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On November 30 2011 02:07 tree.hugger wrote:
Unless... everyone is willing to hope on the Serejai wagon? Can you two figure out if you have support for Supersoft now? Because otherwise, let's use our votes on the people who screwed up obviously like Risen and WBG, or the people we have clues on like Zeks.
One of my votes is already on wherebugsgo. The second I would like to be on supersoft. I don't feel that Risen and Zeks have enough evidence, as Risen just seems like he's clueless and Zeks is based on a vague clue.
wherebugsgo has not only scumslipped but he's also been posting very scummy all game, as has been pointed out by many players. As for supersoft, I called him out as mafia at the start of the game and had some minor support from a few other players. Since then he has yet to defend himself from what I originally called him out for other than by name calling and trolling. In addition he has been called out by other people and has taken the same course of action - either choosing not to defend or defending with shit talking and personal attacks.
In the very rare chance supersoft is not mafia he's worthless for town either way. I feel this gives him higher priority than Risen or Zeks.
In addition, I would like to point out my previous post:
On November 30 2011 01:33 Serejai wrote:I would like to call attention to Lemonwalrus and coagulation. Both are lurking and being 100% useless for town and should be killed tonight by a lurker bane or a vigi.
Something needs to be done about these two veteran players. Especially Lemonwalrus, as he claims he doesn't have time to post in this thread but he's active in other parts of the forums constantly. Either he's a mafia trying to lay low or he doesn't really want to be in this game. Either way he's hurting town and should be dealt with.
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 30 2011 02:22 Palmar wrote:Have you ever loved someone so much, you'd give an arm for?
Not the expression, no, literally give an arm for?
When they know they're your heart
And you know you were their armour
And you will destroy anyone who would try to harm them
But what happens when karma, turns right around and bites you?
And everything you stand for, turns on you to spite you?
What happens when you become the main source of their pain? I fucked up. I don't know where I went wrong, but I'm sure I will see it at some point. I am on a one way train to get-hanged-ville, and worst of all is I don't know what I did wrong. I have been doing extremely well as town lately in mafia, so I felt like I could trust myself to do this. Man, that backfired.I did provide the best reasoning I had, on a day that had very, very little discussion going on. Sure, you can argue that the correct move would've been to lynch an inactive or a lurker, but I am a firm believer in not changing things that are working. I was on a seven game streak of accusing mafia on day 1. Why would I not trust myself? Tebow may be the worst QB in the NFL, but they're not gonna bench him until he starts losing. The fear of me being mafia is eclipsing way too much in the thread. Maybe the best way to settle this is for me to die. I mean, it's not obvious to any of you until I flip, but what Ace did infuriated me so much. It is impossible to set trap for townies, because they can't spring it by definition, so my assumption was that he actually had some kind of a plan to get a better read on my alignment. Counting on Ace to be a reliable ally this game I decided to put a lot of effort into giving answers to him, only to find out the entire thing was just a ploy with no clear goal in mind, perhaps only to reinforce his already incorrect belief. Half the things he used as arguments weren't even correct, or at least pulled out of context. I guess you guys can imagine how much this frustrated me. In a game I'm already pouring my heart and soul in with so much activity, only to be stifled by having to spend the considerable time I'm putting into this game defending myself. I feel like shit. I felt like I could do it, lead the town and help as much as I possibly could, but I don't have the radiant shine of town that some other players possess when they're town. This is my mistake, I should have known it. I acted as de-facto leader of town in Real Time Mafia, and yet, with 5/6 mafia down by day 3, and me leading at least 2 of those lynches, I still got heavily accused. I should have learned. Maybe youngminii's remark that I should never be trusted should have been my first clue that this was not a good idea.For anyone who wants perspective on why this is hard for me, you should probably know how I feel about playing mafia in general. I'll quote myself from a few months ago. Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 21:46 Palmar wrote:Warning: Rant + Show Spoiler +So, reading up on Zorkmid's thing made me remember how fucking madI get at people who cry about bad towns or themselves being tunneled are. Like, really, there is no one responsible but you. If the town is not agreeing with your logic, even if you're right, it's not because they are bad, it's because you are not doing a good enough job convincing them.
If you are being tunneled, it's not because whoever is tunneling is bad, it's because you haven't clearly enough established your innocence. I don't care how bad the reasons for tunneling you are, if you get lynched, you're the problem, not the people who got you lynched. If someone got you lynched with terrible reasoning or on policy, good job them! Sure they may be town too, and thus be detrimental, but if you are town, you must be able to deflect that shit. Let that sink in for a moment. Someone came up with TERRIBLE reasons, and yet he still managed to get you lynched. How bad does that make you?
Getting lynched in a mafia game is always your own fault, there is nothing else that can make you get lynched than you failing. Even when the odds are stacked against you (you're red, and a dt has a check on you), the responsibility is yours to make sure they hang some other bastard.
If you think there exists something called "bad town" you're part of the problem. Part of your responsibility is to find out what kind of logic appeals to the town you're trying to convince. You'd not use the same methods to explain something to a bunch of kids, and to a board of executives. It's your responsibility to tailor-make the arguments to fit the people you're trying to convince.
If person a) says "LOL, YOU MAFIA" and you say "No, here's a detailed analysis of why you must be scum", yet the town lynches you anyway, it's YOUR fault. You did not recognize what arguments would work with the town you're playing with.
It's never someone else's fault.
There is no such thing as bad towns.
The only answer to the question "Why did we lose?" is "Because I am terrible and must improve".
I'm sorry town. Maybe I was the problem. Good luck And when I'm gone, just carry on, don't mourn
Rejoice every time you hear the sound of my voice
Just know that I'm looking down on you smiling
And I didn't feel a thing, So baby don't feel my pain
Just smile back
As far as I am aware you are not dead yet, so why the give up if you are as passionate about this game as you claim to be? what purpose does this post serve other than to make us feel sorry about ourselves? If you want to help town, we don't need speeches, or inspirational goodbyes, we need you to freaking help us. You have put a lot of time and posts into this game yes, but as you yourself said most of those were protecting yourself from Ace and getting yourself elected into office. and then rounding it off with this? We need more from you Palmar.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On November 30 2011 02:15 Steveling wrote:
Being off to uni for some hours and came back to see 20 more pages filled. Da fuck.
We should really push for annul to be modkilled. It is justified after all. He is active and his filter regardless if he flips green or red will show us the alingment of some people. It's a free lynch he gave us with that edit mistake.
Saving this for posterity. This is exactly the kind of 'contributing but not really contributing' kind of post that mafia always makes. He tries to argue hamhandedly for an active player to be lynched. Complains about thread length. He's not dedicated town.
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Nevermind whether you're scum or not Palmar
Don't give up until last your last breath
And you can start redeeming yourself by getting this wagon off me =|
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Don't give up until your last breath* edit
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Ya Palmer try some more scum hunting or consider claiming... something to help the town out.
Prolly wait on claiming till its more sure that you will die but acumhunt now gee!
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On November 30 2011 02:32 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 02:15 Steveling wrote:
Being off to uni for some hours and came back to see 20 more pages filled. Da fuck.
We should really push for annul to be modkilled. It is justified after all. He is active and his filter regardless if he flips green or red will show us the alingment of some people. It's a free lynch he gave us with that edit mistake. Complains about thread length.
Sorry but you are wrong.
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On November 30 2011 02:38 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 02:32 tree.hugger wrote:On November 30 2011 02:15 Steveling wrote:
Being off to uni for some hours and came back to see 20 more pages filled. Da fuck.
Complains about thread length. Sorry but you are wrong.
He looks pretty right to me. Got a better defense than "LOL NO"?
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STOP SENDING ME PMS IF YOU ARENT A MOD THERE IS NO OOT COMMUNICATION.
I have received pm's from 3 different players in the past 24 hours. Its wrong. Stop it.
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On November 30 2011 02:40 vaderseven wrote:
STOP SENDING ME PMS IF YOU ARENT A MOD THERE IS NO OOT COMMUNICATION.
I have received pm's from 3 different players in the past 24 hours. Its wrong. Stop it.
Notify the mods who they are?
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United Kingdom10823 Posts
Palmar what the hell
You've been talking about doing your best for the town al this time. How is this doing your best? At what point is giving up so easily is NOT going to get town to win this game. You're not dead yet, and even if you do get lynched, you have 9 hours to change your impact in this game. At least put up a fucking fight...
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On November 30 2011 02:40 vaderseven wrote:
STOP SENDING ME PMS IF YOU ARENT A MOD THERE IS NO OOT COMMUNICATION.
I have received pm's from 3 different players in the past 24 hours. Its wrong. Stop it.
Somehow I feel you are bullshitting here, as PMs are a bannable offense and instead of reporting them to mods you keep mentioning it in the thread.
If I don't see three modkills for cheating tonight then you're full of shit and are probably mafia.
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If they ask ill forward the pm's which are all harmless but the fact that multi players have done that bothers me hugely.
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On November 30 2011 02:43 vaderseven wrote:
If they ask ill forward the pm's which are all harmless but the fact that multi players have done that bothers me hugely.
How is it "harmless" that three people in this game are cheating? The fact that you keep complaining about them cheating but then post things like this which suggest you don't want to report them for said cheating...
This just screams lies and scum play.
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On November 30 2011 02:46 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 02:43 vaderseven wrote:
If they ask ill forward the pm's which are all harmless but the fact that multi players have done that bothers me hugely. How is it "harmless" that three people in this game are cheating? The fact that you keep complaining about them cheating but then post things like this which suggest you don't want to report them for said cheating... This just screams lies and scum play.
what also screams scum play is pushing to get three likely townies modkilled.
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On November 30 2011 02:39 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 02:38 Steveling wrote:On November 30 2011 02:32 tree.hugger wrote:On November 30 2011 02:15 Steveling wrote:
Being off to uni for some hours and came back to see 20 more pages filled. Da fuck.
Complains about thread length. Sorry but you are wrong. He looks pretty right to me. Got a better defense than "LOL NO"?
Yes and it's pretty simple. I was flabbergasted by the amount of posts.
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This thread is becoming so bad i really don't feel like it's worth trying
we have dead players having arguements a huge number of modkills and replacements spam utterly contentless posts and highly amusing and fucking useless tf2 videos!!
but i signed up so
I'm going to vote for serajai
On November 29 2011 10:46 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 10:42 sinani206 wrote:On November 28 2011 10:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
although if I get shot tonight all you townies will have to deal with them on your own, it's a big scary world out there. holy shit major scumslip right here Indeed it is. This is why I've been saying wherebugsgo is scum. Vigis take him out tonight.
We are supposed to take it for granted that players claim to be town! for instance somebody who claims to not be town in a game with only town and mafia must be mafia and as such there is no value in the statement "i am town", this extends to references to ones own alignment i.e. you do not need to refer to your own alignment when you post so if you wish to address town you do not necessarily need to include yourself (because it is implied by default).Additionally a single post should almost never be the grounds for a lynch.
presuming he isn't modkilled for being ... serajai i think that reguardless of his alignment we should kill him. Even if he turns out to be a The Town Aligned Veteran Robo-Medi-Cop* i think that we should kill him.
Also I think that as it stands the case on zeks is almost entirely clue-based on while the link seems convincing and clue-based lynch is not difficult for the mafia to initiate and a day 2 clue based lynch seems outright foolish.
The votes on risen seems to be based on nothing more than that he posted that he was alive before the n1 post and then again after it. i shall leave it at that.
sinani's case on wbg consisted mostly or comments that did not directly address his post and gave me the impression that much of the analysis was forced.
Annul for all of his suspicious behaviour has said some very sensible things (for fuck sake there are still votes that have not been explained in the thread) and i feel that players saying sensible things should not be lynched without seriously incriminating behaviour.
these are the cases that come to mind as i type
i have not been swayed by any of the cases put forward on anybody, (in fact sinani's case on wbg's is one of the stronger ones although it pains me to type it out)
so rather than support a weak case that i have no faith in or throw away my vote on somebody else (i dont not think i can create a case on an alternative candidate that could result in a lynch at this stage) i think we should lynch serajai, because he isn't worth a vigi and i think that if the double lynch will not hit 2 scum the least we could do is use it ensure his death.
is excessive use of red text against the rules? i think it should be
*disclaimer because combing medic veteran and cop into one role that is also a bulletproof robot would be ludicrous
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On November 30 2011 02:47 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 02:46 Serejai wrote:On November 30 2011 02:43 vaderseven wrote:
If they ask ill forward the pm's which are all harmless but the fact that multi players have done that bothers me hugely. How is it "harmless" that three people in this game are cheating? The fact that you keep complaining about them cheating but then post things like this which suggest you don't want to report them for said cheating... This just screams lies and scum play. what also screams scum play is pushing to get three likely townies modkilled.
So wanting cheaters to be removed from the game makes me mafia? That's a completely retarded logic that only an idiot and a scum player would say.
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Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and vote for zeks because theres nothing going on in the thread and I might not be here for the lynch.
##Vote: zeks
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On November 30 2011 02:47 layabout wrote:This thread is becoming so bad i really don't feel like it's worth trying we have dead players having arguements a huge number of modkills and replacements spam utterly contentless posts and highly amusing and fucking useless tf2 videos!! but i signed up so I'm going to vote for serajai Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 10:46 Serejai wrote:On November 29 2011 10:42 sinani206 wrote:On November 28 2011 10:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
although if I get shot tonight all you townies will have to deal with them on your own, it's a big scary world out there. holy shit major scumslip right here Indeed it is. This is why I've been saying wherebugsgo is scum. Vigis take him out tonight. We are supposed to take it for granted that players claim to be town! for instance somebody who claims to not be town in a game with only town and mafia must be mafia and as such there is no value in the statement "i am town", this extends to references to ones own alignment i.e. you do not need to refer to your own alignment when you post so if you wish to address town you do not necessarily need to include yourself (because it is implied by default).Additionally a single post should almost never be the grounds for a lynch. presuming he isn't modkilled for being ... serajai i think that reguardless of his alignment we should kill him. Even if he turns out to be a The Town Aligned Veteran Robo-Medi-Cop* i think that we should kill him. Also I think that as it stands the case on zeks is almost entirely clue-based on while the link seems convincing and clue-based lynch is not difficult for the mafia to initiate and a day 2 clue based lynch seems outright foolish. The votes on risen seems to be based on nothing more than that he posted that he was alive before the n1 post and then again after it. i shall leave it at that. sinani's case on wbg consisted mostly or comments that did not directly address his post and gave me the impression that much of the analysis was forced. Annul for all of his suspicious behaviour has said some very sensible things (for fuck sake there are still votes that have not been explained in the thread) and i feel that players saying sensible things should not be lynched without seriously incriminating behaviour. these are the cases that come to mind as i type i have not been swayed by any of the cases put forward on anybody, (in fact sinani's case on wbg's is one of the stronger ones although it pains me to type it out) so rather than support a weak case that i have no faith in or throw away my vote on somebody else (i dont not think i can create a case on an alternative candidate that could result in a lynch at this stage) i think we should lynch serajai, because he isn't worth a vigi and i think that if the double lynch will not hit 2 scum the least we could do is use it ensure his death. is excessive use of red text against the rules? i think it should be*disclaimer because combing medic veteran and cop into one role that is also a bulletproof robot would be ludicrous
Lol.
Mafia players makes a scum slip.
Town player suggests to lynch the mafia player.
layabout votes to lynch the town and defense the mafia.
You're a treasure.
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