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NotChezinu
Profile Joined September 2011
Zimbabwe61 Posts
October 02 2011 05:02 GMT
#881
On October 02 2011 13:58 Mig wrote:
NC you claimed Curu is manipulating me friend. If so I am sure he would tell his team not to RB me. Seems pretty logical to me.


/facepalm

I stated that he is manipulating you, yes! Very good!

Now think carefully, does he need you around all night to manipulate you? Is it worth the risk of say an inconvenient dt check to manipulate you? If curu had a strong blue read on you he loses only a few hours by roleblocking you, and avoids a risk.

You are reading way too much into being roleblocked. Curu had a blue read on you, the IRC log you posted confirms this, he decided to not run a risk. Stop being dense.
I am not Chezinu. Really. I am no role and all roles at once. Scum and Town. My alignment is unobserved.
Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
October 02 2011 05:07 GMT
#882
Discussing Mafia's motivations for night actions (ie roleblocking) will get you NOWHERE because everything that happens at night is WIFOM.

Furthermore, everything that mafia says is WIFOM. Which is why the main case agaisnt Curu is total crap, because most of it is based on what PALMAR said, not Curu.

Yes, Curu's quotes are in the analysis, but none of it is scummy. It simply shows that Curu is a confident player, which he is.

If you're sensible, you should stop eating NC's crap and vote for Incognito.
Enjoy your day.
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 02 2011 05:16 GMT
#883
lol is this serious?

Well here's my Skype log with Palmar:

[9/28/2011 11:09:15 AM] Charles Suo: hi palmar
[9/28/2011 12:43:29 PM] Charles Suo: hi palmar
[9/28/2011 12:43:45 PM] Palmar: sup
[9/28/2011 12:43:50 PM] Palmar: you're playing xlv?
[9/28/2011 12:44:05 PM] Charles Suo: yes
[9/28/2011 12:44:10 PM] Charles Suo: are you scum
[9/28/2011 12:44:16 PM] Palmar: I may or may not have accidentally told mig my role
[9/28/2011 12:44:24 PM] Palmar: because I didn't know he was playing
[9/28/2011 12:44:31 PM] Charles Suo: oh
[9/28/2011 12:44:38 PM] Charles Suo: lol
[9/28/2011 12:44:45 PM] Palmar: derp
[9/28/2011 12:44:48 PM] Charles Suo: indeed
[9/28/2011 12:44:54 PM] Palmar: you scum?
[9/28/2011 12:44:58 PM] Palmar: now you know I have a role!
[9/28/2011 12:45:10 PM] Charles Suo: i am town curu
[9/28/2011 12:45:13 PM] Charles Suo: which means you must be scum palmar
[9/28/2011 12:45:15 PM] Palmar: what kinda town?
[9/28/2011 12:45:23 PM] Charles Suo: the best kinda town
[9/28/2011 12:45:30 PM] Palmar: the scum-town?
[9/28/2011 12:45:50 PM] Palmar: I find it very scummy you're not willing to immediately claim to me
[9/28/2011 12:46:01 PM] Charles Suo: maybe I'm a mute breaking the rules
[9/28/2011 12:47:59 PM] Charles Suo: are you going to win LOTR
[9/28/2011 12:48:49 PM] Palmar: I don't think I am
[9/28/2011 12:48:53 PM] Palmar: isn't chaoser killing me?
[9/28/2011 12:49:20 PM] Charles Suo: maybe
[9/28/2011 12:49:27 PM] Charles Suo: but then as long as mafia doesnt hit you too youre aight!
[9/28/2011 12:49:31 PM] Palmar: yeah
[9/28/2011 12:49:35 PM] Palmar: are they gonna?
[9/28/2011 12:49:39 PM] Charles Suo: i dunno
[9/28/2011 12:49:42 PM] Palmar: ok
[9/28/2011 12:49:45 PM] Charles Suo: they always send their night actions in 10 mins before deadline
[9/28/2011 12:49:47 PM] Palmar: or some retard town checks me
[9/28/2011 12:49:53 PM] Palmar: also, this town

[REMOVED BECAUSE DISCUSSION OF LOTR MAFIA]

[9/28/2011 9:50:13 PM] Charles Suo: yay Palmar
[9/28/2011 9:50:15 PM] Charles Suo: you win!
[9/29/2011 6:22:30 AM] Charles Suo: are you scum
[9/29/2011 6:22:42 AM] Palmar: no
[9/29/2011 6:22:46 AM] Palmar: I think you are though
[9/29/2011 6:22:51 AM] Charles Suo: well im pretty obvious town
[9/29/2011 6:22:59 AM] Palmar: ...
[9/29/2011 6:23:24 AM] Charles Suo: wha
[9/29/2011 6:23:25 AM] Charles Suo: t
[9/29/2011 6:23:43 AM] Palmar: bitch,
[9/29/2011 6:24:21 AM] Charles Suo: incoming text wall
[9/29/2011 6:24:24 AM] Palmar: Look at your play in AA, now look back to this game, then look back to your play in AA, then back to this game. This game your play sucks, but if you started posting like non-scum you could look like you're town
[9/29/2011 6:24:31 AM] Charles Suo: lolol
[9/29/2011 6:24:33 AM] Palmar: but you're scum
[9/29/2011 6:24:42 AM] Charles Suo: AA was my first ever Mafia game as town bro
[9/29/2011 6:24:47 AM] Charles Suo: why you bringing that up
[9/29/2011 6:25:06 AM] Palmar: because that's the game I most distinctly remember you being town in
[9/29/2011 6:25:19 AM] Palmar: all other games I've been in with you I've been scum, so I haven't been reading the thread.
[9/29/2011 6:25:21 AM] Charles Suo: prolly cuz i spammed 200 posts in day 1
[9/29/2011 6:25:36 AM] Palmar: I don't actually read games when I'm scum
[9/29/2011 6:26:21 AM] Charles Suo: thats funny you werent reading this one either
[9/29/2011 6:26:26 AM] Charles Suo: although tbh neither have i
[9/29/2011 6:26:27 AM] Charles Suo: huh
[9/29/2011 6:26:34 AM] Charles Suo: but im town and you're probably not
[9/29/2011 6:28:44 AM] Charles Suo: is sinani mafia too
[9/29/2011 6:28:51 AM] Charles Suo: I really really wanna lynch him
[9/29/2011 6:28:51 AM] Charles Suo: again
[9/29/2011 6:29:53 AM] Palmar: yeah I'm not talking to you
[9/29/2011 6:29:56 AM] Palmar: you're scum.
[9/29/2011 6:30:08 AM] Palmar: Just noticed the order of your posts
[9/29/2011 6:30:10 AM] Palmar: against me
[9/29/2011 6:30:17 AM] Charles Suo: hm?
[9/29/2011 6:30:45 AM] Charles Suo: you have never incorrectly read me before except on purpose when you're scum
[9/29/2011 6:30:47 AM] Charles Suo: you must be scum
[9/29/2011 6:45:37 AM] Charles Suo: why are you so scummy
[9/29/2011 6:57:24 AM] Charles Suo: so palmero
[9/29/2011 6:57:27 AM] Charles Suo: was your role pm blue
[9/29/2011 6:57:43 AM] Palmar: yep
[9/29/2011 6:57:57 AM] Palmar: actually no
[9/29/2011 6:57:59 AM] Palmar: it had no color
[9/29/2011 6:58:05 AM] Palmar: it just said "BLU
wat
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 02 2011 05:16 GMT
#884
Also think to yourself why would Kurumi threaten to modkill me if we were both scum?
wat
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
October 02 2011 05:24 GMT
#885
Curu came online less than 10 minutes ago I asked him to post his logs and he did it. And I had only seen small parts of that. So uhhhh I guess he and palmar had already faked all of this just to be ready for this scenario? Holy shit what a sick plan!

And if anyone wants it here is my logs with palmar
+ Show Spoiler +

[9/28/2011 4:38:09 AM] Mig: palmar
[9/28/2011 4:38:12 AM] Mig: you are mafia arent you
[9/28/2011 9:16:03 AM] Palmar: in xlv?
[9/28/2011 9:16:09 AM] Palmar: no, town
[9/28/2011 9:17:03 AM] Mig: likely story
[9/28/2011 9:17:06 AM] Palmar: I'm blu pyro
[9/28/2011 9:17:07 AM] Palmar: wait
[9/28/2011 9:17:12 AM] Palmar: are you playing?
[9/28/2011 9:17:14 AM] Mig: yes
[9/28/2011 9:17:17 AM] Palmar: derp
[9/28/2011 9:17:26 AM] Mig: I have no idea if I should believe that or not lol
[9/28/2011 9:17:45 AM] Mig: lol you just claimed dt
[9/28/2011 9:17:54 AM] Palmar: if you're mafia
[9/28/2011 9:17:58 AM] Mig: nah I am town
[9/28/2011 9:18:02 AM] Palmar: fuck
[9/28/2011 9:19:09 AM] Palmar: if you're town
[9/28/2011 9:19:13 AM] Palmar: help me figure this out
[9/28/2011 9:19:16 AM] Palmar: oh wait
[9/28/2011 9:19:18 AM] Palmar: I got it
[9/28/2011 9:19:24 AM] Palmar: I'll just pm obvious townies that you know my role
[9/28/2011 9:19:40 AM] Palmar: meant to say something in the thread, but that's as good as claiming I have a role
[9/28/2011 9:20:27 AM] Mig: lol if you are actually dt that is great
[9/28/2011 9:20:33 AM] Palmar: anyway, is the thread worth reading?
[9/28/2011 9:20:43 AM] Mig: first 3 pages no
[9/28/2011 9:21:00 AM] Mig: actually everything but the end of page 12-13
[9/28/2011 9:21:02 AM] Mig: is worthless
[9/28/2011 9:21:04 AM] Palmar: I saw a bunch of people wanted to lynch me so I just went afk
[9/28/2011 9:22:17 AM] Mig: I have no idea if I should trust you or not
[9/28/2011 9:22:35 AM] Palmar: I know I should trust you
[9/28/2011 9:22:40 AM] Palmar: shouldn't
[9/28/2011 9:22:54 AM] Mig: yea thats fine it doesnt really matter whether you do or not
[9/28/2011 9:23:05 AM] Mig: if you are actually pyro its too late for you to decide
[9/28/2011 9:23:06 AM] Palmar: now you claim bitch
[9/28/2011 9:23:15 AM] Mig: I dont actually know if you are pyro
[9/28/2011 9:25:23 AM] Mig: the sick thing is you didnt realize we were both mafia in ace's game so maybe you are just careless enough to really not know?
[9/28/2011 9:25:43 AM] Mig: but on the other hand I know that you know that along with would you really not look at the player list if you were dt
[9/28/2011 9:25:46 AM] Mig: and just insta claim to me
[9/28/2011 9:26:10 AM] Palmar: good analysis.
[9/28/2011 9:26:15 AM] Palmar: I'm checking you night 1.
[9/28/2011 9:26:30 AM] Mig: lol
[9/28/2011 9:26:34 AM] Mig: lolol
[9/28/2011 9:27:07 AM] Mig: you are such a troll I really don't know what I should believe I guess I will be able to tell hopefully with how you play rest of the day
[9/28/2011 9:28:04 AM] Palmar: I don't intend to actually play
[9/28/2011 9:28:09 AM] Palmar: just pm people a bit
[9/28/2011 9:28:39 AM] Mig: k that sounds about right for mafia palmar
[9/28/2011 9:29:29 AM] Palmar: why even bother?
[9/28/2011 9:29:34 AM] Palmar: you're gonna murder me n1 anyway
[9/28/2011 9:29:43 AM] Mig: lolol
[9/28/2011 9:30:13 AM] Mig: sick story for not giving any effort
[9/28/2011 9:30:36 AM] Palmar: I mean, why do you bother trying to analyse me
[9/28/2011 9:31:36 AM] Mig: well that's a good question considering I expect to die n1 and I probably wouldn't try to lynch you/curu unless I was really sure but
[9/28/2011 9:31:39 AM] Mig: in the off chance I survive
[9/28/2011 9:31:55 AM] Mig: best that I know
[9/28/2011 9:32:20 AM] Palmar: wish I was a vigi, I'd just shoot you n1
[9/28/2011 9:32:21 AM] Palmar: just in case
[9/28/2011 9:33:03 AM] Mig: if you are actually town you should put effort in
[9/28/2011 9:34:14 AM] Mig: but I doubt you are town
[9/28/2011 9:34:14 AM] Palmar: I'm just gonna play exactly like in lotr
[9/28/2011 9:34:20 AM] Palmar: seems to be a good way to be not shot
[9/28/2011 9:34:37 AM] Mig: like even if you were disinterested I can't imagine you would be that careless
[9/28/2011 9:36:03 AM] Palmar: yeah you're no fun, and probably scum anyway
[9/28/2011 9:36:18 AM] Mig: lol
[9/28/2011 9:36:34 AM] Palmar: I'm gonna go see if jackal wants to talk to me
[9/28/2011 9:36:48 AM] Mig: he claimed mute in thread
[9/28/2011 9:37:12 AM] Palmar: oh, I thought he just didn't wanna talk to tnkted
[9/28/2011 9:37:15 AM] Palmar: and db
[9/28/2011 9:37:18 AM] Palmar: because of bads
[9/28/2011 9:37:19 AM] Mig: rofl
[9/28/2011 9:39:17 AM] Palmar: why does wbg think he's the shit?
[9/28/2011 9:39:34 AM] Mig: that's a good question
[9/28/2011 2:01:15 PM] Mig: palmar you make me sad that you are mafia
[9/28/2011 2:01:25 PM] Mig: I have no one to talk to
[9/28/2011 4:39:29 PM] Palmar: how about your team?
[9/28/2011 4:39:40 PM] Palmar: do they not want to talk with you?
[9/28/2011 4:39:49 PM] Palmar: Where is curu?
[9/28/2011 4:39:53 PM] Palmar: with lotr
[9/28/2011 4:39:56 PM] Palmar: did I die? win?
[9/28/2011 4:46:47 PM] Palmar: why does jackal think wbg is scum?
[9/29/2011 2:21:37 AM] Mig: you won lotr n
[9/29/2011 2:21:44 AM] Mig: now you should put effort into XLV
[9/29/2011 2:22:01 AM] Palmar: yay me!
[9/29/2011 2:22:03 AM] Palmar: jackal is scum
[9/29/2011 2:22:13 AM] Palmar: incog possibly too
[9/29/2011 2:22:20 AM] Palmar: curu possibly too
[9/29/2011 2:22:30 AM] Palmar: and probably some newbie/newbies
[9/29/2011 2:23:27 AM] Mig: hm hm
[9/29/2011 2:23:36 AM] Mig: wbg tho doesn't this look like he is overreacting so hard
[9/29/2011 2:23:41 AM] Mig: in lotr when a couple people voted him
[9/29/2011 2:23:44 AM] Mig: he didn't flip out
[9/29/2011 2:23:48 AM] Mig: he has posted literally like 30 times
[9/29/2011 2:23:56 AM] Mig: because of 2 votes on him
[9/29/2011 2:24:01 AM] Mig: in lotr he was calm and cool about it
[9/29/2011 2:24:11 AM] Mig: knowing there wasnt a real case there
[9/29/2011 2:24:11 AM] Palmar: "calm and cool" lol
[9/29/2011 2:24:16 AM] Mig: well
[9/29/2011 2:24:19 AM] Mig: in comparison
[9/29/2011 2:24:20 AM] Mig: to this
[9/29/2011 2:24:27 AM] Mig: where he went off the deep end
[9/29/2011 2:24:30 AM] Mig: to explode with 500 posts
[9/29/2011 2:25:37 AM] Mig: I agree with your point about jackal claiming mute being something he would do as mafia
[9/29/2011 2:25:43 AM] Mig: I told curu the same thing yesterday
[9/29/2011 2:25:43 AM] Palmar: yah, but it just seems counter-intuitive
[9/29/2011 2:25:54 AM] Palmar: like all he's doing is dragging suspicion onto himself
[9/29/2011 2:26:28 AM] Mig: well yea but you have to remember he is hot headed and new he isnt going to play 100% correctly as mafia
[9/29/2011 2:27:53 AM] Palmar: have you read his filter?
[9/29/2011 2:28:02 AM] Mig: I just read pages 16-20
[9/29/2011 2:28:24 AM] Palmar: Thing is, I don't think he's good enough to do what he's doing
[9/29/2011 2:28:43 AM] Palmar: he's not confident enough to be mafia and yet say "Well then vote me bitch" or "I dare you establish why I'm scummy"
[9/29/2011 2:29:38 AM] Mig: yea I noticied that line but once people do vote for him he freaks out
[9/29/2011 2:30:06 AM] Mig: doesnt that contradict with the attitude he is trying to display
[9/29/2011 2:31:04 AM] Palmar: are you scum?
[9/29/2011 2:31:28 AM] Palmar: he's the easy wagon, it's never the easy wagon.
[9/29/2011 2:32:22 AM] Mig: it is the easy wagon sometimes if someone outs themself but I haven't voted yet either I am still trying to figure out what is right
[9/29/2011 2:33:10 AM] Mig: and "easy wagon" he has 2 votes on him right now jackal has 3
[9/29/2011 2:35:21 AM] Mig: meh this sucks having just you and curu to talk to where is fucking syllo
[9/29/2011 2:35:33 AM] Palmar: lol
[9/29/2011 2:35:52 AM] Mig: like both the things you and curu tell me are vague and tell me basically nothing
[9/29/2011 2:36:04 AM] Palmar: he's scum
[9/29/2011 2:36:13 AM] Mig: yea he says the same about you
[9/29/2011 2:36:15 AM] Mig: great help
[9/29/2011 2:37:03 AM] Mig: where is the normal jackal defense btw when people call him out and he is scum doesnt he usually just completely blow them off
[9/29/2011 2:37:07 AM] Mig: and tell them to kiss his ass
[9/29/2011 2:37:23 AM] Mig: all his reponses to wbg were perfectly rational from his viewpoint
[9/29/2011 2:37:36 AM] Palmar: They have to be
[9/29/2011 2:37:59 AM] Palmar: after all, he's actively trying to get WBG lynched (which is to be honest a big green factor in my wbg book).
[9/29/2011 2:38:28 AM] Palmar: I'm not too sure what to read into incog's post
[9/29/2011 2:38:36 AM] Palmar: I guess it's a non-issue as lynching him day 1 would be dumb
[9/29/2011 2:38:53 AM] Palmar: he's good enough to reveal his alignment through simply posting
[9/29/2011 2:39:07 AM] Palmar: and lynching him case he's scum and not just lazy is not optimal
[9/29/2011 2:39:36 AM] Mig: incog'
[9/29/2011 2:39:50 AM] Mig: posts are fucking worthless
[9/29/2011 2:39:50 AM] Palmar: yeah, talking about incog
[9/29/2011 2:39:59 AM] Palmar: yes
[9/29/2011 2:40:13 AM] Palmar: But I don't wanna lynch him over it
[9/29/2011 2:40:25 AM] Mig: well obviously cant
[9/29/2011 2:40:34 AM] Mig: he added me on aim I havent had a chance to talk to him yet
[9/29/2011 2:40:40 AM] Palmar: I don't know
[9/29/2011 2:40:44 AM] Palmar: I can lynch a lot of people
[9/29/2011 2:40:48 AM] Mig: but hopefully tomorrow will get some clue
[9/29/2011 2:40:50 AM] Palmar: when I put my mind to it
[9/29/2011 2:40:58 AM] Mig: well I meant in terms of correct play
[9/29/2011 2:41:03 AM] Palmar: yeah
[9/29/2011 2:41:06 AM] Mig: I cant im agine it ever being right to lynch incog day1
[9/29/2011 2:41:06 AM] Palmar: of course.
[9/29/2011 2:41:13 AM] Palmar: yep, my point exactly
[9/29/2011 2:41:21 AM] Palmar: I'm actually trying not to be a dick in the thread this game
[9/29/2011 2:49:45 AM] Mig: man tho your initial reasoning for voting jackal
[9/29/2011 2:49:46 AM] Mig: so awful
[9/29/2011 2:50:01 AM] Mig: in ace's game all of jackals posts where he votes someone
[9/29/2011 2:50:04 AM] Mig: he says like half a sentence
[9/29/2011 2:50:12 AM] Mig: he voted wbg by just posting a picture
[9/29/2011 2:50:24 AM] Mig: and you use that as reasoning to vote for him and then use lotr meta as proof
[9/29/2011 2:51:49 AM] Mig: pretty much the worst meta argument I have ever seen just blatantly incorrect
[9/29/2011 2:52:04 AM] Palmar: read the other posts
[9/29/2011 2:52:15 AM] Mig: I just read all of his wbg and your posts again
[9/29/2011 2:52:36 AM] Mig: but all the reasons you actually listed in thread to vote jackal
[9/29/2011 2:52:39 AM] Mig: are straight incorrect
[9/29/2011 2:53:23 AM] Mig: like you went back to lotr to get that post of his to make your meta argument against jackal
[9/29/2011 2:53:27 AM] Mig: wouldnt you have also checked ace
[9/29/2011 2:53:30 AM] Mig: s
[9/29/2011 2:53:31 AM] Mig: game
[9/29/2011 2:53:35 AM] Mig: which just happened as well
[9/29/2011 2:53:59 AM] Palmar: I forgot that game, I also checked resurrection where he was scum
[9/29/2011 2:54:03 AM] Palmar: same thing, no informatino
[9/29/2011 2:54:16 AM] Mig: what
[9/29/2011 2:54:29 AM] Palmar: the point of it is he's stopping the flow of information
[9/29/2011 2:54:37 AM] Palmar: the meta argument is just to back it up for the newbies
[9/29/2011 2:54:45 AM] Mig: so you checked resurrection which is like 3 weeks old
[9/29/2011 2:54:52 AM] Mig: but ignored the game that just ended
[9/29/2011 2:55:01 AM] Mig: and forgot it wtf jackal was alive at the end
[9/29/2011 2:55:08 AM] Mig: we discussed at length about it
[9/29/2011 2:55:20 AM] Palmar: was jackal alive at the end in smg?
[9/29/2011 2:55:32 AM] Mig: he was the last person shot before game ended
[9/29/2011 2:55:36 AM] Palmar: I was scum in smg, I never actually read the threads when I'ms cum
[9/29/2011 2:55:45 AM] Palmar: so I didn't remember that one
[9/29/2011 2:56:30 AM] Mig: solid
[9/29/2011 2:56:35 AM] Mig: real solid
[9/29/2011 2:56:48 AM] Palmar: yeah, you're actively trying to stretch points
[9/29/2011 2:57:35 AM] Mig: k
[9/29/2011 2:58:08 AM] Palmar: can't tell if you're just putting on pressure to try and figure out if I'm scum, or if you're preparing to make a scummy-ass case against me
[9/29/2011 3:00:39 AM] Mig: I can't imagine you being town and not being able to tell my alignment right now
[9/29/2011 3:01:48 AM] Mig: we have played in enough games at this point I can't see how you would have doubts
[9/29/2011 3:04:27 AM] Palmar: That's so flawed
[9/29/2011 3:04:32 AM] Palmar: if I'm scum I already know your alignment
[9/29/2011 3:04:40 AM] Mig: well no shit
[9/29/2011 3:04:49 AM] Mig: but obviously you feign that you don't
[9/29/2011 3:05:21 AM] Palmar: but I'm town, and you're being terribly wrong about my motivations. Like you saw me do exactly the same thing to dropbear in xliv, where I take a simple meta argument and turn it into a case
[9/29/2011 3:05:37 AM] Mig: I saw you do the exact same thing day1 in personality
[9/29/2011 3:05:48 AM] Mig: where you made a terrible and incorrect meta argument against kurumi
[9/29/2011 3:06:00 AM] Mig: and I wanted to call you out as scum then but
[9/29/2011 3:06:03 AM] Mig: your other posts were good
[9/29/2011 3:06:06 AM] Mig: and I forgot about it
[9/29/2011 3:06:31 AM] Mig: but believe me I remembered it after
[9/29/2011 3:06:37 AM] Palmar: yeah
[9/29/2011 3:07:19 AM] Palmar: but about your alignment, aside from being wrong on almost every front (wbg scum, me scum, jackal town) I think you're town
[9/29/2011 3:07:35 AM] Palmar: btu I don't know if you're just being lazy or thick
[9/29/2011 3:08:03 AM] Mig: I am clearly not being lazy and everyting I have stated has been factually correct
[9/29/2011 3:08:18 AM] Mig: I havent stated whether wbg or jackal are scum yet
[9/29/2011 3:08:36 AM] Palmar: yes, but you're ignoring evidence that doesn't suit you, and you're using evidence that works for your point of view
[9/29/2011 3:08:47 AM] Palmar: you're bending evidence to fit the case, not bending the case to fit the evidence
[9/29/2011 3:09:01 AM] Mig: no I am not retard I don't have a case yet
[9/29/2011 3:09:10 AM] Mig: thats the entire point of talking to you is I am trying to make up my mind
[9/29/2011 3:09:12 AM] Palmar: Well you're acting like one
[9/29/2011 3:09:44 AM] Palmar: You say you read Jackal's filter.
[9/29/2011 3:09:56 AM] Palmar: he's basically ignored me and continued to focus on his interactions with bum
[9/29/2011 3:10:08 AM] Palmar: the best defense of jackal in the thread is that incog says both the wagons are terrible
[9/29/2011 3:10:30 AM] Palmar: which is going to be highly likely to be right regardless of incog's alignment
[9/29/2011 3:10:42 AM] Mig: huh
[9/29/2011 3:10:53 AM] Mig: if it's highly likely to be right why are you so certain of jackal
[9/29/2011 3:11:29 AM] Mig: but yea I can agree with that statement
[9/29/2011 3:11:31 AM] Palmar: because I think I'm more often right than incog
[9/29/2011 3:11:33 AM] Mig: concerning incog saying that
[9/29/2011 3:11:44 AM] Palmar: but that's the only big thing that's made me second-guess myself
[9/29/2011 3:11:50 AM] Mig: but that maybe putting incog on too high of a pedastal
[9/29/2011 3:11:54 AM] Palmar: yep
[9/29/2011 3:12:01 AM] Mig: he was incorrect and mislynched day1 on pypi
[9/29/2011 3:12:23 AM] Palmar: Well let's put it this way, he'd definitely say exactly that as mafia
[9/29/2011 3:12:30 AM] Palmar: but we can't lynch him today
[9/29/2011 3:12:38 AM] Palmar: he'd probably also say something similar as town
[9/29/2011 3:12:47 AM] Palmar: and then it comes down to whether or not I think he's right
[9/29/2011 3:12:54 AM] Mig: right
[9/29/2011 3:13:13 AM] Palmar: and until jackal's defense is something more than an omgus on wbg I'm not convinced he's right
[9/29/2011 3:14:08 AM] Palmar: but the chances of him being right are still significantly higher than most other people in the game
[9/29/2011 3:17:54 AM] Mig: yea its a really good point
[9/29/2011 3:18:41 AM] Palmar: you scum?
[9/29/2011 3:19:01 AM] Palmar: well here's wifom for you
[9/29/2011 3:19:10 AM] Palmar: I'm gonna check if incog burns tonight
[9/29/2011 3:19:20 AM] Palmar: at this rate, at least.
[9/29/2011 3:19:54 AM] Palmar: I don't think curu actually needs to be checked, he'll give himself away soon enough
[9/29/2011 3:21:19 AM] Mig: that would be useless
[9/29/2011 3:21:29 AM] Mig: what are the odds incog is mafia and not the gf
[9/29/2011 3:21:41 AM] Palmar: good point
[9/29/2011 3:27:55 AM] Palmar: ok just talked to curu he's scum.
[9/29/2011 3:28:14 AM] Palmar: and he's taking a page out of cheesekid's book, it's generally safe to tunnel me as people always think I'm scum
[9/29/2011 3:28:14 AM] Palmar: check it
[9/29/2011 3:28:23 AM] Palmar: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11570450
[9/29/2011 3:28:40 AM] Palmar: this is interesting, like you can say my argument against jackal and defense of wbg is bad
[9/29/2011 3:28:47 AM] Palmar: but this post actually comes before any of that.
[9/29/2011 3:29:16 AM] Palmar: I had actually said nothing in the thread before this post
[9/29/2011 3:29:31 AM] Palmar: asked people to add me on skype and said that I could ignore the game for a while.
[9/29/2011 3:30:28 AM] Mig: ok but so what we both know that curu trolls at the beginning as town/scum what do you take that post as serious
[9/29/2011 3:30:39 AM] Mig: he didnt vote for you he didnt make a case against you
[9/29/2011 3:30:44 AM] Mig: why are you looking so hard into nothing
[9/29/2011 3:31:03 AM] Mig: I think curu is shady on skype but that post is a throwaway joke comment
[9/29/2011 3:31:05 AM] Palmar: if he was trolling
[9/29/2011 3:31:12 AM] Palmar: why does it still apply'
[9/29/2011 3:31:13 AM] Palmar: ?
[9/29/2011 3:32:08 AM] Mig: you just gave like 6 reasons for why a 6 word comment makes curu scum
[9/29/2011 3:32:18 AM] Palmar: yeah?
[9/29/2011 3:32:29 AM] Palmar: and you actually have a problem with that?
[9/29/2011 3:32:45 AM] Mig: I have a problem with it being pointless its null
[9/29/2011 3:32:53 AM] Palmar: I figured out tnkted was town on 1 single word in cosmic horror mafia
[9/29/2011 3:33:07 AM] Palmar: and I forced a no-lynch to safe him, on 1 word.
[9/29/2011 3:33:17 AM] Palmar: it's the little things that give mafia away man
[9/29/2011 3:33:20 AM] Palmar: not the big stuff
[9/29/2011 3:33:40 AM] Mig: well agree to disagree I always try to look at cases as a whole
[9/29/2011 3:33:48 AM] Mig: instead of tunneling in on 1 single aspect
[9/29/2011 3:34:02 AM] Mig: curu is shady on skype and putting 0 effort into the game
[9/29/2011 3:34:22 AM] Mig: but him giving a throwaway line about you being scummy is nothing
[9/29/2011 3:34:34 AM] Palmar: Not when it's basis for tunneling later on
[9/29/2011 3:34:49 AM] Palmar: like, technically it could be bait and switch tactic, like I've sometimes done myself
[9/29/2011 3:34:58 AM] Palmar: but it doesn't look like he's actually refining
[9/29/2011 3:35:08 AM] Palmar: or working on his case, or actively seeking another one
[9/29/2011 3:36:43 AM] Mig: it's obvious he isn't trying but that comment doesnt show anything it is just curu being useless
[9/29/2011 3:37:54 AM] Palmar: well he still has the day to post a bit
[9/29/2011 3:38:10 AM] Palmar: Why are you putting so much emphasis on it being just that one comment
[9/29/2011 3:38:16 AM] Palmar: at the time, the comment was completely harmless
[9/29/2011 3:38:26 AM] Palmar: it's what he does after it that needs to be looked at
[9/29/2011 3:38:57 AM] Palmar: when the comment gives him an excuse to just keep tunneling without putting in any effort, without submitting reads
[9/29/2011 3:39:10 AM] Palmar: like, he comes back today with another one "I still wanna lynch Palmar"
[9/29/2011 3:39:38 AM] Palmar: yeah, I'm actually just going to switch my vote to Curu.
[9/29/2011 3:41:08 AM] Mig: I don't think curu plans out things as scum where he randomly says you are scummy so he can tunnel you later
[9/29/2011 3:41:39 AM] Palmar: no I don't think that was actually his plan
[9/29/2011 3:41:40 AM] Mig: but right now I think both of you are scummy
[9/29/2011 3:41:45 AM] Palmar: I just think it played out that way
[9/29/2011 3:41:50 AM] Palmar: and he seized the opportunity
[9/29/2011 3:42:00 AM] Palmar: he knows you think I'm scummy
[9/29/2011 3:42:19 AM] Palmar: so there is no reason for him to even consider it
[9/29/2011 4:04:54 AM] Palmar: so curu is confirmed scum now
[9/29/2011 4:05:10 AM] Mig: how
[9/29/2011 4:05:18 AM] Mig: I am seeing it the other way around actually
[9/29/2011 4:05:25 AM] Palmar: meh
[9/29/2011 4:05:28 AM] Mig: if he is mafia
[9/29/2011 4:05:36 AM] Mig: why did he post saying immediately that his role pm was all black
[9/29/2011 4:05:41 AM] Mig: unless he had a sample town pm
[9/29/2011 4:05:50 AM] Palmar: mine is all black btw
[9/29/2011 4:05:52 AM] Palmar: but yeah
[9/29/2011 4:06:09 AM] Mig: well yea I cant really believe that since you are saying it now but curu claimed it right away
[9/29/2011 4:06:23 AM] Palmar: yah whatever
[9/29/2011 4:06:35 AM] Mig: lolol poor palmar
[9/29/2011 4:08:56 AM] Mig: just curious how exactly did it ever make curu confirmed mafia?
[9/29/2011 4:09:13 AM] Palmar: because he wouldn't jump something so obvious if he wasn't looking so hard at it
[9/29/2011 4:09:34 AM] Palmar: if the mafia role pm actually had a red color in it
[9/29/2011 4:09:39 AM] Palmar: I'm going to murder kurumio
[9/29/2011 4:09:40 AM] Palmar: lol
[9/29/2011 4:10:16 AM] Mig: if he posts a red one pretty much 0% chance you don't get lynched
[9/29/2011 4:10:56 AM] Mig: I am trying to consider scenarios where you and curu could both be town now but curu seems really town unless he had a copy of the townie pm from kurumi beforehand
[9/29/2011 4:11:15 AM] Mig: I can't imagine he would claim in thread mine was black if he were mafia unless he knew for sure townies also got black
[9/29/2011 4:12:32 AM] Mig: and really the fact that instead of saying that you immediately went omg curu is scum
[9/29/2011 4:12:38 AM] Mig: makes you look ridiculously bad
[9/29/2011 4:21:14 AM] Palmar: BLU Pyro
BLU PyroMmhmhmhmhm p! Phphp ahah dishshhpners hherhe!

Alignment Detective. Spychecks people. They either burn or not. Thus, Pyro is given result BLU or RED. RED Spy comes back as BLU unless framed.
[9/29/2011 4:21:35 AM] Palmar: anyway
[9/29/2011 4:21:38 AM] Palmar: I'm off
[9/29/2011 4:22:19 AM] Mig: cya
[9/29/2011 4:22:29 AM] Palmar: please tell me
[9/29/2011 4:22:42 AM] Palmar: that this is the way he formatted all the messages
[9/29/2011 4:22:43 AM] Palmar: if not
[9/29/2011 4:23:00 AM] Palmar: I'm just going to break a rule and get modkilled
[9/29/2011 4:23:07 AM] Mig: yea it is mine is a straight copy/paste from the op
[9/29/2011 4:23:14 AM] Mig: similar to that
[9/29/2011 4:23:30 AM] Palmar: well it isn't a straight copy paste
[9/29/2011 4:23:32 AM] Palmar: you scum?
[9/29/2011 4:23:45 AM] Palmar: it has BLU Pyro twice in it
[9/29/2011 4:23:47 AM] Palmar: at the top
[9/29/2011 4:23:57 AM] Mig: oh you are right
[9/29/2011 4:23:59 AM] Mig: ok mine isnt like that
[9/29/2011 4:24:06 AM] Mig: mine is literally a completely straight copy
[9/29/2011 4:24:59 AM] Palmar: yeah I'm fucked, nice. (I actually thought he had pulled all the roles, and then pasted shit because mine is worded that way, I used it in the analysis post to try to confirm my role message as correct).
[9/29/2011 4:25:10 AM] Palmar: like first he pasted role name
[9/29/2011 4:25:14 AM] Palmar: then copy pasted all
[9/29/2011 4:25:30 AM] Palmar: don't point it out if yours isn't like that
[9/29/2011 4:26:37 AM] Mig: kurumi just said pms are in the op
[9/29/2011 4:27:45 AM] Mig: oh but red pyro if formatted similar to your pms lol
[9/29/2011 4:28:25 AM] Mig: that makes you look even worse
[9/29/2011 4:28:33 AM] Palmar: what?
[9/29/2011 4:28:45 AM] Mig: RED Pyro
RED Pyro is known for hit and run tactics. He will choose his victim and attack him from behind, then run away, leaving him to the after burn damage.
[9/29/2011 4:28:59 AM] Mig: red pyro is the only one that repeats the name
[9/29/2011 4:29:27 AM] Mig: if you yourself were the red pyro
[9/29/2011 4:29:40 AM] Mig: you could very easily have thought that was how the blue pyro would be formatted
[9/29/2011 4:30:18 AM] Palmar: that doesn't even make any sensr
[9/29/2011 4:30:23 AM] Palmar: anyway, said I'm off
[9/29/2011 4:30:28 AM] Mig: k cya
[9/29/2011 1:37:35 PM] Mig: if you are actually dt
[9/29/2011 1:37:39 PM] Mig: I will literally never forgive you
[9/29/2011 1:37:53 PM] Mig: it will be on the same level as aces game if you had cost us teh victory
[9/29/2011 3:05:35 PM] Mig: haha!
[9/29/2011 3:05:38 PM] Mig: death to palmar!


Palmar put up a pretty decent effort to convince me curu was scum. And like I said curu/palmar are fucking lazy as mafia. Anyone who has played with them in games should know this. You guys honestly think they both went through this ridiculous effort to fake so many things just for a day1 bus? I mean really?
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 02 2011 05:31 GMT
#886
The reason I didn't want to talk to WBG is because he's either playing like an idiot or scum. Why would I give my townreads to someone I don't want to discuss the game with.
wat
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
October 02 2011 05:42 GMT
#887
All right, since things are not confusing in here I would like to ask another question. I got PMd by somebody who never contributes in the thread, telling me there are a couple of people he trusts based on the color of PMs mess up that happened earlier. Now I would like to know what the fuck that was about if you guys do not mind, since it may be helpful in some way to untangle this , since someone out of our protagonists today should probably be involved in it.
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 02 2011 05:44 GMT
#888
And Erandorr and Mig can vouch for me being on my scumteam in XLIV. I raged hard at chaoser and Erandorr for doing nothing but busing teammates, and that was with 6 scum. Busing day 1 in a 4 scum game is even more retarded and completely not how I believe in playing as Mafia.

Incog and Kenpachi are almost definitely scum together. First off the only times that Kenpachi has ever posted a real case on anyone was when he was scum busing a teammate that was going to get lynched anyways. Kenpachi useless all of day 1 then comes in day 2 with a real, effort-driven analysis? lol. Me and Mig (mostly Mig) literally went through every Kenpachi game and this has always been the case.

Also:

On October 01 2011 10:08 Kenpachi wrote:
checking the time of this PM, it was 6:29 but i cant prove that unless i take a picture of my inbox but i wont do that cause thats cheating.


Why would a Townie ever give that much thought to PM times? That shouldn't even cross your mind when posting. So why does Kenpachi go so far to try to prove the PM time? Because he didn't actually receive that PM.

wat
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
October 02 2011 05:46 GMT
#889
Yea I would just like to point out look at curu's mafia games in MLP, WaW2, XLIV Curu practically never busses. In fact he goes to extremes to save his teammates such as when he hard defended me repeatedly in XLIV. So if you want to use the argument that palmar busses how about the fact that Curu virtually never does?
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Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
October 02 2011 05:52 GMT
#890
To clarify : the exact words were "Based on the color mess up I trust a specific couple of people and they trust me " So how is this possible please?
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
October 02 2011 06:25 GMT
#891
On October 02 2011 14:44 Curu wrote:
And Erandorr and Mig can vouch for me being on my scumteam in XLIV. I raged hard at chaoser and Erandorr for doing nothing but busing teammates, and that was with 6 scum. Busing day 1 in a 4 scum game is even more retarded and completely not how I believe in playing as Mafia.

Incog and Kenpachi are almost definitely scum together. First off the only times that Kenpachi has ever posted a real case on anyone was when he was scum busing a teammate that was going to get lynched anyways. Kenpachi useless all of day 1 then comes in day 2 with a real, effort-driven analysis? lol. Me and Mig (mostly Mig) literally went through every Kenpachi game and this has always been the case.

Also:

Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 10:08 Kenpachi wrote:
checking the time of this PM, it was 6:29 but i cant prove that unless i take a picture of my inbox but i wont do that cause thats cheating.


Why would a Townie ever give that much thought to PM times? That shouldn't even cross your mind when posting. So why does Kenpachi go so far to try to prove the PM time? Because he didn't actually receive that PM.


you're a fucking idiot
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
October 02 2011 06:29 GMT
#892
Look, i came home that night, saw Inkog's PMs and then read the thread. then i had a spark of thought and went through inkog's post.
Also, i am one to check the times of posts im analyzing all the time. If you didnt notice, TIME is the reason why i attacked inkog. I like to use time to compare posts in this thread and votes in the voting thread.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
October 02 2011 06:31 GMT
#893
Also it just doesnt make sense for me to be mafia.
Me, of all people, busing INKOGKNEETOE, of all people, and on top of that, hes not even defending himself from me. what the shit is this?
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
October 02 2011 06:32 GMT
#894
On October 02 2011 14:44 Curu wrote:
And Erandorr and Mig can vouch for me being on my scumteam in XLIV. I raged hard at chaoser and Erandorr for doing nothing but busing teammates, and that was with 6 scum. Busing day 1 in a 4 scum game is even more retarded and completely not how I believe in playing as Mafia.

Incog and Kenpachi are almost definitely scum together. First off the only times that Kenpachi has ever posted a real case on anyone was when he was scum busing a teammate that was going to get lynched anyways. Kenpachi useless all of day 1 then comes in day 2 with a real, effort-driven analysis? lol. Me and Mig (mostly Mig) literally went through every Kenpachi game and this has always been the case.

Also:

Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 10:08 Kenpachi wrote:
checking the time of this PM, it was 6:29 but i cant prove that unless i take a picture of my inbox but i wont do that cause thats cheating.


Why would a Townie ever give that much thought to PM times? That shouldn't even cross your mind when posting. So why does Kenpachi go so far to try to prove the PM time? Because he didn't actually receive that PM.


blatant lie. that was the only game we played together in. I do analyses as i please.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
October 02 2011 06:37 GMT
#895
Lol Ken calm friend I am the one who told curu that you always bus your teammates hella hard. In RTM and in XLIV you bussed all your teammates asap lol. So I told him you were probably scum. I could certainly be wrong tho I won't claim to know 100% you are mafia.
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
October 02 2011 06:40 GMT
#896
Curu should use his brain some more. just saying. All he did with that post accusing me was prove that he doesnt thoroughly read anything in the thread. he doesnt even do any analyzing and just tried to read my meta (l0l gl)
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
October 02 2011 07:40 GMT
#897
Hey my apologies for insulting sevryn. I was out of line and acting like a dick.

But everyone should take a little time and read my logs with palmar. There is probably 500 lines of dialogue there. Unless I spent hours and hours and hours faking debate and then also bussed Palmar day1 I am virtually guaranteed to be town. Obviously you shouldn't blindly follow what I say because I could still be wrong. But at least take the time to read my thoughts because at least you know I am town and not mafia trying to mislead you.

Now look at the evidence against Curu. It is incredibly weak and awful. Most of it is pure conjecture that he formed some master plan to bus palmar day1 when literally curu has never bussed his teammates ever as mafia. At most it proves that Curu may not be 100% confirmed townie but considering everything else he is easily very very likely townie.

Look at all the evidence that he is innocent - Playing history, chat logs with palmar, me being rbd after claiming to him, etc.

Now consider this Curu was 1 of the 2 main people who killed a scum day 1! Why the fuck are you trying to kill someone who killed a scum 1 day later? Do you lynch someone who shoots a scum the very next day? He is a good player and and very trusted by some townies mafia has to kill him or he will end up catching them. If he is somehow alive day 4 or 5 then sure take a second look at him but why the fuck are you trying to kill someone who killed a scum right now? Just because you are "hoping" he bussed Palmar day1? That is unbelievably dumb we should be killing people who haven't helped the town not people who actually killed scum!

So look at the mountain of evidence that shows Curu is innocent, look at the fact that he just yesterday killed a scum and look at the fact the only person who is even close to a confirmed townie is on his side. While the people targeting him (Incog, and NC are shady).

Do not lynch Curu now it would be an unbelievably huge mistake. It is fine if you don't trust him completely and you keep him under watch but man killing someone who is very likely town and killed a scum yesterday is just so so so bad.

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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
October 02 2011 08:21 GMT
#898
Right now I am very very suspicious of both NC and Incognito. You guys are both much better than this, you should know the Curu lynch is not proper play. I know for a fact you guys can not be 100% sure Curu is scum. If Curu is town he is incredibly likely to be shot by mafia. So why the fuck are you pushing him now after he lynched palmar instead of someone else? And I know NC is well aware of this look at this quote from a PM he sent me.


From: NotChezinu [ 47 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: mafia
Date: 10/1/11 02:09
I really wish you had saved your incog case till the morning, now if he is town mafia won't shoot him.


I am sure you will respond with well your case was during the night which is different. And to an extent I agree but really if Curu is town he will be killed by the mafia its just a matter of time. So why the rush to kill him now? Especially when there is no way you are even close to 100% sure?

I really find it so hard to believe that you guys think the Curu lynch is correct. I mean you say you want to kill curu for pushing mafia agendas???!? He lynched scum day1 wtf! Just what does he have to do to not push mafia agendas in your eyes?

Oh also did you guys even consider that Palmar was their pyro? If mafia chose to bus someone why the fuck did they choose their pyro?? Why not bus a goon??? A normal bus wasn't enough had to kill off their kp as well? I mean do you guys really believe mafia would bus their own kp day1?

I really cannot believe that both of you can have overlooked this many things. 1 of NC/Incognito is guaranteed scum and may have influenced the other but it is very likely they are both scum.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
October 02 2011 08:34 GMT
#899
The more I think about it the more I am amazed at just how awful your case against Curu is. I mean really mafia bussing their own kp on day1? When in the history of mafia has that ever happened?

I cannot possibly believe that you guys are this bad as town.
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supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 02 2011 08:35 GMT
#900
On October 02 2011 10:59 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 10:46 Sevryn wrote:
tbh I think he was trying to get a ton of people to pm erandorr and then he asked erandorr who he was talking to trying to figure out who could pm trying to mute hunt...

Hmmm, Supersoft did something like this, he PMed me about who I was talking to in PMs before the lynch, and later in the thread asked me again. Almost as if he was picking up where Incog started. I really don´t see how this information could be of any use, except to try and find mason-circles and Mutes, which is why I am reluctant to share.

Has anyone else gotten a lot of questions from Supersoft?


Are you serious?
I sent you exactly two PMs. One where I demanded the names and one where I asked you if you are muted right after you fake aimed at night.
"a lot of questions"...

This Curucase doesn't convince me. I don't need to say more about that. Mig already pointed out the main weakness: It's an extremely complex plan and if they don't planned it beforehand, it has very likely not happened.

I am not convinced of the Icognitocase either. Basically prplhz death makes me doubt that Icognito is scum. Can't give further explanations right now. I'll think about it.
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