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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
1) I put a lot of effort in whenever I play. I haven't posted much in the thread so far but I have talked to a lot of people for extended periods of time on irc/skype. If I am mayor people will always be able to get ahold of me and I will always discuss with them my ideas and thoughts. If anyone wants to add me on skype/aim my names are migcom123. Or they can pm me and I will respond to them. Along with this I am on irc a ton and I generally pm a lot of people myself to get their opinions (although I haven't done so yet). 2) Here is the biggest point by far for why I am the best mayor candidate. Transparency. I am a very strong town player and a horrible scum player. This isn't an opinion this is fact. In 10+ games as town I have never been lynched, in fact I am not sure I have ever even been voted for after day1. As scum I have been lynched 3 out of the 4 games I have played. Everyone is going to be able to see that I am town very easily and if not I will be an easy lynch. There is a reason syllo already is convinced I am town. Me and syllo talk very regularly on skype and he knows me well. Unless you think we fluked into me and him being on the same scum team and now we are taking the massive risk to tie ourselves together strongly then he truly believes I am town. If you elect someone like wiggles/radfield/chaoser you may get a very good townie as mayor but you also run the risk of electing someone who is also very good at scum and who could use their position to mislead the town. You don't have that risk electing me. Advice 1) Adjust what you are looking for and spend more time looking for townies. Seeing someone do a traditional analyses and getting a scum lynched would normally almost confirm them as town. At the beginning of this game it means practically nothing. So look for ideas and plans that can only benefit the town and hurt the scum as a whole. Wiggles is right in that much of day1 is kind of useless. Sandroba/Radfield could create those plans very easily as scum. But there are a few smaller things that people proposed which were extremely beneficial to only town and harmful for scum. So look for those if you can find 5-6 people you think are very likely town then suddenly your odds of lynching correctly go through the roof. 2) Turtle hardcore. Just like in SC2 or any other last man standing FFA game the correct strategy for us is to turtle and hope our enemies kill each other. Which means a few things A) Green checks are more valuable than red ones early in the game. DTs I don't believe should be checking suspicious people early on. DTs should check people they think are likely town, not likely to be framed/gf and could possibly be protective roles. Then try to organize these protections to protect each other and insure mafia are not. Obviously there is always a risk of your check not being true so use your own discretion before claiming but forming small circles of mostly confirmed townies and trying to survive until the end game is how we will win. Remember we cannot win, even if we lynch correctly everyday, if the mafia do not shoot each other and we get some protections. Our goal should be to keep each other alive and let the mafias do much of our work for us. B) No DT should ever claim, unless we are very far into the game, to get a red lynched. And in fact make sure not to push in a way that could even make people suspect you as a dt. Almost half the people in the game are red, a 1-1 trade dt for red is horrible for us so use caution. Day 1 lynch. First I will say that obviously I will be reading the entire thread and I will use everything before making my decision but I intend to focus the most on the other mayor candidates. I disagree with Radfield's idea that there is a good chance some scum teams wont run for mayor. Unless the scum team has a group of players who don't think they can possibly win election then I think they will all send out at least 1 candidate, the benefits of having bodyguards is insanely good for mafia since they are also afraid of the other scum teams. And especially with there potentially being multiple roles which can block checks I doubt they will be that afraid to run. Because of this I believe the mayor candidates will have an above average % of scum. I want it to be clear, I would not policy lynch a random mayor candidate. I will look at everything closely in case anything is obvious but I will focus most of my attention on the runners. Pardoner I will never use my power to pardon anyone other than if some power is used. If I think someone is very strongly town I will argue my ass off in the thread to try and save them but I think pardoning them in most scenarios is only going to lead the town into confusion and the likely deaths of other townies. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6785 Posts
Greetings fair Liquidia! I am running for mayor of our glorious town. You should vote for me because I have a proven track record for scum hunting (please see DrH’s experimental game as an example). I have been mayor once before and the town won (please see Annul’s Harry Potter mafia). I have also died the past several games I’ve played night one. What does me dying have to do with the mayor? Because I’m the motherfucking inventor and I’d like all the help I can get so I can actually benefit the town. Now unlike the other candidates I come to you with concrete examples of what I’d do as mayor. For my first lynch I will obviously lynch dropbear (who just claimed scum so this shouldn’t even be a discussion). However dropbear is too easy so for academic purposes I’ll tell you who my second lynch target would be, the unlucky winner there is hiro protagonist for useless posting and contributing without contributing. If you have any questions at all about what I’d do as mayor please feel free to ask. I’ll also tell you an invention idea I had, it’s called the scum motion detector and it gives me the identities of every red who moves at night. Brilliant if I may say so myself. However this can only be assured by your vote. Think of your future, think of your town, say no to scum, VOTE FOR MEAPAK! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9B7wY.jpg) Meapak will save the day, biceps, sixpack, blue ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6lyKW.jpg) This is pretty much what will happen when Meapak is elected | ||
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
I think his heart is pure! In other news, we are surrounded by evil MAFIA! This means we have to be careful and we have to look beyond. | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
Dropbear I think is very likely to not be scum, he is just an idiot. First of all he clearly didn't claim scum he says we can work together to eliminate the 2 other scum factions. Implying that he is town and expects to be contacted by a 3rd mafia faction. Second of all what are the odds that he as scum claims in thread he is going to take framer and then posts that in thread to get ahold of other mafia? Why wouldn't he do it secretly and use pms to contact people he wanted to ally with? Exactly what mafia motivation does he have for doing these things? It is just a retarded gambit by db to lure scum out but really it has virtually 0% chance of success and its going to fuck up the thread. And I don't want to wake up to 10 pages of everyone screaming for his blood over this so I will just reveal it now. He told me this in irc. Here are the logs + Show Spoiler + [00:10] [00:10] [00:11] [00:11] [00:11] [00:11] [00:11] [00:11] [00:11] [00:12] [00:14] [00:14] [00:15] [00:17] [00:17] [00:17] [00:17] [00:17] [00:18] [00:18] [00:18] [00:18] So yea my advice is to ignore dropbear's idiocy. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
Syllo is damn right, all the platforms mean very little. We have to make sure town gets both positions and this is the way to do it. ##Vote: Mig for mayor It's optimal if we can get both elected, so if it seems we can spread out between both. | ||
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JACCUZISPLAT
Uzbekistan76 Posts
As for mayor. there are two of us. that's right. two of us. and we are town. that's right. town. I don't like chaosers platform because he's using past games as examples to elect him where really the most important part of the mayoral position is making the mayor TOWN. look through our posts and tell us we don't know what we're doing. ![[image loading]](http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news_img/20909/the_social_network_20909.jpg) | ||
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
Now let's sit down and think for a moment. What happens if two people who are always wrong share their wrongness? Are they double wrong? What is the definition of double wrong? Does this mean that they are so wrong that they will implode and suicide? Can I understand this as a soft-claim of you guys having picked Admiral Ackbar? Only time will tell. I have a reason to believe Syllogism is town, and I trust his judgement on Mig therefore. | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
You can talk to me and share my wisdom there. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
On October 14 2011 20:46 Scamp wrote: Trusting someone's judgement just because they are town is idiotic. On the contrary, at this point I have very little to go by except the election posts themselves. The only people I have been in contact with outside of this thread are Syllogism, Kitaman27 and DropBear. I have a reason to believe Syllogism is town. I also believe Syllogism has an excellent nose for Mig's alignment in PM games, so by extension Mig must be town. While I would myself rather talk directly to Mig, until I have been in contact with him, I find Syllogism's judgement to be good enough proof, seeing as he is one of the best players in this game. However, what is your purpose, trying to cloud my judgement, why do you step in to cast doubt upon something that I have good reasons to do? | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
 I am running for mayor I also think the likelihood of Mig being scum is fairly decent. I have never played with Mig before, but have watched him in the last 4 or so games he has played over the last few months. From what I can tell of Mig's town play, he tends to ooze green. He is assertive, vocal, active and generally searching for the optimum pro town strat. However, this game he has been conspicuously absent. I have posed this question to several players, as well as Mig himself. Here is his answer: + Show Spoiler + [10/13/2011 9:12:39 PM] Mig: and personally I dont think I need to latch onto anyone either [10/13/2011 9:12:43 PM] Mig: my play will speak for itself [10/13/2011 9:12:59 PM] Mike Hadfield: Here is my tip for you, if you are in fact town. [10/13/2011 9:13:36 PM] Mike Hadfield: Get into the thread and start building a presense. So far you have very little in the way of contributions, likely because you have been spending a lot of time in Skype. [10/13/2011 9:14:50 PM] Mike Hadfield: 'Mig' in my mind is a player who should be ardently pushing for the most pro-town plan he can find, and looking to optimize any role picking plan. So far you have been conspiciously absent from giving your views in thread on this stuff. [10/13/2011 9:18:59 PM] Mike Hadfield: cat got your tongue?  [10/13/2011 9:21:40 PM] Mig: yes! [10/13/2011 9:21:46 PM] Mike Hadfield: haha [10/13/2011 9:21:48 PM] Mike Hadfield: lol [10/13/2011 9:25:34 PM] Mike Hadfield: lol [10/13/2011 9:25:46 PM] Mike Hadfield: the suspence is killing me.... [10/13/2011 9:25:57 PM] Mig: Sands plan seems fine I discussed it a bit with him but I dont really have anything to add for it [10/13/2011 9:26:00 PM] Mig: rofl sorry [10/13/2011 9:26:04 PM] Mike Hadfield: haha [10/13/2011 9:26:05 PM] Mike Hadfield: lol Basically he spend 10 minutes typing and deleting responses after I made my statement(you can see when people type/delete stuff in skype). In fact, my entire conversation with Mig leads me to believe he is scum. I happy to pass along my skype log to interested parties. Here is another thing. How in the world can Sandro, Syllo and Mig all be 99% sure that the others are town at this stage of the game!? That makes no sense. However, there is one class of player who is eager to accept that other players are town. I'm speaking of course about Scum players. I questioned Mig about how he could be so certain Syllo was town, and he responded by saying that they had a long skype conversation, and despite the fact that most of what they discussed was non game related he is now confident in Syllo's alignment. + Show Spoiler [Mig's response] + [10/13/2011 9:01:48 PM] Mike Hadfield: Here's the real question: Why would you think anyone is for sure town at this state? In a set-up like this, scum can easily pass themselves off as townies, since there are ACTUAL other scum to hunt. No need to fake reads, no need to bullshit. Also, no plan that we have come up with yet is at all a threat to mafia, so they have no problem giving support. [10/13/2011 9:02:10 PM] Mig: yes its nothing game related really [10/13/2011 9:02:33 PM] Mig: its more of I have talked for many hours with syllo when he is scum and town and to me he seems very town f [10/13/2011 9:02:36 PM] Mig: from what I know of him [10/13/2011 9:02:42 PM] Mike Hadfield: so you are willing to make a pro-town read based of 'nothing game related'? [10/13/2011 9:02:43 PM] Mig: certainly more than anyone else right now for me [10/13/2011 9:03:08 PM] Mig: yes because its based on my personal knowledge of syllo [10/13/2011 9:03:47 PM] Mike Hadfield: nothing makes me think a player is scum more than them considering a player town, when there is no reason for them to do so. A Scum player who wants to run for mayor has very legitimate reasons to try and search out strong pro-town players, and latch onto them in a bid for joint candidacy. You then ride the coattails of the strong pro-town player into Office. I believe one or both of Syllo/MIg are attempting to do this. Sandroba, you need to explain yourself as well. Several days ago when we spoke, you indicated you would like to run for mayor, and that you would use your lynch power to kill one of the other players running for mayor. You felt there was a high likelyhood of anyone running for mayor to be scum. However, now you have two players, Mig and Syllo, running for mayor(read:more likely to be scum) who you are willing to go to the wall for and support 100%. That does not jive in my head. The idea that a player can be 99% sure of anyone else's alignment on Day 0 is silly. ANY decent player can use PMs to look like town on Day 1(or in this case day 0/day -1) because there is very very little to actually discuss. Not to mention in this game that problem is compounded, because scum actually have legitimate targets to scum hunt. So, if i'm elected mayor, will i auto-lynch Mig? The answer is no. I agree with Mig on some things, he is not particularly great at playing as scum, and he is good at showing himself as town aligned when he is town. So if he's not oozing green by day 2, we have a likely scum we don't even need a dt check for. This means the threat of him being in office is not great(like he said), but why would we waste an elected role on a player who so far has failed to contribute, and frankly is oozing red. Also, in the off chance Mig is green, he will likely have a strong role(pick #5), and taking a chance killing him at this stage is a poor town move. _____________________ Several players have stated it is a risk to have me in an elected position, because I am good as scum. This is false. If you look at my games as scum, I typically get detected very early on: In Closed Casked mafia I was on 3 or 4 peoples radar on Day 1 In LOTR mafia I was both shot and Dt checked by night 2 IN Salem mafia I was pegged 100% by Dr H, and basically the entire town thought I was scum by the end of the game Contrast that to my town play, and things look very different. I am good enough at establishing myself as a townie that I am generally left unmolested by town and able to do what I am good at, hunting scum. I am almost never up for lynch, and am able to keep town moving in productive directions. ________ Why should I be mayor? 1. Protection. I will die if I am not mayor. Look at games where I survived as town till the endgame, and you will find I was instrumental in the victory. The ability to have a clear thinking, strong townie down the stretch is extremely important. I drafted 11th, this basically means that I will not be receiving medic/doc protection, despite the fact that i have a good role, because we need our protection roles to focus on Meapak tonight. Given the fact that there are 12 players who all actively want me dead, my chances of living through the night are very slim. 2. Ability to find greens. This is my strongest trait as a pro-town player. I am generally very effective at parsing which players are green from the rest of the pack. 3. Ability to find reds. I actively admit there are probably better pure scumhunters than me in this game. However, I have lynched many a scum, and my ability to hunt directly corresponds to how much effort i can put into the game. In case you can't tell, I am putting an enormous amount of effort into this game. I absolutely love PYP games 4. I am not vanilla. I have a role which I will be able to leverage much better if I have the protection of mayor. I feel like I am the best candidate hands down. Assuming you DO NOT want to vote for me, here are my recommendations: Do not vote for Meapak or Jimbo. At picks 1 and 3 they have the ability to be extremely dangerous as mayor. Assuming they are town, meapak will have to rely on medic protection, and Jimbo on his own merits given the threat he has JOAT or Rockstar. Do not vote for the Mig/Syllo cabal. Chaoser is too low in the picking list, and likely does not have as important a role as the players higher up. Wiggles would probably be my choice. He is at the point in the draft where he likely has a decent role, but not high enough to have a high-powered mafia role. As far as who I would vote for, I agree 100% with Wiggles sentiments. I have very little idea right now of who I would lynch. As the day goes on we will accumulate far more info than we have now, as players are beginning to spotlight themselves. My choice will be a combo of my own thoughts along with input from the town. ##Vote Radfield __________ There are a lot of players running right now. If you are town, do not run if: a) you are vanilla b) you have dreamflower or doctor c) you have a defensive role This should go without saying. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
I'm not running for mayor, though I certainly would push for my election as well if I could do it at this juncture but the votes aren't there. Thus I'm doing the next best thing; attempting to elect someone who I've the strongest town read of. I think he has a better chance at getting elected, which is mostly why I'm not running myself. Can you please elaborate on what you think our alignments are? Do you think me and mig are scum buddies and just being extremely daring? You did mention that you think one or both of us is scum and trying to "to ride the coattails of the strong pro-town player into Office". Who is the strong pro-town player then and which one is latching onto him? Mig didn't even want to run and I pushed him into it. You aren't very consistent and coherent with your accusations, which is quite scummy. | ||
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JACCUZISPLAT
Uzbekistan76 Posts
On October 14 2011 20:55 Arctocod wrote: On the contrary, at this point I have very little to go by except the election posts themselves. The only people I have been in contact with outside of this thread are Syllogism, Kitaman27 and DropBear. I have a reason to believe Syllogism is town. I also believe Syllogism has an excellent nose for Mig's alignment in PM games, so by extension Mig must be town. While I would myself rather talk directly to Mig, until I have been in contact with him, I find Syllogism's judgement to be good enough proof, seeing as he is one of the best players in this game. However, what is your purpose, trying to cloud my judgement, why do you step in to cast doubt upon something that I have good reasons to do? 1.link me to a pm game where syllogism has found mig to be scum 2.prove a point 3.then maybe ill listen to you | ||
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JACCUZISPLAT
Uzbekistan76 Posts
On October 14 2011 21:59 sandroba wrote: I have my own reasons for not running and spreading out votes pretty much ensures scum gets elected. You can trust me when I say both syllo and mig are town and that makes them who should be elected. why | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On October 14 2011 21:59 sandroba wrote: I have my own reasons for not running and spreading out votes pretty much ensures scum gets elected. You can trust me when I say both syllo and mig are town and that makes them who should be elected. Not by this logic, unless the votes are spread waaaaay thin. Mafia are in groups of four, no way they can swing an election that much. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
also i think we need to narrow down the field of candidates so people should keep pushing for their candidacy or they should drop out. to all of the candidates that aren't mig, (radfield,wiggles,chaoser,kenpachi,meapak,jaccizisplat,sorryifi'mforgettinganybody) who would you like to see as pardoner if you win the election? | ||
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