EPTWait does the sheriff gain the triple vote thing if Palmer dies?
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
Wait does the sheriff gain the triple vote thing if Palmer dies? | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
we very seriously need to gtfo of palmar. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On November 30 2011 01:35 vaderseven wrote: Lynching Palmer could very well be marked as the move that loses us this game guys. His role is so useful... Wait does the sheriff gain the triple vote thing if Palmer dies? Only the double lynches | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
I have re-read my notes on Supersoft and am ready to vote for him. As I already said, he posts lots of fluff, tries hard not to irritate people and doesn't like taking a stance. There was already an extenssive case posted on Supersoft (one that he didn't bother defending himself from), so I'll just add some more notes. But frankly, even the fact that Supersoft is happy to completely ignore a long case made against him and post one-liners instead screams of mafia trying to blend in before the deadline. During night 1 we were discussing whether double lynch should be used and some people (WBG, for example) argued that mafia will have the opportunity to derail the thread so that we don't end up with a proper discussion. There's a lot of players doing this - some trolls, some just can't help themselves because that's the way they always play every game anyway - but that's not like supersoft. He likes facilitating discussions and is strongly opinionated. Now look at his posts from day 2 onwards. Stuff like "Palmar or BC are scum It's just too hard to decide between them." based on "I feel like we made it too easy to sheepvote and we're all responsible for that" is just wow. No reads, no analysis, no commitment, just "assuming" (his own word) something like that - right after "taking part of the blame" for allowing people to vote with no proper reason. And he didn't provide any case on BC anyway, just something based on Sandroba's analysis of the clue. Another example of him being is how he said that discussing Palmar is not antitown, I said it was and he simply let it go ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690¤tpage=138#2760 and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690¤tpage=139#2763). Didn't agree with my arguments, didn't disagree, didn't even call me a retard... And this is an opinion that he could have definitely presented some strong arguments in favour of. ##Vote: supersoft | ||
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Serejai
6007 Posts
##Vote supersoft Finally, more sane people are showing up in the thread to see that supersoft is scum. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
I will and can change my vote on heir to risen simply to keep Palmer alive if it comes to that. | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
On November 30 2011 00:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Hi Palmar. You wanted to trade 1 for 1 with ace, he flipped town. As such you should flip red. IF HE IS A NULL READ YOU DO NOT LYNCH. You have no idea his alignment and are literally firing into a barrel hoping to hit a fish. Null reads + first day of clues are not how you lynch. A correct red lynch from these instances gives you absolutely nothing in terms of understanding how the clues work, on the people who vote for the lynch, on his scumbuddies etc.. You vote for people who are acting scummy in thread. People flip flopping their positions, blatent scum slipping, diverting lynches from solid targets to random people, etc.... You know this yet you vote off the first set of clues? ffs palmar. How is no one else seeing how blatant your being? Again you repeat that you are expecting to die, almost as if your fine with it. He flipped town and now your instantly backstepping your position. Blatant scum move to never intent on upholding a deal you had struck originally. A townie would realize his mistake and appear almost sorry for the mistake made instead you respond with Troll the game? He was being logical and playing his style straight up. Instantly pushing town objectives. But more importantly you said above zeks is a null read. Welcome to this post. He has done nothing to prove his alignment either way and has only 1 clue pointing at him.. THIS IS A NULL READ. You are literally doing exactly what you said you don't do. Jesus Palmar. If it wasn't for the fact you hid gems like this in giant posts near no one reads you you'd get away with it. Once you kill the few people who can read you might be able to just type your red alignment repeatedly in your long posts. Hey didn't above you expected to get lynched? That you wanted to 1v1 trade with ace? Now your saying you'd sub out like a bitch if he didn't get modkilled? Wheres that spirit for when annul edited a post? Editing posts is cheating regardless of the post, and without double counting the entire voting thread yourself you have no way of knowing if hes lying or not. As for calling me dumb? You are resulting to personal attacks now? Have nothing else to use on me. *claps* its always so thrilling to know that someone can't actually analyze you so instead pushes insults. Lynching you when you are red is clearly the best thing to do in the game. Clearing out scum from the elected positions is vitally important. Elected officials by nature have more sway in their posts. If you are scum and live you manipulate to many sheep voters that town cannot win. NOT pushing a lynch on you when you are believed to be scum on the basis "BC might be red" is fear mongering. Anyone look above to my posts. He says here that he did not expect ace to be modkilled. Meanwhile he was going to force the hosts to choose between them as players. This is not the attitude of someone you want to keep alive. You asked EVERY MED to protect him rather than just say "sheriff jail this guy". Why ask for all meds to do a job when 1 player can protect fully for a night? I am taking off to work and wont be back till 1-3 hours before the lynch. When I come back I hope town has smartened up but if not, have fun diverting your lynch Palmar. You have a strong mafia play and are most likely going to win with it. I can do near nothing with this mass of sheep that instantly vote for the more baseless of lynches. To all you voting for zeks on the information people ahve provided so far this game. You are bad. There is no case, there is a "look over there he might be red get him" when on closer inspection the man telling you to go look at the potential red guy is wearing a red suit holding a sign saying that hes mafia. Listen to this man | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
annul is shouty and rude and is one of the players who are ruining the pro-town atmosphere. Also, him constantly trying to make a martyr of himself for fighting the good war against Palmar's immediate lynch, even though a lot of us have been calling against it from earlier, is very annoying. This is bad town play and it can be mafia play. But it is not enough to lynch him. serejai is a troll and is thus unreadable for now. If a vigilante wants to shoot him, I wouldn't mind - but don't vote for his lynch. Also, don't feed the trolls. I will discuss banning him from future games after this one is over - but let's not trade winning for getting rid of him. By the way, he shows some signs of thinking. I have said a lot of WBG and I don't see the point of repeating myself. A lot of the stuff he says make no sense whatsoever but he is always like this. Try posting as much as he does and you'll probably end up the same. He is completely unreadable and every vote on him is a gamble. Playing Mafia is not about gambling; it's no fun. Palmar serves as a protection for BC. BC thinks that he would be able to survive for at least one and perhaps even two nights without having the mayor around and perhaps he is right - but I'm not that convinced of BC being town as well, so let's no try this. Stay on focus and Palmar's three vote power won't hurt town that much. My file on Risen says: very newbie townie He made something that might be a scumslip or just him being completely unexperienced. Dunno, perhaps he thought that he would get an instant message from the mods if he was shot? Either way, I completely agree with WBG's post on him: On November 29 2011 19:34 wherebugsgo wrote: before I go to sleep, I wanted to state this: This is the entire fucking case on Risen. Everything else in his filter is completely town-like, but you choose to vote for his lynched based on this?! This looks like a scumslip. It very well could be a scumslip, but if we learned anything from day 1, it's that you don't lynch someone based on a single thing they said. Risen is an extremely easy lynch based on no analysis whatsoever. Please don't go for it. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
We should really push for annul to be modkilled. It is justified after all. He is active and his filter regardless if he flips green or red will show us the alingment of some people. It's a free lynch he gave us with that edit mistake. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
On November 30 2011 02:15 Steveling wrote: Being off to uni for some hours and came back to see 20 more pages filled. Da fuck. We should really push for annul to be modkilled. It is justified after all. He is active and his filter regardless if he flips green or red will show us the alingment of some people. It's a free lynch he gave us with that edit mistake. How would him flipping town tell us anything about other players. That has no logic behind it at all. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On November 30 2011 02:18 vaderseven wrote: How would him flipping town tell us anything about other players. That has no logic behind it at all. If he flips town we get to filter those who targeted him. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
Edit once and get a warning. After the warning if you do it again you get mod killed. End of story that is the rules. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
Have you ever loved someone so much, you'd give an arm for? Not the expression, no, literally give an arm for? When they know they're your heart And you know you were their armour And you will destroy anyone who would try to harm them But what happens when karma, turns right around and bites you? And everything you stand for, turns on you to spite you? What happens when you become the main source of their pain? I fucked up. I don't know where I went wrong, but I'm sure I will see it at some point. I am on a one way train to get-hanged-ville, and worst of all is I don't know what I did wrong. I have been doing extremely well as town lately in mafia, so I felt like I could trust myself to do this. Man, that backfired. I did provide the best reasoning I had, on a day that had very, very little discussion going on. Sure, you can argue that the correct move would've been to lynch an inactive or a lurker, but I am a firm believer in not changing things that are working. I was on a seven game streak of accusing mafia on day 1. Why would I not trust myself? Tebow may be the worst QB in the NFL, but they're not gonna bench him until he starts losing. The fear of me being mafia is eclipsing way too much in the thread. Maybe the best way to settle this is for me to die. I mean, it's not obvious to any of you until I flip, but what Ace did infuriated me so much. It is impossible to set trap for townies, because they can't spring it by definition, so my assumption was that he actually had some kind of a plan to get a better read on my alignment. Counting on Ace to be a reliable ally this game I decided to put a lot of effort into giving answers to him, only to find out the entire thing was just a ploy with no clear goal in mind, perhaps only to reinforce his already incorrect belief. Half the things he used as arguments weren't even correct, or at least pulled out of context. I guess you guys can imagine how much this frustrated me. In a game I'm already pouring my heart and soul in with so much activity, only to be stifled by having to spend the considerable time I'm putting into this game defending myself. I feel like shit. I felt like I could do it, lead the town and help as much as I possibly could, but I don't have the radiant shine of town that some other players possess when they're town. This is my mistake, I should have known it. I acted as de-facto leader of town in Real Time Mafia, and yet, with 5/6 mafia down by day 3, and me leading at least 2 of those lynches, I still got heavily accused. I should have learned. Maybe youngminii's remark that I should never be trusted should have been my first clue that this was not a good idea. For anyone who wants perspective on why this is hard for me, you should probably know how I feel about playing mafia in general. I'll quote myself from a few months ago. On August 16 2011 21:46 Palmar wrote: Warning: Rant + Show Spoiler + So, reading up on Zorkmid's thing made me remember how fucking madI get at people who cry about bad towns or themselves being tunneled are. Like, really, there is no one responsible but you. If the town is not agreeing with your logic, even if you're right, it's not because they are bad, it's because you are not doing a good enough job convincing them. If you are being tunneled, it's not because whoever is tunneling is bad, it's because you haven't clearly enough established your innocence. I don't care how bad the reasons for tunneling you are, if you get lynched, you're the problem, not the people who got you lynched. If someone got you lynched with terrible reasoning or on policy, good job them! Sure they may be town too, and thus be detrimental, but if you are town, you must be able to deflect that shit. Let that sink in for a moment. Someone came up with TERRIBLE reasons, and yet he still managed to get you lynched. How bad does that make you? Getting lynched in a mafia game is always your own fault, there is nothing else that can make you get lynched than you failing. Even when the odds are stacked against you (you're red, and a dt has a check on you), the responsibility is yours to make sure they hang some other bastard. If you think there exists something called "bad town" you're part of the problem. Part of your responsibility is to find out what kind of logic appeals to the town you're trying to convince. You'd not use the same methods to explain something to a bunch of kids, and to a board of executives. It's your responsibility to tailor-make the arguments to fit the people you're trying to convince. If person a) says "LOL, YOU MAFIA" and you say "No, here's a detailed analysis of why you must be scum", yet the town lynches you anyway, it's YOUR fault. You did not recognize what arguments would work with the town you're playing with. It's never someone else's fault. There is no such thing as bad towns. The only answer to the question "Why did we lose?" is "Because I am terrible and must improve". I'm sorry town. Maybe I was the problem. Good luck And when I'm gone, just carry on, don't mourn Rejoice every time you hear the sound of my voice Just know that I'm looking down on you smiling And I didn't feel a thing, So baby don't feel my pain Just smile back | ||
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