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'Cause everytime we touch, I get this feeling.
And everytime we kiss I swear I could fly.
Can't you feel my heart beat fast, I want this to last.
Need you by my side.
'Cause everytime we touch, I feel the static.
And everytime we kiss, I reach for the sky.
Can't you hear my heart beat so...
I can't let you go.
Want you in my life.
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I thought you loved me 
Hey Jimbo, can you repeat after me
"I am not the inventor".
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On October 18 2011 14:22 Foolishness wrote:To anything that Palmar has ever said: ![[image loading]](http://www.gapingvoid.com/11444661477.jpg)
Original Message From Foolishness: I believe he is town, he has proven to me that he is competent and is working for the town. Other candidates haven't done both: Radfield and Jimbo are working for the town but they're not competent, Mig and Wiggles are competent but they aren't working for the town. If you haven't already talk to him in PMs, you'll see he has no ill intentions. Show nested quote +Original Message From Arctocod: you voted for greymist (who I think is town), but you didn't give explicit reason for it or argue why your judgment should be followed. I would expect you to. Original Message From Foolishness: Fair enough, but what do you mean I'm fence-sitting? Or what am I fence-sitting about? Original Message From Arctocod: I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that the combined circular townreads of this group is better than anything else we have at the moment. Especially when heavyweights like yourself decide to fence-sit. Original Message From Foolishness: Yes I know, I believe you're the 4th person to tell me that. Strange how whenever I say that "someone in that group is probably mafia" everyone rushes to their defense. But maybe I'm just paranoid. Original Message From Arctocod: So let me explain something to you. The syllogism/mig/sandroba trio is basically a set of people who talk extremely much to each other and they are all very good at mafia. Of course it is quite possible there is a mafia in there. However, the other two WILL find out in the end. And if not them, I will. I want this to be absolutely clear, if there is one group of people you should trust to not half-ass this game, it should be those people. I have spoken privately with Radfield. I have good reasons to believe he is town. Original Message From Foolishness: hmmm I don't know how much you have talked with Radfield, but do you have any sense that he's doing any scum hunting? Because I certainly don't (and I know there are some others that get the same feeling). The reason I don't want him in office is because he's too trusting and is playing this game all wrong. For instance, consider the Radfield/sandroba/syllogism/Mig team that's currently been formulated. These 4 people will swear to anyone that the other 3 are town (and they've already done so in the thread as we know). Can you look me straight in the eye and say that it's likely that all 4 of them are town? Those 4 people make up ~15% of the players in this game, a game where ~43% of the players are mafia. I'd actually be disappointed if none of the 4 families had an infiltrator in there. And if those 4 truly are all town, then I'm in deep shit because that means the people I've been trusting so far are very likely to be mafia. That's why I don't want Radfield or Mig elected. Whoever's scum in that group will cruise to victory. Original Message From Arctocod: That is a very interesting stance to take Foolishness. Thing is, I agree with you. I think it's extremely important to put the right person in office. But I do not understand what you have against putting Radfield in office. We both know he's a better player than Greymist, and we both agree he is likely not scum. I fully understand that you think you have a lot to do before you die, but that just makes the call to use what I'd consider bad logic to support a weaker candidate into office, even weirder. I am not quite sure how to react to this. If you don't mind, will you share with me your ideas and thoughts as night falls, so I can see that you are actually doing work? Original Message From Foolishness: The elected positions are not about finding the person most likely to be not scum, and they are not about finding the person who will scum hunt the best. You're playing this game like it's any other game of mafia. It isn't. To be quite frank, I actually don't give a hoot about who gets elected as long as Radfield isn't in office (and I don't even think he's scum btw). I'm concerned about making sure the right person gets lynched at the moment. Also I'm pretty much dead night 1 since I'm low on the draft list and thus did not get any sort of defensive role to help me survive. I have a lot to do before I die and the elections are just a sneeze to me on my list of priorities. Original Message From Arctocod:
I am disappointed in your vote.
Will you explain your reasoning to me?
And then continued
Original Message From Foolishness: I don't believe I've argued with Mig, so if you can specify what exactly you're referring to I'd be happy to explain. I realize I'm in a weird position, but I took this risk at the start of the game. All will be explained soon I promise. I'm in the middle of something really good right now, something only I have the power to do (and I'm not talking about role power, I'm vanilla) Show nested quote +Original Message From Arctocod: So you're in a weird position. You tried to accuse Errandor who's almost definitely town, and you've argued extensively with Mig who is very likely to be town too. Is there any reason to believe you're not scum now? Original Message From Foolishness: lol k Original Message From Arctocod: Everyone knows my role, and I don't give a shit anymore. Original Message From Foolishness: Is it true that Mig knows your role? Original Message From Arctocod: greymist is highly likely town, I have talked extensively with him in pms. Original Message From Foolishness: I believe he is town, he has proven to me that he is competent and is working for the town. Other candidates haven't done both: Radfield and Jimbo are working for the town but they're not competent, Mig and Wiggles are competent but they aren't working for the town. If you haven't already talk to him in PMs, you'll see he has no ill intentions. Original Message From Arctocod: you voted for greymist (who I think is town), but you didn't give explicit reason for it or argue why your judgment should be followed. I would expect you to. Original Message From Foolishness: Fair enough, but what do you mean I'm fence-sitting? Or what am I fence-sitting about? Original Message From Arctocod:
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that the combined circular townreads of this group is better than anything else we have at the moment. Especially when heavyweights like yourself decide to fence-sit.
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Please stop spamming the thread. This is directed specifically at Arctocod -- of your last seven posts, six contain song lyrics, youtube videos, or irrelevant one-liners like "I'm waiting, Romeo" -- but also goes for everyone else playing in this game. Instead, please try to keep your posts focused on serious discussion of the game. Thank you.
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sorry, will drop the shenanigans.
I pmd protact about a question about the game about 30 hours ago, and I still need to get an answer on that. If any of the hosts see this I really need to get that answered.
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OK, there are 12 hours left in the day, so enough with the subterfuge. I had hoped to draw more people out, but the fact that no one bit tells me things as well.
Meapak is Red. We have a confirmed check on him, and he is scum. He is also a confirmed rockstar, so we need to lynch him, and use our night-time KP elsewhere. It's possible that Meapak was framed(he is the #1 pick), but his play has been pretty scummy all game, and the reason he was checked is because he was already suspected.
My defense of Meapak earlier -> False
Bugs attempt to start an alternate wagon on Sandro -> False
Massive leak in the circle -> False
At this point scum need to lynch townies, and cannot afford to bandwagon another scum player. My hope was that when presented with either a Meapak lynch or a Sandro/Bugs lynch, we would see people avoiding Meapak. There was simply no need to burst into the thread and yell confirmed red, when the thread was already suffering. Hopefully any townies out of the loop see that.
Jackal, you were wondering why the role-swapper would go after the #2 pick instead of Meapak. The answer is simple, Meapak is also a Yorkist, and was on the same team as Kita. At least that's the going theory.
Meapak is Red
##Vote Meapak_Ziphh
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It's a shame two yorkists were already dead, if that's indeed his family
##vote Meapak_Ziphh
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Just confirming what Radfield has said. The whole idea of having me make a case, and having him argue against it was an attempt at manufacturing discussion.
##Vote Meapak_Ziphh
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Oh, sorry once again for double posting, but I think this is important for everyone to know.
Part 1
Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: LOOOOL Before you do lemme ask you one thing, do you trust rad? Show nested quote +Original Message From Arctocod: It's okay, I'm outing you as rockstar in the thread if you're gonna play hardball, and I'm gonna out REDACTED and REDACTED too. Now, are you ready to talk? Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: lol you want to kill me, cute. I'm not talking to you until you tell me how you know. Original Message From Arctocod: Do tell, why is there not an invention today? I am very interested in your answer. And I would also like to know who the inventor is, because I have a reason to believe that person is scum. Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Who told you? Accept that I had a good reason for not picking inventor and more importantly, I know who the real inventor is and why there isn't an invention today. Original Message From Arctocod: ok let's cut the crap, you're not an inventor, you picked the rockstar. Why did you do this, and why should we not hang you? Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Do you want a list checking electric guitar? Original Message From Arctocod:
can you invent an electric guitar for me? I'm all out of electric guitars.
Part 2
Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: You honestly expect me to believe you when you waltz in and say "inventor is scum.". Proof pretty please? I don't trust him 100% atm but like I said, I'll give him one more day. In the meantime I must complement you on an incredible display of successful role fishing. Show nested quote +Original Message From Arctocod: I have found scum, it's the inventor. If you withhold that information you're his scumbuddy. Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Absolutely not. You'll give me the information so we can find scum. Original Message From Arctocod: I will give that information for the identity of the inventor. Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Who told you I was rock star? Original Message From Arctocod: It's probably jimbosilvers anyway, would've just been nice to have confirmation, because technically it could be wherebugsgo, hiro or wiggles. Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Nope. I accept his reason why there was no invention and he gets one more day. You want to out me in the thread, well you're more than welcome too. The inventor's name goes with me to the grave. You wanna tell me how you know I'm rock star? That'll get us a lot closer to finding scum. Original Message From Arctocod: I trust no one. Now tell me the identity of that inventor, and you better not fucking lie because I'm going to push a lynch on that person today. Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: LOOOOL Before you do lemme ask you one thing, do you trust rad? Original Message From Arctocod:
It's okay, I'm outing you as rockstar in the thread if you're gonna play hardball, and I'm gonna out REDACTED and REDACTED too.
Now, are you ready to talk?
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My only question is why pick rockstar in his position, instead of something like NRA or Meth Man? is there a situation where this would be more advantagious to the mafia?
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I tried to shoot heist tonight. He has so far not claimed the shot.
I know the shot fired as I have only 1 bullet now left, but I do not know if the shot was correctly fired, or if my proof that heist lied about his implications was not considered strong enough.
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well, Im willing to vote on Meapak on behavior alone. So its an easy lynch.
##Vote Meapak_Ziphh
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Hi, I'll vote with the red check.
I haven't done too much real analysis today, but I've shared some of my reads with a least one person (Who might have shared them all with others, I don't know).
Physics midterms suck. I slept two hours last night. If you really want to talk to me, send me a PM.
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Alright here's my story. The moment I learned I had the number one pick I set about trying to protect the inventor. I eventually settled on trying to find someone who would take the inventor while I took Rock Star and tried to draw hits. I decided against doing this plan with kenpachi as I can never get a good read on him. Instead I decided to talk with Jimbo who had seemed fairly protown at the time I decided to try and make this plan work. Jimbo agreed so I picked RS and Jimbo told me he picked Inventor. All was well
I ran for mayor to try and keep up the facade of being inventor and to draw attention to myself. My goal was to absorb as many hits as possible, or have the thief steal my role and then get outed by my body guards. Obviously, my own activity level hindered this and I was forced to withdraw under less than ideal circumstances.
Yesterday I asked Jimbo what he had for me, he responded that he had failed to send in for an invention. Obviously this set off alarm bells. But at the time I figured that inventor was a really powerful role, everything seemed under control so I decided that I'd give Jimbo one more night before outing him to the thread. I claimed rb'd to keep up the whole "I'm the inventor" thing. Then things started to go wrong.
Radfield somehow guessed at the switch. I asked Jimbo and Jimbo said it was because of my halfassed run at mayor. Radfield also knew who the inventor was which was fairly bad, that was what I'd been trying to protect all game. I started looking for leaks. At this point I should mention GreyMist and Sandroba who are my body guards. I talked with greymist and he seemed innocent, in fact greymist is one of the few people who I'm sure is town at the moment.
So anyway I started looking for the leak. I had it narrowed down to sandroba or Jimbo. Given that Sandroba had dissapeared on skype I started to suspect him, plus I really couldn't think of reason (scum or town) for Jimbo to talk. Things started getting out of hand. Foolishness and Arcto both revealed they knew. This made me slightly suspicious of greymist because I'm pretty sure he's in a town circle with foolishness. I also began to get extremely suspicious of sandroba because I figured he/syllo/mig had buddied up with arcto.
One thing remained consistent across everyone who told me they knew my role, they wouldn't tell me how they found it. This was really annoying. Mig contacted me last night, he too knew my role, I asked him about it and he wouldn't tell. This was pretty much the final confirmation in my mind that Sandroba was the leak. I was planning on trying to get him lynched today. Then I looked at the thread this morning and found rad had pulled dt check out of his ass so I decided to come clean with everything.
Hey rad, you wanna know why no one role swapped me? Because the real scum talked. Today palmar told me that he had learned my role from Jimbo. Sandroba may be scum too, but it's obvious where the leak came from Jimbo is scum. He probably didn't even take inventor and was planning on holding out for as long as possible. Jimbo probably spread things around so that by the time the night started, half the town knew I was rs.
Below are my PMs I've sent and received, I can't post IRC logs because I'm at school (those will come when I'm home). It's pretty obvious that I've been framed, you should all be voting for the real scum in this situation; Jimbo.
Palmar[spoilerote]Original Message From Arctocod:
I have found scum, it's the inventor.
If you withhold that information you're his scumbuddy.
Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Absolutely not. You'll give me the information so we can find scum. Show nested quote +Original Message From Arctocod: I will give that information for the identity of the inventor. Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Who told you I was rock star? Original Message From Arctocod: It's probably jimbosilvers anyway, would've just been nice to have confirmation, because technically it could be wherebugsgo, hiro or wiggles. Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Nope. I accept his reason why there was no invention and he gets one more day. You want to out me in the thread, well you're more than welcome too. The inventor's name goes with me to the grave. You wanna tell me how you know I'm rock star? That'll get us a lot closer to finding scum. Original Message From Arctocod: I trust no one. Now tell me the identity of that inventor, and you better not fucking lie because I'm going to push a lynch on that person today. Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: LOOOOL Before you do lemme ask you one thing, do you trust rad? Original Message From Arctocod: It's okay, I'm outing you as rockstar in the thread if you're gonna play hardball, and I'm gonna out sandroba and greymist too. Now, are you ready to talk? Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: lol you want to kill me, cute. I'm not talking to you until you tell me how you know. Original Message From Arctocod:
Do tell, why is there not an invention today?
I am very interested in your answer.
And I would also like to know who the inventor is, because I have a reason to believe that person is scum.
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Mig[spoilerOriginal Message From Mig: Well I am town meapak, don't worry! Now about who told me, I need to keep that to myself for now. The person may very well have lied to you but even knowing that I think they are town and you are more likely to be scum. If at any point I feel you are more likely to be town than them I promise to tell you. Also I am looking forward to your hero game sometime in the future! With all the people dropping out maybe you will be able to get yours bumped up the que. Show nested quote +Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Sorry didn't make that clear. I faked it because I'm willing to trust the inventor for one more day. Now please tell me who the fuck told you I am rock star. I'm fixing to blow a fucking gasket if people keep saying "sorry can't tell you.". How the fuck am I supposed to scum hunt when I can't even get enough cooperation to clean the fucking scum out of my own back yard. Sorry to be blunt but I've been blown off three times now, lemme put it this way. If you are town, you will tell me who told you because that will lead to a scummy lier. Original Message From Mig: My only real important question was tho were you roleblocked or did you fake it? Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: I think hiro protagonist is scum. I started to write an analysis and discovered a really obvious contradiction (just read his first two big posts). You can expect that analysis around 11:30 or so PST tomorrow. I am also suspicious of palmar because in my opinion his analysis of me was really forced. I was suspicious of wbg but I took a step back and realized some of that may be because I don't like him. He's not cleared but I'm not as concerned. The real inventor didn't invent anything which is why there is nothing in the day post. I'm extremely suspicious of him but because the role is so powerful I'm gonna wait one more day before moving against him. Since you know I'm rock star it pains me to tell you that I WILL NOT talk to you any more unless you tell me how you found out. There has been a leak somewhere in my plan (part of why so much shit is happening is because I'm trying to do damage control). I need to find that leak, when I find the leak I have a feeling I'll find a scum or two. Original Message From Mig:
Ok a few things A) who do you think is the best lynch? I read the bum reasoning but I am sure you must have some ideas who is next most likely scum.
B) I know you are not inventor and that you are rs. I don't think this necessarily says anything about your alignment but were you actually rbd or was that a lie for why you had no invention?
Jimbo+ Show Spoiler +Original Message From JimboSilvers: He claims that he hasn't told anyone. He probably figured it out because I asked him about inventions once, and whether or not you two were figuring things out. Can you get on IRC? Show nested quote +Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Fuck I guess I tried to sell it too hard to him :/. Hopefully Radfield didn't run his mouth and I still absorb hits/thiefs/role swapper. How did rad guess it was you? Do you know if Rad has told anyone? Original Message From JimboSilvers Lol, you told Radfield that you were picking inventor before the deadline. No real inventor would have done that, and Radfield picked up on it, and figured out that I'm the actual inventor. So Maybe Mig doesn't know, but otherwise you are making a listcheck for them. Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
What am "I" inventing tonight?
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Hey. Do you think I am town (still?)?
If you do, you know why I want the mayorship. I would also like to point out that dispite people frequently saying that I am one of the "realistic candidates" I've never had more than two votes, and even then, GreY took his vote of right away. Does that strike you as odd?
I've pretty poor support if I'm mafia. Nobody (cept Rad) can deny that I would be a decent candidate, but mafia obviously aren't going to support me, so I'm left with one vote.
Please support me, as I don't want the inventor to die N1.
Original Message From JimboSilvers:
For the record, I will not tell anyone your role without consulting you first.
Original Message From JimboSilvers: So switch to Rockstar, ok? Show nested quote +Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Ugh, I can't be active until 5:00 or so, will we still have time to talk? Original Message From JimboSilvers: I've thought about it a bit, and I found out a few things in the meantime. I don't want inventor. I will claim inventor if you take it, but you shouldn't claim rockstar, as there is no reason for him to do that. Let people focus on me. but get on irc, I want to talk still. Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
please let me know your decision on what we talked about.
Kitaman+ Show Spoiler +Original Message From kitaman27: I'll probably be voting for Mig. If you really want to win the election, you probably will have to be more active in the thread. Show nested quote +Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: I'd rather be elected as mayor since I have a pretty good idea of who I'd lynch. I'm going to pass on my inventions to someone I consider trustworthy. There are certain candidates who I'd never give an invention to. If someone I feel is protown gets elected then giving them the invention is a good idea, but I'm not gonna just blindly give the invention to someone with bgs. I was thinking police radio would be a good start, followed by a list checker if I somehow survived that long. I actually had a pretty good invention idea which I posted with my announcement for mayor but it didn't get a lot of attention . I agree though, the more apparent it is what the invention does the better. What are your thoughts on the election so far? Original Message From kitaman27:
Hey, I'm not sure if you've thought about this yet, but you should pass your invention to one of the elected officials on night one. Since they will have bodyguards protecting them, that ensures that the invention will be used the following cycle. Have you thought about what you plan to make yet? Police radio is probably your best bet unless you can come up with something more powerful. Make sure you make the invention name completely unambiguous so we are able to interpret your motives. If you had the choice, would you rather be elected as the mayor or pardoner?
DropBear+ Show Spoiler +Original Message From DropBear: Why on earth would I claim framer publically if I was mafia? What are these things that have set off alarms? Why hiro? Why syllo? Show nested quote +Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Hmm I reread the post and now see what you were trying to say. However you had already made several posts that set my alarms off, I took your post to mean that you believed your shennanigans with framer had outed you and so you decided to go out with a bang while at the same time making alliances for your family. You're not an automatic lynch anymore but this is the second thing you've done that set off alarms. I'd probably lynch syllo or hiro now. Original Message From DropBear: Dude read the first line rofl. "Attention mafia scum!" Its an advert for a temporary alliance with one of the scum teams, trying to get them to claim to me. Why would I bother to do this if I was already on one? You're smarter than this man whats the deal? Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: uhhh... "Ensure your future is kept safe while we annihilate the other two scum factions!" That's a scum claim. Original Message From DropBear:
Why would you lynch me if mayor? I quite clearly did NOT claim scum.
Rad+ Show Spoiler +Original Message From Radfield: I don't think being an elected role protects you from either the thief or swapper. I'm pretty sure it only protects you from KP. Show nested quote +Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: I understand the risks of giving mayor to the top spot, however I have to at least try and run. Whether I role claimed or not, as the #1 pick I have no doubt I will be targeted by the thief and role swapper tonight. If I can get those bodyguards I won't have to worry about any of that. I at least wanna be able to get a couple inventions off before I die and bgs are the most surefire way. I will support if it becomes apparent I don't have a chance (don't write me off yet, the day has just begun), or if it's to deny Mig/Sandroba. Original Message From Radfield:
Your chances of getting mayor are extremely slim. The risk of giving the top slot mayor is too great, as had already been discussed in the thread. You need to rely on medic protection, and hope that you get off the Police Radio(or other invention). Chances of you getting your role stolen or swapped tonight are very very high
Given you think I am town, I could use your support. If I don't get an elected position, I am almost surely going to get shot tonight.
Original Message From Radfield: You should also consider taking JOAT. It allows you to self-protect if you are worried about getting hit, but also lets inventor slip to someone else. Though on the bright side it means inventor will not get stolen by the thief. Chances are inventor is the best course of action. It allows you to get off one excellent invention before dying, which could be all town needs. There is also the chance you will survive the night, which would be a huge coup for town.... assuming you are making pro-town inventions 
Original Message From Radfield: Interesting. Here is what Mig told me: 1. you stated you didn't really want inventor, though you never stated you woulnd't take it 2. You discussed the option of you taking assassin 3. You discussed the option of allowing inventor to drop to him at spot 5 True or false? Show nested quote +Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: I don't know what Mig has been telling you but the only contact I've had with him privately was a brief IRC chat this afternoon while I was at school. We talked about who was running for mayor, I don't think more than three lines were dedicated to roles and even then it was nothing more than "oh hey you're first and you're fifth." I have no intention of a picking plan with anyone. Just so you know I've already sent in my choice, I can guarentee mig won't be getting a "quality role" due to me . Original Message From Radfield:
Please do not try to arrange a role picking plan with Mig. He is somewhat suspicious, and by no means should he know your role. Nor should you allow a quality role to fall to him(like Inventor).
Decide your role for yourself, tell no one, and live with the consequences.
Sandroba+ Show Spoiler +Original Message From sandroba: Since you already know I'm vanilla I see no harm in telling you what I tried to get, but unfortunatelly it won't give us any new info. I tryed to get rockstar hoping it would slip by in a mafia crowded top 6. please add me on skype sandro.maculan so we can talk more. Show nested quote +Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: I needed a way to publicly claim inventor without making it look forced. As you've probably figured out, I'm not inventor but in order to draw hits people have to think I am. I'll continue to run so that it doesn't look weird if I announce and then drop out, however I'm not going to campaign too hard unless someone who I'm suspicious of starts to gain headway. I'll tell you right now though, I didn't just let inventor go. I know who has it, or, if they don't, I know a pretty much confirmed red. Also I don't care who you trust or who you've been PMing, you absolutely cannot tell anyone I'm rockstar or this whole gambit was worthless. If you feel comfortable telling me, I'd like to hear what role you tried to get. Original Message From sandroba:
What are your intentions regarding running for mayor? I can see townie motives behind that, but I'd like to hear your explanation.
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