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On October 02 2011 10:08 chaoser wrote: 22. Cyber_Cheese 27. heist 30. TranceStorm 5. kitaman27 28. Drazerk 23. chaoser 6. GGQ Here's my list right now. kitaman and Drazerk are "confirmed" and I'm "confirmed" if you'll believe me. So that means if all three of us are townies, then mafia fucked themselves over with their kill last night cause we'd just vote between GGQ, Cyber_cheese, heist, and TS. A three in four chance to lynch a mafia. I believe GGQ to be town so in that case it's just full on lynch of three mafia ezpz. But there's no way they would have done this. One of kita and Drazerk is 100% scum. I'm actually willing to believe both are. ##vote: kitaman27 At this point you need to explain actually (paraphrase) how your role works, who you picked to track every single night and why. I'm currently going through your logs. Also, Drazerk, who did you protect night 1? This seems like good methodology to attack 'confirmed' townies. WIFOM applies Assume you get to late game, and all three mafia are with 3 confirmed town and 3 suspects If mafia kill two suspects, they can shift the focus to the living confirmed town. There is two paths we should look down: A) Does that mean there's no mafia outside of the confirmed town? If not, is it more viable to pursue them? B) Confirmed by who exactly? Here I'm going to assume what you say is correct, and Kitaman OR Drazerk is mafia, and further assuming that you are in fact town and got that information from your back and forth with Palmar in the win conditions. (The latter half of that one being a fairly logical derivative of Palmar knowing what was going on before he left.) That leaves two mafia amongst four people, and it should be easier to spot someone scummy amongst them than in the confirmed townies section. | ||
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On October 02 2011 10:51 chaoser wrote: In that case I'd vote for you I was aware it lead back to me. I bet there's still scum left around me. What makes GGQ seem town to you, compared to TranceStorm and Heist? You seem to think I'm scum, so lets work under the assumption that I am for a minute. TranceStorm and GGQ were the ones who voted me yesterday. What seperates the two that makes TranceStorm look like the mafia? I've been FOS'ing him a lot this game, and he did it back yesterday, was that to distance myself like Radfield and DocH were doing? It's going to seem strange for me to back down on voting TranceStorm having said that, but I was pushing TranceStorm because he voted both times with Radfield's late wagons, along with ON, Drazerk and Kitaman. I didn't believe that all four of those people would be town, but with Drazerk and Kitaman still alive, it seems viable that one of them might be the scum that I was accusing Trance of being. Therefore, the two people I want to look into most at this point are GGQ and Heist. | ||
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On October 02 2011 23:48 TranceStorm wrote: Hmmm. Why have Cyber_Cheese and heist moved off from voting for me (and to voting for each other at the moment). Nothing has changed from the previous day to this day so why should they have seemed to change their minds? The fact Drazerk and Kitaman are alive this late in the game means there is a good chance at least one of them is mafia. They were both on Radfield's late swings like you, and I figured there was another mafia voting with Radfield. You being that other mafia was my reason to push you, but that doesn't seem so logical now they are both alive. I only believe one of you three to be mafia, and somehow chaoser looks trustworthy, so I think the other two mafia are Heist and GGQ. | ||
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On October 03 2011 03:50 Drazerk wrote: The fact that I have been saying I was going to protect Kita most nights probably swayed scum into only role blocking Kita. As for myself well I have no idea why I am still alive especially after Curu basically mod confirmed me as a medic. Of course they could of chosen the kills purely because they are trolling at this stage or simply are not following the game. Even if you and Kita are town and I was right about Trance all along, there is likely two other mafia, and Chaoser seems less scum than GGQ and Heist at this point, with the hit you saved him from. | ||
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On October 03 2011 10:38 kitaman27 wrote: cyber, if you're on heist, does that mean you don't think trance is scum still? trance, who do you prefer, cyber or heist? + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2011 11:19 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I was aware it lead back to me. I bet there's still scum left around me. What makes GGQ seem town to you, compared to TranceStorm and Heist? You seem to think I'm scum, so lets work under the assumption that I am for a minute. TranceStorm and GGQ were the ones who voted me yesterday. What seperates the two that makes TranceStorm look like the mafia? I've been FOS'ing him a lot this game, and he did it back yesterday, was that to distance myself like Radfield and DocH were doing? It's going to seem strange for me to back down on voting TranceStorm having said that, but I was pushing TranceStorm because he voted both times with Radfield's late wagons, along with ON, Drazerk and Kitaman. I didn't believe that all four of those people would be town, but with Drazerk and Kitaman still alive, it seems viable that one of them might be the scum that I was accusing Trance of being. Therefore, the two people I want to look into most at this point are GGQ and Heist. On October 03 2011 02:53 Cyber_Cheese wrote: The fact Drazerk and Kitaman are alive this late in the game means there is a good chance at least one of them is mafia. They were both on Radfield's late swings like you, and I figured there was another mafia voting with Radfield. You being that other mafia was my reason to push you, but that doesn't seem so logical now they are both alive. I only believe one of you three to be mafia, and somehow chaoser looks trustworthy, so I think the other two mafia are Heist and GGQ. On October 03 2011 04:03 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Even if you and Kita are town and I was right about Trance all along, there is likely two other mafia, and Chaoser seems less scum than GGQ and Heist at this point, with the hit you saved him from. | ||
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Ok, so here's what everyone should know. Drazerk said he got hit on Day 4. He also got motivation and used it on Night 3 to protect prplhz and me. This is confirmed by Curu. He later protected me from a hit on Night 4. This means that syllo must have given him motivation on Night 2. But Syllo died on Day 3. That makes it impossible for him to protect Drazerk for day 4 since he wasn't around on Night 3 to do it. That means the only way Drazerk could have survived a hit was if there was another medic. This confirms heist as the other medic. At the same time, it explains why mafia didn't shoot Drazerk since they knew he was being protected but not by who. That leaves: 27. heist 22. Cyber_Cheese 5. kitaman27 30. TranceStorm 6. GGQ Mafia would obviously all pile onto heist since I just said I'm willing to lynch him. There's a 3/5 chance to hit mafia here, and 3/4 if you think kita is town tracker. I feel however, Cyber_Cheese is 100% mafia. [quote]On wherebugsgo, I get the distinct impression he's just a townie who wanted to have the ring and decided acting as Smeagol and demanding the ring until people got bored of it was better than trying to defend himself actively. I'm willing to bet there is no posting restriction, in fact I think it was explicitly stated somewhere that there wasn't. That said, I'd be comfortable with a lynch on him on the off-chance he is telling the truth about being third party, purely because that seems to make him a safer bet than most others.[/quote] He's ok with lynching third-party. He then says iGrok is suspicious but is "giving hi a break". [quote]IGrok seems a little bit suspicious, but since I'm giving archon_toilet a break I guess I'll be doing the same here.[/quote] He then goes on to defend iGrok when iGrok claims third-party. [quote]Go back and look at the claims of chaoser and igrok, if we must kill a neutral party, chaoser is the optimal choice.[/quote] but he wants to lynch me over iGrok if I'm third-party. [quote]LOL WHAT I collapse in my bed with a few hours to go, and out of nowhere someone who hadn't even been considered previously was lynched. Bad call on Errandor, I really didn't see that happening, and I guess I'm not the only one[quote] He also pulls exactly what people have said about mafia leaving their vote on prp and then going WHAT STUPID TOWNIES when Errandor gets lynched. ##vote: Cyber_cheese[/QUOTE] I was hoping to keep avoiding role-claiming in full so mafia could waste hits on me, but that doesn't help me if I die. I am Meriadoc Brandybuck, Hobbit of the Fellowship, Hider. I have the ability to hide behind people at night, with a 50% chance to die if my target is mafia. So far, I've hidden behind: iGrok - Night 1 iGrok - Night 2 Greymist - Night 3 Raynpelikoneet - Night 4 Chaoser - Night 5 You who claimed multiple kp were a better choice than someone who claimed one if it had to be third party. The Errandor thing genuinely surprised me, it was an overreaction. I changed my stance on third parties after I made that WBG quote, when I realised lynching someone that might be mafia would be better for information. | ||
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On October 03 2011 12:35 chaoser wrote: Ok, so here's what everyone should know. Drazerk said he got hit on Day 4. He also got motivation and used it on Night 3 to protect prplhz and me. This is confirmed by Curu. He later protected me from a hit on Night 4. This means that syllo must have given him motivation on Night 2. But Syllo died on Day 3. That makes it impossible for him to protect Drazerk for day 4 since he wasn't around on Night 3 to do it. That means the only way Drazerk could have survived a hit was if there was another medic. This confirms heist as the other medic. At the same time, it explains why mafia didn't shoot Drazerk since they knew he was being protected but not by who. That leaves: 27. heist 22. Cyber_Cheese 5. kitaman27 30. TranceStorm 6. GGQ Mafia would obviously all pile onto heist since I just said I'm willing to lynch him. There's a 3/5 chance to hit mafia here, and 3/4 if you think kita is town tracker. I feel however, Cyber_Cheese is 100% mafia. He's ok with lynching third-party. He then says iGrok is suspicious but is "giving hi a break". He then goes on to defend iGrok when iGrok claims third-party. but he wants to lynch me over iGrok if I'm third-party. He also pulls exactly what people have said about mafia leaving their vote on prp and then going WHAT STUPID TOWNIES when Errandor gets lynched. ##vote: Cyber_cheese I was hoping to keep avoiding role-claiming in full so mafia could waste hits on me, but that doesn't help me if I die. I am Meriadoc Brandybuck, Hobbit of the Fellowship, Hider. I have the ability to hide behind people at night, with a 50% chance to die if my target is mafia. So far, I've hidden behind: iGrok - Night 1 iGrok - Night 2 Greymist - Night 3 Raynpelikoneet - Night 4 Chaoser - Night 5 You who claimed multiple kp were a better choice than someone who claimed one if it had to be third party. The Errandor thing genuinely surprised me, it was an overreaction. I changed my stance on third parties after I made that WBG quote, when I realised lynching someone that might be mafia would be better for information. | ||
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On October 03 2011 13:04 chaoser wrote: Why would mafia hit you if you're fucking suspected of being mafia? And this fear is only contingent on IF we are able to lynch mafia today. It's between you, who looks scummy as fuck with all your contradictions and scumminess and GGQ, who has been fingered by Radfield as scummy and someone that should be shot and also pushed for iGrok's lynch at the very beginning. He looks so damn clean it's kinda suspicious. You on the other hand look so fucking scummy. We can skip over this debate by lynching TS who is 100% mafia and try to buy another day, hoping that mafia doesn't kill anyone tonight since we got two medics if everyone is willing. Yeah they might not attack me, but they definitely wouldn't once I claimed in full, I figured some chance was better than none. | ||
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On October 03 2011 13:10 heist wrote: Let's assume you have this power. Why the hell have you been using it every night? I'm not gonna lie, this is a terrible power you revealed. Either you have a 50% chance to die for nothing if you hide behind mafia or You throw someone else in front of you (someone who could actually have blue powers) just to save yourself. Because then if I survive I can protect the person I was behind. | ||
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On October 03 2011 13:16 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Because then if I survive I can protect the person I was behind. That's also not how it works, things that target me miss, things that hit the other person hit us both. | ||
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On October 03 2011 13:19 heist wrote: So you choose someone to hide behind. You get targetted. And instead of that person taking the hit for you, you come out and save the two of you? What's with this "if", won't you live regardless of being targeted if you are hiding? Erm what? I hide behind someone. Things aimed at that someone hit us both. Things aimed at me miss entirely. If that someone is mafia, I have a 50% chance to die. | ||
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On October 03 2011 13:25 heist wrote: Lemme get this straight: 1. Any attacks on you will miss. 2. The only way to kill you at night (assuming you target a townie) is if your target gets hit. The hit will apply to both of you. 3. Yet you can also protect your target? wtf? I don't protect them... | ||
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On October 03 2011 13:28 chaoser wrote: How does this work again? You don't protect shit, you just survive. Also, please explain why you hid behind iGrok for two whole days when there's a 50% chance you would die and you didn't apparently? iGrok the first night because I didn't think he'd get hit. When I was alive day 2 I figured I should defend him because I survived. I then decided to double check night 2 because it was only 50/50, and if I died he was very likely to get lynched day 3 anyway at that point. As it turns out I wasn't able to save him despite getting lucky and surviving again. On October 03 2011 13:31 chaoser wrote: Also, why the fuck would Merry be a hider? He fucking kills Nazgul. Not once in the books did he hide. This looks like you went into PYP mafia and stole the hider role from there. Why the fuck would Theon Greyjoy be in a Lotr themed game? Defend them from the people pushing to lynch them. | ||
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On October 03 2011 13:43 chaoser wrote: That's how a real hider is used. You didn't play in a way that would have invited mafia bullets at all. What a bullshit claim. I'm from an alternate universe and my role is in-character (I'm a greyjoy, we rob the coastline, we also kill people and take their shit) Yours makes no sense in-character. Thanks for the shit claim though. 100% mafia. Where is the quote from? That's just telling mafia which target to hit to get 2 for the price of 1... | ||
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