EPTIt doesn´t change the fact that I´d appreciate Medic Attention tonight, but on me specifically, and not either me or Jackal.
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
It doesn´t change the fact that I´d appreciate Medic Attention tonight, but on me specifically, and not either me or Jackal. | ||
Mig
United States4714 Posts
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On September 30 2011 18:59 Mig wrote: Forumite why did you post saying vigs should hold their shots then shoot/fakeshoot WBG? What was the point of that? To be honest, I didn´t have much time to think it through, I needed to do it right away, or not at all, so I went for it. I still think vigis should hold their shots and make damn sure before they fire, but since I´m not a vigi, that doesn´t apply to me. | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
you are absolutely not making any sense at all to me. first, why did you decide to fake a vigi shot in the thread? was it for the lulz or did you actually have a reason for it? second, why do you want medic protect, don't you realize that most people probably think that you are scum right now? | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On September 30 2011 07:50 wherebugsgo wrote: Incog is probably GF if he's mafia, a check on him is useless. Checking Forumite or Jackal would be far better IMO. on what do you base your assumption that incog is gf? | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On September 30 2011 19:59 risk.nuke wrote: on what do you base your assumption that incog is gf? WBG directing checks is very pro-Scum, since there´s a framer in the scumteam. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 30 2011 20:12 Forumite wrote: WBG directing checks is very pro-Scum, since there´s a framer in the scumteam. Forumite, you just shat on your credibility. You fake claim sniper, cause a whole ruckus, and then ask for medic protection? Why would a medic want to protect you? Are you trying to pull the medics away from town's high priority members so that a shot can actually go through? If you were town, I can somewhat understand your reasoning behind it, but still... Due to you and Jackal, now scum has an easier chance of hittin/RBing the sniper because they now know 2 players who they don't want to hit -_- | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On September 30 2011 07:39 Incognito wrote: In case you haven't noticed I replied to your post. Do you have anything else to add to our little discussion? yea we can talk about that On September 30 2011 06:56 Incognito wrote: Lol. I hope the first sentence is a joke, as there is no indication that I am "trying to start a bandwagon". I am just trying to point out things that nobody is talking about. Palmar is clearly about to be lynched, so I might as well move on. There isn't a strong enough case for me to defend him, but he isn't scummy enough for me to jump on the wagon and say "Yes! Plamar is 100% mafia" either. I never said the second statement. I am saying the case against him is questionable. Everyone is running around saying "Palmar is a great lynch" when it clearly isn't. Palmar isn't playing like his usual town OR usual mafia. Of course, if he survives this lynch I'll go back and examine his past games later when I have time. You all keep screaming "Lynch All Liars" which is one of those other buzzwords that have little meaning. The 3rd bolded statement is flat out a lie. I never said or even hinted that Palmar is 100% town. I'm curious that you have never actually contributed anything to the Palmar case except for this. And then you go beserk when I decide to vote for Erandorr instead of Palmar. If this isn't a blatant misrepresentation of my post, I don't know what is. Congratulations, you just became number 1 on my suspect list. first of all i asked you a question in my post which you didn't answer, except you just complained about everything else that i said. second, i heard that it's hard to be consistent as a scum player. this is because you have a hidden agenda so sometimes you say one thing, but you have to do another to work towards your secret plans. you have raged against meta all game: On September 29 2011 12:28 Incognito wrote: [...] Also stop using gimmicky words like "OMGUS" and "meta". They're mostly meaningless terms people tack onto their "analyses" to make them look legitimate. I am not going to tolerate this nonsense. Unless you make some real arguments I will just ignore you or squish you like a bug, depending on how ridiculous you are. [...] On September 30 2011 06:21 Incognito wrote: [...] Stop using throwing the word "meta" around. Townies are wrong all the time so this should NOT be a consideration for this lynch. [...] ... but yet you use it yourself. as wbg pointed out, the only reason you had for not voting palmar in favor of erandorr was because "palmar is known to look scummy as town" ... a meta argument. and you don't stop there: On September 30 2011 06:56 Incognito wrote: [...] Palmar isn't playing like his usual town OR usual mafia. Of course, if he survives this lynch I'll go back and examine his past games later when I have time. [...] and then there's this: On September 30 2011 06:57 Incognito wrote: Whoops sorry misread there. Should have been: "The 3rd bolded statement is flat out a lie. I never said or even hinted that Erandorr is 100% red." no you didn't and so what, are you so focused on proving me being wrong that you totally forget to look at what i'm trying to say? you voted erandorr because you allegedly thought he was more scummy than palmar, and i pretty much just tried to say that that was pretty weak. can't you talk about that instead of talking about "100%" and "definitely" and how i might be semantically wrong if what i say is interpreted literally? also, why aren't you trying to start a bandwagon? you say that there are definitely reasons to see why palmar is town, and yet you don't want people to rally around your scumread? you just want you and your read and your vote to be left alone or what? sounds scummy to me. finally, i don't really see that you're asking me any questions in your post. you're just stating that everything i say is wrong and then you ask me about my reaction, it's like you don't want to know my reads or my opinion on anything, you just want me to engage in a totally useless fistfight with you over semantics? best scumread ever: incognito's reputation (and his signature) makes him out to be a good mafia player but he's contributed absolutely nothing in this game, and he doesn't appear to be willing to change that. you said in your first post that PM land was awesome for town, did you achieve anything there yet that maybe people should hear about? okay this is totally the last thing 'cause this is turning into a text wall, why the hell did you tell sinani206 to kill me? am i really the biggest threat to town right now, seeing as i'm answering questions and staying active, contributing to lynches (yea thatthat wasn't much but it was spot on) and voting for scum? i'm posting this now 'cause apparently scum (incog) wants me dead so much that they've resorted to asking random mutes if they want to kill me. i don't see why 'cause i wasn't instrumental in palmar's demise at all. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
Going through his posting, He's definitely trying to create chaos amongst town, and he's agressive enough to think that if he got checked he would come up townie. Altough he cleaverly never straight out defended Palmar the more I look through his posts the more I think he's scum. + Show Spoiler + On September 29 2011 10:02 wherebugsgo wrote: Also Jackal, since you think I'm scum why is your vote still on Palmar? You know, that shitty start of the game vote that you have yet to change, or, hell, even put in the voting thread? Fakevote much? Don't have any scumreads? Don't intend to contribute? + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 02:05 wherebugsgo wrote: Palmar looks scummy despite alignment so blah. He's made sense this game to me. Thus, I still prefer Jackal. If anyone knows something I don't please let me know. He tries to steal the heat from Palmar thinking that after he got a palmar voter to vote for him instead, he could play the suspicious saint and probably get the town on his side leading to the voters eventually voting for someone else. + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 04:34 wherebugsgo wrote: Sounds like you sheeped and didn't look into any of this yourself. You basically just admitted to voting Palmar solely because of other people's reasons. Did you question those reasons? Why are you so quick to believe them? If Palmar is scum you're scum too. He tries to create some other suspicious people based on shit and nothing just to create more chaos and distrust. He's case on Furumite started building when he realised Palmer was going down and he wanted to try and frame someone with it. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On September 30 2011 20:21 jcarlsoniv wrote: Forumite, you just shat on your credibility. You fake claim sniper, cause a whole ruckus, and then ask for medic protection? Why would a medic want to protect you? Are you trying to pull the medics away from town's high priority members so that a shot can actually go through? If you were town, I can somewhat understand your reasoning behind it, but still... Due to you and Jackal, now scum has an easier chance of hittin/RBing the sniper because they now know 2 players who they don't want to hit -_- It was a gamble, and it didn´t pay off. If Jackal was the Sniper, then Scum would have a hard time killing both of us. If Jackal wasn´t the Sniper, then I´m off the list of possible Snipers too. The gain if Jackal was the Sniper was so much bigger than the loss if he wasn´t, so I went for it, and it didn´t pay off. The only loss is that Scum know I can´t be the BLU Sniper, and I can live with that. As for Medic Protection, if you have read the thread, which Scum definetly has, you should remember the roleslip I did. I slipped that I can´t be a Vanilla Townie. Since Scum know I´m not Scum, Scum know I´m a Blue role, therefore I´m most likely going to get under fire tonight. Unless Town gets a good case going, in which case I´ll be saved long enough to die to a lynch tomorrow, but that´s at least one nightaction going through, so perhaps that is worth it. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On September 30 2011 20:21 jcarlsoniv wrote: If you were town, I can somewhat understand your reasoning behind it, but still... Due to you and Jackal, now scum has an easier chance of hittin/RBing the sniper because they now know 2 players who they don't want to hit -_- This is craplogic. If I´m Town, then I ended up giving one piece of info to Scum, that I´m not the BLU Sniper. If I´m Scum, then they allready know that I´m not the BLU Sniper. The only way I could have hurt Town is if I´m Town. Yes, it didn´t pay off, I ended up helping Scum, but in this case, that doesn´t make me Scum. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
scum has a habit of letting chaotic disruptive non contributory townies live and that's maybe the best protection you can get ... other than you actually being scum | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
I like all of prpl's posts against Incog. Incog is obviously by far the most likely to be the GF. GF is generally given to the most experienced player scum player. Since Palmar flipped pyro that only leaves like 2 people in the game who are more experienced so most likely Incog. There is some chance that GF was randomed tho so that certainly isn't enough to lynch Incog alone. But all of prpl's points against Incog are good and I will add another. If anyone remembers Pick Your Power Insane Incognito made an amazing case against Ace when he figured out that Ace was practically guaranteed scum. Unfortunately because everyone suspected him of being mafia no one listened to him. So a very important lesson was drilled into him, as a townie always always establish your innocence or your arguments will never be heard. In fact look at these quotes of his from PYPI postgame As a townie, you know your goal is to lynch all the mafia. But its easy to try to jump into the fray without knowing having a clear plan of action of how you are going to get to your goal. As has been stated before, the key is maintaining a positive town atmosphere. So how is this done? In order of descending importance: 1. Establish your innocence 2. Support the right townies 3. Vote properly 4. Shut down any attempts to lynch other obvious townies 5. Shut down attempts to spread doubt or chaos in the thread The number 1 priority of any townie should be to establish your innocence. This priority is often overlooked by townies who feel the need to be useful in an active and eyepopping way. The truth is that simply being an obvious innocent can be worth a lot more than being an active but confused poster. Too much information and a lack of focus will derail the town and allow mafia to take advantage of the chaotic situation. On the other hand, even if you aren't an active poster, simply establishing your innocence goes a long way toward strangling the mafia. As Foolishness said in the XXX thread, sometimes the best way to find the mafia is by finding out who isn't mafia. Every player who establishes their innocence gives the mafia less room to hide. The more people acting in obviously innocent ways, the less room mafia has to push its own agenda, and the more exposed they become. Furthermore, being obviously innocent means you won't be lynched, which increases the chances of town lynching correctly and makes sure town doesn't lose time and focus running around in circles on witch hunts and. This is amazing advice that all mafia players new and old should read and take to heart. So then why is Incognito playing exactly opposite of this? He hasn't done a single thing to prove his innocence and in fact practically everything he has done has just drawn even more suspicion onto himself. Incognito has provided absolutely no solid opinions, given the town absolutely no reads on any players, done virtually no scum hunting and has been in general completely useless. And make no mistake Incognito is a very very good player. He should have seen what I saw about Palmar and have been able to pin him as scum instead of being so wishy washy about him. Randomly coming in and attacking Erandorr with a retarded reason was horrible, he is better than this. When you see a good player playing much much worse than they normally do it is usually a good sign that they are mafia. Out of everyone left I am by far the most confident that Incognito is scum. If I die tonight Incognito needs to be killed before anyone else. Death to Incognito! | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
1) Would he and Palmar really tie themselves so tightly together on day 1? As scum I don't see Palmar defend his scum mates early on that often. It would be unbelievably reckless and bad play for them to so blatantly defend each other if they were both scum. 2) After Jackal/Forumite aimed at WBG he added me on skype and gave me like 5000 ideas for who he thought was scum etc. If he was scum I think it is a lot more likely he would have just gone silent and waited to die, but he rushed to tell me things because he thought he would die within the hour. A very very townie thing to do. These things don't guarantee that WBG is town but he is definitely not the best target at all for tomorrow. Incognito is 100x scummier. | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
He comes in criticizes the thread and says it is in terrible shape yet disappears and does nothing to improve it. Does he use his vote to try and lead the lynch against the person he thinks is scummiest? No he contributes nothing then appears 30 minutes before the day is over to throw a horrible vote on Erandorr. Death to Incognito | ||
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
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