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On November 07 2011 09:23 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
No lynch is amazing for scum day one, deprives town of almost all information, check out the team melee mini mafia and note that they all agree that they must lynch day 1, and the setup isn't too different.
That's also an awesome answer to all those who tend to say I'm inconsistent. I just said the very same thing all time on day1. Go ahead and look it up. I was the guy saying that nolynch is the worst possible thing for townie on day1 (except for a 100% townie kill but since I only know my own 'status" for 100% that's never going to happen) and I kept telling you guys that we desperatly needed a lynch. So yes, I changed my votes from time to times (also check other games, that's actually not uncommon at all...) to ensure us a vote from my part on both days: Day 1 Skrammen and day2 hyshes once he went emo.
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I would be willing to swap to skrammen or choc. Skrammen looks about equally scummy as drem however if he DOES flip green I'm scared that people think I have to be red which is the reason behind my vote on drem over skrammen :p
I still don't know what to say about choc and honestly I'm not sure if he's going to survive this day because he might be modkilled. But I need to know it right now (that's 0-15 minutes I'd say?) because I have to wake up in 7 hours again and I can't stay up much longer.
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so we basicly got skrammen drem and me who are willign to change to choc, although I'm just guessing drem's up for changing his vote because he hasn't answered that question yet. I don't think if that really is something awesome to be fair because I'd say 2 out of us are mafia right now (just a gut feeling) :p
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Summary:
xsksc is willing to vote for either drem, skrammen or choc (if he has to)
Toad is willing to vote for skrammen, drem or choc
Skrammen is willing to vote for drem, choc or Toad
Harb is willing to vote for drem, choc, Skrammen
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Actually I'm waiting for harb to make that start. As mentioned I guess someone in here is mafia and I don't know for certain which of us is that one guy. Since I'm quite sure harbs town I'd rather follow his vote than someone who's on that list as well although I can understand that skrammen is trying to get himself saved right now.
If there's no post from harb until 10:10 TL.net time I'm going to vote for whoever got the most because again, I have to wake up in 6 hours and a half and usually should be asleep at this point in time mondays.
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On November 07 2011 10:07 IMABUNNEH wrote:
Bunneh will vote for Toad or SKrammen. It's on Toad atm.
Ok that made the deal for me altough you changed it later on :p
##Unvote Drem903
##Vote Chocolate
A question for our lovely host: Is it possible to "attach" my vote on harbs vote? I really have to go to sleep now... Is it possible to tell you just to vote for whoever harbs voting? I'm willing to vote for everyone out of those 3 (drem, choc, skrammen) and would it be possible to count my vote as whatever he voted? :p Don't want to ruin this because of time barriers 
That would be the most awesome thing ever. If he votes for someone else (like me for some reason...) I obviously have to stick with my normal vote. If that's not possible (don't think you're willing to do that but I have to ask^^) just stick with what I voted
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crap
But okay that's my last post for today, I'm offline now really have to go. I think harbs fine with a vote on choc since he asked for him first and I am still kind of scared to vote for skrammen. So I won't be able to change my vote anymore guys! Make sure you get this vote and see you tomorrow!
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ok those are the results before people switched:
On November 07 2011 10:18 kitaman27 wrote:
Day 3 Update
Toadesstern
sermokala
IMABUNNEH
Chocolate
Skrammen
Drem903
Drem903
xsksc
Toadesstern
Zanfada
HarbingerOfDoom
Skrammen
Toadesstern
xsksc
HarbingerOfDoom
You have less than 2 hours remaining.
I'm going to say that out if those 5 on me it's probably 3 mafias. Ciry is the only one missing in that list which could be interpreted as a scummy trying to figure out if it's safte to vote for whoever they voted. However given our situation the same could go for a townie as well right now. I'm mentioning it right now so that people ignore it because I don't think we got time left for shenanigans like that.
That leaves us with a list of sermokala, IMABUNNEH, Chocolate, Skrammen, Drem903. Choc turned out to be green so it's 4 people left and imo 3 of them are mafia. We just should have lynched skrammen on day1 guys... or drem on day2... or drem on day3...
Let's look at their voting history:
hackle/sermokala: Day1 on Toad, Day2 on nobody , Day3 on Toad
Bunneh: Day1 on Toad, Day2 on hyshes , Day3 on Choc
Skrammen: Day1 on Choc, Day2 on hyshes , Day3 on Choc
Drem: Day1 on Zanfa, Day2 on hyshes , Day3 on Choc.
I'm leaning towards skrammen, drem, hackle/sermokala with bunneh on a 4th place as he was unsure if we should lynch choc. Skrammen the first guy who switched votes although I can't judge him for trying to safe himself and drem's just as fishy as always. Those are my thoughts right now.
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Crap we really screwed this lynch... As I mentioned those 4 above and what they've been voting I just realised choc was voting skrammen on day1... That could have been an easy town tell but we had so little time left
Right now I really don't care much about what people are suggestion that actually are on those scummy-lists. Right now I'd be willing to vote for hackle/sermo (that is tomorrow) and I'm going to be honest here: There needs to be a wonder to make me lynch someone else. If we lynch someone who actually is townie we're dead. However, every single scumlist I could imagine right now involves him I guess. Everyone else could be a strange set-up like cyri just said. Think about drem and think about skrammen. Those 2 are probably the next two for everyone here which would make a list out of hackle+drem+skrammen but as mentioned: it could be a weird set-up. I am still scared that skrammen might end up flipping green. I'm not as concerned about drem but I'm definatly even less concerned about hackle/sermo.
The moment he flips red I'm willing to discuss what that means for us going through his history, taking a look at what he posted about those other 3 or 4 people who are suspicious right now.
I still think we got a decent chance. Yes it is lylo if our medic isn't able to get a safe but if we manage to get a red tomorrow I think we got a pretty decent idea on who actually is mafia. If hackle/sermo flips red I think we won't have a problem lynching a second mafia at all out of a possible analysis (same would be for every mafia we lynch tomorrow).
So it's all about that one lynch right now.
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sounds like frustration
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yeah, saw that one comming for the same reason as harb and ciry already pointed out
GL townies, you still got a decent chance 
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On November 13 2011 13:29 Ciryandor wrote:
GG (can't re anymore :p) I'm surprised nobody doubted me when I was scrambling all over on the last two days.
kind of. I was thinking about you earlier and asked you out really short that I don't like it and I didn't like your analyses at all which got me thinking but at that point in time I told you that I don't like it and completly ignored it because I thought if you really are mafia this is already gg. No way I could have made people lynch you ;D
And I didn't really follow those last 2 days so I don't know about that sry.
So the only one I thought was mafia and turned out to be right was bunneh I guess. xsk... whatevs was my number #5 (think it was drem-hackle-skrammen-bunneh-xsk? and switched skrammen with bunneh)
But yeah great game by mafia. First 3 days really screwed us.
Edit: Game is over, I am allowed to edit now right? If not really really sorry but I don't see a reason for why I should not do so.
Kita said in our observer-qt that he wanted to point out that he didn't like me talking about so many possibilities like I could be mafia (don't think he did yet, at least I haven't seen it) and just to explain it:
After hyshes died I send curu a depressed pm asking for what I should look because frankly, if what hyshes wasn't a scummy move I didn't know by what standards I should search for scummy moves (even if I got the same chance again, with a little magical fairy called kita telling me for some reason hyshes is 90% townie 10%mafia and those numbers were granted I still would not hesitate to do the exact same thing again to be honest).
He replied that I should look at what people post and especially have a look at what they don't post. So I figured I'm better off explaining why me being mafia is bullshit :p
Also, that's the reason I didn't like cyris analyses to begin with.
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On November 14 2011 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
Good scum often don't follow known patterns, but not very many people on TL make good scum, so it's good to know. Things worked in this game for scum, IMO, because town didn't know what to look for, town didn't read, and town was inactive. In such situations scum can do whatever they want because they are never under any serious threat.
Yeah as mentioned, after hyshes flipped green I really was shocked and I don't think I was the only one. I didn't know what to look for anymore and hod wasn't exactly motivated himself while the rest of our group was a little active but noone took over
Edit: Also get TL Mafia XLVI started guys
Edit2: On November 14 2011 14:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
Then I almost died laughing on day 3 or whenever it was where you just utterly destroyed the thread with 10 massive posts in a row that just focused post by post on almost everyone in the game. That was so incredibly distracting, I give you props for that. You basically lured the rest of the townies into believing you were innocent on the sheer amount of effort you put into writing that. I mean come on, what scum would do that, right?
If they actually had the will to read about 1 or 2 of those post by post series they would see that most it was a gigantic mass of fluff. What on earth is the purpose of copying everyone's filter and then putting your own play-by-play to it, as town? It's a huge distraction; town wants relevant information to find scum, not fluff on everyone who is left alive. In future games, you should keep this in mind; if you do something like that you'll probably still dupe bad townies, but good ones will know that you're basically just destroying the thread.
I DID read 3 or 4 of them and what you said is just exactly what I thought. It's a shitload of text and yeah, he put a lot effort in it but there was just nothing special. A list of everything a person posted (that is everything interesting in cyris opinion) and that's about it. No actual analysis, just that huge wall of text, no conclusions (well a bunch, but no "big" conclusion to finish it or whatever).
That's why I thought building a case on one or maybe two people is way better and kept it that way to finish it off with a nice concluion but the way cyri did it was just way too much :D
The ratio of information per post was just incredible off. No way someone could have possible got all this stuff in his brain to make decicion based on ALL this afterwards. Got me thinking but again, at that point I thought it's either cyri=blue+skrammen=red or skrammen=blue+cyri=red and lynching cyri or even pressuring cyri wasn't an option for me (I thought) since attacking someone who's pretty much confirmed townie by most people isn't a usefull talent toi have for a guy who just ninja-dodged a lynch. The ironie behind all this: I think I was the guy who started that green read on cyri saying on day1 it totally looks like what cyri did last game and he's helping town day1. Day2 and Day3 he was falling in my lists but noone said a thing
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yeah saw it yesterday and wanted to /in but it was already full Would have loved to play a normal minie, except for the part that it's only 9 instead of 12 I guess.
Next game will be a normal ( = big) game for me. Hopefully it'll start soon and I really have to post less in mafia games or I'll have a hard time once I AM mafia :p
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On November 15 2011 05:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
Why is posting less necessary?
I figured I was posting a bit too much the moment I read that wall of text from cyri :p
Should have sticked to more concentrated information instead of those wall of texts
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