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annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
November 27 2011 18:55 GMT
#2061
night time is generally used for strategizing for the next day. most people like to go quiet at night so as to not give away any tells for potential night action. (i personally dont care and am active most of the time no matter what color i happen to be in a game)

but generally speaking people just react to the lynch flip and decide what to do from there
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
November 27 2011 18:55 GMT
#2062
There is really nothing to discuss during the night and most forum games don't allow night posting.
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
November 27 2011 18:58 GMT
#2063
Ah ok. I was wondering for a second why all the posts sort of disappeared for a while. I thought that possible day 2 lynches may have been discussed, but I guess there's no point when we get clues in a few hours
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vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
November 27 2011 18:59 GMT
#2064
That and night discussion can sadly help the mafia.

Sometimes they can find a better night kill choice based on things said at night.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
November 27 2011 18:59 GMT
#2065
On November 28 2011 03:32 vaderseven wrote:
It would be a trade off cept roles get used every night. Once our power roles follow peoples directions even once then we have set an easy way for the mafia to predict things from then on.

Ok consider this just because palmar is posting a list. It is essentially the same as us having a discussion of who to lynch we all say who we think is scummy and then decide who to lynch. Power roles are effected by that discussion as much as any. If a argument makes sense ofc its gonna effect who you decide to pick. Suggesting they use a RNG is dumb and i think you know that. I do agree with you saying using there own hunches but,

That's the entire point a completely new player prolly wont have the first idea whos scummy or not. After they get a night or two under there belt see a scum or two flip and examine there posts. Then they prolly wont need a list anyway. Its just there to provide help if needed and you are completely forgetting the WIFOM factor. While i don't think it should ever be over thought. Not all the power roles will use the list the more experienced ones prolly wont use it my guess that power roles were distributed 25% noobs and the rest to more experienced players from what i understand how gm organized his games (He doesn't like using RNG)

But a list just serves as a compliation of peoples thoughts and ideas of whos scummy. It would the essentially the same if he typed this is who i think is scummy and this is who i think is not scummy. The blues could still utilize the list regardless if it said anything about power roles. But eventually my hope is that the power roles newer players will decide on there own who to check and protect and so forth.

And also i dont understand your bolded point. if they use there roles with the list once how will it help the mafia they wont know if they actaully stopped someone in regards to there role. Plz elaborate that point

RNG means Random Number Generator
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Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
November 27 2011 19:01 GMT
#2066
With whats been said on this page lets try and keep the night posting to as little as possible.
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xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
November 27 2011 19:02 GMT
#2067
On November 28 2011 03:52 Hassybaby wrote:
I was going to ask about that

What....are we actually supposed to do during the night? I understand the blues should be sing their powers, but what about everything else?

The same thing we're supposed to do all the time: analyse. Even if our blues are amazing and/or really lucky, the game is won by analysing stuff. If we can stay focused and carry on analysing, it's always going to be benefitial for town.

Because the deadline is far away, people post less than usual during nighttime, which makes it easier for mafia to lurk - something they are pretty happy with. Still, this doesn't mean that no mafia will be active during the night.

Do you mind going through supersoft's filter and telling me what you think of him? And, of course, feel free to ask me and anyone else to do similar things.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
November 27 2011 19:03 GMT
#2068
If power role A follows directions in thread on day 1 then the mafia can count that he will follow directions in thread on day 2.
xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
November 27 2011 19:04 GMT
#2069
On November 28 2011 03:59 vaderseven wrote:
That and night discussion can sadly help the mafia.

Sometimes they can find a better night kill choice based on things said at night.

How come? How do things said during the night differ from things said during the day?
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
November 27 2011 19:06 GMT
#2070
Things said during the night are not leading to a lynch but instead towards night targets. Unless someone can prove to me that years of mafia logic of never leading town power roles being effective (outside of hilarious gambit situations) then I see very little that can be truly gained during the night except for the most abstract of strat talking.
xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
November 27 2011 19:09 GMT
#2071
On November 28 2011 04:06 vaderseven wrote:
Things said during the night are not leading to a lynch but instead towards night targets.

How exactly? If mafia can figure out who to hit because of what we say during the night (which somehow differs from what we would say during the day), then medics can use the same information when choosing who to protect.
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 27 2011 19:10 GMT
#2072
On November 28 2011 04:06 vaderseven wrote:
Things said during the night are not leading to a lynch but instead towards night targets. Unless someone can prove to me that years of mafia logic of never leading town power roles being effective (outside of hilarious gambit situations) then I see very little that can be truly gained during the night except for the most abstract of strat talking.


Some people view it as a final chance to say whatever is on their mind before they might die, but that of course can influence WIFOM with who actually dies.
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vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
November 27 2011 19:15 GMT
#2073
As is always true wifom applies? The way I think it basically is that between day 2 and night 1 the town gains information at a larger rate than the mafia does so since directing power roles is bad (do i need to back this up with more proof?) and there is no lynch to take care of the only thing that can be gained is to post some critical information that you afraid will get hidden because you know you are about to die.

I just do not see the point of posting deep thoughts about player's during the night.

Mind you, if you are the type of player that only posts rarely and when you randomly remember that you are in this game then post anytime regardless of day/night. What I am talking pertains to active players that are trying to win.

vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
November 27 2011 19:15 GMT
#2074
wow you ninja'd me grey.
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 27 2011 19:21 GMT
#2075
On November 28 2011 04:15 vaderseven wrote:
wow you ninja'd me grey.


I am one with the shadows.
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xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
November 27 2011 19:22 GMT
#2076
On November 28 2011 04:15 vaderseven wrote:
I just do not see the point of posting deep thoughts about player's during the night.

Because the more analysis we have, the better? There's always stuff to be analysed. It doesn't have to be new information.

If you can explain it to me how posting during the night is more benefitial to mafia, I might see your point. Until then I would strongly recommend discussing stuff all the time.

vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
November 27 2011 19:26 GMT
#2077
On November 28 2011 04:22 xtfftc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 04:15 vaderseven wrote:
I just do not see the point of posting deep thoughts about player's during the night.

Because the more analysis we have, the better? There's always stuff to be analysed. It doesn't have to be new information.

If you can explain it to me how posting during the night is more benefitial to mafia, I might see your point. Until then I would strongly recommend discussing stuff all the time.



I guess from the point of view of a player that doesn't keep notes and isn't active that makes total sense. For an active player that keeps notes there is disadvantages to posting deep analysis during the night vs the day. This is why alot of forum games of mafia have no posting allowed during the night. It is the only case where there is downsides to posting information. The night is the mafia's time of power. They have the 'map control' and it is during the day that the town is able to take that back.

This is a weird issue, to be sure, but I will not stand by and let the power roles be led starting n1. I have at the very least accomplished getting that message out.
xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
November 27 2011 19:29 GMT
#2078
For an active player that keeps notes there is disadvantages to posting deep analysis during the night vs the day.

What disadvantages? Examples, please.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
November 27 2011 19:31 GMT
#2079
So from what I'm reading.
We now wait to see who the scum gonna kill and analyse the victim and those which he interacted with?
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Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
November 27 2011 19:34 GMT
#2080
On November 28 2011 04:31 Steveling wrote:
So from what I'm reading.
We now wait to see who the scum gonna kill and analyse the victim and those which he interacted with?

And wait for clues
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