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Mig
United States4714 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
FOR GONDOR + Show Spoiler + also fuck you Curu you said I'd fall off Minas Tirith while burning! :p jk I still <3 you | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
 a bad night for hobbitsi'm frodo and sam/ciryandor didn't get hit last night he valiantly took at hit for his master, me. i also got roleblocked last night. i'm vanilla town, except i had mason and bodyguard in sam, and i don't have the ring, i assume it's in possesion of bilbo but this is just speculation, though more qualified since you'd probably assume that the ring was with frodo but i have insider knowledge on just. please don't spam up the thread again with ring-speculation because of this revelation. people need to get posting, 4 people were hit last night, seems a bit excessive for scum to have 4 KP. who did you hit and why? | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:41 prplhz wrote: my dear sam a bad night for hobbitsi'm frodo and sam/ciryandor didn't get hit last night he valiantly took at hit for his master, me. i also got roleblocked last night. i'm vanilla town, except i had mason and bodyguard in sam, and i don't have the ring, i assume it's in possesion of bilbo but this is just speculation, though more qualified since you'd probably assume that the ring was with frodo but i have insider knowledge on just. please don't spam up the thread again with ring-speculation because of this revelation. people need to get posting, 4 people were hit last night, seems a bit excessive for scum to have 4 KP. who did you hit and why? Can anyone counter claim frodo? because if this is true we lose another major lynch target from yesterday. I agree that we should look into the errandor lynch closely. Vain seems to me a very suspicious character. On September 19 2011 04:58 Vain wrote: Yeah, i don't think Prplhz is mafia. Far too easy bandwagon and at least he tries to contribute. Another funny thing is that Mr wiggels first takes the time to call syllogism because he names up a few people and then votes another one but at the same time Wiggles doesn't give a reason to vote for Prplhz either aside from "seeming mafia". I don't think any of the three leading lynches are good idea's. WBG isn't posting total crap anymore, yes his start was a bit iffy but you can't point to that as scum behaviour. He could be 3rd party but why would we lynch a maybe-3r party at day one when he could also help us get rid of the ring? Then we have jackal who is voted for because he didn't contribute enough? Really? There are many more players who haven't contributed at all but are not due to be lynched. I find that the players that voted for Wbg in the first place are much more suspicious than any of those three for now. I had a very uneasy feeling with Dr.H when i started reading all the pages i was behind and i still have it now. I can't really put my finger on it but to me it's the best target we have. When players say things like "We can't spend this whole game talking about roles. Scumhunting is #1"i always get uneasy. So my vote goes to him for now The only post he made with any real bearing on the game is him stating why he doesnt feel like lynching prplhz because it looks too easy, and WBG because his posting improved when he came under fire. Overall a very wishy washy post. FOS Vain Also what is your guy's bearing on this? On September 20 2011 08:19 Curu wrote: A message has been delivered to all within the realm! The message reads: Fdehfq ht Ytxm | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Kita is posting fluff right now. However, the only other game I played with him he made it to day 6 as town and posted very little quality content. Please step it up Vain is non-existant right now and has 1 real post in apprx 7 posts. Excellent scum candidate. Please contribute more Vain. Also, Jackal is itching all my scum spots right now. Originally I had him written off as Day 1 Jackal, but a closer inspection makes him look alot dirtier. First he spent several posts deriding those players discussing ring mechanics. The discussion regarding the ring and its mechanics is fucking useless speculation? Ask yourself, what did Jackal spend the rest of the day doing? Speculating, Assuming and even VOTING based on ring mechanics. He also claims that he's fine with lynching either Prp or WBG and that both are scummy. Although after prplhz's last post he is putting forth a 100% complete scum agenda. I'm ok with lynching either of them. (WBG or prplhz) Yet later in the thread jackal makes two things very clear. One: WBG is very likely third party(pushes this multiple times) and Two: Jackal would vote for a scummy player but doesn't find anyone else scummy: Oh the one where I thought lynching a 3rd party suspect was better than a mislynch? Wait a minute? What happened to lynching Prphlz? You were fine with lynching him as scum, and would rather lynch scum than third party, yet are not pushing you're scummy read(prp) over you're third party read(WBG). This does not jive at all. What changed? On an unrelated note, Jackal is posting things that don't make sense, and making assumptions when there is no reason to make those certain assumptions. Typically I would just brush this off as strange town play, but Jackal is continuing to not make sense. In my experience when players continue to not make sense it is because they are scum. Why? Because they have addition information which lets them see things in a different light, that no town player should see. Kurumi in PYPI, Nisani(or sinani) in Merc Mini 2. Jackal is super scummy. ------------- The flip: First and foremost is cirryandor being bodygaurd: I or prp flip town when either of us dies, I can assure you the other is town as well with him flipping town mason, that means prp is most certainly town, and most certainly frodo. With Prp taking the hit and not Sam, I can only assume that prp was vigged. Mafia have zero incentive to kill Prp, unless they somehow knew he was frodo, which would explain both the hit and the Day 1 wagon. We gain oodles of info and clarity from prp dying. Prplhz is now confirmed town This means we derive very little from the day 1 lynch, as both Prp, WBG and Eradorr were town. With three townie wagons it means scum had everywhere to hide. In my opinion this makes those players staying on the WBG wagon look worst, and anyone switching votes around look more town. Mafia had no reason to flutter their votes, so I doubt they would have done so unneccesarily. On September 20 2011 08:19 chaoser wrote: Woe is my life as I have been shot. Thankfully I am not dead. Don't worry though shooter, I have your bullet and I hope to return the favor. I always repay my debts. This either means scum have 4 KP, a vig(s?) shot night 1, or you are lying. Are you claiming that you are both a vet and a vig? Can you shoot during the day or only at night? At this point you need to roleclaim. If someone shot chaoser they should claim. If someone shot anybody they should claim. 4 KP is way too high unless we have an assload of prot roles. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:55 GreYMisT wrote: Can anyone counter claim frodo? because if this is true we lose another major lynch target from yesterday. Any counter claim is BS. Ciryandor made it clear he was masoned with prp. There is no way a town mason would post that unless they were telling the truth. Though if scum want to try it it's fine by me.... | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:58 Radfield wrote: The flip: First and foremost is cirryandor being bodygaurd: with him flipping town mason, that means prp is most certainly town, and most certainly frodo. With Prp taking the hit and not Sam, I can only assume that prp was vigged. Mafia have zero incentive to kill Prp, unless they somehow knew he was frodo, which would explain both the hit and the Day 1 wagon. We gain oodles of info and clarity from prp dying. Prplhz is now confirmed town I missed the quoted portion from Cirryandor. Disregard what i stated in my above post about needed a counter claim for prp. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Are you claiming that you are both a vet and a vig? Can you shoot during the day or only at night? At this point you need to roleclaim. Why are you blue fishing? I was shot and survived. That is all that matters. I am not claiming that I'm a vigi. I'm not claiming that I'm a vet. I'm not claiming anything. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:04 chaoser wrote: Why are you blue fishing? I was shot and survived. That is all that matters. I am not claiming that I'm a vigi. I'm not claiming that I'm a vet. I'm not claiming anything. Except for the fact that you're claiming you were shot and lived. That's claiming something. It's very important. If it was a scum shot, that means 4 scum KP. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:04 chaoser wrote: Why are you blue fishing? I was shot and survived. That is all that matters. I am not claiming that I'm a vigi. I'm not claiming that I'm a vet. I'm not claiming anything. Are you saying you were joking about the "i have your bullet now" thing? I took this to mean that you had a role where if you were shot you gained a KP. Please clarify. If you're only claiming "I took a hit" then I'm cool with that. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
If someone shot chaoser they should claim. If someone shot anybody they should claim. 4 KP is way too high unless we have an assload of prot roles. And why are you assuming/implying that I was shot by town? Others have the ability to kill as well you know (like the mafia? or third parties?). | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:07 Radfield wrote: Are you saying you were joking about the "i have your bullet now" thing? I took this to mean that you had a role where if you were shot you gained a KP. Please clarify. If you're only claiming "I took a hit" then I'm cool with that. I took a shot and survived. I can't "take a shot, get a shot". The rest of my post was merely flavor text, I guess would be the best way to put it. It's LOTR, I wanna role play a little lol. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:34 Radfield wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2011 03:47 jcarlsoniv wrote: You seem so convinced that giving WBG the ring will get them out of the game. I don't know why you're so convinced.. However, the fact that Jackal keeps repeating this after being called out on it several times surprises me. It doesn't logically make sense as scum play. I would expect scum to drop it after a while. However, he seems really locked into his point of view on this, which I would expect more from a town player. Now, I definitely want people to keep the list of votes on erandorr in the back of their minds: Palmar Radfield Syllogism prplhz kitaman27 OriginalName Vain TranceStorm xtffc Think about how quickly the bandwagon formed and filled up. I knew it felt wrong, and I'll be the first to admit that I didn't feel confident enough in myself to argue against Radfield to try and stop it. Before Radfield's post, prpl was leading the lynch vote. This has only made me more suspicious of prpl, and it makes me really want to take a deep look into Radfield. Looking down the list, I see Palmar at the very top. His posts consist of: + Show Spoiler + hey guys, I'm in a good mood so I'm not gonna ruin it by reading the thread. See you tomorrow Radfield is a cool guy and Errandor has done nothing that looks like town posting. WBG is almost definitely not scum, just put yourselves in his shoes, why the shit would he post the things he's done if he was scum, he's basically piling on attention and scummyness by wanting to look for his precious, outright demanding it. I'll be voting for Errandor. filter Still in good mood, cba telling you why you're having a case of the bads. I don't like the case on prplhz either. DrH is giving me really bad vibes. These all wreak of uselessness. It also connects Palmar and Radfield. The little, scummy bandwagon that started on Erandorr starts with them. We also see prplhz jumping onto the Erandorr votes quickly. When I saw kitaman's name on the list, it made me realize just how little he had done this game. If you filter his posts, you won't find much of anything. It's mostly a lot of posts asking others their opinions, and not giving his own. In the couple posts that he did have opinions in, they were weak and not definitive. I'm definitely watching kita. You better start actually contributing. Lastly (for now): You cannot expect to say something like this and get away with it. You got some 'splainin to do. Erandorr was a fine lynch. Everyone seems to be coming out of the woodworks right now softballing suspicion on me, but it's awful easy to shout that after the lynch. You didn't feel confident enough to argue against it because you thought there was a decent chance he would flip scum, same as me. As far as Day 1 votes go, he was the best I had to offer, and better in my opinion than prp and much better than WBG. I was not the same as you. I didn't feel confident in myself to make a strong case against you, not because I believed you. On September 19 2011 04:48 Radfield wrote: Errandor is a fantastic Day 1 vote. You were very confident in your read on Erandorr, not that he would have a "decent chance" to flip scum. I also stated that I was uncomfortable with how quickly the bandwagon formed on Erandorr, but I should have taken it further and defended my point. You're attempted linking of me to a non-contributing player is noted. Particularly after he blatantly buddy-buddied me. If I flip town tonight is that supposed to give Palmar townie cred? Not at all. It's just something that I noted. Things that confirm players as town are deaths, and mod confirmed connections (like we just saw with cir and prp). Everyone is scum in my eyes until something like that happens. However you do have some good points. The bandwagon on Erandorr grew incredibly quick, and if prp does flip red, that gives us a ton of info. Frankly I screwed up yesterday. Not about lynching Erandorr, but about the timing. I thought Day was ending several hours later than it did, and forgot that it had been pushed up by 2-3 hours. 8 votes in 2 hours is exceptionally swift. This is the cause of 1 of 2 things: A good Day 1 case when there are no others(possible), or, a swing from a scum lynch to a town lynch(also possible). Ok, so we now know that prp is town. And, as you said, scum had a LOT of places to hide in yesterday's lynch targets. I definitely want to hear a LOT more from our veteran lurkers. iGrok, Palmar, etc... It really is no fun for us to beg. Stop hiding. Actually do something useful for the town. If you can't post and be useful for the town, then you are more than likely scum and need to be lynched. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
Will write up my thoughts on day 1 after I hit the gym. Interestingly enough both radfield and I lived. It's a miracle =D | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:07 chaoser wrote: And why are you assuming/implying that I was shot by town? Others have the ability to kill as well you know (like the mafia? or third parties?). Not once did I assume or imply that you were shot by town. Prp yes, but not you. Is it possible you were shot by town, certainly. It's also very possible you were shot by mafia/SK. It seems to me that it's YOU jumping to conclusions. Either way this gets us nowhere. On September 20 2011 09:20 jcarlsoniv wrote: You were very confident in your read on Erandorr, not that he would have a "decent chance" to flip scum. I also stated that I was uncomfortable with how quickly the bandwagon formed on Erandorr, but I should have taken it further and defended my point. A player with a "decent chance" to flip red is a fantastic day 1 lynch. If you want a number I would say I was 35-40% sure that Errandor would flip scum. That's about as strong as I ever get Day 1. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:52 Navillus wrote: Hey guys I have to apologize for sucking so much by mistaking blue reads for red, I also have to apologize because I joined this at a terrible time and I have basically 0 free time, so I'm asking for a replacement, sorry dude noone is good in their first game just do your best. i bet you're putting in more effort into this game than 2/3 of everybody else. come on man. On September 20 2011 09:03 Jackal58 wrote: My vote on Bugs stayed because I don't like him. Or more accurately I don't like how he plays. way to be totally fucking useless. you policy vote on a guy because you don't like him, what the fuck. you're ruining the game 100 times more than he is with your whining and calling for replacement. On September 20 2011 09:27 JeeJee wrote: I ran the message through some common ciphers.. got nowhere. It's too short for any analysis based approach so I figure it's best to forget about it until it comes to light again. Will write up my thoughts on day 1 after I hit the gym. Interestingly enough both radfield and I lived. It's a miracle =D one's a miracle, the other's a disaster. also i didn't get anything from the encoded string from caesar or from vigenere with random lotr related words. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Meant to preview not post On September 20 2011 09:20 jcarlsoniv wrote: I was not the same as you. I didn't feel confident in myself to make a strong case against you, not because I believed you. Are you insinuating that after you saw my case against Erandorr you were thinking about making a case against me? That is certainly not what I get from this quote: I knew it felt wrong, and I'll be the first to admit that I didn't feel confident enough in myself to argue against Radfield to try and stop it. This quote makes it sound as though you were only trying to stop a lynch on Erandorr, not make a case against me. Were you planning to argue to defend Erandorr because you thought he was town, or to attack me because you thought I was scum. Or both. Please explain. On September 20 2011 09:27 JeeJee wrote: I ran the message through some common ciphers.. got nowhere. It's too short for any analysis based approach so I figure it's best to forget about it until it comes to light again. Will write up my thoughts on day 1 after I hit the gym. Interestingly enough both radfield and I lived. It's a miracle =D Option 1: Lurk hardcare, make an absurdly scummy self vote to distract mafia. Option 2: Lead a lynch on a townie. Equally successful, but I'll take option 2 everytime  Please use your newfound Day 2 life effectively and show us why scum like to kill you day 1  | ||
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