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Radfield
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Erandorr
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Palmars surprise weirded me out a lot actually. He forced Wiggles into a position where he had to commit and then was surprised that he did exactly that? This feels a bit like he is distancing himself from that possible lynch already. Oh and Palmar is either playing his XLIV Town(cause that one works out great) or scum. I am very surprised he is not pushing the lynch harder, it is so unlike town palmer. Just sitting around while town derps themself is kinda like Scum palmar though. The thing with palmar is that he could be doing this as both Scum and town, which makes him very hard to read. Its possible that he is town and just provoking a ton of reactions with different accusations. His gameplay in this is once again completely focused around himself and not what is good for town in general. Thats what I hate about it and thats also what makes him so very hard to judge. I need to sleep now, gotta get up in 7 hours. Eurotime excuse! | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
On November 17 2011 06:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: So Wiggles, please show me where I "make multiple aggressive moves towards people before settling on hiro." Your whole little case against me is essentially a rehash of what hiro wrote. It was bad when hiro wrote it and it's bad now. Still, I don't think Wiggles is the best lynch for today. The case against Wiggles started when sandroba decided to start playing the game. Palmar jumped on board and those two got things started. Now the case isn't completely baseless. I've seen Wiggles play third party and scum and his current play does smell suspiciously like that. However I'd rather lynch hiro, who's scummy behavior has only increased since last time I brought him up. Notice that since the case against Wiggles was brought up, hiro has posted ZERO times. This is a huge scumtell in that once the pressure's off he goes back to lurking. A townie would still be contributing, however a mafia would want to get out of the discussion as soon as the pressure is off. The Pressure has never left me. Im still on the chomping block as far as I know lol. Why make it sound like Im not? besides, I got to sleep/work as well, and now that thats done, here I am. Im gonna re-read the thread and take my vote off WBG. Ill post some analysis in one sec. just wanted to address this first | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On November 16 2011 10:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote: jaybrundage: Right now, he's being a sheep. That's either due to the fact that he's new, or because he's trying to blend in. He got called out early, and after that he's just sort of been going along with majority opinion. Case in point: | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
Well as i see it we have to good votes for today hiro and Wiggles. Everyone seemed to agree that hiro was acting very scummy. And that his votes had alot of scum tells honestly im not sure if i should recap and quote and stuff that he has said or if that would just be repeating what has been already On November 16 2011 07:02 hiro protagonist wrote: No shit mafia want to look like town without actually trying to help. They also want a bad atmosphere to hide in. By saying my post is worthless, your saying that its cool to spam, argue, and tunnel, which mafia love. You are pushing pro mafia ideas. So my FoS still stands. Kinda doesnt make sense he gets attacked by meapak and then says your pushing mafia ideas while my read on meapak was that he was doing a good job trying to find mafia tells. and push leads. On November 16 2011 08:06 hiro protagonist wrote: I want to lynch Meapak. I would love to see more/any posts from Sandroba, Palmar, Wiggles, and WBG but there on my radar too. If you were not voting for me, who would you like to lynch? I guess people said this was a big tell i guess it shows lack of commitment but maybe i dont see as much because im new AS EVERYONE HAS POINTED OUT jeesh On November 16 2011 10:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote: jaybrundage: Right now, he's being a sheep. That's either due to the fact that he's new, or because he's trying to blend in. He got called out early, and after that he's just sort of been going along with majority opinion. Case in point: I though it would be important to voice my opinion while i did agree with others everything i said was what i though as well lets be honest your first post was fluff i agreed on that because it was true it was baseless and useless. And as for wanting WBG to post ofc i voted for him i was hoping to elicit some response On November 16 2011 19:10 sandroba wrote: I don't like the hiro lynch. I've read his posts and while his logic path is not stellar, his posts seem genuine and doesn't seem like he is trying to hide. I see him arguing controversial issues and not thinking carefully before he posts. Not mafia imo. People that don't seem genuine to me as of now are Mr.Wiggles (his "atempt" at catching scum was the most optimistic plan ever known to man) and jaydude (seemed, but has posted very little, only one liners without any thought behind and after people's reaction to his posts has gone missing -> good match for inexperienced scum, but a poor choice for a lynch today since I know nothing about his play). I'm not quite sold on any lynch in particular yet, but I'm against lynching hiro. I find it interesting that you got a scum read on you not sure what you mean about "intusiastic about mafia" partly because its not a word :p and but even enthusiastic about mafia does make much sense to me. Can you extrapolate? I have tried to post with a bit more content my last one way back and this one. And the reason i think Mr.Wiggles could be mafia is his first useless post and after he voted for Meapak who i think i got a good town read from. And his low post count shows hes not contributing much although we have to try to factor RL ofc On November 17 2011 00:52 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Meapak_Ziphh on the other hand, has shown that he's definitely scummy. He was trying to play the hyper-aggressive townie, but he hasn't played his role quite well enough. Notice that he makes aggressive moves towards multiple players in a short period of time, before settling on hiro. This is enough to establish himself as "scumhunting", but then he never follows up. There's barely any additional pressure on hiro after his vote, he doesn't try to convince anyone else in the town to vote for hiro, he doesn't respond to what I said about him, and he basically disappears from the thread. This is incredibly scummy, and contrary to everything a townie should be doing after early aggression. ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh At this point i would be fine voting for Mr.Wiggles or Hiro Although im confused why people stopped voting for Hiro from what i got about people talking about his other games is he just bad at town (lol) I honestly would not be able to tell who is more mafia like. But i want to hear more about why Sandroba would not to vote hiro you said hes geniune and just not thinking his posts thru but the counter FOS on meapak that seemed rather off imo. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On November 17 2011 06:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: So Wiggles, please show me where I "make multiple aggressive moves towards people before settling on hiro." Your whole little case against me is essentially a rehash of what hiro wrote. It was bad when hiro wrote it and it's bad now. Still, I don't think Wiggles is the best lynch for today. The case against Wiggles started when sandroba decided to start playing the game. Palmar jumped on board and those two got things started. Now the case isn't completely baseless. I've seen Wiggles play third party and scum and his current play does smell suspiciously like that. However I'd rather lynch hiro, who's scummy behavior has only increased since last time I brought him up. Notice that since the case against Wiggles was brought up, hiro has posted ZERO times. This is a huge scumtell in that once the pressure's off he goes back to lurking. A townie would still be contributing, however a mafia would want to get out of the discussion as soon as the pressure is off. Sure thing. I'll leave out the hiro stuff though, because that's apparent. + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2011 10:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Guys guys guys. Did I really just read palmar call for a lynch of a player who hasn't posted in the thread? And even worse, people are listening to him? -_- Are we stll pregame trolling? Call out Palmar On November 16 2011 04:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I guess this will be one of Palmar's off games then. Anyway, I'd feel good about lynching Wiggles right now. While it's true that the game has been slow there's still stuff to talk about. Wiggles decided to ignore the whole Palmar thing and told everyone to sit back and talk about completely irelevant things for no appparent purpose. Also I'd feel grand lynching hiro. This post is so unbelievable worthless that my mind has a hard time comprehending it. This is like a textbook example of contributing without contributing and fluff posting. The part in red had me laughing it was so hypocritical. Call out Palmar again. Threaten me with a lynch, and act aggressively towards Hiro some more. On November 16 2011 05:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Also WBG, it's time to show your ugly mug in here. Call out WBG. On November 16 2011 06:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: ...lol What you said had no value. I'll just let you know that. Scum like to say things that have no content because it doesn't force them to defend themselves. I'll let you know that as well. Calling you out on bullshit isn't scummy. Nice FoS bro, the heat getting to you already? @Mr. Wiggles and Palmar: I know you both are active on TL right now, get in here and post. Call out me and Palmar again. Part of what to look at is not just that you're calling people out, but how you're doing it. It's not just saying that someone's inactive or that you think they're scummy, but taking a threatening tone towards them that makes it aggressive. I'm guessing this is what you're referring to when you say "Hiro's case" against you: On November 16 2011 06:42 hiro protagonist wrote: Hiro calls you out here for what he perceives as promoting " pointless tunneling and reckless arguing and spam, resulting in a mislynch and bad reads", and that's basically the thesis of his argument against you.Heres the thing Meapak, I was leading by example because I dont think that post is worthless. It would be worthless if that was my only post, or if it was made 2/3 into day 1, but thats not the case. perhaps we should agree to disagree ^_^ Heres my beef thou. You say that everyone is all ready against pointless argument and tunneling, but it happens in lots of games. I think it needs to be said because lots of towns have self imploded on day 1 with pointless tunneling and reckless arguing and spam, resulting in a mislynch and bad reads. I want to avoid it now, so I said something preemptive. To call me out and say Im scum because of that, As well as insinuate that what I said has no value, Is not townie thinking. Its scummy. FoS on Meapak. So, thanks for trying to misrepresent my argument which doesn't resemble what Hiro said at all; it just helps cement my read on you. I never said that you were scummy for acting aggressively like Hiro did, I said that you're scummy for how you acted after you were aggressive. Instead of continuing to aggressively pursue a lynch in the same way that you were calling out other players, you completely disappeared. This is scum calling out a bunch of people and making an early vote to look like he's contributing before dropping into the background. When a townie picks someone out as scum, his job is to convince the rest of the town that it's so, or after discussion with them, re-evaluate his opinion (i.e. if the entire town calls him an idiot he should maybe look at his analysis again). MZ doesn't do this. He acts aggressively towards Hiro, calls him mafia, and then doesn't follow through with trying to get him lynched. He heaps suspicion onto him, but doesn't actively pursue the lynch after actually calling him out in the thread. Perfect scum behaviour for looking like he's actively scum-hunting when really the early vote gives him an excuse to sit on his hands for the next ~28 hours. Either Hiro doesn't get lynched, and it looks like he was contributing, or he does, but he doesn't take heat for the mislynch because he wasn't actively pushing the lynch. (assuming MZ is mafia and thus pushed a townie). Also, he does a good job of not responding to anything that I said and just calling it "bad", that definitely addresses my concerns, lol. I'm also liking Erandorr less and less: On November 17 2011 07:26 Erandorr wrote: Okay I read Wiggles last post and am actually still completely fine with lynching him. Palmars surprise weirded me out a lot actually. He forced Wiggles into a position where he had to commit and then was surprised that he did exactly that? This feels a bit like he is distancing himself from that possible lynch already. Oh and Palmar is either playing his XLIV Town(cause that one works out great) or scum. I am very surprised he is not pushing the lynch harder, it is so unlike town palmer. Just sitting around while town derps themself is kinda like Scum palmar though. The thing with palmar is that he could be doing this as both Scum and town, which makes him very hard to read. Its possible that he is town and just provoking a ton of reactions with different accusations. His gameplay in this is once again completely focused around himself and not what is good for town in general. Thats what I hate about it and thats also what makes him so very hard to judge. I need to sleep now, gotta get up in 7 hours. Eurotime excuse! "Wiggles is suspicious of me? Better keep my vote on him then. Also, I think Palmar is acting like scum but also like not scum and here's a paragraph that says nothing. I'm also gonna AFK, ciao.". Everything he's saying so far is super non-committal and tells us nothing. Even notice how he's voting for me, but looking through the filter, I don't see once where he actually calls me scum. All I see is: "I would be okay with lynching Wiggles." "I think Wiggles is the best lynch right now." "Okay I read Wiggles last post and am actually still completely fine with lynching him." I think that's the most non-committal posting I've ever seen. He doesn't call me scum and he doesn't say I'm scummy, just that he's "okay" and "fine" with lynching me. He's floating along with what other people have said without committing strongly to his position. ##FoS: Erandorr | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6785 Posts
On November 16 2011 17:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: @prphlz: I had to make the picture lol. And this post On November 17 2011 06:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: So Wiggles, please show me where I "make multiple aggressive moves towards people before settling on hiro." Your whole little case against me is essentially a rehash of what hiro wrote. It was bad when hiro wrote it and it's bad now. Still, I don't think Wiggles is the best lynch for today. The case against Wiggles started when sandroba decided to start playing the game. Palmar jumped on board and those two got things started. Now the case isn't completely baseless. I've seen Wiggles play third party and scum and his current play does smell suspiciously like that. However I'd rather lynch hiro, who's scummy behavior has only increased since last time I brought him up. Notice that since the case against Wiggles was brought up, hiro has posted ZERO times. This is a huge scumtell in that once the pressure's off he goes back to lurking. A townie would still be contributing, however a mafia would want to get out of the discussion as soon as the pressure is off. I went to sleep then woke up and went to school. When I got out of class I made the next post. My posts before that were arguing with hiro. My posts since coming back have been calling for hiro's lynch. I really have no idea where this concept that somehow I'm not pushing for hiro's lynch came from. I've been probably the most vocal person against hiro. Please read the thread better. Also, after getting those posts together of me "going after people" you realized that all I was doing was calling for activity so you punted on that with this little gem: "Part of what to look at is not just that you're calling people out, but how you're doing it. It's not just saying that someone's inactive or that you think they're scummy, but taking a threatening tone towards them that makes it aggressive." threatening tone? Really? You just realized that you're wrong and that I actually wasn't wildly casting around like you made it sound so you punted. Oh and everyone should be voting hiro, apparently I haven't made it apparent enough that he needs to die. If you need reasons please reread pages 6-8. A no lynch would be bad when we have an obvious scum. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On November 17 2011 08:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Sure thing. I'll leave out the hiro stuff though, because that's apparent. + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2011 10:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Guys guys guys. Did I really just read palmar call for a lynch of a player who hasn't posted in the thread? And even worse, people are listening to him? -_- Are we stll pregame trolling? Call out Palmar On November 16 2011 04:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I guess this will be one of Palmar's off games then. Anyway, I'd feel good about lynching Wiggles right now. While it's true that the game has been slow there's still stuff to talk about. Wiggles decided to ignore the whole Palmar thing and told everyone to sit back and talk about completely irelevant things for no appparent purpose. Also I'd feel grand lynching hiro. This post is so unbelievable worthless that my mind has a hard time comprehending it. This is like a textbook example of contributing without contributing and fluff posting. The part in red had me laughing it was so hypocritical. Call out Palmar again. Threaten me with a lynch, and act aggressively towards Hiro some more. On November 16 2011 05:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Also WBG, it's time to show your ugly mug in here. Call out WBG. On November 16 2011 06:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: ...lol What you said had no value. I'll just let you know that. Scum like to say things that have no content because it doesn't force them to defend themselves. I'll let you know that as well. Calling you out on bullshit isn't scummy. Nice FoS bro, the heat getting to you already? @Mr. Wiggles and Palmar: I know you both are active on TL right now, get in here and post. Call out me and Palmar again. Part of what to look at is not just that you're calling people out, but how you're doing it. It's not just saying that someone's inactive or that you think they're scummy, but taking a threatening tone towards them that makes it aggressive. I'm guessing this is what you're referring to when you say "Hiro's case" against you: Hiro calls you out here for what he perceives as promoting " pointless tunneling and reckless arguing and spam, resulting in a mislynch and bad reads", and that's basically the thesis of his argument against you. So, thanks for trying to misrepresent my argument which doesn't resemble what Hiro said at all; it just helps cement my read on you. I never said that you were scummy for acting aggressively like Hiro did, I said that you're scummy for how you acted after you were aggressive. Instead of continuing to aggressively pursue a lynch in the same way that you were calling out other players, you completely disappeared. This is scum calling out a bunch of people and making an early vote to look like he's contributing before dropping into the background. I would hardly calling for activity calling some one out. Its funny that you say your self say[QUOTE]On November 16 2011 10:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote: The "let's lynch random player X" train wasn't exactly full of content when it was completely off-hand and based on nothing. and when meapak was talkign to palmar about lynching WBG about how he though it was trolling you call that calling out or aggressive i think meapak saw a lead on hiro and pursued it | ||
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hiro protagonist
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This is his first game relevint post: On November 16 2011 04:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I guess this will be one of Palmar's off games then. Anyway, I'd feel good about lynching Wiggles right now. While it's true that the game has been slow there's still stuff to talk about. Wiggles decided to ignore the whole Palmar thing and told everyone to sit back and talk about completely irelevant things for no appparent purpose. Also I'd feel grand lynching hiro. This post is so unbelievable worthless that my mind has a hard time comprehending it. This is like a textbook example of contributing without contributing and fluff posting. The part in red had me laughing it was so hypocritical. Solid in calling out people. aggresive. I make a point that my post was not worthless, arguing that posting it early in the day and when most people had not posted much the reason that it had worth. To "set the tone" i said. Meapak disagrees and we argue some back and forth when he responds to something I said with this: On November 16 2011 07:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: wow... just wow. This is the worst logic fail I've ever seen. I said your post was worthless because, news flash, it was. Me saying that your post is worthless =/= me promoting spam and tunneling and whatnot. Just because I said you're fluff posting doesn't mean I support "pro mafia ideas." Congrats on becoming a better lynch targer then Mr. Wiggles. His logic his correct and I have to admit that my logic is weak, as well as hypocritical. something that WBG will later bring up. he then disperse's for awhile comes back with this: On November 17 2011 06:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: So Wiggles, please show me where I "make multiple aggressive moves towards people before settling on hiro." Your whole little case against me is essentially a rehash of what hiro wrote. It was bad when hiro wrote it and it's bad now. Still, I don't think Wiggles is the best lynch for today. The case against Wiggles started when sandroba decided to start playing the game. Palmar jumped on board and those two got things started. Now the case isn't completely baseless. I've seen Wiggles play third party and scum and his current play does smell suspiciously like that. However I'd rather lynch hiro, who's scummy behavior has only increased since last time I brought him up. Notice that since the case against Wiggles was brought up, hiro has posted ZERO times. This is a huge scumtell in that once the pressure's off he goes back to lurking. A townie would still be contributing, however a mafia would want to get out of the discussion as soon as the pressure is off. no changing his mind. My conclusion is that he is actively pushing a lynch based on solid logic. also comments about a few others like wiggles, Erandorr, giving his opinion on them. Giving him a second look, I less inclined to think he is scum, but will be watching him as the days go on. now, on to wiggles: so, other than his "throw out a lure" first post he has only posted twice. spolierd for length + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2011 10:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I wasn't active. I'm home now, and before that I was just on at school for a half hour at lunch, so I posted something in hopes of there being discussion when I came home, discussion which up until a little while ago has been largely absent. The "let's lynch random player X" train wasn't exactly full of content when it was completely off-hand and based on nothing. Until recently, no one has really produced any actual content, in my eyes. We had 4 pages which were basically Palmar asking to lynch WBG before he'd even posted and then for RNGing the lynch and people telling him no. Neither of those even needed a response, they were just bad ideas with no discussion value besides giving people something to bash on. It's like when someone comes up with a bad plan for town and we spend 10 pages attacking it. Everyone can do it and it doesn't produce real content. Basically, I wanted something to read (which I got), and my post drew out a few reactions which I liked. Erandorr: He's trying hard to be GMarshal. He wants to lead the town along with generic advice and constant appeals to do what's best for town (activity, etc.). This can be seen by the quick reaction to my post, pointing out that it was useless and wouldn't generate good discussion. This is good in and of itself, but he's someone who has to be watched to see if he actually starts to give concrete information on other players in the game, or just continues to act as the "advising townie". Basically, whether he keeps up with the generic advice or starts to contribute concrete and strong analysis. Meapak_Ziphh: Here's our aggressive player. He jumped on my post a lot more forcefully than Erandorr did, before quickly moving on to Palmar, WBG, and then finally Hiro. I'm interested in seeing how he plays after Day 1, because right now he's just cycling through targets, and that could either be him as a townie trying to pressure and find scum, or as scum trying to elicit a response from a skittish townie or blue and take us to a mislynch. He needs to be watched for how he forms his analysis and what the content of it is. jaybrundage: Right now, he's being a sheep. That's either due to the fact that he's new, or because he's trying to blend in. He got called out early, and after that he's just sort of been going along with majority opinion. Case in point: Something to be aware of as we approach LYLO. Wherebugsgo: This is interesting, because he comes in rather later than everyone else and puts effort into attacking my post after most people had left it. It's a case of people jumping on a bad post and repeating what had already been said, because bashing something bad is easy and gets you brownie-points from town. It was mostly left alone until he brought it up again, so I'm curious as to why he did so. He didn't contribute anything that hadn't been said already, so what's the motivation? I mostly see bad players and scum do this, and I don't consider WBG to be a bad player. So, my post got me some information that I consider valuable and more information on certain players than the rest of the thread did before that (besides maybe Hiro). Too bad no one was really dumb and actually responded to my question though, because most townies here are smart enough to know not to and it would have been an easy scum-tell. Now one thing has caught my eye, and thats the following: first in his post he talks about Meapak: Meapak_Ziphh: Here's our aggressive player. He jumped on my post a lot more forcefully than Erandorr did, before quickly moving on to Palmar, WBG, and then finally Hiro. I'm interested in seeing how he plays after Day 1, because right now he's just cycling through targets, and that could either be him as a townie trying to pressure and find scum, or as scum trying to elicit a response from a skittish townie or blue and take us to a mislynch. He needs to be watched for how he forms his analysis and what the content of it is. Remember this bolded part. So when there is some heat on, says this: On November 17 2011 00:52 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Meapak_Ziphh on the other hand, has shown that he's definitely scummy. He was trying to play the hyper-aggressive townie, but he hasn't played his role quite well enough. Notice that he makes aggressive moves towards multiple players in a short period of time, before settling on hiro. This is enough to establish himself as "scumhunting", but then he never follows up. There's barely any additional pressure on hiro after his vote, he doesn't try to convince anyone else in the town to vote for hiro, he doesn't respond to what I said about him, and he basically disappears from the thread. This is incredibly scummy, and contrary to everything a townie should be doing after early aggression. ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh So instead of "watching for how he forms his analysis and what the content of it is" he votes on Meapak for disappearing . thats a bit of a jump from "watch this guys post" to "He is scum". the other thing that has bothered me about Wiggles is that he makes no mention of me at all, when the rest of town has put up there thoughts on me. Why leave me out wiggles when I was looking very scummy? So based on what others have said, as well as my own reads, I am be OK with lynching Wiggles. All the rest: I have a funny feeling about Prphz, and I would be OK with lynching him. WBG is slightly more readable and reasonable so far this game, which in its self makes me feel funny but I cant deny his actions have been protown so far. Ill need more time to read over Sand and Palmar  Ill be around till slightly before lynch | ||
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hiro protagonist
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jaybrundage
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
On November 17 2011 09:00 jaybrundage wrote: Im curious how do i see peoples timestamps when they post with out quoting them its seems helpful Hit the 'Quote' button on the top right hand corner of there post, then copy/paste into your reply. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
Jaybrundage is looking real scummy to me and voting wiggles too. =/ | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
Next, Hiro, I did wait for MZ to post, and he didn't. There was no content, because he didn't form subsequent analysis, and instead started laying low. I was going to watch if he was going to actually push your lynch, or just keep pushing a bunch of other people. Instead, he disappeared which was scummy as well. He's still barely pushing you, even though he's saying he wants to lynch you. He's not doing anything to actually convince the town to vote for you, he's just saying "Go back and read", and that we should all change our votes. It's weak. You guys are going to end up mislynching me for nothing I can try to convince you against when there's a highly likely scum candidate standing right in front of us who I found through actually looking at his behaviour. Unbelievable. =/ | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 17 2011 02:11 Palmar wrote: I have three questions, and hopefully you will be able to provide a good and detailed answer to each one. a) What do you think of Wiggles, do you agree he is a good lynch for today? b) What do you think of Meapak, he has very conflicting opinions about him. c) Do you still think Hiro is the best lynch we have today? a.) Yeah I think he's a fine lynch. Like I said earlier, his first post was useless and I don't really agree with his case on Meapak. Erandorr too, but surprisingly some of Wiggles's points are valid, which gives me pause. b) I lean town on Meapak. There isn't anything concrete and I admit there is no real objective reason to believe Meapak is town, but for me I think his behavior has made much more sense from a town perspective than a scum one. He's taken a lot of attention in the thread and he isn't afraid of reiterating his case on hiro repeatedly. I've only played with Meapak once and that was in PYP, which was a PM game, so other than the information we have here there really isn't anything to go on. And by "he has very conflicting opinions on him" do you mean wiggles? c) To be honest with you, I don't know. They're both good lynches. On the one hand, hiro has done nothing pro-town. On the other hand, he doesn't do anything as town either. The thing that is giving me most pause is that both you and sandro think he is town. I made the mistake in PYP of believing the town circle about Foolish, and I'm afraid to do that again here. And again, the other side to this is that I believe other townies for good reasons; I'm not always right and I'm not the best at telling apart bad townies from actual scum. Sandro, for example, is probably much better (IMO) at telling apart bad townies from scum than I am. Of course, if he's scum in this game then this whole argument is worthless and I'm an idiot. For now I'm wary of how easy hiro is getting off from this lynch, and my gut takes preference. My vote stays on hiro. I have a question for you though, Palmar. Do you find it weird, like I do, that neither of these targets has really been defended at all? Other than Erandorr doing some weird shit with my case on hiro and you and sandro thinking hiro is townish there has been no backlash over either of them. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 17 2011 09:13 sandroba wrote: Fuck man, there is not much argument against lynching wiggles. No one is really pushing a second candidate (MZ is pushing hiro, but not too strongly, I would expect him to put a lot more effort into it if he was mafia with wiggles). Jaybrundage is looking real scummy to me and voting wiggles too. =/ damn sandro ninja | ||
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hiro protagonist
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