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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
On November 01 2011 07:27 IMABUNNEH wrote: Allow me. Or at least my view on it. I would say to those voting Skrammen, is inactivity the only reason? I'd have thought if he WAS scummy he'd have come out and said SOMETHING by now, rather than just toppling over without a fight. Even a new scum would try and do something to alleviate themselves wouldn't they? Voting the inactives isn't a bad choice for what was pointed out earlier (was it by Toads?), that at the very least if they AREN'T scum then they're not that helpful either. But I think the scum would have shown themselves by now. I also think the fact that he has the MOST votes is telling more of the voters than anything. Scum are more likely to team up votes right? So out of those of you who HAVE voted on him, Zanfa, Xsksc, Harbinger, Chocolate, Toad, Ciry... as I type this that's the first time I've counted  6 already?I agree we should lynch someone suspicious, but unless someone can give me a better reason than "he hasn't posted much", I can't agree to the Skrammen lynching. I still think Toad is an obvious read, though Zanfa has been awfully quiet since the blame shifted away from him. A question though: Harbinger's post history seems to be about 50% condemning Skrammen even before other people joined in, and he hasn't really relented or even looked much at anyone else. Why are you so focused on Skrammen? In that quote he is defending Skram and attacking Toad. Imo if we lynch Toad and he comes up town then I would think Skram and BUNNEH are scum, but if Toad comes up red then I think IMABUNNEH is town. I agree with the bolded point, Skram has been quiet and it has hurt his defense, If he is scum I would think his scum buddies would be pressuring him to make at least some defense of some sort. On November 04 2011 02:58 IMABUNNEH wrote: Sacrificing yourself just to show you're green doesn't seem like it helps the town all that much. The reason being, IF you were to flip up green, then it drops to a 7/3. The mafia then get to ping someone else (right?), making it 6/3. At 6/3 it's going to be a lot harder for us to get a solid lynch on a scum. If you throw yourself to the lions and turn out green, we're going to have real problems. If what you say is ACTUALLY true, don't sacrifice yourself, because in doing so you're basically sacrificing the town. This is why I think you MUST be red. You're right that you're not retarded, which is why the only possible option is that you're red. Also in your other posts you refused to defend yourself against "retarded" logic (think that's the right quote, or the gist of it). The posts made against you are pretty sound logically, and your attitude to the accusation is entirely illogical. This is BUNNEH trying to get more info out of hysh before he died, A town move imo. Personally I think Bunneh’s fate is tied to who we lynch today. He defended skram, voted for toad, so if skram is red bunny is red too, I think we need to lynch skram or toad today, we have been focused on them since day 1, it is day 3 now, we need to get it resolved if we are to move forward. | ||
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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
There doesn't seem to be support for the SK lynch right now but he is at the top of my scum list. So I am going to vote for drem. Drem doesn't seem to be trying to get info, most of his posts are fluff and semi emotional reactions to other things. Also during day Toad and Drem had an interaction which was fairly odd. Both of them voted for each other and a little while later just unvoted each other. Very odd behavior. I am not sure if it scum or not, it is just odd behavior. On November 05 2011 07:26 Zanfada wrote: People I like are mafia or seem scumish to me Toad – Every town that has died has problems him, it is hard to believe it is a coincidence. Defending the hyshes bandwagon Drem – for day 1 stupidness, but looking at his day 2 stuff I am getting more of a town vibe, still on my watch list though, the hysh bandwagon saved his life imo something to look into Skram – Still on my watch list from day one, he froze up under pressure on day 1 and night 1. He didn’t really start posting again till the hysh bandwagon ##Vote Drem903 | ||
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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
Mafia has been bitch slapping us around all game since our first day fail lynch. We need to move on. Going along with a lynch because we need info actually hurts us right now. Do not join a lynch unless you think that person is scum, it is way too easy for scum to join a bandwagon and say ‘I don’t agree 100% but we need info.’ So let’s look at everyone who voted for both. This is just about everyone. In fact it is everyone but me and Ciry. HoD Toad Xsksc Skram Drem IMABUNNEH The 2 major bandwagons at the time were for Toad and Drem. Which means at least 1 of them is mafia for sure. There is no reason for mafia to risk such a large vote movement without saving one of their own. Tomorrow we need to lynch one of those 2 so I am going to be focusing on them for now. If someone sees a flaw in my logic, point it out. Toad: Most of people disliked his first post telling blues to act like town and to not stand out. I never saw this as a scum hunting blues post like most others have. He has been posting a lot, in fact I think more than anyone else. As of right now I haven’t found any scum slips. There have been some filler posts but with so many posts it is somewhat of a null tell. Toad has constantly been receiving attention which leads me to believe he is either scum or scum believed him as an easy drama sponge to distract us. He had quite a few votes for him before both bandwagons. This is my major source of suspicion on him. It is not what he has done but the way the game has gone for him. Drem: He has constantly been making little fuck ups throughout this game. It has brought attention to himself and has cleared him in some instances. On November 07 2011 07:59 Toadesstern wrote: At that point in time I was very suspicious of drem and he suddenly said something along the lines "well and that makes is 6 townies vs 4 mafias which makes it even harder to get a majority". I figured a mafia would know how many mafias are in this game. However given what I posted today I think he might be tricking us. That's why I unvoted instantly. I think he is more likely scum over toad. The bandwagons that saved toad also save drem. Drem has voted for me, toad (twice but never staying on him), choco (twice finally killing him last night) (known town), and hysh (known town.) | ||
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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
4. Zanfada town 5. xsksc 6. Ciryandor town 7. sermokala Replaced hacklebeast 8. Skrammen 10. Drem903 11. IMABUNNEH town If either HoD or Ciry are not town we are fucked. I have looked over their posts and don’t see anything wrong with them right now. With that, everyone has put them in town category. Bunny has been post much more and my read on him has changed to probably town. Everyone has been suspicious of Drem and Skram for days. Day 1 Day 2 Dy 3 Skrammen choco; drem, hysh; toad, choco; Drem903 zan; toad, choco, hysh; toad, choco; Drem has only voted for known green. I am 100% sold on him being scum. Also his so numerous mistakes seem to be a ploy to play the noob card to avoid suspicion. Skram has voted for known town except his vote for drem + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2011 10:37 Skrammen wrote: @Toadsstern The reason for this is that at that point, bunneh and risk were defending me, and thus me flipping would be bad news for them. Perhaps pretty redundant but still true. So lets think about it. Risk turned out to be green. If I were a red, how would I benefit from his death? He blocked my lynch, and he seemed pretty adamant about my affiliations. Now that he's gone it might reinforce any suspicions you have of me or toad, which is exactly what the scum wants, they want either of us lynched on day 2. Your vote for Drem earlier was a vote for the sake of voting, nothing solid to go on. Your unvote was also on very poor grounds. What I do think of this situation is that me and toad are just two townies pointing fingers at each other. I've not removed you from my list of people to look at, but at this point in time, I do not think you are a scum. You're pointing fingers at basically everyone in this game, which is either poor mafia play or good townie play. At this point its obvious that either one of us is a scum, or none of us. Lets look at the votes from the previous day: + Show Spoiler + 1. risk.nuke Toadesstern 2. HarbingerOfDoom Skrammen 3. Toadesstern Skrammen 4. Zanfada Skrammen 5. xsksc Skrammen 6. Ciryandor Skrammen 7. hacklebeast toadesstern 8. Skrammen Chocolate 9. hyshes Zanfada 10. Drem903 Zanfada 11. IMABUNNEH Toadesstern 12. Chocolate Skrammen I do not think there would be more than 1 mafia voting for me. Risk voted Toadsstern and we know he turned out to be town. Hacklebeast also voted for him, and so did bunneh. But what if we consider hyshes and drem's vote on Zanfada to be a safe-vote, so to speak? Or do you think this is very poor mafia play? At this point im not sure, but im pointing my finger on drem. + Show Spoiler + the people i've accused genuinely accused: Zanfada (not great reasoning, but it was only my first day, and he just seemed suspicious), SKrammen, YOU, hackle, and Toad. If we say that he would not accuse a fellow mafia, there is stil chocolate, bunneh, hyshes, ciry, xskcx and HoD left. Now, I believe there is somthing there worth investigating. + Show Spoiler + Of those 5 Toad and SK are the one's i've been constant about, and toad is the only one to make any real accusations against me. Zanfada i hold no real suspicion of anymore. Why not vote me? Seems like an easy lynch. It would probably give you some answers, too. But you knew that I would flip green, and when that happened you do not want to be on the list as a scum. + Show Spoiler + 1) His posts are long when a simple reply could answer the question (disregarding his analysis post on risk). As scum he's using longer posts to try and cover all possible points that could indicate him to be Mafia. Yes, or perhaps his excuse is a valid one. I made a comment about time-zones and it nearly got me lynched. + Show Spoiler + 2) The only person who would benefit from Risk's death is Toad. Now, my earlier statement on that was it could be a Mafia ploy to distract us, but that would also be immediately obvious so it could be a double trick (kill risk to get suspicion on toad, but we realize that and stop focusing on toad, and then toad is mafia so it was just a convoluted trap that could work). At this point it just gets into an infinite chain of back and forth. Now this is interesting. You're right - it could be a double trick. Or a triple trick, or whatever. I think getting rid of risk is too obvious, and I dont think it would benefit him. Sometimes there is not a hidden meaning, and sometimes the most obvious answer is the right one. But we can not be 100% certain untill we get some lynching done. At this time, I believe Drem to be a valid lynch. Another day without a lynch is getting us nowhere. ## Vote Drem903 He has lots of posts like + Show Spoiler + On November 05 2011 23:21 Skrammen wrote: So, I'm just going to share some of my thoughts and consider some scenarios here. First of all, welcome Regarding the Me vs. Toadsstern thing, at this point two options seem to be possible: 1. One of us is scum. This seems to be the general consensus, and we've been in each others throat for most of this game. But if toad was green then the mafia should have used this, because if Toad gets killed by mafia, I would have been lynched already. But if we consider Toad to be a mafia, the scum will not touch me, because if I die it gives you pretty good information on him. 2. Neither of us are scum. I'm not quite sure about this, but I've mentioned this previously. I think this is the least likely of the two. Also, I noticed somthing Toad said: + Show Spoiler + Ok I'm back and lol we got a hero medic We cant be sure there is a medic, yet he automatically says there is one. A scumslip? Although, to be fair, I do not think the mafia would abstain from trying to kill someone, so we might have one. I cant be for sure if this is a scumslip or just a lack of clarification, but it does seem a bit suspicious to me. ##Vote Drem903 | ||
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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
I don't think it is a bus, risk's argument from day 1 still holds here. If Sk is mafia he would be defending himself hoping to draw attention and make the other mafia look like they are by voting for him it is a town thing to do. Or someone would be diverting our attention or a false medic claim. Also it just doesn't make sense to for mafia to bus someone when they can just lynch a town and go for a night hit. They will win if we lynch a town today. Where as if they bus someone we get loads of info on their voting history, if they defended someone by chainsaw ect. ect. | ||
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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
Also Skram being town makes the risk hit on night 1 make a ton more sense. Day 1 we had 2 townies fighting each other. Risk comes in at the very end and calms things down and prevents us from killing either. He points out a good argument on why Skram is probably town. Then he is killed. The risk hit made skram and toad look scummy. Then our focus is that either Toad or Skram must be mafia and we focus them further. All the posts from night 1 are saying that either skram or toad must be mafia. Looking back on it I think neither of them are scum. If one of them were mafia their scum buddies would try to focus on someone else. | ||
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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
Is my current scum team. BUNNEH is double voting right now, if he was scum I think he would have read the instructions for a no lynch better or his teammates would have pointed it out and he would have switched. Ciry/HoD I am little bit suspicious of you two because mafia have been doing really well this game and you two are the best players still alive. I have no good proof of anything but I see this as a major possibility. I have posted my views on Skram already. Drem I have posted about already, nothing has changed with my opinion of him. Serm came late to the game, my read on heckle was either newbie town or scum, Serm on the otherhand is all over the place, his posts contradict earlier ones. He thought toad was 100% scum, I posted my suspicions of toad but there was never much to go on with him, let alone 100% scum. Xsksc has been lurking hardcore this entire game. I can’t tell if he is scum or not, if he isn’t then Ciry/Hod is. | ||
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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
On November 09 2011 20:32 Ciryandor wrote: Look at the vote list right now (people who voted are listed in order of their vote and the timestamp): For Drem: Zanfada (11/9 08:02) For Skrammen: Bunneh (11/8 21:55) Ciry (11/9 09:42) hackle/Sermo (11/9 11:18) xsksc (11/9 11:31) Drem (11/9 12:11) The last 3 votes happened within an hour of each other. It could be that they came to a consensus to vote for Skram and then just voted instead of spreading out their votes over the course of the day. It’s a bit of a reach but it is something. | ||
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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
I have to go to class for the next 3 hours. If I am alive after that I will help but if not gl hf, it has been an interesting game. | ||
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