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On October 30 2011 22:48 risk.nuke wrote: Avenge the ponies!! and GM :| Okey. Gentlemen, I know what we're dealing with and it's a creature of pure evil. However my #1 got noobed in his face by rampaging xeno basterds so I were out of suspects. Unless... ...Gentlemen, who do we know that obviously hate mafia and ponies sunshine and top of it won't give us handsome lads a sidebar. That's right. Hotbid. ![[image loading]](http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9141/hotbid2.png) Hotbid must have gotten wind of tlmafia recruiting, knowing he can't exert his evil powers without risking the attention of the others he dared not make an appearence himself. Instead he used his wicked influence and stunning looks to corrupt three promising young initiates. Hotbids scheme must be stopped and his mislead rookies caught. No matter the cost. ...the future of TL Mafia depends on it. I don't like those kind of posts. Yeah it's meant to be funny (I guess) but we want to get something done. That kind of posts are not helpfull at all because it's makeing it easy for mafia to hide within spam. Not a big deal, but that happens a lot in your posts. + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2011 22:51 risk.nuke wrote: You seem awefully keen to make our dt and medic reveal themselves. Are you in bed with Hotbid? Okay it's a question but at that point in time I could not believe someone could misinterprete my statement the way you did. Once I read that I basicly sat there thinking "wtf, I'm not telling blues to reveal themselves, are you kidding me?". Could be intentional to get me talking but I thought it's bullshit and it's again half a spam. + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2011 00:47 risk.nuke wrote: I see, but that is unrelated hence your paranoia defense isn't very convincing.. You were just hinting dts and medics to reveal themselves. That is scummy. Since you made two "joke-posts" I thougt I'm going to answer as a joke as well because I still could not believe you really interpreted my post the way you did and thought you're kidding me. So you doing jokes is fine but I'm doing joke is not? Guess that was a misunderstanding, but still, it adds up. + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2011 01:27 risk.nuke wrote: Getting in peoples faces is precisly what we want. How else do you expect to catch scum? + On October 31 2011 01:42 risk.nuke wrote: Even if that was what you thought, why were you so quick to tell everyone what you thought toad ment. He wasn't about to get lynched.. If that's what he thought when he wrote it he wouldn't had have any problems telling us that himself, if he's scum he might had given a scumslip. FOS That's what I said earlier. Yeah you want people to get talking. Fosing around like a mad man however sounds like a mafia trying to make a case out of nothing to get people on someone instead of them + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2011 04:13 risk.nuke wrote: Apologies, I have been hardlurking all day, not by intent I didn't find time to read and analyse untill now. I don't know, I'm criticising you for not showing up all along. I expected more of an answer. A simple "hey sorry, had to work / had to look after my kids / had to learn for university" would have worked for me. I asked you multiple times to get a bit specific and tell us why you're lurking, you never answered. I know it private but unless it's something strange or emotional I think telling us is np. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2011 04:30 risk.nuke wrote: Everyone respond to everything somebody throws against you. Even small stuff. I know it can be done to get by for a while ignoring minor suspicions because "oh look, they dropped me" or "it doesn't seem important". However for everything you do respond to it gives town more information. There are a few more hours left so if you can ditch in a few last efforts. Toad, your play is inconsistant and all over the place. I can't tell if you're scum or just new. It's as if you're going for a town powerposition but you don't really know how to achieve it. I really don't like you're jumping on skrammen rather then defending yourself. ##Vote Toadesstern "Everyone respond to everything somebody throws against you. Even small stuff." Thats what you said, telling me (I guess?) I'm not open enough although I answered everything I was asked while you kept lurking and ignoring requests. I don't really like that. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2011 06:29 risk.nuke wrote: The reason I don't like the Skramen lynch is because nobody have tried to help him. Thats a pretty good indicator you're lynching a townie unless scum is throwing him under the bus. Remember scum likes to get onboard an easy wagon. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now, I am going to tell you how the Skrammen case started. Due to the massive amounts of texts and quotes in quotes I write in green and Ciryandor is underlined. This is not true, Skrammen haven't talked any less then several other people. Alot of text but contentwise it's an exaggeration to call this case weak. Bandwagon is forming up, and still there is nothing solid on Skrammen, and what the hell is the part where he admits he'd rather want to go for someone else but will settle for this guy whom we have nothing on. Why would a townie want to lynch a random person when the chances of catching a scum is 3/12. Lynching a town gives the dt less rounds to find scum. Again, no arguments to why we should lynch this guy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This case is a clear bandwagon based on little/nothing. Alot of people here are new which makes an unquestioned bandwagon all the more dangerous. Don't jump on something you don't feel strongly about yourself, otherwise we will be no match for the scum. But most interestingly, I feel the need to emphasize this again. Nobody is taking his side. Imo that's still a big lie or a big mistake. Already told you why I think so. (To sum it up: You ARE defending skrammen, everyone not voting for skrammen IS defending him because they're blocking the lynch, if you're attacking a mafia there will be people defending him, at least one buddy and yet you tell me that this looks strange?) + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2011 07:49 risk.nuke wrote: Toad. My point is you say you think he is scum 33-45 percent while at the same time avoiding providing any arguments as to why. Even in your response you fail to do so but instead tried to defuse it into a scenario where we are just OMGUS-ing eachother. You're making it sound as if I were your suspect all along but it's actually only since I voted for you. If he had thought I were scum he would had written what he had on me in the thread because thats what townies do. This is a scumslip. Look at this, I am now his main suspect for busting a bandwagon against someone he claimed to be 33-45% sure of. Note this: Hypotheticly If I were scum and Skrammen is town, would I halt the lynch? Ofcourse not. So logicly I could only be scum if Skrammen is scum, and thats disregarding the possibilty that I am town and wrong about him beeing town. And yet I am his top suspect. That does not add upp. it's not a scumslip. If I tell you the very moment I think you look strange (that was at the very beginng, based on stuff I just don't like, but those things could still be town) you would know I'm looking after your posts and therefore would take care of what you're saying. Also I answered your first paragraph and you completly ingored it ( I think). + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2011 09:32 risk.nuke wrote: But jesus christ I'm even off tracking myself, Why are you still blind and talking about Skrammen. Toadesstern have accidently done several scumslips, wake up! That's just weird. You're claiming I'm looking weird because I don't give explanation of what I'm doing? You're kidding me right? As mentioned, I DO explain whatever you want me to explain once you ask me, yet you come by posting a bunch of nothing, blaming me to have made couple scumslips without saying what those are, not even giving a single example. Yeah, totally what a townie would do "Let's lynch him! He's mafia because I know so!" | ||
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I just don't understand what risk did the last couple of days... again, he's telling me I'm only focussing on one guy (him) while completly ignoring everything else. The reason I did that (also, I did not do that, I still talked about other possibilites, see my big post abaut skrammen/me/zanfa/risk being mafia or not? Also I was defending myself and did not ignore someone blaming me just to go on and say "hey let's lynch risk") was because HE did it in the first place with me. That in combination with all that fuss he wrote made me think he's 100% sure scum. To answer Harbs posts I'm really not sure right now... I think mafia did us a great favor with lynching risk because that way we don't end up argueing who is mafia without getting someone killed. Right now we at least now he was green although I did not like what he did. I'm not even sure about skrammen anymore. If risk was town, risk REALLY thought skrammen is town. However risk ruined day1 with his vote on me. He has to know that a nolynch is the worst possible thing for town (except killing blues I guess) since it's leaving town completly in the dark and that is the very thing we want to change/avoid, yet he blocked the lynch, which just did not make sense at all. My list of mafias would have been: 1) Risk (I explained that enough I guess) 2) Probably drem + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2011 11:50 Drem903 wrote: What would scum gain from killing risk? Toad was the only person who ever really targeted Risk, but would he really (if Toad was mafia) target the person that only he had reason to target? That would make it really obvious that he was, in fact, scum. Something to consider is that Mafia may have killed Risk to try and reinforce the current FOS on Toad. I'm not sure if mafia would do such a thing. They HAVE to be aware of the fact that it does look like that. So my guess is they killed risk to make it look the way you said, obviously that's because I know I'm not mafia :p + he was one of the guys blocking a lynch on day1 who did not vote for men (he voted for zanfa, blocking a lynch, saying later on that was stupid and he did not do it for a reason). However, we know risk turned out to be green which changes a lot. You guys have to either lynch skrammen or me to get some information because you can' afford that one of us might be a mafia playing some tricks on you in this thread twisting the conversation the way he wants and makeing you get a nolynch again because everyone's uncertain. So no matter what, you need to get a lynch today. I'm just afraid both possible lynches could be a townie. Frankly what Skrammen answered did not seem to be mafia, except for the fact that it's very little. What he said was rightm although it was obvious but he did not try to make you think something weird with wrong logic. Maybe it really is skrammen, drem + either hyshes or bunneh or hackle but I don't think it's that easy (again, from my point of view!). If Skrammen turns out to be green we got to rethink about the wagon on day1. Ciry has been doing great the very first day and was definitly on my top5 (something like that) town list and he still is. However if skrammen really IS green that's not exactly a good sign for ciry and everyone else who voted for skrammen. If I flip green a couple of guys attacking me probably are red and we already know that that rule is flawed, since risk turned out to be green. Right now I'd say drem + one of the three above is mafia or skrammen + someone we don't have in mind right now. If I had to make a list right now with 3 names it would be drem, hackle, skrammen. Skrammen is kind of a protection move for me :p I think he's a coinflip at most for us. I said earlier he's a 30-40% scum for me (something along those lines) and what he said after that lynch attempt did not make it go higher. If I had to make a list of 3 townies I'd go for xsksc, Ciryandor, Zanfada I'm really having trouble here. xsksc because he admitted that he thinks I'm green somewhere the last couple of days. I think a mafia would have pushed for me. Same for ciry and zanfa, they both would have had an easy time screwing my game telling people "hey guys, we totally know Toad from the last game and this is nothing like the way he played last game. Last game he was a townie/blue => he probably is red". Those 3 are followed by a bunch of people who I think are town because they made some posts that made them look green (like your most recent harb) but I'm not entirely sure as at this point of the game with so much conspiracy going on it would be easy for mafia to look green. As a finishing line: We do need a lynch today, we can not let town be in the dark for another cycle without getting information who actually is fooling around with us, so make a lynch happen guys! | ||
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##Vote Drem903 Both hyshes and drem voted for zanfa which is just plain bullshit. I could have seen how people wanted to vote for me after I got a couple of votes but I can't see how you can leave your vote on zanfa knowing that it's helping mafia because we're getting a no-lynch. Hyshes however looks town from time to time while drem just got this stupid vote without explaining why he stayed with zanfa (same goes for hyshes) and nothing really that looks like town. If drem shows up and actually starts to talk I'm willing to reconsider my thoughts here. If you guys are going to lynch someone else who's on my top5 or 6 of my mafia list and are able to get a couple of votes on him I'm reconsidering it as well. | ||
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On November 02 2011 19:05 hyshes wrote: Erm i did explain why i voted for zanfa.. i needed a vote and wanted to be sure to not get modkilled.. and i missed the deadline because TL screwed up their [*time*] thing for europe... This mafia kill is actually very strange to me, i had a few scenarios in mind of who would be mafia if someone died.. but i never thought risk would be a target. oh ok, I thought you said you needed a vote to not get modkilled for the moment (way before deadline) and wanted to change it later on. | ||
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So your list of 3 people is supposed to tell us we're mafia or just suspicious?. All 3 mafia is nearly impossible, while suspicious sure is possible. Just ask yourself why should I vote for drem if both of us are mafia? Same goes for ciry. He was the guy he proposed voting for drem in the first place. Why should he do so if both are mafia? If ciry's mafia than drem's town and probably vice versa. Additionally I would not tell people that I think ciry is green because the very moment I would flip red you'd know ciry is probably red too. That's a very nooby mistake for mafia and it's easy as shit for town to look up what a confirmed mafia (because he was lynched and flipped red) said about other people in retroperspective. But yeah I'm all for a drem vote right now since I'm honestly considering skrammen to be town :p The problem with skrammen and me is, that convincing some or even a majority of town is not going to be enough. You either have to lynch us (or just one of us, if your first lynch got a mafia and you believe that only one of us can be red because both red is stupid) or make sure noone who truely is town votes for one of us. We need 6 people on a vote. If I'm able to convince let's say 2 more people and I still end up having 2 townies who vote for me we're going to have a no lynch almost certainly, because those 2 people kept voting for me. That's 2 people blocking a lynch from town + 3 mafias blocking a lynch from town = 5. We got 11 people alive and we need 6 people for a vote. So to get a lynch we would need EVERYBODY but those 2 guys + 3 mafias on the same guy. I don't think we're able to do so as the situation is way more complex than yesterday and we didn't even mangage to get a majority yesterday. If you guys are not able to get a majority either go for skrammen or me with everything you got (that is votes). Don't care what the results are, you could end up lynching a townie but you can't afford to not lynch someone and be uncertain of who is actually tricking you the whole game. | ||
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If you guys believe that I'm green you also believe that mafia wants to see me dead at some point in the game, obviously. Why waste a KP on me if they can just kill risken and that way maybe town is lynching me for even more reason. Worst case would be town gets it and noone lynches me, therefore only one guy killed with 1 KP. Best case would be 2 guys killed with one KP because Toad lynched me because of that risk kill. Nothing to lose for mafia here, but it's kind of obvious as long as you believe I am truely town. | ||
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Same with drems post. I thought we've already discussed his 3rd part. Also, I started doing these walls of text BECAUSE last time I made a small post a bunch of crazy people came allong telling me "hey you just told blues to reveil themselves" and I was sitting there thinking wtf is up with you. That's not what I said. So I made sure such a thing isn't happening again by clearifying every single fuck I posted. | ||
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On November 03 2011 03:31 Toadesstern wrote: yeah, glad I'm not the only guy who got that. I mentioned the same thing as harb about hyshes post earlier, too. I see why he is ignoring my point but ciry STARTING and PUSHING for drem just makes no sense if both are mafia while me being mafia or green isn't even important for that question. Same with drems post. I thought we've already discussed his 3rd part. Also, I started doing these walls of text BECAUSE last time I made a small post a bunch of crazy people came allong telling me "hey you just told blues to reveil themselves" and I was sitting there thinking wtf is up with you. That's not what I said. So I made sure such a thing isn't happening again by clearifying every single fuck I posted. | ||
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##Unvote Drem903 Explanation: What he said is basicly what he blames me to do. Doing a mistake although I said it never was a mistake it just wasn't meant to be interpreted that way (still can't believe how someone interpreted it that way...). So that looks scummy by his very own logic, HOWEVER if he truely would be scum, shouldn't he know how much mafias this game got?... I'm just confused right now and don't know who to vote for... | ||
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Not exactly the way I want it to be. | ||
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drem Lurking hardcore. That's the main reason here and I don't know why he is lurking so much, but other than that I got nothing on him. Yes he did a big mistake with that mafia numbers but the question really is if that was intentionally. I doubt it, since it's such a major mistake everyone should be able to see the second they read it. So I really think he did that mistake for some reason and it's nothing weird other than not knowing this fact. Also blocked a lynch on day1 with a useless vote (useless vote = vote for choc or zanfa imo) Skrammen I'm still not convinced of him to be mafia, however I don't like him not posting at all. He's completly ignoring this issue right now. I don't know what I'm supposed to think about him. If there's nothing comming the next couple hours I'm probably going to vote for him. Also blocked a lynch on day1. Not a useful talent toi have. hackleYet again another one of those "not-posting-guys". I don't like it and it looks strange to say the least. Still nothing certain. HyshesHe did some weird posts the last 2 pages, I already got a semi-fos on him a few pages before and changed my mind. This theses posts I'm considering him to be mafia again.. Also he blocked a lynch on day1 with a useless vote. bunneh That's his last post + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2011 21:51 IMABUNNEH wrote: I've just spent half my lunch hour catching up on this and reading through... I hope you're happy  That kill was.... unexpected. Reading back through his posts, Toad is the only person to REALLY benefit from it. I don't think Toad is that stupid, but do we have any scum around that are stupid enough to think that would work? It's such a BLATANT kill that it could mean almost anything with relation to Toads. I can't see it as unrelated though, so the options in my mind are: 1) Toads is scum. Risk was so vehement about it that killing him protects Toads, and nobody would really think Toads that dumb, so he could get away with it. 2) Someone else was trying to implicate Toads to get people off of them, which would make Skrammen scum most likely. Killing Toads would be too obvious perhaps, so framing Toads much better? 3) Risk only brought a case against ONE other person, which was against Harbinger. Perhaps killing someone not too obvious to keep people off himself. However every explanation both prior to Risk's death and since then seems to include Toad or Skrammen as being red as an option. If one is red the other is almost certainly green, but at this point it is just far too unlikely that neither of them are red. Once I'm home from work and not on lunchbreak I'll pull up Harbinger's post history as well, see what gems are hiding there, because of point 3, unless someone beats me to it. It's definately something worth looking into, especially as he was a part of the Skrammen "bandwagon". I know we have 48 hours, but I think initially at least we should put some focus on these guys. If we're so spread out like Day 1 we'll end up with a no-lynch, and I think I definately made a mistake not switching to Skrammen Day 1. Initially I was far more suspicious of Toads, but they're almost 50/50 now, and having the information from one of them would have made today a lot easier for us. I'd say it's either 2 of them + someone else who seems to be town or 3 of them if we're lucky. Also I think mafia spreaded votes a bit to not screw themselves for the chance of someone dieing. I'd say we got about one mafia voting for me, one mafia voting either for choc or zanfa and one more doing whatever he likes (if skrammen is green that 1 guy could vote for skrammen, he could also vote for me or choc/zanfa as well). I doubt we got all 3 mafias in one "place" considering votes. | ||
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HyshesHe did some weird posts the last 2 pages, I already got a semi-fos on him a few pages before and changed my mind. This theses posts I'm considering him to be mafia again.. Also he blocked a lynch on day1 with a useless vote. Actually I don't remember what I wanted to say with my second sentence and it's not making sense, guess I wanted to change this with these? :D I'd say it's something like: HyshesHe did some weird posts the last 2 pages, I already got a semi-fos on him a few pages before and changed my mind. Because of these posts I'm considering him to be mafia again.. Also he blocked a lynch on day1 with a useless vote. | ||
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On November 03 2011 07:16 hyshes wrote: Ask the host, i was around when the deadline happend. TL f*cked up the [*time*] thing after the hour shift of saturday Yeah and that's the reason why I changed my mind and started believing you. The thing that's weird right now still is this post: On November 03 2011 00:04 hyshes wrote: I jus reread the whole thread and i'm going to post a hard statement here. Ciryandor - Toadesstern - Drem903 These 3 are referring to each other all the time, without direct accusations. This leaves me to think that they don't want eachother lynched.. but wan to have a backup of posts that do kinda disconnect them. There is something really fishy between those 3. I'm willing to go on a vote on one of these three for sure. I still think it's wrong and so does harb. Probably a couple other guys too. I'm just not sure why you posted it :p | ||
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 Also my list was not sorted in any way. If I had to tell you 3 mafias right now it would probably be Skrammen, hackle and maybe bunneh or someone else. Those things against hyshes never were major points, except for that one last post. And yeah you're posts the last 2 pages got you fron #1 mafia to #4 or #5 right now :p | ||
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Skrammen: If you decide to lynch me anyway, and I do flip green, there's a good chance all of the scum will be among those who are most adamant about lynching me. If I flip red, then risk and bunneh got some 'splaining to do. It could be a weird set-up but given that we know risk it green I might be willing to believe bunneh is probably green too. There's two possible explanations for it imo: 1) Skrammen is red and trying to get us on two townies the moment he flips red. 2) Skrammen is green and just picked those two out of nowhere. I Have issues with his "picks" here. Why did he say bunneh and risk? Ciry was the guy who issued the skrammen lynch, someone (I don't know who right now) followed, and I was the third guy. Whats the reason for choosing bunneh and risken here? Why not go with ciry who issued the wagon or with me? I was having some votes at that time too and the moment skrammen flips green I'm in HUGE trouble here and if he truely is green, he got to know that. Right now I'm going to say hackle and skrammen are the two guys who are most likely mafia with a preference on hackle. But that's it for me today, got to wake up in 7 hours, I'm going to bed now. | ||
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On November 03 2011 07:57 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: @Toad, he said if he flips red risk and bunneh have issues. Not if he flips green. He said that because risk and bunneh defended him. oh yeah... should have went to bad instead of posting half asleep :p That was just bullshit coming out of me. Right now I'd still like to push for hackle the most. Drem and skrammen both are strange but I'm not sure about both right now. Drems mistake the other day is just so simple it got to be a real mistake rather than a scumslip. Also given he doesen't know how many mafias are in this game I'd sag he's not mafia. I still got a feeling skrammen might be green, I'm off to univerity now and will look this through later on. | ||
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