Team Melee Mini Mafia - Couples Therapy - Page 2

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

November 03 2011 00:22 GMT

#223

On November 03 2011 09:19 kitaman27 wrote:
Also, we've all read our role pms. New discussion topic please.

thats easy to say what u want to talk about then if not about hyshes who talks about bad plans that can not be implemented anyway just to appear to be clever

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

November 03 2011 00:43 GMT

#234

On November 03 2011 09:40 redFF wrote:
the only combination of 2 good players is

3. Radfield & wherebugsgo

and ME AND KITA OF COURSE

Any combination of bad players?

Also, here's the punctuation that I've been forgetting in my first couple of posts, insert at your own discretion: .-. .- .-. .. - -.-- | .. ... | -... . ... - | .--. --- -. -.--

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

November 03 2011 01:02 GMT

#243

On November 03 2011 09:56 GMarshal wrote:

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Filter him. His grammar and spelling is annoying and he's pushing nonesense that doesn't further finding scum.

I really thought that using bad grammar and no punctuation and saying "u" instead of "you" for a while would trigger someone to go for me just because it ticked them off. I kinda stopped when kitaman27 asked me to because I thought that a couple of pages would be enough. So what kind of nonsense am I pushing that doesn't further finding scum? I thought hyshes' statement was pretty weird and I pursued that, as did some other people so there must have been something to it. You have posted a great big picture and then said that lurkers aren't too cool. Then you want to "sit back until later when we can talk about power roles". Well I guess what I think about that should be obvious to most people.

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

November 03 2011 01:05 GMT

#245

On November 03 2011 10:00 redFF wrote:

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where is the lol coming from, do you agree with my assessment?

Erandorr is not in this game. He just thinks it is funny what you said. I agree with this assessment.

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

November 03 2011 10:04 GMT

#267

On November 03 2011 11:42 chaoser wrote:

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I didn't know you cared so much about what I have to say.

I'm in this game on more of an advisory capacity much like how some players/teams were like in RoL's team mini game (I also mainly advised that game).

Plans are useless this game. What's the point of a plan? Playing a dry cut and orderly game of mafia with analysis and logic should be enough. If you guys really are going to jump on a dude who posted a horrible plan outright and say he's mafia then I gotta shake my head at that. Mafia don't post a bad plan that's going to bring a lot of attention to them; mafia's not going to attention whore. Townies more often than not do that to either draw out mafia trying to seem "pro-town" (see wherebugsgo with his give me the ring plan in LoTR) or they're just really bad at making/thinking up plans lol. Mafia like to seem pro-town and post things that either agree with what everyone else is saying or lurks. Or they post genuinely good ideas that they feel don't really put them at a disadvantage. (sandroba in PYPI)

RebirthOfLegend's team mini game was an entirely different game where the setup itself made mentor/newbie teams. You lurked hardcore through that game and ended up getting lynched as DT, leading to a perfect mafia victory.

I don't get why you are trying to shut discussion down. Nobody is lynching hyshes yet, but his plan did look like it was conceived by a mafia mind. Then you bring out an explanation about why plans are usually posted in the thread, covering a lot of scenarios that clearly do not apply, and missing the scenario that did apply. hyshes didn't try to draw out mafia by intentionally posting a bad plan and I don't think that hyshes seems like he is bad at thinking up plans. hyshes made his post, knowing that the plan could not be implemented just to appear clever. Mafia will have an interest in appearing to be good or potentially good for town, without actually contributing. This is what hyshes did and this is a scenario that your sharp mind did not cover in your plan analysis for some reason.

On November 03 2011 12:00 chaoser wrote:

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I really hope you're kidding about this. I'm 100% serious about my point. Are we really going to try to exploit every single mechanic in place in a game to try to avoid the actual point of a mafia game which is to analyze and use scum hunting skills? Not to mention this doesn't even work. Look at Kita escaping lynch for a hilarious amount of days because of his "PM convo" with Radfield. It took me two days of setup to finally convince people that he was mafia and should be voted for.

Coming back to RebirthOfLegend's team mini game, in that game you were DT and you checked inactives, because then scum would be forced to be active and active scum is scum that cannot hide. I see your concerns about people trying to confirm themselves 100% by just posting a falsifiable quicktopic. But this is more activity that mafia will have to do, and this will give town more content to analyse and bigger chance for scum to do something unfortunate. I see your concerns about using mechanics instead of analysis, this is not how it should be done, but forcing scum to do extra work and increasing their chances of slipping, I think that's something chaoser from RebirthOfLegend's team mini game would have liked?

You still think that checking inactives is the best way to play as a DT? There's not going to be many inactives in this game I think, even though some teams have been weirdly silent, so should DT try to confirm some of the more active analyzers?

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

November 03 2011 10:11 GMT

#269

About the new rule: this is pretty cool but chaoser still has to answer for why he didn't want additional content put into the thread back when it was allowed. More content equals more material for analysis, it's not like more content equals autoconfirm.

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

November 03 2011 17:49 GMT

#287

Neither Forumite or I will be available for lynch deadline tomorrow, we will be off like 6 hours before deadline. This means that it would be sweet if all the lurking teams would start doing something a bit sooner than they maybe thought they would.

@sandroba, you promised some thoughts on the setup half way through the day, would be nice if you posted it soon.

@iGrok, you promised to blow everything open day1 or night1, I'd love if you did it tonight.

SS, CHEZINU, NIPPLE, and SWITZERLAND, you all need to start posting a more.

@supersoft

I have a lot of stuff with no content? Would you mind showing that to me? It seems like you're just repeating what a lot of other people have said and is trying to make friends. I know you tried to do this in PYP:I too with Erandorr, this is how you play as scum.

On November 03 2011 20:06 supersoft wrote:

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to be fair i dont think chaoser is lazy scum who doesnt want to fake logs. i think he wants to play mafia by analyzing and discussing instead of abusing the mechanics of an online mafiagame. he made that pretty clear.

chaoser disagrees with a plan that YOU proposed, I ask him why he doesn't want more content in the thread and then you start defending him saying that it is an abusive plan. I don't think you read the post that you quoted, because then you would see that I am agreeing on it being abusive, my point is that it is pro-town so why wouldn't he want to implement it? Let the host decide what's abusive and what isn't, until then we should take what we can get. It looks to me like you're trying to make friends.

On November 03 2011 23:20 supersoft wrote:

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yes okay. you're right in general. i was more focussed on this individial case with prplhz and i didnt get the feeling that he did that on purpose. that doesnt mean i think he's protown in general.

i am going to filter our viking team now and after that i'll reread chaosers partner hyshes. i wann compare his play in this game to his play in snmm. lets what we can get.

This is another instance of you trying to make friends and not reading the thread, this time with me. Before this post I had clearly stated that I derp'd on purpose, now you are saying that it doesn't look like I'm doing it on purpose.

It looks to me like you're not reading the thread, and that you're just trying to make friends with people. This is scummy, town doesn't want to make friends with anybody, they want to establish their innocence and you don't do that by going around being nice to everybody all the time. You accuse me of posting a lot of stuff with no content, would you care to point out where I did that? Would you care to point out where you posted anything that wasn't making friends or proposing plans that you don't even agree with yourself? And your "lynch wherebugsgo because he's not playing like he did in our last game" is pretty terrible, his play can change, look at how his play is now. Is it scummy? Then why do you want to lynch him?

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

November 03 2011 17:58 GMT

#290

@Kurumi

Is anybody scummy enough yet that we should be lynching today? Or is nobody scummy enough yet that we should not be lynching today?

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

November 03 2011 18:21 GMT

#294

@chaoser

He posted his motives.

On November 03 2011 09:06 hyshes wrote:

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On November 03 2011 09:01 prplhz wrote:

On November 03 2011 08:57 hyshes wrote:

On November 03 2011 08:48 wherebugsgo wrote:

On November 03 2011 08:41 GMarshal wrote:

On November 03 2011 08:39 prplhz wrote:

On November 03 2011 08:33 wherebugsgo wrote:

On November 03 2011 08:29 GMarshal wrote:

On November 03 2011 08:27 wherebugsgo wrote:

On November 03 2011 07:47 GMarshal wrote:
oh, wait, this is majority lynch. I knew I forgot to talk about something important.

For fucks sake, if you get someone to L-2 stop voting for him until the last 12 hours of the day, and give warning before hammering. Remember, more time is always good for town, and giving the lynchee time to dump information can only be good. Leaving the player at L-2 ensures we avoid any "accidental" lynches.

Lynch minus two is three votes.

Are you advocating that we just split the vote once someone reaches 3 votes?? I don't trust that this will be a great idea, particularly as people are often not available when you need them, and vote-splitting is great for scum. While we'd only need two more to lynch, that's not very comforting either.

In such a situation we'd basically need to last-minute voteswitch if we think that we have a townie at 3 votes. Otherwise, we take the risk of no-lynch.

Of course it opens us up to scum manipulation too. Scum can throw in a late vote "to stop a no-lynch" and then bam we lose a townie.

I meant two votes to lynch, so if a player needs 7 to lynch, stop at 5. This policy would only be in effect for the first 36 or so hours of each day, but from personal experience, nothing sucks more than lighting bandwagons ending the day 3 hours in because everyone agrees someone is "scummy" and then seeing them flip green.

GM are you not understanding what I'm saying?

A person gets lynched at 5 votes. Lynch minus 2 is 3 votes.

gm thinks this is a 12 player game hahahahahahaha

Oh, frag, I forgot its a 9 team game. Oops. In my mind the smallest game that exists has 11 players :-P

In that case I suppose I can live with leaving a player at L-1, but if anyone quickhammers I will rip them a new one.

...

I'm suspicious, but I'll let this slide for a sec because something bigger just appeared

On November 03 2011 08:42 hyshes wrote:

On November 03 2011 08:31 Forumite wrote:

On November 03 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote:
One thing that will be interesting this game will be analyzing the behavior of teams. do we judge the 2 players as a unit, looking for scum behavior in both? Or is one player acting scummy enough to vote.

Tricky... Two posters means twice the risk of mistakes, I would have liked to say that means it´s twice as easy to find scum, but Town make stupid scumslips too. I think we´ll have to take it on a case-by-case basis.

Actually the best way of playing this kind of mafia is splitting up your team. If only one of you knows your role, then only one can make mistakes. The only thing you need to do together is analysis of the other teams. To prevent any possible mistakes, must the one who knows the role only paraphrase what his teammate says. Ofcourse by the second night the one who knows should tell the one who don't (a few nights later depending on the size of the game). There is an obvious easy mistake to make here: the role should always be hidden, even it's town.

What in the eff

Pretending you don't know what your role is, is something that scum like to do. You're advocating people split their team up so your team makes less mistakes (townies should not be afraid of making mistakes, but scum should be).

Town don't strive to prevent all mistakes. Town strive to find scum. That's it. On the contrary, it's SCUM who strive to prevent mistakes. They don't want to be caught.

So...not only is your "plan" unworkable, the things you are suggesting we should do are what scum would do, not town.

##vote Team Edward

Ouch that came out wrong :p

Eventhough i still think this is the best way of playing team mafia, i'm not promoting it. Everyone read there msg, everyone knows there role so actually nobody can do what i've told. I was actually thinking this right when i subscribed for this game, thats why i asked if we made our teams ourself. I just didn't want to have someone else to profit from.

but u are promoting it you wrote it in the thread why do you post something if u are not promoting it do u feel like you have to put something in thread so u just put something you thought of before game in there and then you have a post?

actually i thought it would be received by cheers because of my insight in this team-game set up.. This is genuine the best way to play this kind of mafia.

He wanted to get hailed as a genius and receied by cheers by posting a plan that could not be implemented. Why would he do that? I think he's not that bad at making plans on a pretty shabby foundation, because I'm not good at making plans and because I think the plan was clever (I'd never think of half of everybody not looking at their PMs to ensure that people play like townies) even though it was not thought through or anything. Why would a townie try to post a non-committal plan, to have people consider him a good player and then just leave? Why would a townie post a bad plan to get people's reaction and then not follow up on it at all? He defended his plan and then he left. I'm curious about any follow up that might come from you or him.

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

November 03 2011 22:52 GMT

#339

Well I'm sold, I hope Forumite feels the same way 'cause:

##Unvote
##Vote Team SS

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

November 04 2011 00:30 GMT

#354

Hai deconduo. Die

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

November 04 2011 01:10 GMT

#363

On November 04 2011 09:49 deconduo wrote:

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At my first quick readthrough of the thread I got a bad vibe from you. All the posts I spotted were one-liner non-contributions that mostly amounted to spam. However upon closer inspection this post and this post were pretty good, so maybe you aren't mafia.

Apart from Sandroba, who do you think is scummy?

I don't like RebirthOfLegend and Kurumi. They have done absolutely nothing this game and then Kurumi shows up with a pro-mafia game and goes all Chezinu (am I using it right?). I mean there is nothing redeeming about that team, I have played with both of them before and they are capable of so much more.

Apart from Sandroba, who do you think is scummy?

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

November 04 2011 11:12 GMT

#380

You still posted that horrible plan. RebirthOfLegend contributed absolutely nothing to this game. He came up with your team name that's what he did. Jesus you guys are worthless if any of you can come up with a single reason why you shouldn't get lynched I'd love to hear that.