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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 14 2011 04:02 GMT
#501
On October 14 2011 12:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
October 14 2011 04:27 GMT
#502
On October 14 2011 12:53 hiro protagonist wrote:
I would like to nominate the 3 most active and protown people as of right now, and that would be:

Sandroba
Jumbo
Radfield

All three put a lot of effort into organizing town so far. By putting them in public office, We pressure them to keep up there performance. Of the three, I like Sand and Rad the most, Jumbo the least.

chaoser or wiggles dont have a platform, so i see no reason to elect them. They could change my mind, if they give me a reason to.


My platform is to lead you all to victory, what do you mean by no platform? What's sandroba's/Jimbo's/Radfield's platforms? I don't see any.
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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
October 14 2011 04:32 GMT
#503
I'm going to prioritize my vote based on who the mayor will lynch day 1, and the candidates position in the draft order (Alongside filtering out people who seem scummy of course).
The draft order thing is because if the person is scum, they are less likely to have a top tier role, and therefore can't abuse their power to the same extent. Any candidates seeking my vote should provide this information
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
October 14 2011 04:49 GMT
#504
On October 14 2011 13:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I'm going to prioritize my vote based on who the mayor will lynch day 1, and the candidates position in the draft order (Alongside filtering out people who seem scummy of course).
The draft order thing is because if the person is scum, they are less likely to have a top tier role, and therefore can't abuse their power to the same extent. Any candidates seeking my vote should provide this information


Obviously you should vote me since I am both in the middle of the order (albeit low middle) and also have a lynch target. Also, I put up a picture of Mike Haggar. And he is awesome. He can beat up any stupid stick figures and numbers mean nothing to him.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 14 2011 04:52 GMT
#505
On October 14 2011 13:49 chaoser wrote:
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On October 14 2011 13:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I'm going to prioritize my vote based on who the mayor will lynch day 1, and the candidates position in the draft order (Alongside filtering out people who seem scummy of course).
The draft order thing is because if the person is scum, they are less likely to have a top tier role, and therefore can't abuse their power to the same extent. Any candidates seeking my vote should provide this information


Obviously you should vote me since I am both in the middle of the order (albeit low middle) and also have a lynch target. Also, I put up a picture of Mike Haggar. And he is awesome. He can beat up any stupid stick figures and numbers mean nothing to him.


So who is your lynch target?
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hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
October 14 2011 04:55 GMT
#506
On October 14 2011 13:27 chaoser wrote:
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On October 14 2011 12:53 hiro protagonist wrote:
I would like to nominate the 3 most active and protown people as of right now, and that would be:

Sandroba
Jumbo
Radfield

All three put a lot of effort into organizing town so far. By putting them in public office, We pressure them to keep up there performance. Of the three, I like Sand and Rad the most, Jumbo the least.

chaoser or wiggles dont have a platform, so i see no reason to elect them. They could change my mind, if they give me a reason to.


My platform is to lead you all to victory, what do you mean by no platform? What's sandroba's/Jimbo's/Radfield's platforms? I don't see any.


no, they dont have platforms, but I was putting out who I would like to run based on there performance this game so far.

I look up to you and your play as something to emulate, and while your past performance in leading town is impressive, you haven't done much of that this game. Or perhaps i should say your number 4 behind sand/jumbo/rad. I might vote for you, but you got to give me more reasons

also, I forgot that jumbo is near the top of the picking list, so I am less interested in voting him Mayor.
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 14 2011 04:55 GMT
#507
I'm announcing Mig's candidacy for Mayor!

His platform is: he is very likely town!

I will likely be running for pardoner, depending on how the voting goes.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
October 14 2011 05:18 GMT
#508
On October 14 2011 12:53 hiro protagonist wrote:
I would like to nominate the 3 most active and protown people as of right now, and that would be:

Sandroba
Jumbo
Radfield

All three put a lot of effort into organizing town so far. By putting them in public office, We pressure them to keep up there performance. Of the three, I like Sand and Rad the most, Jumbo the least.

chaoser or wiggles dont have a platform, so i see no reason to elect them. They could change my mind, if they give me a reason to.

What's wrong with a platform of killing scum? =O

I'm not voting anyone for stuff they did on day 1 really, besides maybe activity. It's pretty easy for people to talk a lot on Day 1 about mechanics and role picking, because it doesn't really reflect any opinion on any other player. Especially in a game with 3 scum families, I'm sure they came up with different picking plans, some of which could potentially fall in line with what town believed to be optimal. This further obfuscates things, because even plans that look pro-town have the potential to be used to help one scum family's strategy to the detriment of the other two.

If any of those three want my vote for today, then they're going to have to provide reasons for today. Why should I give someone immunity? If they get pardoner, how will they use it? Who will be their day 1 lynch?

To answer these questions myself, I haven't decided who I'm going to lynch if I get voted into office. Not yet, anyways. I'll be willing to take town input, but that will be more of a discussion between me and the rest of town. It's not going to be a vote. It's not going to just be me picking someone. It's going to be me discussing with town, and then we can come up with a candidate we can mostly agree on. Some criteria we may wish to consider or omit in this picking process is activity and queue position. i.e., is it worth it to lynch an active player day 1, or one of the many lurkers? Should we avoid lynching into the top of the list?

If I receive the spot of pardoner, I probably won't use my pardons ever, unless there's something silly like a vote rig or scum politician swinging the vote. It would only be used in a reactionary measure, unless town decides it would be beneficial to use is as a no-lynch. (I think there's scenarios near lylo where this is beneficial. I might need to read up)

I want immunity, because I don't feel like getting shot on night 1 again. As well, when I'm bullet-proof I go on a scum killing rampage across the thread.

Also, I made you a graphic novel. That took a lot of effort.
you gotta dance
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
October 14 2011 05:18 GMT
#509
On October 14 2011 13:02 bumatlarge wrote:
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On October 14 2011 12:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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If you're scum, then yes, that is true.

Otherwise, I won't kick you. Unless doing so would get your vote, then I would.
you gotta dance
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 14 2011 05:21 GMT
#510
Platforms are irrelevant. Plans are irrelevant. What you say you are going to do with the lynch or pardons is irrelevant.

All that matters is denying the positions from scum.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
October 14 2011 05:40 GMT
#511
On October 14 2011 14:21 syllogism wrote:
Platforms are irrelevant. Plans are irrelevant. What you say you are going to do with the lynch or pardons is irrelevant.

All that matters is denying the positions from scum.

Vote dumb pardoner who will pardon twice and wreck the game for town versus vote in smart pardoner who won't pardon unless absolutely necessary.

Vote in smart mayor who'll use the lynch in a good way versus voting in a dumb mayor who's going to randomly lynch a pro-town player within the top queue spots because he feels like it.

Which seems like a better alternative in each case? Also, how are you going to determine who's scum or not without discussing anything?
you gotta dance
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
October 14 2011 05:43 GMT
#512
On October 14 2011 14:21 syllogism wrote:
Platforms are irrelevant. Plans are irrelevant. What you say you are going to do with the lynch or pardons is irrelevant.

All that matters is denying the positions from scum.

I disagree.
We don't know which people are scum, and the more information you have on the candidates, the more informed your vote can be. As such, plans/platforms/foreseen actions are important. It also gives scum candidates more chance to slip up. And even if it was a vote between townies only, one will be a better choice than the others.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 14 2011 06:14 GMT
#513
On October 14 2011 14:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 14:21 syllogism wrote:
Platforms are irrelevant. Plans are irrelevant. What you say you are going to do with the lynch or pardons is irrelevant.

All that matters is denying the positions from scum.

Vote dumb pardoner who will pardon twice and wreck the game for town versus vote in smart pardoner who won't pardon unless absolutely necessary.

Vote in smart mayor who'll use the lynch in a good way versus voting in a dumb mayor who's going to randomly lynch a pro-town player within the top queue spots because he feels like it.

Which seems like a better alternative in each case? Also, how are you going to determine who's scum or not without discussing anything?

Discussion is good, but in the end platforms are pure fluff, especially in a game with 3 different scum teams. Walls of text detailing your plans and policies say quite little about your alignment, especially if the person in question is someone like Radfield. Furthermore, promises are meaningless if the person being elected isn't town.. Obviously we are never going to elect a "dumb" pardoner or mayor, given the fact how many solid players there are in the game.

Anyway, Mig is likely town and everyone should be voting for him. Yes, take my word for it
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
October 14 2011 06:21 GMT
#514
Hey syllo, why is Mig so likely to be a townie?

What has he done that's warranted him this status?
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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 14 2011 06:32 GMT
#515
Purely based on behavioral analysis. I've been talking to him on skype since the game began and I think I know him well enough to make that judgment. Nothing is obviously certain, but at this point it's about as solid as you can get. He also has a nice draft position and is a very good town player, making him overall an excellent mayor candidate.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
October 14 2011 06:45 GMT
#516
I'm curious. Are we overall wanting to vote someone high in the draft order to protect high value roles or low in the draft to limit the abusiveness of the mayoral position?

Syllogism you seem to trust Mig. That's great, but if Mig is mayor, I strongly ask that you don't try to be pardoner. You two seem to be cooperating at some level but I feel the Mayor and Pardoner should be completely separate, working against each somewhat, rather than together. I think it's better right now if the two can't work together as one.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 14 2011 06:56 GMT
#517
On October 14 2011 14:18 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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On October 14 2011 13:02 bumatlarge wrote:
On October 14 2011 12:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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If you're scum, then yes, that is true.

Otherwise, I won't kick you. Unless doing so would get your vote, then I would.


Oh ok then, I thought I was your lynch candidate or something. I do agree that a town pardoner would be better for us then a mafia mayor and mr wiggles is a reasonable guy. Although there are multiple factions and it is likely at least one has chosen not to have a candidate, it's logical that there are multile scum candidates. I would support a mayor who can accurately pick out a scummy guy in the running.

Also, syllo and mig on the same scum team would be pretty lol. I'll believe that syllo thinks mig is town, and that syllo isn't scum. But that's gut stuff, I want to hear what mig has to say.

I like radfield or jimbo, as soon as they identify their lynch target I'll choose between them, but I would prefer wiggles or mig as pardoner, since I feel they are town.

Mayor = Smart, spotlighted
Pardoner = Clearly town

Those are the aspects I'm looking for.
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
October 14 2011 07:10 GMT
#518
ATTENTION ALL MAFIA SCUM!!!

Are you confused as to how you should approach a game in which your faction is vastly outnumbered?

Worried about the potential influence of your competitors?

Looking for a friend in this big scary world?

Enjoy doing dodgy under-the-table deals?

Your friendly neighbourhood DropBear can help!

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Have a faction representative PM DropBear today for a temporary alliance! Ensure your future is kept safe while we annihilate the other two scum factions!

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Note: I may turn on you suddenly and without warrning :D


Take this opportunity before your competitors do! You can't afford to let this deal go to waste!
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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 14 2011 07:13 GMT
#519
Did Dropbear just straight up scumclaim?
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
October 14 2011 07:25 GMT
#520
Sense your here DB, mind telling us if you got the framer role?
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
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