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On November 01 2011 01:42 Ciryandor wrote:
Drem's post record is the following; and I feel he's worth looking at as well:
I see a parallel with the last mini game, where scum wanted to jump the gun a bit using some very speculative reason to create an FoS on someone; but in this case this is tempered by the fact that he did not vote on xsksc.
Then when he realizes nobody really bit his bait:
He plays it off as an attempt to stir conversation...
Then goes on the offensive after someone does commit to a real vote on a person.
After that post, he basically leaves the suspicion on Zanfada, which by now looks good enough for other people to lynch.
Drem's post record is the following; and I feel he's worth looking at as well:
I see a parallel with the last mini game, where scum wanted to jump the gun a bit using some very speculative reason to create an FoS on someone; but in this case this is tempered by the fact that he did not vote on xsksc.
Then when he realizes nobody really bit his bait:
He plays it off as an attempt to stir conversation...
Then goes on the offensive after someone does commit to a real vote on a person.
After that post, he basically leaves the suspicion on Zanfada, which by now looks good enough for other people to lynch.
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[QUOTE]On November 01 2011 03:28 Drem903 wrote:
I'll be the first to admit that i am not particularly talkative, although that's mostly because i don't have regular computer access at school.. I have been reading the thread through, and although i still hold zanfada in suspicion, i will also have to agree that SKrammen has not really contributed that much either.
His only notable post just recounts information that everyone should know (though some may not have read the thread too carefully and could've forgotten). Although i feel the need to point out, that SKrammen did call out Zanfada for being hasty to vote (even if he could later rescind the vote). If they were both scum, then it wouldn't make sense for them to call suspicion upon one another.
Zanfada also hasn't posted in a while, and the only notable parts of his posts were: asking the blues to post more frequently (though not to identify themselves), and to defend himself from hacklebeasts own accusations.
So, the people i'm currently very suspicious of are: SKrammen and Zanfada. When i get more time to really look at everyone's posts this might change, but it's just those 2 for now.
##vote Zanfada
I'll be the first to admit that i am not particularly talkative, although that's mostly because i don't have regular computer access at school.. I have been reading the thread through, and although i still hold zanfada in suspicion, i will also have to agree that SKrammen has not really contributed that much either.
His only notable post just recounts information that everyone should know (though some may not have read the thread too carefully and could've forgotten). Although i feel the need to point out, that SKrammen did call out Zanfada for being hasty to vote (even if he could later rescind the vote). If they were both scum, then it wouldn't make sense for them to call suspicion upon one another.
Zanfada also hasn't posted in a while, and the only notable parts of his posts were: asking the blues to post more frequently (though not to identify themselves), and to defend himself from hacklebeasts own accusations.
So, the people i'm currently very suspicious of are: SKrammen and Zanfada. When i get more time to really look at everyone's posts this might change, but it's just those 2 for now.
##vote Zanfada
Here he continues with his accusations of Zanfada and votes for him. But in his post ciry said this:
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After that post, he basically leaves the suspicion on Zanfada, which by now looks good enough for other people to lynch.
Now, at this time other people had been making suspicion of Zanfada, myself including. Only after this did he decide to vote him. He attempts to stay under the radar by voting a secondary lynch target, and kept his vote when the bandwagon came and went.
His defence:
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@Harbinger. I voted for Zanfada because he, at the time, was the person i was most suspicious of. In retrospect i should have looked at SKrammen's posts more, but at the time he [SKrammen] wasn't the most suspicious to me. Now, although SKrammen is still suspicious (he completely ignored toad's analysis a page back, and only responded to defend himself from Zanfa), i am starting to put a lot more thought in the the claim that Toadesstern is a major suspect. (Zanfa i am now unsure of, and hope to see more posts from him before i say anything more on him).
Mostly because he seems adamant about convincing us that he is town, and constantly restates that point over and over again. Which seems like something mafia would do if they were desperate to avoid a lynch.
As I've stated more than once when I looked at the voting patterns; it would make sense for the mafia to avoid being on the list of voters when I got lynched and flipped green.
A second post where he defends his actions:
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I guess i don't honestly have a good reason as to why i did not vote for SKrammen in the end. The thing was i was only suspicious of those 2, and the one i was suspicious of to the point of voting was Zanfada. Although i was reary of SKrammen, i did not see him as suspicious to the point of lynching.
Although it is noteworthy to say that Toad does have a point about Risk not really posting that much. He's actively defending SK, although he immediately tries to spurn attention back on SK when he is called into question, and a few of his posts are just updates on him lurking. He has also tried to get people to look at Toad.
So if Toad is mafia, then risk probably isn't. If risk is mafia, then toad isn't, and SKrammen is also mafia because risk wouldn't defend him if he wasn't.
Although it is noteworthy to say that Toad does have a point about Risk not really posting that much. He's actively defending SK, although he immediately tries to spurn attention back on SK when he is called into question, and a few of his posts are just updates on him lurking. He has also tried to get people to look at Toad.
So if Toad is mafia, then risk probably isn't. If risk is mafia, then toad isn't, and SKrammen is also mafia because risk wouldn't defend him if he wasn't.
Again, this does not really change anything as far as I am concerned. But I am not sure if these "If x is mafia then y is town"-arguments are always valid. What if we lynch toad only to find out he is a townie?
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@SKrammen
If i had changed my vote to you, and you flipped green, everyone who voted for you would have been under heavy suspicion of being scum. So that's 7 people, of which i was 1, so what reasoning would i have to block you're vote if i was mafia? I wouldn't be that much more suspicious than any of the other 6.
For every towny that dies the mafia becomes stronger. If was mafia and had changed my vote to you, and i had said you were suspicious so it's not unlikely for a person to decide to agree with the majority if they had similar convictions, then why would i not vote for you to get you out of the way? The fact is, i didn't have enough conviction to accuse you as i didn't feel that you were necessarily scum. I wasn't convinced enough to take that risk. Bad townie play? possibly. Even worse mafia play? i would believe so.
If i had changed my vote to you, and you flipped green, everyone who voted for you would have been under heavy suspicion of being scum. So that's 7 people, of which i was 1, so what reasoning would i have to block you're vote if i was mafia? I wouldn't be that much more suspicious than any of the other 6.
For every towny that dies the mafia becomes stronger. If was mafia and had changed my vote to you, and i had said you were suspicious so it's not unlikely for a person to decide to agree with the majority if they had similar convictions, then why would i not vote for you to get you out of the way? The fact is, i didn't have enough conviction to accuse you as i didn't feel that you were necessarily scum. I wasn't convinced enough to take that risk. Bad townie play? possibly. Even worse mafia play? i would believe so.
He has a point now. But I would like someone elses input on this here - to me it makes sense for him not wanting to be one of the people who voted for me, but would you consider it bad mafia play to block it? I'm not so sure anymore.
I would like for you to tell us what you feel about Zanfada, and who do you think is Town?
It seems that as soon as a couple more of us came round to believing you were town, you got punished for it. That makes me think the scum are the low-middle activity people for certain.
