OP + Show Spoiler + Vigilante Welcome to TL Mafia XLVII! You are a vigilante! You are armed and dangerous. You are more than happy to take the law into your own hands, using your trusty gun, and the only bullet you could find. Once per game, at night, you may PM me a player to be shot. If your kill overlaps with a mafia or another vigilante your bullet will NOT refunded . You may not kill on night 1, as you will be too drunk from the post lynch celebration party. When you kill a player a clue pointing to you will appear in the day post, just like with mafia kills.You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least one town aligned player is left. Reading up on the thread now not sure what to make of the vigi claim yet I'm fairly certain he was trying to bait Zeks into saying he did use his shot already, which would prove he's lying about the claim. You kinda just blew that chance, though -_- | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 30 2011 03:23 tree.hugger wrote: You're pretty cute. You asked why we should use our votes on people that we have evidence for. In my first paragraph I explained why you lynch people based on small clues; because that's the only things we usually have to go on. You clearly don't understand the term 'waffle', because I didn't. In my second paragraph, I explained that you should vote for one of the main candidates, because they have evidence on them. Have you not read the thread? Would you like me to explain what evidence we have against Risen, WBG, and Zeks? It's you who needs to be more clear. I've been clear. 1) We have evidence against Risen, WBG, and Zeks. 2) We should vote based on evidence. 3) Risen, WBG, and Zeks all are candidates in the running to be lynched tonight. 4) Therefore, in order to not waste your vote, you should use it on one of those three, or present a credible alternative. What else needs to be explained? How are you so confused on this point? Because #1. is a complete lie. Only Zeks has any sort of evidence supporting his lynch and it's completely clue based. Explain what evidence you even have for lynching Risen? | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On November 30 2011 03:25 vaderseven wrote: Damnit draz I was trying to see if he would lie. If he was scum he would be in contact with other scum members who would probably know the rules a lot better and tell him how to answer. My bad anyhow. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On November 30 2011 03:05 vaderseven wrote: ##unvote heir and ##vote risen What the hell, reasoning? Has anyone given a coherent post as to why they're voting for me? It's like annul or someone said earlier. A vote for Risen just means you haven't been reading the thread and you're useless to town. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
Here is what I had to say about him http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690¤tpage=158#3146 + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2011 02:01 xtfftc wrote: I have re-read my notes on Supersoft and am ready to vote for him. As I already said, he posts lots of fluff, tries hard not to irritate people and doesn't like taking a stance. There was already an extenssive case posted on Supersoft (one that he didn't bother defending himself from), so I'll just add some more notes. But frankly, even the fact that Supersoft is happy to completely ignore a long case made against him and post one-liners instead screams of mafia trying to blend in before the deadline. During night 1 we were discussing whether double lynch should be used and some people (WBG, for example) argued that mafia will have the opportunity to derail the thread so that we don't end up with a proper discussion. There's a lot of players doing this - some trolls, some just can't help themselves because that's the way they always play every game anyway - but that's not like supersoft. He likes facilitating discussions and is strongly opinionated. Now look at his posts from day 2 onwards. Stuff like "Palmar or BC are scum It's just too hard to decide between them." based on "I feel like we made it too easy to sheepvote and we're all responsible for that" is just wow. No reads, no analysis, no commitment, just "assuming" (his own word) something like that - right after "taking part of the blame" for allowing people to vote with no proper reason. And he didn't provide any case on BC anyway, just something based on Sandroba's analysis of the clue. Another example of him being is how he said that discussing Palmar is not antitown, I said it was and he simply let it go ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690¤tpage=138#2760 and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690¤tpage=139#2763). Didn't agree with my arguments, didn't disagree, didn't even call me a retard... And this is an opinion that he could have definitely presented some strong arguments in favour of. ##Vote: supersoft And bumatlarge's case on Supersoft again: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690¤tpage=146#2911 + Show Spoiler + On November 29 2011 16:15 bumatlarge wrote: Supersoftserve Cotton Candy: and it tastes like scum On November 24 2011 19:17 supersoft wrote:  A little contribution The blue color has nothing to do with my role. It just looks nice. okay while showering I made a plan how I want to play this game out. I want to win this game and I play very systematically to win it. I don't want to hurt feelings, but I may have to if it's necessary to win. I went through the playerlist and I filtered out the players I remember from former games. Only few are capable to play as mayor: kitaman27 I think he's a reasonable player and therefor a reasonable choice. sandroba I can agree on what he said about himself so far Palmar I can also agree on what he said about himself. He really is one of the best players here. If he behaves properly I am going to vote him wherebugsgo (doesn't get bold because he didn't post yet despite the fact he was online) syllogism (and he doesn't want to) maybe Greymist/Erandorr/BC (I didn't play with him yet)/decon In my first post, I said I'll do the mayorjob. I want to retract that. I don't want to cause even more chaos. My goal for the first day will be to get one of these players - if he behaves like I expect him to behave - into the mayorposition. sinani206 and prplhz are nice people. But they are definetely not capable to play as mayor. They play completely random both as town and as scum. Maybe they change their play this game. But I don't want to bet the outcome of this game on that. I can't support redFF either. couple therapiemafia etc. You dont understand my plan until now. long story short: I want to make sure we elect no randommayor or scummayor instead I want us to elect a skilled townmayor. There is a little thing called fluff that people believe their posts need to be filled with in order to be townie. Fluff is anything that has no motive behind it other to appear to be active and pro-town. Posting an analysis for the sake of posting an analysis is scummy. Scum who post analyses do so with the intent that they can make themselves look good regardless of who else they talk about. One thing I learned from kurumi is that if english is not Your second language, You keep Your sentences direct so that you convey exactly what you want to say. Supersoft has supplied us with this whopper of a post I like to call Cotton Candy. Cotton candy is about the size of your head, yet provides very little substance to it besides sugar and fluff. ALL OF SUPERSOFT'S POST HERE IS DELICIOUS COTTON CANDY. From the little dude in the shower all the way down to the TLDR, he morphs three lines into fluff. This isn't hard to see, since all he does is say who should be mayor and who shouldn't be. Sinani, prplhz and redff or too erratic and random, they shouldn't be mayor. Kitaman, sandoba and palmar, and the other hand, are not. They would make good mayors if they are town. Let's go cotton candy picking. On November 24 2011 20:31 supersoft wrote: I knew it. Prplhz has one MAGIC sentence for the newbs in his text: "If you are afraid that you might make a silly mistake because this is your first game, and scum will jump on you for it and try to get you lynched, you need to vote me for mayor." Let me explain why I strongly disagree with that sentence in so many ways: This sentence appeals to your emotions: This sentence scares you. Noone wants to get lynched for one little mistake. Town tries to be objective. We want to see the facts. The truth! We don't go the emotional way: What prplhz hasn't done is to proove what he says: Did he link any games where he defended an innocent townie who was being lynched? I can think of a game where Palmar and I defended innocent townies two days in a row. But I don't have prplhz in mind when it comes down to defend someone who's innocent. The assumption that scum jumps on you for little mistakes is wrong! In fact, everyone jumps on you for little mistakes! And that is good! We have to start somewhere. And therefor we need a healthy portion of aggression. If people jump on you, don't be afraid. Explain yourself. Defend yourself. It's part of this game. It's the only way to get informations. And last but not least, prplhz as mayor won't be able to save you! We have to lynch and he knows that as good as we all know it. One of our main goal of this game will be to separate the bad townies from scum. If we all get it wrong and we try to lynch you and you're innocent, prplhz is not the allmighty who is smarter than we all. His allegation that he is the one who's able to seperate between them is unproven so far. Besides building up the mayor role to something that is supposed to win for town and lead them to victory, he spends an asinine amount of post space with references to emotions and how townies should play and what it means to be a human and holy shit it makes my eyes bleed. I even agree that prphlz is an asinine player, but that's all you need to say. You don't need to try to act town, you just hunt scum. On November 26 2011 20:37 supersoft wrote: "we" are the more experienced players. taking care is something like this: Bullshit. You can ask for opinions, but assigning little missions for some people on people you think are scum rather then pointing outright what makes errandor scummy? You have to attempt to lead lynches as town to get things done or you just get babysat by better players, or strolled over by scum. You do not have a town mindset, and your attempts to cover it up like this are admirable, but ultimately bad. On November 26 2011 23:01 supersoft wrote: easy lynches ≠ good lynches easy lynches are overly scummy and useless. They're good targets for our vigilantes. Thats the reason why sinanis veteranclaim is even more antitown than his scummy/useless/spammy behaviour. If we shoot him now and he's vet, our vig has to claim the shot to confirm him as vet; consequence is that shooting him means risking a valuable shot. I know it's a little bit "wifom", but his claim does only make sense if he's scum. He's not worth a lynch and not worth risking a shot. I don't agree with decons theory (i don't remember exactly if it really was decon) that he's a frustrated townie. He's one of the worst players in the TLmafia-forum because as town and as scum he barely plays the game. Instead he's trolling or being afk all the time. If he really wanted to change his play this game, he has no reason to be pissed if we don't believe him until he prove us wrong. Sinani confirms once again my prejudices towards him; and this time he's not only useless like always, no. This time he's even more antitown than usually. As I pointed out, his claim is extremely selfish and makes perfect sense if he's scum. WHO ARE YOU EVEN TALKING TO? It's like you have some interns behind all your posts, nodding their heads. Lynching isn't rocket science, you vote who you've determined as scum. Letting the fact that some scummy douche gets obliterated by town doesn't suddenly make it a bad lynch. In my experience as scum, if my buddy just got nailed by a vet and a few townies hop on, I go "Well he's fucked" and vote him as soon as possible. I read this whole post, excpet for the IRC stuff, I assumed supersoft just wanted the reader to get bored and move on to the next post or something, because that's almost what I did. On November 29 2011 01:15 supersoft wrote: ![[image loading]](http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/203312_1705180076_2742907_n.jpg) First of all, I want to clarify a something. I am not a sheep, as you can see on the picture above. I guess you're referring to this. + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2011 19:17 supersoft wrote: A little contribution The blue color has nothing to do with my role. It just looks nice. okay while showering I made a plan how I want to play this game out. I want to win this game and I play very systematically to win it. I don't want to hurt feelings, but I may have to if it's necessary to win. I went through the playerlist and I filtered out the players I remember from former games. Only few are capable to play as mayor: kitaman27 I think he's a reasonable player and therefor a reasonable choice. sandroba I can agree on what he said about himself so far Palmar I can also agree on what he said about himself. He really is one of the best players here. If he behaves properly I am going to vote him wherebugsgo (doesn't get bold because he didn't post yet despite the fact he was online) syllogism (and he doesn't want to) maybe Greymist/Erandorr/BC (I didn't play with him yet)/decon In my first post, I said I'll do the mayorjob. I want to retract that. I don't want to cause even more chaos. My goal for the first day will be to get one of these players - if he behaves like I expect him to behave - into the mayorposition. sinani206 and prplhz are nice people. But they are definetely not capable to play as mayor. They play completely random both as town and as scum. Maybe they change their play this game. But I don't want to bet the outcome of this game on that. I can't support redFF either. couple therapiemafia etc. You dont understand my plan until now. long story short: I want to make sure we elect no randommayor or scummayor instead I want us to elect a skilled townmayor. And you are right. From your perspective it looks like that. I gave Palmar my vote extremely early. I think I was the first person to give him my vote. And you draw the following conclusion. I doubt Ace ever read this. From what I can tell he was reading the immediate post of "Palmar don't panic". That, from anyone's perspective, looks like, and is a sheep. and the conclusion is wrong. I wanted to cosy Palmar along and see what his reaction is. At this point of time, I was not convinced at all that he's a good mayor! I acted deliberately naiv to get information. My experience is that scum easily falls for befriending attempts and this was the only purpose of my early vote. to be honest, I didn't expect the possibility that someone would accuse me for that. And I can't blame you. I can only show you another game where I followed a similar pattern - however that game was a PM game and I told mig right from the start that I would try to act naive hoping that scum would overextend themselves. That strategy worked with DropBear back then and he thought he could tickle the name of our vigilante out of me. It failed with Incognito. That guy was town and reacted scummy as hell. WBG remembers that game. Insert miles of whatever SS is trying to say here What does this have to do with anything? I can't fathom why you would attempt to make this an actual legitimate reason to what you were doing. So the whole "Palmar will be a good mayor, all you new players listen to my big posts of cotton candy" was some shot at making palmar your friend so that he would... do what? This has to be the most extraordinary reaction to a single sentence calling someone scum that I have ever seen. You can't be town. Now back to this game, I am still not 100% sure of Palmar. He didn't react to my vote at all. However I still don't trust him and I want to express my reservations now: First of all, I want to describe my personal impression of day1. I feel like we made it too easy to sheepvote and we're all responsible for that. It is a game with a lot of new players, but that doesn't mean we let everyone get away with a ninjavote. Exactly that happened and we had a lot of the people voting without a credible reason. I know I bear part of the blame with my early vote, but it's no use crying over spilled milk. We have to look at the consequences thereout. I assume, because of the situation I described above, scum had an easy job to install one of them in the office. "I voted someone that I didn't want to regret voting for so soon, so I'm just going to lay the blame on everyone equally." Do you read these posts after you type them up? ==== Palmar or BC are scum It's just too hard to decide between them. Annex: I already went for BC and he failed yet to answer my questions. Moreover sandroba has found something very interessting: On the other hand I read Aces allegations against Palmar and I don't think that they are too bad. In addition to that he contradicts himself: mhmhmhmh I don't know yet what I should think about these things... We don't have to judge over these two players today. I think as long as they do their job well from our perspective, we shouldn't lynch them. A mislynch of one of these players would be very bad, since their abilitys are great assets for us. But I want you to realize this composition in the office we very likely have to deal with. Aw, with all that stress of being scum and someone taking notice, you seem to acquired PMS. My condolences. I'm very glad this post is extremely wishy-washy. It culminates this little adventure nicely. You don't have an opinion, because you don't want one. You are scum. You don't care if one, both or neither of Palmar are lynched, you are just scared of what people will conclude if you actually make a decision one way or the other. You still didn't so now you are busy pestering no one in particular to tell you what they think. Please help us win. Lynch him. Even if you don't agree, tell me why and what it is that makes you more confident about other players. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
I see nothing that comes even remotely close to suggesting he is certainly scum so ya. I would much rather have heir die than you but Palmer dieing could be gg for us. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
Again, ALL YOU SCUM VOTING FOR ME POST YOUR EXPLANATIONS. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On November 30 2011 03:28 xtfftc wrote: I would like to urge everyone to consider lynching Supersoft tonight. He needs 9 votes to get second and we have more than enough time for that. Here is what I had to say about him http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690¤tpage=158#3146 + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2011 02:01 xtfftc wrote: I have re-read my notes on Supersoft and am ready to vote for him. As I already said, he posts lots of fluff, tries hard not to irritate people and doesn't like taking a stance. There was already an extenssive case posted on Supersoft (one that he didn't bother defending himself from), so I'll just add some more notes. But frankly, even the fact that Supersoft is happy to completely ignore a long case made against him and post one-liners instead screams of mafia trying to blend in before the deadline. During night 1 we were discussing whether double lynch should be used and some people (WBG, for example) argued that mafia will have the opportunity to derail the thread so that we don't end up with a proper discussion. There's a lot of players doing this - some trolls, some just can't help themselves because that's the way they always play every game anyway - but that's not like supersoft. He likes facilitating discussions and is strongly opinionated. Now look at his posts from day 2 onwards. Stuff like "Palmar or BC are scum It's just too hard to decide between them." based on "I feel like we made it too easy to sheepvote and we're all responsible for that" is just wow. No reads, no analysis, no commitment, just "assuming" (his own word) something like that - right after "taking part of the blame" for allowing people to vote with no proper reason. And he didn't provide any case on BC anyway, just something based on Sandroba's analysis of the clue. Another example of him being is how he said that discussing Palmar is not antitown, I said it was and he simply let it go ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690¤tpage=138#2760 and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690¤tpage=139#2763). Didn't agree with my arguments, didn't disagree, didn't even call me a retard... And this is an opinion that he could have definitely presented some strong arguments in favour of. ##Vote: supersoft And bumatlarge's case on Supersoft again: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690¤tpage=146#2911 + Show Spoiler + On November 29 2011 16:15 bumatlarge wrote: Supersoftserve Cotton Candy: and it tastes like scum On November 24 2011 19:17 supersoft wrote: A little contribution The blue color has nothing to do with my role. It just looks nice. okay while showering I made a plan how I want to play this game out. I want to win this game and I play very systematically to win it. I don't want to hurt feelings, but I may have to if it's necessary to win. I went through the playerlist and I filtered out the players I remember from former games. Only few are capable to play as mayor: kitaman27 I think he's a reasonable player and therefor a reasonable choice. sandroba I can agree on what he said about himself so far Palmar I can also agree on what he said about himself. He really is one of the best players here. If he behaves properly I am going to vote him wherebugsgo (doesn't get bold because he didn't post yet despite the fact he was online) syllogism (and he doesn't want to) maybe Greymist/Erandorr/BC (I didn't play with him yet)/decon In my first post, I said I'll do the mayorjob. I want to retract that. I don't want to cause even more chaos. My goal for the first day will be to get one of these players - if he behaves like I expect him to behave - into the mayorposition. sinani206 and prplhz are nice people. But they are definetely not capable to play as mayor. They play completely random both as town and as scum. Maybe they change their play this game. But I don't want to bet the outcome of this game on that. I can't support redFF either. couple therapiemafia etc. You dont understand my plan until now. long story short: I want to make sure we elect no randommayor or scummayor instead I want us to elect a skilled townmayor. There is a little thing called fluff that people believe their posts need to be filled with in order to be townie. Fluff is anything that has no motive behind it other to appear to be active and pro-town. Posting an analysis for the sake of posting an analysis is scummy. Scum who post analyses do so with the intent that they can make themselves look good regardless of who else they talk about. One thing I learned from kurumi is that if english is not Your second language, You keep Your sentences direct so that you convey exactly what you want to say. Supersoft has supplied us with this whopper of a post I like to call Cotton Candy. Cotton candy is about the size of your head, yet provides very little substance to it besides sugar and fluff. ALL OF SUPERSOFT'S POST HERE IS DELICIOUS COTTON CANDY. From the little dude in the shower all the way down to the TLDR, he morphs three lines into fluff. This isn't hard to see, since all he does is say who should be mayor and who shouldn't be. Sinani, prplhz and redff or too erratic and random, they shouldn't be mayor. Kitaman, sandoba and palmar, and the other hand, are not. They would make good mayors if they are town. Let's go cotton candy picking. On November 24 2011 20:31 supersoft wrote: I knew it. Prplhz has one MAGIC sentence for the newbs in his text: "If you are afraid that you might make a silly mistake because this is your first game, and scum will jump on you for it and try to get you lynched, you need to vote me for mayor." Let me explain why I strongly disagree with that sentence in so many ways: This sentence appeals to your emotions: This sentence scares you. Noone wants to get lynched for one little mistake. Town tries to be objective. We want to see the facts. The truth! We don't go the emotional way: What prplhz hasn't done is to proove what he says: Did he link any games where he defended an innocent townie who was being lynched? I can think of a game where Palmar and I defended innocent townies two days in a row. But I don't have prplhz in mind when it comes down to defend someone who's innocent. The assumption that scum jumps on you for little mistakes is wrong! In fact, everyone jumps on you for little mistakes! And that is good! We have to start somewhere. And therefor we need a healthy portion of aggression. If people jump on you, don't be afraid. Explain yourself. Defend yourself. It's part of this game. It's the only way to get informations. And last but not least, prplhz as mayor won't be able to save you! We have to lynch and he knows that as good as we all know it. One of our main goal of this game will be to separate the bad townies from scum. If we all get it wrong and we try to lynch you and you're innocent, prplhz is not the allmighty who is smarter than we all. His allegation that he is the one who's able to seperate between them is unproven so far. Besides building up the mayor role to something that is supposed to win for town and lead them to victory, he spends an asinine amount of post space with references to emotions and how townies should play and what it means to be a human and holy shit it makes my eyes bleed. I even agree that prphlz is an asinine player, but that's all you need to say. You don't need to try to act town, you just hunt scum. On November 26 2011 20:37 supersoft wrote: "we" are the more experienced players. taking care is something like this: Bullshit. You can ask for opinions, but assigning little missions for some people on people you think are scum rather then pointing outright what makes errandor scummy? You have to attempt to lead lynches as town to get things done or you just get babysat by better players, or strolled over by scum. You do not have a town mindset, and your attempts to cover it up like this are admirable, but ultimately bad. On November 26 2011 23:01 supersoft wrote: easy lynches ≠ good lynches easy lynches are overly scummy and useless. They're good targets for our vigilantes. Thats the reason why sinanis veteranclaim is even more antitown than his scummy/useless/spammy behaviour. If we shoot him now and he's vet, our vig has to claim the shot to confirm him as vet; consequence is that shooting him means risking a valuable shot. I know it's a little bit "wifom", but his claim does only make sense if he's scum. He's not worth a lynch and not worth risking a shot. I don't agree with decons theory (i don't remember exactly if it really was decon) that he's a frustrated townie. He's one of the worst players in the TLmafia-forum because as town and as scum he barely plays the game. Instead he's trolling or being afk all the time. If he really wanted to change his play this game, he has no reason to be pissed if we don't believe him until he prove us wrong. Sinani confirms once again my prejudices towards him; and this time he's not only useless like always, no. This time he's even more antitown than usually. As I pointed out, his claim is extremely selfish and makes perfect sense if he's scum. WHO ARE YOU EVEN TALKING TO? It's like you have some interns behind all your posts, nodding their heads. Lynching isn't rocket science, you vote who you've determined as scum. Letting the fact that some scummy douche gets obliterated by town doesn't suddenly make it a bad lynch. In my experience as scum, if my buddy just got nailed by a vet and a few townies hop on, I go "Well he's fucked" and vote him as soon as possible. I read this whole post, excpet for the IRC stuff, I assumed supersoft just wanted the reader to get bored and move on to the next post or something, because that's almost what I did. On November 29 2011 01:15 supersoft wrote: First of all, I want to clarify a something. I am not a sheep, as you can see on the picture above. I guess you're referring to this. + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2011 19:17 supersoft wrote: A little contribution The blue color has nothing to do with my role. It just looks nice. okay while showering I made a plan how I want to play this game out. I want to win this game and I play very systematically to win it. I don't want to hurt feelings, but I may have to if it's necessary to win. I went through the playerlist and I filtered out the players I remember from former games. Only few are capable to play as mayor: kitaman27 I think he's a reasonable player and therefor a reasonable choice. sandroba I can agree on what he said about himself so far Palmar I can also agree on what he said about himself. He really is one of the best players here. If he behaves properly I am going to vote him wherebugsgo (doesn't get bold because he didn't post yet despite the fact he was online) syllogism (and he doesn't want to) maybe Greymist/Erandorr/BC (I didn't play with him yet)/decon In my first post, I said I'll do the mayorjob. I want to retract that. I don't want to cause even more chaos. My goal for the first day will be to get one of these players - if he behaves like I expect him to behave - into the mayorposition. sinani206 and prplhz are nice people. But they are definetely not capable to play as mayor. They play completely random both as town and as scum. Maybe they change their play this game. But I don't want to bet the outcome of this game on that. I can't support redFF either. couple therapiemafia etc. You dont understand my plan until now. long story short: I want to make sure we elect no randommayor or scummayor instead I want us to elect a skilled townmayor. And you are right. From your perspective it looks like that. I gave Palmar my vote extremely early. I think I was the first person to give him my vote. And you draw the following conclusion. I doubt Ace ever read this. From what I can tell he was reading the immediate post of "Palmar don't panic". That, from anyone's perspective, looks like, and is a sheep. and the conclusion is wrong. I wanted to cosy Palmar along and see what his reaction is. At this point of time, I was not convinced at all that he's a good mayor! I acted deliberately naiv to get information. My experience is that scum easily falls for befriending attempts and this was the only purpose of my early vote. to be honest, I didn't expect the possibility that someone would accuse me for that. And I can't blame you. I can only show you another game where I followed a similar pattern - however that game was a PM game and I told mig right from the start that I would try to act naive hoping that scum would overextend themselves. That strategy worked with DropBear back then and he thought he could tickle the name of our vigilante out of me. It failed with Incognito. That guy was town and reacted scummy as hell. WBG remembers that game. Insert miles of whatever SS is trying to say here What does this have to do with anything? I can't fathom why you would attempt to make this an actual legitimate reason to what you were doing. So the whole "Palmar will be a good mayor, all you new players listen to my big posts of cotton candy" was some shot at making palmar your friend so that he would... do what? This has to be the most extraordinary reaction to a single sentence calling someone scum that I have ever seen. You can't be town. Now back to this game, I am still not 100% sure of Palmar. He didn't react to my vote at all. However I still don't trust him and I want to express my reservations now: First of all, I want to describe my personal impression of day1. I feel like we made it too easy to sheepvote and we're all responsible for that. It is a game with a lot of new players, but that doesn't mean we let everyone get away with a ninjavote. Exactly that happened and we had a lot of the people voting without a credible reason. I know I bear part of the blame with my early vote, but it's no use crying over spilled milk. We have to look at the consequences thereout. I assume, because of the situation I described above, scum had an easy job to install one of them in the office. "I voted someone that I didn't want to regret voting for so soon, so I'm just going to lay the blame on everyone equally." Do you read these posts after you type them up? ==== Palmar or BC are scum It's just too hard to decide between them. Annex: I already went for BC and he failed yet to answer my questions. Moreover sandroba has found something very interessting: On the other hand I read Aces allegations against Palmar and I don't think that they are too bad. In addition to that he contradicts himself: mhmhmhmh I don't know yet what I should think about these things... We don't have to judge over these two players today. I think as long as they do their job well from our perspective, we shouldn't lynch them. A mislynch of one of these players would be very bad, since their abilitys are great assets for us. But I want you to realize this composition in the office we very likely have to deal with. Aw, with all that stress of being scum and someone taking notice, you seem to acquired PMS. My condolences. I'm very glad this post is extremely wishy-washy. It culminates this little adventure nicely. You don't have an opinion, because you don't want one. You are scum. You don't care if one, both or neither of Palmar are lynched, you are just scared of what people will conclude if you actually make a decision one way or the other. You still didn't so now you are busy pestering no one in particular to tell you what they think. Please help us win. Lynch him. Even if you don't agree, tell me why and what it is that makes you more confident about other players. I'll follow your reasoning; I also didn't get good reads on him from the (wtflong) read I've had to do so far. Apparently zeks is getting clue-killed. Which is weird, because I'm pretty sure other clues were far more giving. I have yet to read most of the posts from page 92 to page 138 though. K I wanna to participate on this game. ask me anything. | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On November 30 2011 03:35 Zephirdd wrote: K I wanna to participate on this game. ask me anything. Who are the two players you would like to see lynched today? | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
On November 30 2011 03:32 Risen wrote: Swapping my vote over to Palmar from xtfftc because even though I feel Palmar isn't as large a threat as xtfftc, I'd rather see him get voted out than me. With all these idiots jumping on to lynch me I can't help but think I have somehow becaome a "lynch this guy and no one will suspect you're mafia" target. People who vote for me can always fall back on OMGUS and say OH WELL HE MADE A CLEAR SCUMSLIP, when in fact there was nothing of the sort. Any person reading at a 5th grade level knows this. Again, ALL YOU SCUM VOTING FOR ME POST YOUR EXPLANATIONS. That's a hugely scummy reason to vote for the player who if town can help us more than anyone. I find you way more scummy after that post than anything else of yours that I read. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On November 30 2011 03:36 xtfftc wrote: Who are the two players you would like to see lynched today? Serejai and Kurumi just because they act retarded. Then there is wherebugsgo who has had some pretty stupid logic as well. But this isn't about who I want gone, it's about who I think are scum. These guys are not scum in my eyes. | ||
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