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On November 30 2011 04:32 sandroba wrote: risen if you can convince the whole thread to change to decon/stevedude/serejai I'll unvote you. Good luck though.
Out of those three Deconduo is the only one I am suspicious of; I don't have proper reads for the other two yet. Sandroba, what do you think of Supersoft? It would be nice to hear some good players' opinions on him.
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On November 30 2011 04:33 sandroba wrote: prpl too I guess, pretty sure he is scum.
Would you mind telling me why? You have said this before and I have asked for something substantial before, because I actually think that you can do something good for town this game and I don't want you wasting your time on me. It's a whole different case with redFF and supersoft .. You just keep saying in the thread that I am scum, and then Palmar agrees with you because he thinks I'm not spamming as much as I usually do as town. Fucking hilarious.
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Holy hell, how many replacements have happened so far?
Switching off annul as he's definitely more town than Zeks is at this point. Zeks looks like a child trying desperately to stay above the water. I'm going to vote Zeks now. I know I said clues were bad, but how he's reacted under pressure is terrible.
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On November 30 2011 03:26 xtfftc wrote: WBG, give me you opinion on Supersoft, please.
I believe supersoft to be town.
He has said things like this:
On November 24 2011 17:29 supersoft wrote: prplhz. seriously no. You were crying about why everyone thinks you're scum all the time a few days ago. We can't elect you as mayor. You're even lying in your campaignpost:
"I have the very useful talent to be able to tell bad townie play apart from scummy play."
wat? This is ironic right? "useful talent toi have".
This is a catch that no one else noticed. prpl doesn't have the ability to tell apart bad townie play from scummy play, almost no one does.
He also said this:
On November 27 2011 04:34 supersoft wrote: why doesn't that influence your vote?! I mean if Palmar is town, sandro and BC are either both town/both scum OR sandro is scum. You realize that there are 16 scumteammembers... If they'd put 7-8 votes on their candidate, he's easily sherrif...
If he were scum then why would he bother asking this? This is a pointless question to get answered if you are scum.
He'd just shut up and laugh while the guy votes in two of his scumbuddies.
He also said things like this:
On November 27 2011 05:03 supersoft wrote: wbg is a horrible choice for sherrif. Seriously. He and Palmar are too tight knit. I want a balanced office.
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On November 27 2011 20:23 supersoft wrote:Palmar, I think it's better to use a doublelynch tomorrow. We have to work together and if we do so, I guess we can catch scum tomorrow. You have to admit, that the situation is a little bit scary for us, if you don't do what we say.
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On November 27 2011 16:22 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 14:56 bumatlarge wrote: I don't know, YM over kenpachi or supersoft? What's up with that palmar.
Poor Heir going against the grain. Rock on little man. Before I give my scum reads, I'd like to see the modkills first. 8KP sounds brutal by the by. what the fuck. Since when am I considered as a suspect? If you base this on the shit this sinanidouble posted earlier, I am going to ignore you aswell. I fully agree with sandroba. Syllogism and him are 100% town. As I predicted, there was a huge voteshift from everywhere to BC. Based on the votepatterns, I think he's scum. I am going to sleep now, and reevaluate everything when I wake up.
and this:
On November 28 2011 07:34 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 07:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 28 2011 07:15 supersoft wrote: I am so sorry, that I was so ungrateful. I want to thank you a billion times for not mentioning my name.
You know what, actually I would have been surprised if you'd try to get me lynched or shot or whatever. It's enough for you to undermine my credibility. That's exactly what scum does. They don't want to be responsible for a horrible mislynch.
My logic is simple. The sherrifspot was detemined by the scumteam, because the votes were so close. Determined by the scumteam? didnt mostly vets vote for me? that would imply that mostly vets are the scumteam, it would also imply that you know the scumteam. in the course of 24 hours I gained votes. Roba was at one point insanely far ahead and had a huge amount of sheep voters. When people saw him flip flop they unvoted. You need to work on your logic, it is fairly bad right now I'd prefer answers to my questions over lessons in logic. 1. I want to know why am I a good day1 lynch. 2. I want to read your interpretation of the voteresults.
Note that I don't believe BC ever answered supersoft on these questions.
Ace entered the thread and it was immediately forgotten.
However, I could be wrong about supersoft. Recently he switched his vote to Palmar, and quite frankly I think that's a stupid move. Had he stuck with his earlier opinion I'd be sure he's town, but he's sheeping along with a massive majority of town and that's really troublesome.
Of course, if I'm just an idiot and Palmar actually is scum I'll look terrible for this, but I'm okay with that, seeing as this game makes no sense to me anyway.
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oh jesus christ dude i didnt break the obvious intent of the rule and i didnt cheat and the mod already addressed the subject.
i post quick succession one liners because i have a thought and i post it, and then i have a related thought and i post it
if this bothers you sure i understand but would you rather i do what id otherwise do... edit my original post? of course not =P
i post successive one liners regardless of color btw
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wherebugsgo you sure post alot.
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On November 30 2011 04:43 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 04:25 xtfftc wrote:On November 30 2011 04:17 Zephirdd wrote:On November 30 2011 04:13 Steveling wrote:On November 30 2011 04:08 layabout wrote:On November 30 2011 03:59 Steveling wrote: Layabout's filter is a big pile posts about the issues we faced on day 1, and a correct call on kitiman27 being a reliable town mayor Yet he somehow feels motivated to post in length in his dispute with Jackal58(which surprise surprise flipped town) over Palmar. He now does the same thing standing up for WBG. WBG has his own history defending Palmar as well.
We are in for a great night gents. "which surprise surprise flipped town" im asking you to use logic and reason when you post the "dispute" with jackal was me pointing out that 100% was an exaggeration based on numbers, it was explained to me that it was based upon ideas about how GMmarshall likes to balance games, i criticised the "reasoning" used to argue for lynching of WBG but to me the arguements were god-aweful WBG may be scum but based on what we know i don't see how you could conclude that from what has been said Did you just edit my quote? You must have balls of steel to do that in the recent clusterfuck of rulebreaking we had. I think I have to report you. Oh yeah, and Steveling is another one I'd like gone. Preferably through a vigi shot, lynches are too precious for someone like him. The reason is simple: he replaced this guy which was already scum in my eyes, and his posts have been mostly retarded bullshit(like this one here). there I said it What about from those who are likely to get lynched today? At the moment, there's zeks (~20); palmar, risen and wbg (~10 each); supersoft, myself, annul and serejai (~5 each)? It's very much likely that two of those will be lynched and you said Supersoft already, so do you reckon that one of the others is mafia? I kinda get that people want zeks lynched because of that clue, but I'm not sure if it's the right choice. Any argument I can bring include an ongoing game, and it would be bad to talk about it until it ends. I'm pretty sure Palmar is town. WBG is being WBG and is probably town as well. Risen pushes zeks' lynch(which I disagree with), but I can see him as a town. I've had a few doubts about you, but I don't think you are scum. Not now at least. I'd have to look into it later on. Serejai is fucking retarded, but I've seen retarded town like that. annul is a null read at this point; some posts feels like he is town, some feels like he is scum. I hate that he posts quick-sucession oneliners, feels hard to follow; However he should be modkilled for editing if I'm not mistaken, right? Oh yeah, and wbg has his retardedly huge posts. I like that. I also think that BloodyC0bbler was a bit scummy(namely from his "LAL on a game of newbies is bad" post; but that could be just me disagreeing with him). Cool, thanks.
I would like to encourage the other relatively silent players to do something similar, it would help the whole game immensely.
Oh, and what mods have, should, and shouldn't have done will be discussed after the game. For now just assume that everyone who is in the game will stay in the game.
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On November 30 2011 04:41 prplhz wrote: @wherebugsgo
That 1for1 trade is WIFOM and that is a terrible terrible argument for Palmar's innocence. Your buddying with him while distancing yourself from him has been going on all game long and it has been weird. I have no idea why you are defending him because one of the most townie players I have seen on this forum, is currently not acting very townie. Can you explain this?
I'm not distancing myself from him, because I'm not scum.
All of you keep making assumptions first and then conclusions later. That's not how you find scum, that's how you get DUPED by good scum.
I don't know what there is to explain, since no one's current accusations are backed up by anything. I just dismantled BC's entire argument for Palmar being scum. Do you have something new that only you know?
Honestly I think you are scum at this point.
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It stills annoys me 
I don't have a real read on you though, annul. And sorry about bringing the editing thing up.
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On November 30 2011 04:50 Coagulation wrote: wherebugsgo you sure post alot.
better than you, who post none.
How many posts did you have in Steamship, where you were scum? 5?
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I agree with bugs, ss is prob town. Ty for answering for me. <3 prpl you are scum because your day1 makes no sense in a townie perspective. Besides that, you realized previously that lynching palmar was a bad move, but now that votes are close you back pedal.
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All my analysis is going to be in reverse chrono order because I'm an idiot who went in reverse when pasting quotes and such into notepad.
Sandroba
On November 30 2011 04:22 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 04:08 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 30 2011 04:07 sandroba wrote: dunno know what to make of zeks claim, pretty sure mafia would claim in that spot. prpl you vote palmar you auto mafia good day sir. sandro let's save this town, yeah? No too lazy and not like anyone listens to me. Be my guest though, I'd love if someone carry me this game. Besides, you owe me for defending you last game when you were scum for 2 days =P
Just feels scummy to me. No I don't want to try because town is OMGUS.
On November 29 2011 23:29 sandroba wrote: Xfttc who do you want to lynch. you realize moving the lynch to someone who has no votes so far is not going to happen.
Asking for advice instead of posting a case for who he wants.
On November 29 2011 23:05 sandroba wrote: I agree lynching zeks and risen. Zeks may not be scum, but I'm willing to take a chance. Risen activity spiked like hell now that the heat is on and he came in and posted several coherent posts. Pretty sure he is mafia, despite w/e scum slip. Don't have a good reason for risk to be mafia at this point. He fos'ed that steven dude who I think is scummy as shit.
Bandwagon vote on me. Jumping on a vote because it's easy and backing it up with a false statement like "scumslip"
On November 29 2011 02:11 sandroba wrote: Okay I thought a bit and realized that risen dude is probably best left for a lurker shot, since he has almost no posts and it's a nice use of it. If he is scum mafia would 100% bus that shit without giving it a second thought, so I think a vig shot is more productive in that matter. SNIP
You talk about not wanting to bandwagon me, and then bandwagon vote me.
On November 28 2011 22:55 sandroba wrote: hmm match i think you are right and that clue pointing to bc would really be too obvious. I've looked into profiles and found one that fits. Lemonwalrus' profile mentions a writer and that he wants to read 50 books a year. ink "I am scared to delve into the psychology of gaining self-acceptance through members of a different species, but to be fair I am also afraid to delve into swamps, there might be alligators in them." psychologists "I get tunnel vision and nearly pass out when I see blood, but I'm trying to get a job at a pharmaceutical company that makes drugs for heamophiliacs." heamophilia means you can't stop the bleeding. death was bloody as hell "^^I did the drums for that!" drums = wooden stick (wooden bat?)
Maybe this is just because it's a clue game. But really? A reference to drums stretching it to drumsticks, stretching it to wooden bats? That's really far fetched and I don't see any townie posting this unless they were mafia and trying to muddy the waters.
On November 26 2011 03:05 sandroba wrote: If I'm elected I'm going to lynch sinani206. Yes, this is the guy who normally is suspicious as fuck regardless of alignment, posts a lot of one liners and says scummy things all the time. As town he calls people scum or town for no reason whatsoever, but he speaks his mind. But that's not what we are seeing from him this game. He is straight up TROLLING with no purpose behind his posts.This is a common tactic for mafia to have one or more of their members do to shit up the thread, especially in a huge game where the importance of each member to the team as a whole is reduced. sinani206 is the perfect candidate for that kind of stuff, since everyone that has played with him normally cuts him some slack for saying scummy shit. This behaviour can also be observed in the first game he played on TL where he was mafia (mafia XXXIX) when he acted like he was dumb to get away with posting nonsense. This is typical sinani206 scum behaviour and a complete shift in his meta from when he is town. It is a shift in a very mafia oriented way, since as town he has absolutely no reason to post like he has been doing and he is not known to troll regardless of alignment. His behaviour only helps him to hide, because his normal play would most likely get him lynched regardless of alignment.
From his mayoral campaign. He says sinani is suspicious regardless of alignment and then builds a case on how sinani is scum because he's acting like a troll. Later he withdraws his auto-lynch on sinani because of all the people saying how dumb it would be.
This is all I've got on sandroba, but I think it's enough.
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##vote prplhz ##vote BloodyC0bbler
Other lynches I will support today:
Deconduo Hier Blind-Rawr Erandorr Coagulation Serejai
Lynches I will not touch with a 20 m pole today:
Palmar Risen zeks
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Note, I'm trying to keep my analysis from being swayed simply because the person argues that X is mafia and I happen to agree that X is mafia, simply because then I'd get super confused since everyone seems to have a circle chain going on who they think is mafia and who isn't.
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On November 30 2011 04:56 wherebugsgo wrote: ##vote prplhz ##vote BloodyC0bbler
Other lynches I will support today:
Deconduo Hier Blind-Rawr Erandorr Coagulation Serejai
Lynches I will not touch with a 20 m pole today:
Palmar Risen zeks
And this is one of the reasons I believe wbg isn't scum. scum wouldn't bother defending the easiest bandwagons so much.
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Don't bother with analysis risen, after what you posted it won't do us any good even if you are town =/
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WBG, thanks as well. I'd just like to point something out: Supersoft's play on Day 1 was mostly okay. However, it was really easy for mafia to sound sensible on Day 1, considering that there wasn't much real hunting going on. None of the posts you have quoted are from Day 2.
These are Supersoft's posts since Bum posted his case: + Show Spoiler +
Anyway, I'm going to focus on my second pick for today now.
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On November 30 2011 00:37 supersoft wrote: annul edited hist post with the votecount. this is against the no-editing rule. since his edit doesnt really violate the rules' purpose I think a modkill is way too much as punishment.
since ace is here i have to agree with him. he didnt bet anything. he suggested that. he didnt even try to do it. you dont have to go to jail for murder is you only suggest to murder someone.
this modkill was a grave mistake!
this is the third post in your list, xt.
How is this anti-town?
this is the first one:
On November 29 2011 19:53 supersoft wrote: this ace-modkilled screwed the whole game. + this mass of stealthvoters.
How is that anti-town?
None of his posts day 2 have been anti-town at all.
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@xft based on night kills alone bum has a ultra high chance of being scum. Jackal and redFF(?) shot and bum still alive? He had like 0 chance of atracting medics due to activity. Coupled with the fact that he is lurking his ass off while town is self destructing, you see where I'm going. If anything that makes ss even more likely to be town.
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