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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On October 02 2011 11:07 wherebugsgo wrote: Forumite if you were to pick one person who was most scummy who would that person be? You. Tnkted said he had more or less confirmed you as Town, but I still haven´t gotten a PM about his reasoning. Until I get it, from you, tnkted or someone else, both you and tnkted look bad. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
sitting in a tree V-O-T, I-N-G" Sec, reading case on Curu. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
SOOO AWESOME ![[image loading]](http://th04.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2011/051/6/8/rainbow_dash_i_wub_woo_face_by_flowerjewel-d3a1g2k.png) [4:11:05 PM] wherebugsgo: yo [4:11:14 PM] wherebugsgo: are you available now? [4:11:21 PM] Curu: yeah [4:11:27 PM] wherebugsgo: alright [4:11:59 PM] wherebugsgo: so are you going to pressure Forumite in the thread? [4:12:02 PM] Curu: no [4:12:08 PM] wherebugsgo: why's that? [4:12:13 PM] Curu: cause I'd rather lynch incog [4:12:20 PM] wherebugsgo: okay forget incog for a second [4:12:29 PM] wherebugsgo: for all intents and purposes he's getting lynched [4:12:46 PM] wherebugsgo: if he's mafia we need to look at other players in the game [4:12:51 PM] wherebugsgoa: you said you suspect Forumite [4:13:12 PM] Curu: if he's Mafia I'd reread and prolly go after someone else based on what came up [4:13:19 PM] Curu: putting Forumite on the backburner for now [4:13:29 PM] wherebugsgo: so you don't think Forumite is scum? [4:13:51 PM] Curu: it's a possibility but it's not urgent [4:13:58 PM] wherebugsgo: but incog is urgent... [4:14:03 PM] Curu: yes [4:14:04 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [4:14:08 PM] wherebugsgo: so then why would you wait [4:14:10 PM] wherebugsgo: until he flips [4:14:12 PM] wherebugsgo: to look for information? [4:14:21 PM] wherebugsgo: why not do it now so we're not wasting time? [4:14:22 PM] Curu: cause I don't know 100% that he is mafia [4:14:30 PM] Curu: and I'd rather not waste time reading the thread until aftert he flips [4:14:31 PM] wherebugsgo: right so if you don't know if he's 100% mafia [4:14:39 PM] wherebugsgo: shouldn't we be doing something to determine who is mafia? [4:14:43 PM] wherebugsgo: and if incog is the right lynch? [4:14:50 PM] Curu: he's the right lynch [4:14:53 PM] wherebugsgo: wtf [4:15:03 PM] Curu: no one else looks scummier [4:15:06 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [4:15:07 PM] Curu: am I 100% sure he is scum? no [4:15:12 PM] wherebugsgo: alright so outline [4:15:12 PM] Curu: would I give him the highest chance to flip scum? prolly [4:15:13 PM] wherebugsgo: what you would do [4:15:15 PM] wherebugsgo: if he flips scum [4:15:18 PM] wherebugsgo: and if he flips town [4:15:19 PM] Curu: I don't know [4:15:23 PM] Curu: I'd have to decide after he flips [4:15:25 PM] wherebugsgo: no [4:15:28 PM] wherebugsgo: that's stupid [4:15:29 PM] wherebugsgo: you can't have absolutely no idea [4:15:33 PM] wherebugsgo: what you'd do [4:15:35 PM] wherebugsgo: until he flips [4:15:39 PM] Curu: why not? [4:15:50 PM] wherebugsgo: because that suggests you're not thinking in advance [4:15:59 PM] wherebugsgo: and that you basically don't give a shit about the rest of this day right now [4:16:18 PM] Curu: Not much is going to change my mind on Incog [4:16:31 PM] Curu: and I'd rather wait till more info comes up [4:16:37 PM] Curu: before dedicating myself to searching for more stuff [4:16:37 PM] wherebugsgo: and what's wrong [4:16:43 PM] wherebugsgo: with trying to find that information? [4:17:04 PM] Curu: cause it's much more relevant and worth the time after I know for sure what he is [4:17:13 PM] wherebugsgo: so right now [4:17:14 PM] wherebugsgo: we should do nothing [4:17:16 PM] wherebugsgo: is what you're saying [4:17:21 PM] Curu: I'm doing stuff [4:17:22 PM] wherebugsgo: lol [4:17:41 PM] wherebugsgo: you mean, talking to Mig? [4:17:48 PM] Curu: mmhmm [4:17:50 PM] Curu: some others too [4:17:50 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [4:18:26 PM] Curu: I've gone through pretty much everyone I might want to lynch today [4:18:30 PM] Curu: and my conclusion is Incog [4:18:35 PM] wherebugsgo: and no second choice [4:18:35 PM] Curu: there's a reason I waited so long to vote [4:18:36 PM] wherebugsgo: ? [4:18:37 PM] wherebugsgo: lol [4:18:42 PM] wherebugsgo: literally no second choice [4:18:43 PM] Curu: why do I need a second choice [4:18:47 PM] wherebugsgo: in case you're wrong [4:18:57 PM] Curu: in case I' [4:19:00 PM] Curu: m wrong I can't go back in time [4:19:02 PM] Curu: and change the lynch [4:19:08 PM] wherebugsgo: actually you could [4:19:12 PM] wherebugsgo: cause the lynch hasn't started yet [4:19:18 PM] wherebugsgo: we haven't lynched incog yet [4:19:31 PM] wherebugsgo: so saying you're not going to find anyone scummier than him [4:19:38 PM] wherebugsgo: when we have 23 hours left [4:19:44 PM] Curu: nope [4:19:44 PM] wherebugsgo: is just stupid [4:19:48 PM] Curu: I've gone through everyone I want to [4:19:54 PM] Curu: my conclusion is Incog [4:20:08 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [4:20:08 PM] wherebugsgo: so [4:20:14 PM] wherebugsgo: 1. you think he's most likely scum [4:20:19 PM] wherebugsgo: 2. you're not 100% confident he's scum [4:20:32 PM] wherebugsgo: 3. but you're not willing to take into account you might be wrong before lynching him [4:20:41 PM] wherebugsgo: 4. so you're basically lynching him regardless of his alignment [4:20:53 PM] Curu: what do you want from me [4:20:57 PM] Curu: I think he is scummiest [4:20:59 PM] Curu: so I want to lynch him [4:21:02 PM] Curu: that's all there is to it [4:21:05 PM] wherebugsgo: no, it isn't [4:21:09 PM] Curu: I'm not going to push Forumite when Id on't want Forumite lynched today [4:21:11 PM] wherebugsgo: you can't have no other scum reads [4:21:20 PM] Curu: I do have other scum reads [4:21:20 PM] wherebugsgo: okay let's imagine [4:21:29 PM] Curu: But I am not going to push them or post them until after Incog dies [4:21:29 PM] wherebugsgo: incog gets lynched [4:21:42 PM] wherebugsgo: who do you push tomorrow? [4:21:44 PM] wherebugsgo: you seriously haven't thought about that? [4:22:04 PM] wherebugsgo: why is it that [4:22:05 PM] wherebugsgo: pushing someone [4:22:13 PM] wherebugsgo: automatically means you want to lynch them TODAY? [4:22:31 PM] wherebugsgo: you can push them if you think they're scum, regardless of whether you think someone else is scummier [4:22:34 PM] wherebugsgo: your logic isn't making sense [4:22:35 PM] Curu: I have thought about it [4:22:40 PM] Curu: why would I post something for tomorrow' slynch [4:22:40 PM] Curu: now [4:22:52 PM] wherebugsgo: -_- [4:22:59 PM] wherebugsgo: because you need to discuss possibilities [4:23:00 PM] wherebugsgo: I'm not saying [4:23:04 PM] wherebugsgo: you need to put into stone [4:23:08 PM] wherebugsgo: who we're going to lynch tomorrow [4:23:15 PM] Curu: or I can discuss possibilities after Incog flips and I know which alignment he is [4:23:23 PM] wherebugsgo: okay look [4:23:31 PM] wherebugsgo: there aren't fifty different alignments Incog could flip [4:23:33 PM] wherebugsgo: there's only two [4:23:34 PM] wherebugsgo: therefore [4:23:38 PM] wherebugsgo: you can discuss both possibilities NOW [4:23:46 PM] wherebugsgo: rather than wait and waste 20+ hours [4:23:47 PM] wherebugsgo: of doing nothing [4:23:53 PM] wherebugsgo: which it seems you are perfectly content in doing [4:24:05 PM] wherebugsgo: ex. [4:24:12 PM] wherebugsgo: if Incog flips town does that make Forumite scummier? [4:24:14 PM] wherebugsgo: if he flips mafia? [4:24:18 PM] Curu: nope [4:24:29 PM] wherebugsgo: so incog's alignment has no bearing on your read on Forumite? [4:24:37 PM] Curu: nope [4:24:42 PM] wherebugsgo: okay so then why aren't you pushing him now? [4:25:04 PM] wherebugsgo: if incog's alignment has no bearing on your read of forumite [4:25:07 PM] Curu: why would I push him now [4:25:08 PM] wherebugsgo: you don't need to wait to see incog flip [4:25:10 PM] Curu: Id on't want him lynched now [4:25:12 PM] wherebugsgo: LOL [4:25:15 PM] wherebugsgo: okay so [4:25:18 PM] wherebugsgo: you first said [4:25:24 PM] wherebugsgo: you didn't want to discuss things now because Incog hasn't flipped yet [4:25:41 PM] wherebugsgo: then you say you don't want to discuss Forumite not because of Incog but because you don't want to lynch him now [4:25:51 PM] wherebugsgo: you say he's scummy to you [4:26:00 PM] wherebugsgo: if he's scum you'll have to lynch him eventually [4:26:05 PM] wherebugsgo: makes no sense to waste time [4:26:10 PM] Curu: maybe I don't think he's scum anymore [4:26:12 PM] Curu: maybe I do and am lazy [4:26:13 PM] Curu: who knows! [4:26:18 PM] wherebugsgo: so you're content [4:26:26 PM] wherebugsgo: with this [4:26:27 PM] wherebugsgo: ? [4:26:29 PM] Curu: yep [4:26:35 PM] wherebugsgo: alright [4:26:36 PM] wherebugsgo: besides Mig [4:26:42 PM] wherebugsgo: who else are your townreads? [4:28:01 PM] Curu: I'd rather not share that [4:28:09 PM] wherebugsgo: mmkay [4:28:22 PM] wherebugsgo: and I guess you're not willing to share who you're PMing, either? [4:28:45 PM] Curu: you don't benefit from that information anyways if you're Town [4:28:56 PM] wherebugsgo: who says I don't? [4:28:58 PM] wherebugsgo: anyway [4:29:01 PM] wherebugsgo: what do you think [4:29:02 PM] wherebugsgo: of NotChezinu? [4:29:29 PM] Curu: he's probably not Chezinu [4:29:39 PM] Curu: and probably not GM either [4:29:52 PM] wherebugsgo: what makes you say that? [4:30:01 PM] wherebugsgo: what alignment do you lean? [4:30:03 PM] Curu: cause I talked to GM about other stuff [4:30:12 PM] Curu: nothing he has done makes me think he is Town or sucm [4:30:16 PM] wherebugsgo: sooo [4:30:17 PM] wherebugsgo: null [4:30:36 PM] Curu: yep [4:30:58 PM] wherebugsgo: is there anyone other than Incog or Forumite you think is possibly scum? [4:31:30 PM] Curu: wont know till he flips! [4:31:45 PM] wherebugsgo: alrighty then [4:31:58 PM] wherebugsgo: I think that's all [4:32:02 PM] wherebugsgo: feel free to PM me if you have questions ![[image loading]](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XDmiW2bMOZ8/Tf5lYPbuNEI/AAAAAAAALxw/6ftiVeg8bpk/s1600/hydra%252C+totus.jpg) ##unvote Incognito ##vote Curu | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
Curu has asked me to claim my role to him, and he´s done that twice. I´m not sure if it´s Mutefishing, because if I´m Mute, then i can´t claim to him anyway. In one of those PMs, he called himself "pretty much 110% confirmed Town." | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
A) I can virtually guarantee nothing came up in Palmar's life that theory is completely wrong. B) Curu did not in any way whatsoever manipulate me lol. Everything I posted against palmar and incognito I came up with on my own. Curu is not some insane mastermind pulling my strings I decided on my own both palmar and incog were scummy before he ever said anything to me and I did all my research on them. C) The point about emphasizing him and palmar being opposite alignments is just lol. Of course curu doesn't think that is a serious reason to vote palmar. That has been a running joke for like the last 4 games. D) WBG's post doesn't make curu look scummy in anyway and is just lol. I will talk to some people that I trust and reconsider everything but right now I am way way more confident in an incog lynch than curu lynch. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On October 02 2011 06:37 Forumite wrote: As for the latest PM, I choose the option 5 and B. To the one concerned, I need to know if Curu, or anyone else, knows about the plan. Could you PM me, please? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
[12:59:38 PM] wherebugsgo: yo you free? [1:00:05 PM] Curu: about to go out [1:00:06 PM] Curu: actually [1:00:15 PM] wherebugsgo: 2 minutes? [1:00:20 PM] Curu: sure [1:00:29 PM] wherebugsgo: kk so since the town is full of derps I'd figure I'd ask you [1:00:31 PM] wherebugsgo: what you think of Forumite [1:00:42 PM] Curu: I don't think he can play this retarded as Town [1:00:47 PM] Curu: But Mig thinks he is retard Townie [1:00:53 PM] Curu: and he is better than me at separating them from scum [1:01:08 PM] wherebugsgo: are you going to make a case on him in the thread? [1:01:28 PM] Curu: i made one [1:01:37 PM] wherebugsgo: link? [1:02:36 PM] Curu: uh [1:02:37 PM] wherebugsgo: actually just repost it [1:02:38 PM] Curu: it was sometime during the night [1:02:43 PM] Curu: i really gotta go [1:02:44 PM] Curu: lol [1:02:54 PM] wherebugsgo: kk bye [1:03:26 PM] wherebugsgo: wait wait hold on just remembered [1:03:38 PM] wherebugsgo: are you more confident in incog or forumite? [1:04:03 PM] Curu: my thoughts are kinda the same as erandorrs surprisingly [1:04:05 PM] Curu: the post he just made [1:04:06 PM] Curu: incog is so bad [1:04:10 PM] Curu: town or scum his play is so bad [1:04:15 PM] Curu: but bad play is probably more scum [1:04:29 PM] Curu: Forumite I kind of expect it [1:04:47 PM] Curu: I would prolly lynch Incog at this point [1:04:58 PM] wherebugsgo: but do you prefer Forumite? [1:05:20 PM] Curu: eh [1:05:21 PM] Curu: no [1:05:26 PM] Curu: if incog flipped town id probably want jcarl [1:05:43 PM] wherebugsgo: you don't prefer Forumite because of Mig? [1:06:09 PM] Curu: there are some aspects of his play that just looks like retard town [1:06:23 PM] wherebugsgo: but you just said you think he's scum? [1:06:50 PM] Curu: no I said he is playing like a retard [1:06:58 PM] Curu: and it's pretty bad if he is Town [1:07:04 PM] Curu: but it's not beyond the realm of possibility [1:07:57 PM] wherebugsgo: hmmm [1:08:04 PM] wherebugsgo: okay well I still think you should pressure Forumite [1:08:13 PM] wherebugsgo: since if he is indeed mafia he's slipping under the radar thanks to this incog shit [1:08:21 PM] Curu: jcarl erandorr were pretty scummy [1:08:39 PM] Curu: incog scum means jcarl prolly town tho [1:08:41 PM] Curu: bye [1:08:52 PM] wherebugsgo: k when you get back let's talk a little more this earlier one was from 7 hours ago. | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
You don't think that's half assed, Mig? | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On October 02 2011 11:56 Mig wrote: My last 2 games I played with Curu and scum and Palmar as scum. They do not come up with these ridiculously intricate plans at all lol. Especially Palmar who hates being scum so much and puts absolutely no effort in everytime he is scum. You pointed out that palmar attacks his teammates a lot day 1, which is true but look at the attacks they are always completely half assed. This doesn´t contradict the case. If Palmar hates being Scum and usually does FoS on teammates, then sacrificing himself, and making a half-assed attempt to get Curu lynched before dying fits the profile and the case perfectly. It´s not an intricate plan from Palmars perspective, although Curu manipulating since is perhaps a bit farfetched. | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
I am just laughing at this I mean lets use some common sense here, which is more likely curu/palmar monsterous bus master scheme? Or uh how about curu is just town? Most times the simplest answer is the correct one. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On October 02 2011 12:05 Mig wrote: Everything palmar did this game was half assed. Including his attack on Jackal and all the times I talked to him on skype. I don't think he decided to half ass everything and at the same time come up with this ridiculous plan with curu. I am just laughing at this I mean lets use some common sense here, which is more likely curu/palmar monsterous bus master scheme? Or uh how about curu is just town? Most times the simplest answer is the correct one. Again, you didn't take part in Cosmic. This bus is exactly like how Jackal bussed JeeJee. Curu even alluded to Jackal possibly being scum because of how Palmar FoSed him day 1 | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
[9/29/2011 3:43:54 PM] Charles Suo: so are you an engineer [9/29/2011 3:43:57 PM] Charles Suo: you should prolly heal me\ [9/29/2011 3:45:57 PM] Mig: I am a fucking vt [9/29/2011 3:45:59 PM] Mig: of course [9/29/2011 3:46:06 PM] Charles Suo: oh [9/29/2011 3:46:06 PM] Charles Suo: damn [9/29/2011 3:46:07 PM] Mig: drawing a hit like a fucking champ as usual Here is where I claimed on skype right after palmar lynch incase anyone doubts. | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
[6:57:24 AM] Charles Suo: so palmero [6:57:27 AM] Charles Suo: was your role pm blue [6:57:43 AM] Palmar: yep [6:57:57 AM] Palmar: actually no [6:57:59 AM] Palmar: it had no color [6:58:05 AM] Palmar: it just said "BLU [9/28/2011 11:09:15 AM] Charles Suo: hi palmar [9/28/2011 12:43:29 PM] Charles Suo: hi palmar [9/28/2011 12:43:45 PM] Palmar: sup [9/28/2011 12:43:50 PM] Palmar: you're playing xlv? [9/28/2011 12:44:05 PM] Charles Suo: yes [9/28/2011 12:44:10 PM] Charles Suo: are you scum [9/28/2011 12:44:16 PM] Palmar: I may or may not have accidentally told mig my role [9/28/2011 12:44:24 PM] Palmar: because I didn't Palmar did role claim to me as soon as the game started and tried to pass it off as a mistake which I called him out on for being bs because there was no way he would fuck up badly enough to claim dt to me at the start of the game. [9/28/2011 4:37:59 AM] Mig: palmar [9/28/2011 4:38:02 AM] Mig: you are mafia arent you [9/28/2011 9:15:54 AM] Palmar: in xlv? [9/28/2011 9:15:59 AM] Palmar: no, town [9/28/2011 9:16:53 AM] Mig: likely story [9/28/2011 9:16:55 AM] Palmar: I'm blu pyro [9/28/2011 9:16:56 AM] Palmar: wait [9/28/2011 9:17:02 AM] Palmar: are you playing? [9/28/2011 9:17:04 AM] Mig: yes [9/28/2011 9:17:06 AM] Palmar: derp [9/28/2011 9:17:16 AM] Mig: I have no idea if I should believe that or not lol [9/28/2011 9:17:35 AM] Mig: lol you just claimed dt [9/28/2011 9:17:44 AM] Palmar: if you're mafia [9/28/2011 9:17:48 AM] Mig: nah I am town [9/28/2011 9:17:52 AM] Palmar: fuck [9/28/2011 9:18:59 AM] Palmar: if you're town [9/28/2011 9:19:03 AM] Palmar: help me figure this out [9/28/2011 9:19:05 AM] Palmar: oh wait [9/28/2011 9:19:07 AM] Palmar: I got it [9/28/2011 9:19:14 AM] Palmar: I'll just pm obvious townies that you know my role [9/28/2011 9:23:06 AM] Mig: I dont actually know if you are pyro [9/28/2011 9:25:13 AM] Mig: the sick thing is you didnt realize we were both mafia in ace's game so maybe you are just careless enough to really not know? [9/28/2011 9:25:33 AM] Mig: but on the other hand I know that you know that along with would you really not look at the player list if you were dt [9/28/2011 9:25:36 AM] Mig: and just insta claim to me [9/28/2011 9:26:00 AM] Palmar: good analysis. [9/28/2011 9:26:04 AM] Palmar: I'm checking you night 1. [9/28/2011 9:26:20 AM] Mig: lol [9/28/2011 9:26:24 AM] Mig: lolol [9/28/2011 9:26:57 AM] Mig: you are such a troll I really don't know what I should believe I guess I will be able to tell hopefully with how you play rest of the day | ||
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Sevryn
698 Posts
anywho thats a really interesting case on curu you have there. lets see what he has to say for himself ##vote curu | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
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Erandorr
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