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On September 20 2011 02:50 syllogism wrote:
Cyber_Cheese who do you think is scummy? Your activity has been very low and your only post that could be characterized as a contribution is a list post in which you don't really find anyone scummy, except sort of the person you are voting based on rather flimsy reasoning.
I'd rather save all the convincing arguments until daytime where they will be useful, and I can throw my initial vote in alongside them.
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On September 20 2011 01:54 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 21:44 syllogism wrote:On September 18 2011 09:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
No, I'm voting for WBG because I have no strong scum read and his play is the most anti-town. If I had to guess his role it's a neutral serial killer and I'd rather day 1 lynch an SK than what will probably be a town. I also never said WBG isn't scum. It's day 1.
So far our scum cases boil down to "your plan was stupid" "you didn't post enough" and "idk you voted for me and you didn't explain it well."
If I get a strong scum read then I'll move my vote. My read on WBG is either scum or SK. Either way, he's a detriment to town and I'm pretty sure he is not a pro-town role. I feel more comfortable voting for a player that I'm about 75% sure is a non-town player than a player I'm 15% sure might be scum.
My vote for greymist was really just a placeholder to get him talking. That's pretty standard stuff.
That's it. I'm not concerned with defending myself, I'm doing what I feel is right. WBG has been posting a little bit more constructively and at the very least, if he is a bad townie, he's learning that you can't shit post and troll without getting heat. There are still 24 hours left but so far all of the "scum" cases I've seen have been incredibly weak and I don't know why people seem to think it's impossible WBG is scum in the first place. Because he's too reckless? I've seen worse. On September 19 2011 05:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I think it's quite probable Errandor is scum and misunderstands my reasons for voting for WBG and is trying to parrot/hide behind my bandwagon. However, if I have to switch my vote I personally get a worse feeling from Supersoft and chaos13 did a pretty good job of pointing out that very strange inconsistency. On September 19 2011 07:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm keeping my vote on WBG out of principle because I am sure he is either SK or Mafia. The fact that no one is even exploring the possibility that he is scum says volumes to me. If he were, in fact mafia, it's a fitting enough to say "nah hes obv just 3rd party he can't be scum if yoou vote for him youre scum becasue hes not scum" but we don't know what alignment anyone is only mafia know that :-) I can't quite reconcile these statements with the fact you left your vote on WBG. Care to clarify? Did you just became more certain about WBG being scum/mafia somewhere along the way? Why? What do you think about the possibility of WBG being a third party who isn't a serial killer? Thank god someone else noticed this. The whole point of me calling out Dr. H was to expose this contradiction. He said he had no scum reads, then said Erandor is probably scum and didn't vote him despite saying he would vote someone other than me once he actually had scum reads. Somewhere in there he magically goes from me bein third party to being scum solely because no one else thinks I am scum.
No I think you're probably more likely SK than scum but I still thought you were more likely scum than Errandor was. As you continued posting I became more confident in my vote, not less actually. But whatever. Since everyone is 100% sure you can't be mafia for some dumb fucking reason I guess I'll take the heat .
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It's night and you were only asked to clarify something. Saying that you are about to be bandwagoned seems like an overreaction to me, no? Tunnelling WBG as mafia makes sense because, assuming that he is a third party, you don't really get into trouble for it and you can do it with some real conviction given that you don't have to make up reasons for finding him scummy.
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On September 20 2011 03:04 syllogism wrote:
It's night and you were only asked to clarify something. Saying that you are about to be bandwagoned seems like an overreaction to me, no? Tunnelling WBG as mafia makes sense because, assuming that he is a third party, you don't really get into trouble for it and you can do it with some real conviction given that you don't have to make up reasons for finding him scummy.
I'm annoyed that I'm in the hot seat for picking the "wrong" bandwagon when the one everyone else went onto flipped out a pretty good power role. I'm also overreacting because WBG's attitude and play style annoys me so much I seriously considered quitting this game yesterday. I'll cool down but I'll never play another game with him, i know that much.
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On September 20 2011 02:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 21:44 syllogism wrote:On September 18 2011 09:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
No, I'm voting for WBG because I have no strong scum read and his play is the most anti-town. If I had to guess his role it's a neutral serial killer and I'd rather day 1 lynch an SK than what will probably be a town. I also never said WBG isn't scum. It's day 1.
So far our scum cases boil down to "your plan was stupid" "you didn't post enough" and "idk you voted for me and you didn't explain it well."
If I get a strong scum read then I'll move my vote. My read on WBG is either scum or SK. Either way, he's a detriment to town and I'm pretty sure he is not a pro-town role. I feel more comfortable voting for a player that I'm about 75% sure is a non-town player than a player I'm 15% sure might be scum.
My vote for greymist was really just a placeholder to get him talking. That's pretty standard stuff.
That's it. I'm not concerned with defending myself, I'm doing what I feel is right. WBG has been posting a little bit more constructively and at the very least, if he is a bad townie, he's learning that you can't shit post and troll without getting heat. There are still 24 hours left but so far all of the "scum" cases I've seen have been incredibly weak and I don't know why people seem to think it's impossible WBG is scum in the first place. Because he's too reckless? I've seen worse. On September 19 2011 05:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I think it's quite probable Errandor is scum and misunderstands my reasons for voting for WBG and is trying to parrot/hide behind my bandwagon. However, if I have to switch my vote I personally get a worse feeling from Supersoft and chaos13 did a pretty good job of pointing out that very strange inconsistency. On September 19 2011 07:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm keeping my vote on WBG out of principle because I am sure he is either SK or Mafia. The fact that no one is even exploring the possibility that he is scum says volumes to me. If he were, in fact mafia, it's a fitting enough to say "nah hes obv just 3rd party he can't be scum if yoou vote for him youre scum becasue hes not scum" but we don't know what alignment anyone is only mafia know that :-) I can't quite reconcile these statements with the fact you left your vote on WBG. Care to clarify? Did you just became more certain about WBG being scum/mafia somewhere along the way? Why? What do you think about the possibility of WBG being a third party who isn't a serial killer? Looking over Radfields case, it wasn't as strong as had really thought at first glance. That was a pretty bad kneejerk reaction. I think WBG is mafia or SK. WBG is playing pretty arrogantly. He thinks I can't possibly have another reason for voting for him other than he "asked for the ring" (i provided several others, whatever) and I think he's SK or Mafia. It's very possible he is non-sk third party or even town. Unfortunately I don't have DT powers, I can't check. What reason do I have as mafia to tunnel a useless and obnoxious player like WBG when I can take the easy bandwagon on Errandor or Prplhz (who was accusing me anyway) ? Yeah, I know it's WIFOM but if I'm really about to get bandwagoned for making the "wrong vote" then I don't know what to say other than TL Towns really are getting worse.
Firstly your argument makes the assumption that I'm third party or mafia solely on the fact that I asked for the ring.
I even pointed out how you voted Greymist for precisely the same reason even though it was completely obvious Greymist's request was just a joke.
Your entire argument against me is that I could be mafia or SK. You don't even for a second consider that I could be town, and your arguments yesterday were certainly self contradictory. Syllogism has also pointed that out.
Then you appeal to emotion and say I'm arrogant. Dude, look at your own play. You've contradicted yourself and you had a terrible reason for voting me. Multiple people reasoned well yesterday and straight up said I was a bad lynch but you didn't heed them. Who's more arrogant between us when it's apparent you haven't been listening to anyone else?
And before I get another backlash from you, this is not a personal attack. This is a GAME. if you can't understand that what I do here is simply within the confines of a forum game, I don't know what to say to you.
I responded to your tunnelling of me (speaks volumes to the other contradiction you made, that you wouldn't solely focus on one target) by grasping onto your own logical contradictions. You can'f blame me of that regardless of my alignment. My aim is to catch scum and if you're making logical inconsistencies in your play I'm going to defend myself against what I perceive to be an illogical attack.
And, of course, I'm going to point out those inconsistencies in the thread to establish my opinion that I think you are scum. If that's arrogance and you guys don't want me to play, I'll replace out.
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On September 19 2011 18:32 Jackal58 wrote:
Alright, it's night time now. Give Bugs the ring and get him out of here.
You seem so convinced that giving WBG the ring will get them out of the game. I don't know why you're so convinced..
However, the fact that Jackal keeps repeating this after being called out on it several times surprises me. It doesn't logically make sense as scum play. I would expect scum to drop it after a while. However, he seems really locked into his point of view on this, which I would expect more from a town player.
Now, I definitely want people to keep the list of votes on erandorr in the back of their minds:
Palmar
Radfield
Syllogism
prplhz
kitaman27
OriginalName
Vain
TranceStorm
xtffc
Think about how quickly the bandwagon formed and filled up. I knew it felt wrong, and I'll be the first to admit that I didn't feel confident enough in myself to argue against Radfield to try and stop it. Before Radfield's post, prpl was leading the lynch vote. This has only made me more suspicious of prpl, and it makes me really want to take a deep look into Radfield.
Looking down the list, I see Palmar at the very top. His posts consist of:
+ Show Spoiler +hey guys, I'm in a good mood so I'm not gonna ruin it by reading the thread. See you tomorrow Radfield is a cool guy and Errandor has done nothing that looks like town posting.
WBG is almost definitely not scum, just put yourselves in his shoes, why the shit would he post the things he's done if he was scum, he's basically piling on attention and scummyness by wanting to look for his precious, outright demanding it.
I'll be voting for Errandor. filter
Still in good mood, cba telling you why you're having a case of the bads.
I don't like the case on prplhz either. DrH is giving me really bad vibes.
These all wreak of uselessness. It also connects Palmar and Radfield. The little, scummy bandwagon that started on Erandorr starts with them.
We also see prplhz jumping onto the Erandorr votes quickly.
When I saw kitaman's name on the list, it made me realize just how little he had done this game. If you filter his posts, you won't find much of anything. It's mostly a lot of posts asking others their opinions, and not giving his own. In the couple posts that he did have opinions in, they were weak and not definitive. I'm definitely watching kita. You better start actually contributing.
Lastly (for now):
On September 19 2011 08:42 Ciryandor wrote:
Errandor you derp. I may die tonight...
You cannot expect to say something like this and get away with it. You got some 'splainin to do.
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@Jc DID YOU SEE THIS POST? Are you reading the thread?
On September 19 2011 03:14 Ciryandor wrote:
@ Navi
If either I or prp flip town when either of us dies, I can assure you the other is town as well. I'll leave this as my last message.
Also, it's LOTR, I'm being in-role with that. And there are actual characters that I am referring to with each description.
All wagons ytd were shit and people were so clueless that they jumped on the first ilusion of scum presented to them. I think it's too soon to push blame on people that voted errandor quite fast when all the other wagons were equally shit. You guys seem afraid to lynch anyone that has a recognizable name and that is just terrible. As syllo said when coming up with a balance normally puts a least 3 vets in a mafia team in a game this size. So obviously lynching into that is way more accurate. The people who should have been discussed ytd were chaoser (for pushing really weak lynches like he just wants an out), iGrok (who is posting one liners and doesn't seem interested in finding scum) and maybe jackal who may be some sort of third party. DocH I really can't tell. Posting about how you got so mad that you wanted to quit really should not be allowed. You can decide that for yourself and pm the host after you reach a decision. This is the second game in a row that this happens.
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On September 20 2011 03:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 02:50 syllogism wrote:
Cyber_Cheese who do you think is scummy? Your activity has been very low and your only post that could be characterized as a contribution is a list post in which you don't really find anyone scummy, except sort of the person you are voting based on rather flimsy reasoning. I'd rather save all the convincing arguments until daytime where they will be useful, and I can throw my initial vote in alongside them.
Was this post serious?
Surprised no one caught it.
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And Sandroba I'd add Palmar to that list.
He needs to post more and it's really unlike him to be staying away like this.
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@xtfftc
I suppose your primary complaint against me is that I am making a large deal out of a number of smaller things. However, that is naturally what analysis does. When you analyze another player, you take into consideration what their motives are for saying each and every thing. Therefore, little things do get blown up all the time because analysis is designed to extrapolate larger things from a person's small behavior. Sometimes its spot-on, other times it misses the mark completely (i.e. the Errandor lynch which I bought into incorrectly). To say that someone is acting scummy because they are making large deals out of small things is not a valid statement.
The reason why I suspected you in the first place was because you were being overly neutral and apologizing for lack of activity (which is something I always find suspicious). However, just like I said in my original post "expect far more activity from you in the coming days as you say that you will do", if you provide good analysis on Helvetica and Chaos13, then my suspicion will definitely decrease.
Finally, you accuse me of bandwagoning onto an easy target of Errandor - but that was because I believed that Errandor was a better lynch than any of the others due to his slip-up. Its funny how many people are coming out saying that "Obviously Errandor was a bad lynch blah blah blah" when the only voice of opposition at the time was (I think) Navillus.
If I missed any of your points, please bring them up again.
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@Palmar can you please make a big post or maybe make a ridiculous claim =)
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On September 20 2011 03:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 02:50 syllogism wrote:
Cyber_Cheese who do you think is scummy? Your activity has been very low and your only post that could be characterized as a contribution is a list post in which you don't really find anyone scummy, except sort of the person you are voting based on rather flimsy reasoning. I'd rather save all the convincing arguments until daytime where they will be useful, and I can throw my initial vote in alongside them.
Why aren't they useful at night? As a townie, you want to get your reads out before the day time somehow, in case you get shot, but if you think they're very important or game-changing, right before the deadline, so that mafia can't react and change their hits to cause chaos or WIFOM.
Waiting until day is a good way to get shot without letting your opinion be known, so I'm not sure why you aren't worried about that. Or maybe you aren't worried about being shot... Hmmm...
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On September 20 2011 04:23 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 20 2011 02:50 syllogism wrote:
Cyber_Cheese who do you think is scummy? Your activity has been very low and your only post that could be characterized as a contribution is a list post in which you don't really find anyone scummy, except sort of the person you are voting based on rather flimsy reasoning. I'd rather save all the convincing arguments until daytime where they will be useful, and I can throw my initial vote in alongside them. Was this post serious? Surprised no one caught it.
No, it was an excuse to put it off because I don't actually have them written up.
Since you want my thoughts, I'm going to give basic versions for now.
My current plan is to write something up on TranceStorm come day 2, and possibly other people involved in swinging the vote to someone none of us would have considered at the time I last posted on day 1.
I believe one of you/prphlz/DrH is scum, but I'm not sure which, and I'm leaning towards checking you first because you changed your vote the most, possibly looking for bandwagons, but the list of people that swung the vote seems more relevant to me.
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On September 20 2011 04:43 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 20 2011 02:50 syllogism wrote:
Cyber_Cheese who do you think is scummy? Your activity has been very low and your only post that could be characterized as a contribution is a list post in which you don't really find anyone scummy, except sort of the person you are voting based on rather flimsy reasoning. I'd rather save all the convincing arguments until daytime where they will be useful, and I can throw my initial vote in alongside them. Why aren't they useful at night? As a townie, you want to get your reads out before the day time somehow, in case you get shot, but if you think they're very important or game-changing, right before the deadline, so that mafia can't react and change their hits to cause chaos or WIFOM. Waiting until day is a good way to get shot without letting your opinion be known, so I'm not sure why you aren't worried about that. Or maybe you aren't worried about being shot... Hmmm...
No, it's because of timezones, I could easily have fallen asleep by the deadline. (7am) I work during the afternoon so being up now (4am) is common.
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On September 20 2011 04:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 04:23 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 20 2011 03:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 20 2011 02:50 syllogism wrote:
Cyber_Cheese who do you think is scummy? Your activity has been very low and your only post that could be characterized as a contribution is a list post in which you don't really find anyone scummy, except sort of the person you are voting based on rather flimsy reasoning. I'd rather save all the convincing arguments until daytime where they will be useful, and I can throw my initial vote in alongside them. Was this post serious? Surprised no one caught it. No, it was an excuse to put it off because I don't actually have them written up. Since you want my thoughts, I'm going to give basic versions for now. My current plan is to write something up on TranceStorm come day 2, and possibly other people involved in swinging the vote to someone none of us would have considered at the time I last posted on day 1. I believe one of you/prphlz/DrH is scum, but I'm not sure which, and I'm leaning towards checking you first because you changed your vote the most, possibly looking for bandwagons, but the list of people that swung the vote seems more relevant to me.
IMO You get on the right track toward the end but it's bad to assume things.
Think about the justifications for your assumptions and see if they're valid. What reason is there for assuming only one of us 3 could be scum? Could we all be scum? Could there be two of us as scum? Could we all NOT be scum?
If you make an incorrect assumption and base the rest of your argument around it your argument will look okay, but it'll be really wrong. Mafia, in addition, will jump all over it and make you a target.
Unless, ofc, you're scum, in which case I'm want to believe that you actually have no valid opinions.
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On September 20 2011 04:56 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 04:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 20 2011 04:23 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 20 2011 03:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 20 2011 02:50 syllogism wrote:
Cyber_Cheese who do you think is scummy? Your activity has been very low and your only post that could be characterized as a contribution is a list post in which you don't really find anyone scummy, except sort of the person you are voting based on rather flimsy reasoning. I'd rather save all the convincing arguments until daytime where they will be useful, and I can throw my initial vote in alongside them. Was this post serious? Surprised no one caught it. No, it was an excuse to put it off because I don't actually have them written up. Since you want my thoughts, I'm going to give basic versions for now. My current plan is to write something up on TranceStorm come day 2, and possibly other people involved in swinging the vote to someone none of us would have considered at the time I last posted on day 1. I believe one of you/prphlz/DrH is scum, but I'm not sure which, and I'm leaning towards checking you first because you changed your vote the most, possibly looking for bandwagons, but the list of people that swung the vote seems more relevant to me. IMO You get on the right track toward the end but it's bad to assume things. Think about the justifications for your assumptions and see if they're valid. What reason is there for assuming only one of us 3 could be scum? Could we all be scum? Could there be two of us as scum? Could we all NOT be scum? If you make an incorrect assumption and base the rest of your argument around it your argument will look okay, but it'll be really wrong. Mafia, in addition, will jump all over it and make you a target. Unless, ofc, you're scum, in which case I'm want to believe that you actually have no valid opinions.
That was a summary of my current beliefs, it's not to say I'm not open to suggestion, and the relation to you three and the swung vote is something I plan on looking into further.
Rest assured that you aren't really my primary focus at the moment WBG.
I'm willing to chalk the multiple votes up to your huge amount of activity and the voting insecurities that come with Day 1, and you've been much more active than many of the people who swung the vote, added to the fact that you didn't end with a vote on Errandor.
As an aside, it comes across that you feel the need to discredit everybody. I maybe looking at it the wrong way and be wrong about that, but either way, I'd like to remind you.
One does not simply discredit into Mordor.
+ Show Spoiler +
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EBWOP: that was supposed to be discredit everybody who speaks of you in a negative light
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On September 20 2011 05:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 04:56 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 20 2011 04:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 20 2011 04:23 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 20 2011 03:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 20 2011 02:50 syllogism wrote:
Cyber_Cheese who do you think is scummy? Your activity has been very low and your only post that could be characterized as a contribution is a list post in which you don't really find anyone scummy, except sort of the person you are voting based on rather flimsy reasoning. I'd rather save all the convincing arguments until daytime where they will be useful, and I can throw my initial vote in alongside them. Was this post serious? Surprised no one caught it. No, it was an excuse to put it off because I don't actually have them written up. Since you want my thoughts, I'm going to give basic versions for now. My current plan is to write something up on TranceStorm come day 2, and possibly other people involved in swinging the vote to someone none of us would have considered at the time I last posted on day 1. I believe one of you/prphlz/DrH is scum, but I'm not sure which, and I'm leaning towards checking you first because you changed your vote the most, possibly looking for bandwagons, but the list of people that swung the vote seems more relevant to me. IMO You get on the right track toward the end but it's bad to assume things. Think about the justifications for your assumptions and see if they're valid. What reason is there for assuming only one of us 3 could be scum? Could we all be scum? Could there be two of us as scum? Could we all NOT be scum? If you make an incorrect assumption and base the rest of your argument around it your argument will look okay, but it'll be really wrong. Mafia, in addition, will jump all over it and make you a target. Unless, ofc, you're scum, in which case I'm want to believe that you actually have no valid opinions. That was a summary of my current beliefs, it's not to say I'm not open to suggestion, and the relation to you three and the swung vote is something I plan on looking into further. Rest assured that you aren't really my primary focus at the moment WBG. I'm willing to chalk the multiple votes up to your huge amount of activity and the voting insecurities that come with Day 1, and you've been much more active than many of the people who swung the vote, added to the fact that you didn't end with a vote on Errandor. As an aside, it comes across that you feel the need to discredit everybody. I maybe looking at it the wrong way and be wrong about that, but either way, I'd like to remind you. One does not simply discredit into Mordor. + Show Spoiler +
Au contraire I believe I have pointed out that there are people in this town who have been posting fairly logically.
Examples that come to mind are Radfield (though his read was wrong) sandroba, to some extent Syllogism, and jcarl.
People who aren't making sense but probably town: Pyo, TranceStorm
People who I think are scum: Dr. H, Jackal, Drazerk. Possibly a couple others as well but I will not reveal those names yet.
The vast majority of the other players fall into some sort of null/fenceish category
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On September 20 2011 05:26 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
EBWOP: that was supposed to be discredit everybody who speaks of you in a negative light
There's a specific reason for this.
It's actually not terribly hard to figure out, either.
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On September 20 2011 05:29 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 20 2011 04:56 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 20 2011 04:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 20 2011 04:23 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 20 2011 03:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 20 2011 02:50 syllogism wrote:
Cyber_Cheese who do you think is scummy? Your activity has been very low and your only post that could be characterized as a contribution is a list post in which you don't really find anyone scummy, except sort of the person you are voting based on rather flimsy reasoning. I'd rather save all the convincing arguments until daytime where they will be useful, and I can throw my initial vote in alongside them. Was this post serious? Surprised no one caught it. No, it was an excuse to put it off because I don't actually have them written up. Since you want my thoughts, I'm going to give basic versions for now. My current plan is to write something up on TranceStorm come day 2, and possibly other people involved in swinging the vote to someone none of us would have considered at the time I last posted on day 1. I believe one of you/prphlz/DrH is scum, but I'm not sure which, and I'm leaning towards checking you first because you changed your vote the most, possibly looking for bandwagons, but the list of people that swung the vote seems more relevant to me. IMO You get on the right track toward the end but it's bad to assume things. Think about the justifications for your assumptions and see if they're valid. What reason is there for assuming only one of us 3 could be scum? Could we all be scum? Could there be two of us as scum? Could we all NOT be scum? If you make an incorrect assumption and base the rest of your argument around it your argument will look okay, but it'll be really wrong. Mafia, in addition, will jump all over it and make you a target. Unless, ofc, you're scum, in which case I'm want to believe that you actually have no valid opinions. That was a summary of my current beliefs, it's not to say I'm not open to suggestion, and the relation to you three and the swung vote is something I plan on looking into further. Rest assured that you aren't really my primary focus at the moment WBG. I'm willing to chalk the multiple votes up to your huge amount of activity and the voting insecurities that come with Day 1, and you've been much more active than many of the people who swung the vote, added to the fact that you didn't end with a vote on Errandor. As an aside, it comes across that you feel the need to discredit everybody. I maybe looking at it the wrong way and be wrong about that, but either way, I'd like to remind you. One does not simply discredit into Mordor. + Show Spoiler + Au contraire I believe I have pointed out that there are people in this town who have been posting fairly logically. Examples that come to mind are Radfield (though his read was wrong) sandroba, to some extent Syllogism, and jcarl. People who aren't making sense but probably town: Pyo, TranceStorm People who I think are scum: Dr. H, Jackal, Drazerk. Possibly a couple others as well but I will not reveal those names yet. The vast majority of the other players fall into some sort of null/fenceish category
Yeah I just really wanted to be the first to use the Mordor line more than anything, it's not actually that accurate. It was a recent impression that I realised was wrong from your filter. hence all the looking at it wrong way buisness.
On September 20 2011 05:30 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:26 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
EBWOP: that was supposed to be discredit everybody who speaks of you in a negative light There's a specific reason for this. It's actually not terribly hard to figure out, either.
Survival instinct, and I'd love to continue talking about it but it seems like it would sidetrack the scum hunt.
What makes you think TraceStorm might be town?
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