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On November 30 2011 02:07 tree.hugger wrote:
Unless... everyone is willing to hope on the Serejai wagon? Can you two figure out if you have support for Supersoft now? Because otherwise, let's use our votes on the people who screwed up obviously like Risen and WBG, or the people we have clues on like Zeks.
can you give logically sound reasons as to why this is the case?
because the reasoning in this thread behind those lynches strikes me as incredibly weak
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On November 30 2011 02:43 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 02:40 vaderseven wrote:
STOP SENDING ME PMS IF YOU ARENT A MOD THERE IS NO OOT COMMUNICATION.
I have received pm's from 3 different players in the past 24 hours. Its wrong. Stop it. Somehow I feel you are bullshitting here, as PMs are a bannable offense and instead of reporting them to mods you keep mentioning it in the thread. If I don't see three modkills for cheating tonight then you're full of shit and are probably mafia.
I am pretty sure any mod would hate me forever and maybe punish me if I was doing a gambit like that. It would violate so much about the spirit of the rules.
Also I can't count, 2 players have pmed me concerning the game and one dead player informed of how the edit rule works which is not game related as much as info related.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Might as well call GG if people are going to keep making posts like this:
On November 30 2011 02:47 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 02:46 Serejai wrote:On November 30 2011 02:43 vaderseven wrote:
If they ask ill forward the pm's which are all harmless but the fact that multi players have done that bothers me hugely. How is it "harmless" that three people in this game are cheating? The fact that you keep complaining about them cheating but then post things like this which suggest you don't want to report them for said cheating... This just screams lies and scum play. what also screams scum play is pushing to get three likely townies modkilled.
and this
On November 30 2011 02:47 layabout wrote:
This thread is becoming so bad i really don't feel like it's worth trying
we have dead players having arguements a huge number of modkills and replacements spam utterly contentless posts and highly amusing and fucking useless tf2 videos!!
but i signed up so
I'm going to vote for serajai
and this
On November 30 2011 02:51 sinani206 wrote:
Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and vote for zeks because theres nothing going on in the thread and I might not be here for the lynch.
##Vote: zeks
Apparently people can't be bothered to actually read the thread and make informed decisions. Apathetic town dies surer than dumb town. If you don't want to play, then why did you sign up in the first place? Why did you wait until now to throw in the towel?
People should get their act together.
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On November 30 2011 02:54 vaderseven wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 02:43 Serejai wrote:On November 30 2011 02:40 vaderseven wrote:
STOP SENDING ME PMS IF YOU ARENT A MOD THERE IS NO OOT COMMUNICATION.
I have received pm's from 3 different players in the past 24 hours. Its wrong. Stop it. Somehow I feel you are bullshitting here, as PMs are a bannable offense and instead of reporting them to mods you keep mentioning it in the thread. If I don't see three modkills for cheating tonight then you're full of shit and are probably mafia. I am pretty sure any mod would hate me forever and maybe punish me if I was doing a gambit like that. It would violate so much about the spirit of the rules. Also I can't count, 2 players have pmed me concerning the game and one dead player informed of how the edit rule works which is not game related as much as info related.
Doesn't change anything. If I don't see two modkills for PM cheating tonight then it's clear you've made all this up and the only logical reason you would lie for sympathy like this is if you were mafia.
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On November 30 2011 02:58 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 02:54 vaderseven wrote:On November 30 2011 02:43 Serejai wrote:On November 30 2011 02:40 vaderseven wrote:
STOP SENDING ME PMS IF YOU ARENT A MOD THERE IS NO OOT COMMUNICATION.
I have received pm's from 3 different players in the past 24 hours. Its wrong. Stop it. Somehow I feel you are bullshitting here, as PMs are a bannable offense and instead of reporting them to mods you keep mentioning it in the thread. If I don't see three modkills for cheating tonight then you're full of shit and are probably mafia. I am pretty sure any mod would hate me forever and maybe punish me if I was doing a gambit like that. It would violate so much about the spirit of the rules. Also I can't count, 2 players have pmed me concerning the game and one dead player informed of how the edit rule works which is not game related as much as info related. Doesn't change anything. If I don't see two modkills for PM cheating tonight then it's clear you've made all this up and the only logical reason you would lie for sympathy like this is if you were mafia.
the whole point of these rules is to prevent discussions and reasoning like this from dominating the game.
the point of the game is behavioral analysis, not using the rules or outside game mechanics to decide who is most likely to be scum.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On November 30 2011 02:54 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 02:07 tree.hugger wrote:
Unless... everyone is willing to hope on the Serejai wagon? Can you two figure out if you have support for Supersoft now? Because otherwise, let's use our votes on the people who screwed up obviously like Risen and WBG, or the people we have clues on like Zeks. can you give logically sound reasons as to why this is the case? because the reasoning in this thread behind those lynches strikes me as incredibly weak
Because in mafia if you wait around for someone to step forward and say "lolol guys I'm mafia haha fooled you" then you won't win. You go on suspicions and threads of evidence. You build your case and watch for mafia behavior. When you start to catch the mafia, you look back and they incriminate other mafia. It snowballs.
If you have a better idea, I guess you could state it now, but frankly the results for this day are pretty decided to begin with. Do you seriously not believe that Risen, WBG, or Zeks aren't mafia? Then say so and put forward a better candidate. If you don't have a better candidate, or if you want to town to win, than pick someone with the best evidence against them in your view, and vote.
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On November 30 2011 02:52 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 02:47 layabout wrote:This thread is becoming so bad i really don't feel like it's worth trying we have dead players having arguements a huge number of modkills and replacements spam utterly contentless posts and highly amusing and fucking useless tf2 videos!! but i signed up so I'm going to vote for serajai On November 29 2011 10:46 Serejai wrote:On November 29 2011 10:42 sinani206 wrote:On November 28 2011 10:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
although if I get shot tonight all you townies will have to deal with them on your own, it's a big scary world out there. holy shit major scumslip right here Indeed it is. This is why I've been saying wherebugsgo is scum. Vigis take him out tonight. We are supposed to take it for granted that players claim to be town! for instance somebody who claims to not be town in a game with only town and mafia must be mafia and as such there is no value in the statement "i am town", this extends to references to ones own alignment i.e. you do not need to refer to your own alignment when you post so if you wish to address town you do not necessarily need to include yourself (because it is implied by default).Additionally a single post should almost never be the grounds for a lynch. presuming he isn't modkilled for being ... serajai i think that reguardless of his alignment we should kill him. Even if he turns out to be a The Town Aligned Veteran Robo-Medi-Cop* i think that we should kill him. Also I think that as it stands the case on zeks is almost entirely clue-based on while the link seems convincing and clue-based lynch is not difficult for the mafia to initiate and a day 2 clue based lynch seems outright foolish. The votes on risen seems to be based on nothing more than that he posted that he was alive before the n1 post and then again after it. i shall leave it at that. sinani's case on wbg consisted mostly or comments that did not directly address his post and gave me the impression that much of the analysis was forced. Annul for all of his suspicious behaviour has said some very sensible things (for fuck sake there are still votes that have not been explained in the thread) and i feel that players saying sensible things should not be lynched without seriously incriminating behaviour. these are the cases that come to mind as i type i have not been swayed by any of the cases put forward on anybody, (in fact sinani's case on wbg's is one of the stronger ones although it pains me to type it out) so rather than support a weak case that i have no faith in or throw away my vote on somebody else (i dont not think i can create a case on an alternative candidate that could result in a lynch at this stage) i think we should lynch serajai, because he isn't worth a vigi and i think that if the double lynch will not hit 2 scum the least we could do is use it ensure his death. is excessive use of red text against the rules? i think it should be*disclaimer because combing medic veteran and cop into one role that is also a bulletproof robot would be ludicrous Lol. Mafia players makes a scum slip. Town player suggests to lynch the mafia player. layabout votes to lynch the player of unknown alignment that is trashing up the thread and not helping town in any way shape or form and defends the player also of unknown alignment that has not made a scumslip but has posted actual analysis and reasoning that itself can be analysed to allow player to better determine their alignment.i think red text is more convincing than an actual argument .
fixed!
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Sort of updated votecount (if we assume that annul made no mistakes in the first one and that all of the votes that followed were legit and I didn't manage to screw up in counting as well)
+ Show Spoiler +zeks: 24
palmar: 12
risen: 11
wherebugsgo: 9
xtfftc: 5
annul: 4
serejai: 2
hier: 3
supersoft: 3
prplhz: 2
kenpachi: 1
hassybaby: 1
deadlypsycho: 1
erandorr: 1
sandroba: 1
bumatlarge: 1
steveling: 1
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United States22154 Posts
If anyone is receiving out of thread communications I need to be informed. By PM. Now. Attach all relevant PMs to the message.
If anyone is lying about rule violations, they should get ready to suffer my wrath.
Also general thread warning to stop freaking spamming people. Try to make all your points in one post and stop repeating yourselves. Aimed especially at Serejai.
Finally if you are dead, please refrain from posting in the thread.
Also NO FUCKING EDITING
AND STOP TALKING ABOUT ACE, AND CHEATING. If you want to discuss that SAVE IT FOR THE POSTGAME.
Seriously people. Play Mafia, disregard everything else.
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##unvote heir and ##vote risen
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On November 30 2011 03:01 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 02:54 layabout wrote:On November 30 2011 02:07 tree.hugger wrote:
Unless... everyone is willing to hope on the Serejai wagon? Can you two figure out if you have support for Supersoft now? Because otherwise, let's use our votes on the people who screwed up obviously like Risen and WBG, or the people we have clues on like Zeks. can you give logically sound reasons as to why this is the case? because the reasoning in this thread behind those lynches strikes me as incredibly weak Because in mafia if you wait around for someone to step forward and say "lolol guys I'm mafia haha fooled you" then you won't win. You go on suspicions and threads of evidence. You build your case and watch for mafia behavior. When you start to catch the mafia, you look back and they incriminate other mafia. It snowballs. If you have a better idea, I guess you could state it now, but frankly the results for this day are pretty decided to begin with. Do you seriously not believe that Risen, WBG, or Zeks aren't mafia? Then say so and put forward a better candidate. If you don't have a better candidate, or if you want to town to win, than pick someone with the best evidence against them in your view, and vote.
first paragraph- waffle about how the game is played that presents nothing relevant
second paragraph- refuses to provide their own analysis or point to any credible analysis.Doesn't asks the question but instead ask me to explain why he is incorrect rather than explaining why he is correct, what possible reason could you have as town to do this? i can only think of one scumhunting. But whether or not you are scumhunting you should still be able to answer my question because you are publicly support the votes and should be able when asked to explain yourself in full, because you do not have a reason to hold back such information and because your reasoning should be sound.
So again can you give logically sound reasons as to why we sould "use our votes on the people who screwed up obviously like Risen and WBG, or the people we have clues on like Zeks" ?
i will answer you when you answer me
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Okay this is going to be my last post until I get off work
I am saddened at why there's so many votes for me. I might not be a veteran so my words might not have much weight behind them but several other people namely BC (a respected vet) have explained thoroughly why lynching off of clues is stupid
Practically half my votes were unjustified - people just kept piling on cause its the popular opinion. Now that pretty much every one has submitted their vote I will claim now and you guys can take my claim for whatever it is
I am a VIGILANTE
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On November 30 2011 03:11 zeks wrote:
Okay this is going to be my last post until I get off work
I am saddened at why there's so many votes for me. I might not be a veteran so my words might not have much weight behind them but several other people namely BC (a respected vet) have explained thoroughly why lynching off of clues is stupid
Practically half my votes were unjustified - people just kept piling on cause its the popular opinion. Now that pretty much every one has submitted their vote I will claim now and you guys can take my claim for whatever it is
I am a VIGILANTE
What are the odds of him being a vigi with two vigis already dead in a game this size?
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On November 30 2011 03:13 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 03:11 zeks wrote:
Okay this is going to be my last post until I get off work
I am saddened at why there's so many votes for me. I might not be a veteran so my words might not have much weight behind them but several other people namely BC (a respected vet) have explained thoroughly why lynching off of clues is stupid
Practically half my votes were unjustified - people just kept piling on cause its the popular opinion. Now that pretty much every one has submitted their vote I will claim now and you guys can take my claim for whatever it is
I am a VIGILANTE
What are the odds of him being a vigi with two vigis already dead in a game this size?
well there are 80 people, so....
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On November 30 2011 03:13 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 03:11 zeks wrote:
Okay this is going to be my last post until I get off work
I am saddened at why there's so many votes for me. I might not be a veteran so my words might not have much weight behind them but several other people namely BC (a respected vet) have explained thoroughly why lynching off of clues is stupid
Practically half my votes were unjustified - people just kept piling on cause its the popular opinion. Now that pretty much every one has submitted their vote I will claim now and you guys can take my claim for whatever it is
I am a VIGILANTE
What are the odds of him being a vigi with two vigis already dead in a game this size?
Considering the amount of mafia KP, I'd say they are decent.
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Also Mafia can have vigis so he could be telling the truth and be scum.
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I sincerely doubt mafia will have vigs, they got plenty of kp already.
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Your hunch is noted. I shall weigh it vs what is 100% possible according to the rules and the size of the game and conclude that it is in fact a hunch and nothing more.
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Zeke have you used your SHOT?
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