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jcarlsoniv
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On September 19 2011 08:48 kitaman27 wrote: Wait, what? Is there a scum politician or something? He never posted to change his vote. Dear Mig, are the votes correct? Or did you make a silly typo? Love, jcarl | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On September 19 2011 09:00 wherebugsgo wrote: Can someone summarize why Erandor became the lynch? I've read most of the posts that were made while I was gone and it's not really making sense to me. Because of this: On September 19 2011 04:48 Radfield wrote: Errandor is a fantastic Day 1 vote. Lets break down what we're looking for: 1. Low-Mid range activity 2. Vote Contradictions 3. Paragraphy vote posts with BS reasoning 4. 'Contribution' posts that say nothing + Show Spoiler + Lol I think Wbg is just trying to be palmar right now (which is a pretty fucking stupid idea) If there are post restrictions I would be really surprised because Curu really hates those things . But then he might just take it out on us or do it for some sort of balance reasons so its pure speculation. First post details that WBG is probably just trolling, and while stupid, isn't really worth much attention. Frankly I agree, but whoops with his second real post Errandor is now willing to vote out WBG: We've gone from WBG trolling to now being worthy of getting lynched day 1. This is the most BS post in the thread right now. First we have the contradiction. Second we have the justification that even if he is town, he's worth getting rid of. NOPE. I realize that's not precisely what's been written, but that is absolutely the intent. Third, this is a complete and utter bandwagon. WBG picks up a couple votes, and Erandorr slides into the scene. Fourth you add in a bit of extra post restriction business which does nothing but cut him down. This is not why we vote! This entire post is showing that Errandor justification for voting WBG is not in fact that he's scum, but rather a bad townie who deserves to die. An hour and a half later, Errandor posts this: "Okay I read the whole thread now." Whoops scum slip. Why are you voting for a player AND THEN reading the thread? Not how townies play. This is all followed by a bunch more suspicion on WBG, but no actual points against him: + Show Spoiler + I forgot to vote earlier but lets just get wbg out of the game, I feel really uncomfortably by what he was doing. The reason I want you out is that you clearly have an agenda other than catching scum. That just makes me uncomfortable. To paraphrase: "You're actually playing good now, but you trolled before. You're targets are all good, but your behaviour is bad" It's hard to justify killing townies when you're scum isn't it? Errandor is very scummy, and likely the best vote we'll get: ##Vote: Erandorr And the subsequent bandwagon happened VERY quickly. I'm more than willing to bet there are multiple scum on this list: Palmar Radfield Syllogism prplhz kitaman27 OriginalName Vain TranceStorm xtffc | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On September 19 2011 09:04 wherebugsgo wrote: Did he get lynched solely because of the edit? That was sort of the last nail in the coffin. If there were any people on the fence before that, the edit pushed them over the edge. But the bandwagon started before the edit. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On September 19 2011 18:32 Jackal58 wrote: Alright, it's night time now. Give Bugs the ring and get him out of here. You seem so convinced that giving WBG the ring will get them out of the game. I don't know why you're so convinced.. However, the fact that Jackal keeps repeating this after being called out on it several times surprises me. It doesn't logically make sense as scum play. I would expect scum to drop it after a while. However, he seems really locked into his point of view on this, which I would expect more from a town player. Now, I definitely want people to keep the list of votes on erandorr in the back of their minds: Palmar Radfield Syllogism prplhz kitaman27 OriginalName Vain TranceStorm xtffc Think about how quickly the bandwagon formed and filled up. I knew it felt wrong, and I'll be the first to admit that I didn't feel confident enough in myself to argue against Radfield to try and stop it. Before Radfield's post, prpl was leading the lynch vote. This has only made me more suspicious of prpl, and it makes me really want to take a deep look into Radfield. Looking down the list, I see Palmar at the very top. His posts consist of: + Show Spoiler + hey guys, I'm in a good mood so I'm not gonna ruin it by reading the thread. See you tomorrow Radfield is a cool guy and Errandor has done nothing that looks like town posting. WBG is almost definitely not scum, just put yourselves in his shoes, why the shit would he post the things he's done if he was scum, he's basically piling on attention and scummyness by wanting to look for his precious, outright demanding it. I'll be voting for Errandor. filter Still in good mood, cba telling you why you're having a case of the bads. I don't like the case on prplhz either. DrH is giving me really bad vibes. These all wreak of uselessness. It also connects Palmar and Radfield. The little, scummy bandwagon that started on Erandorr starts with them. We also see prplhz jumping onto the Erandorr votes quickly. When I saw kitaman's name on the list, it made me realize just how little he had done this game. If you filter his posts, you won't find much of anything. It's mostly a lot of posts asking others their opinions, and not giving his own. In the couple posts that he did have opinions in, they were weak and not definitive. I'm definitely watching kita. You better start actually contributing. Lastly (for now): On September 19 2011 08:42 Ciryandor wrote: Errandor you derp. I may die tonight... You cannot expect to say something like this and get away with it. You got some 'splainin to do. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On September 20 2011 09:04 chaoser wrote: Why are you blue fishing? I was shot and survived. That is all that matters. I am not claiming that I'm a vigi. I'm not claiming that I'm a vet. I'm not claiming anything. Except for the fact that you're claiming you were shot and lived. That's claiming something. It's very important. If it was a scum shot, that means 4 scum KP. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On September 20 2011 07:34 Radfield wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2011 03:47 jcarlsoniv wrote: You seem so convinced that giving WBG the ring will get them out of the game. I don't know why you're so convinced.. However, the fact that Jackal keeps repeating this after being called out on it several times surprises me. It doesn't logically make sense as scum play. I would expect scum to drop it after a while. However, he seems really locked into his point of view on this, which I would expect more from a town player. Now, I definitely want people to keep the list of votes on erandorr in the back of their minds: Palmar Radfield Syllogism prplhz kitaman27 OriginalName Vain TranceStorm xtffc Think about how quickly the bandwagon formed and filled up. I knew it felt wrong, and I'll be the first to admit that I didn't feel confident enough in myself to argue against Radfield to try and stop it. Before Radfield's post, prpl was leading the lynch vote. This has only made me more suspicious of prpl, and it makes me really want to take a deep look into Radfield. Looking down the list, I see Palmar at the very top. His posts consist of: + Show Spoiler + hey guys, I'm in a good mood so I'm not gonna ruin it by reading the thread. See you tomorrow Radfield is a cool guy and Errandor has done nothing that looks like town posting. WBG is almost definitely not scum, just put yourselves in his shoes, why the shit would he post the things he's done if he was scum, he's basically piling on attention and scummyness by wanting to look for his precious, outright demanding it. I'll be voting for Errandor. filter Still in good mood, cba telling you why you're having a case of the bads. I don't like the case on prplhz either. DrH is giving me really bad vibes. These all wreak of uselessness. It also connects Palmar and Radfield. The little, scummy bandwagon that started on Erandorr starts with them. We also see prplhz jumping onto the Erandorr votes quickly. When I saw kitaman's name on the list, it made me realize just how little he had done this game. If you filter his posts, you won't find much of anything. It's mostly a lot of posts asking others their opinions, and not giving his own. In the couple posts that he did have opinions in, they were weak and not definitive. I'm definitely watching kita. You better start actually contributing. Lastly (for now): You cannot expect to say something like this and get away with it. You got some 'splainin to do. Erandorr was a fine lynch. Everyone seems to be coming out of the woodworks right now softballing suspicion on me, but it's awful easy to shout that after the lynch. You didn't feel confident enough to argue against it because you thought there was a decent chance he would flip scum, same as me. As far as Day 1 votes go, he was the best I had to offer, and better in my opinion than prp and much better than WBG. I was not the same as you. I didn't feel confident in myself to make a strong case against you, not because I believed you. On September 19 2011 04:48 Radfield wrote: Errandor is a fantastic Day 1 vote. You were very confident in your read on Erandorr, not that he would have a "decent chance" to flip scum. I also stated that I was uncomfortable with how quickly the bandwagon formed on Erandorr, but I should have taken it further and defended my point. You're attempted linking of me to a non-contributing player is noted. Particularly after he blatantly buddy-buddied me. If I flip town tonight is that supposed to give Palmar townie cred? Not at all. It's just something that I noted. Things that confirm players as town are deaths, and mod confirmed connections (like we just saw with cir and prp). Everyone is scum in my eyes until something like that happens. However you do have some good points. The bandwagon on Erandorr grew incredibly quick, and if prp does flip red, that gives us a ton of info. Frankly I screwed up yesterday. Not about lynching Erandorr, but about the timing. I thought Day was ending several hours later than it did, and forgot that it had been pushed up by 2-3 hours. 8 votes in 2 hours is exceptionally swift. This is the cause of 1 of 2 things: A good Day 1 case when there are no others(possible), or, a swing from a scum lynch to a town lynch(also possible). Ok, so we now know that prp is town. And, as you said, scum had a LOT of places to hide in yesterday's lynch targets. I definitely want to hear a LOT more from our veteran lurkers. iGrok, Palmar, etc... It really is no fun for us to beg. Stop hiding. Actually do something useful for the town. If you can't post and be useful for the town, then you are more than likely scum and need to be lynched. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On September 20 2011 09:40 Radfield wrote: + Show Spoiler + Meant to preview not post Are you insinuating that after you saw my case against Erandorr you were thinking about making a case against me? That is certainly not what I get from this quote: This quote makes it sound as though you were only trying to stop a lynch on Erandorr, not make a case against me. Were you planning to argue to defend Erandorr because you thought he was town, or to attack me because you thought I was scum. Or both. Please explain. Option 1: Lurk hardcare, make an absurdly scummy self vote to distract mafia. Option 2: Lead a lynch on a townie. Equally successful, but I'll take option 2 everytime  Please use your newfound Day 2 life effectively and show us why scum like to kill you day 1  No, I meant I wasn't confident in making a case against your case, not against you. A player with a "decent chance" to flip red is a fantastic day 1 lynch. If you want a number I would say I was 35-40% sure that Errandor would flip scum. That's about as strong as I ever get Day 1. Makes enough sense. My Day 1 play has always been very poor, and it's something I want to work on. Plenty of stuff I still need to learn =) | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On September 20 2011 12:18 chaos13 wrote: Although before I leave.. People you should trust: - Dr. H - TranceStorm - prplhz - Navillus (be skeptical, but I highly doubt he's scum) Watch out for Radfield I will not accept something like this. Give reasons. Separate note: Hope you sort things out and come back soon. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On September 20 2011 19:02 Palmar wrote: This shit sucks, I thought I made enough posts, my bad guys. And DrH dying sucks, because it means I can't just tunnel him today, I actually need to find another scum today. prplhz should probably give the ring away to his strongest townread. I'd go with one of Radfield, Sandroba, myself and pyo. These are the things I get from this post: 1. You are intentionally lurking, which hurts town. I hate lurkers, they ruin the game. 2. Maybe DrH dying sucks more for you cuz you've lost your mafia overlord. Must be rough. 3. Your "strongest townreads" consist of at least 2 people that I think could very well be scum. On September 20 2011 21:59 Palmar wrote: No don't worry about it. I'm just pointing out something that is a fact, but it is absolutely not necessary for you guys to see it right now, it'll come later. Unacceptable. You want us to just take for granted that you are town, and that we'll understand why later? Absolutely not. It is YOUR job to convince us that you are town. We're not just gonna let you prance around on your merry way and not question you about it, especially after you've been intentionally lurking. On September 20 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote: In any case, if you're lying, you should consider giving it away. btw, Sandroba is almost definitely town, but only if he takes his vote off me. I'm basically confirmed town from my exchanges with DrH, but only people like sandroba/syllo etc will see it. Lol? "Sandroba is definitely town, and his vote on me is super accurate, so it should come off of me." How are you even remotely confirmed town. Again, it is not your job to tell us you're town. It's our job to understand and analyze from your posts and activity that you could be town. Oh, but wait, you haven't had any posts or activity worth noting. Guess you aren't confirmed town. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On September 20 2011 23:24 Palmar wrote: lol, watch me give a shit jcarl. Oh, well in that case, you certainly won't mind if you earn my vote. ##vote Palmar | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On September 21 2011 04:04 Archon_Toilet wrote: JCARLSONIV - on the prplhz wagon who is now confirmed townie True. I made a bad read. It happens. - Defends Sauron doctorh How is this remotely defending DrH? This was early in the game. When people vote for someone, they need to give reasons. If you check my past games, I think I've said something like this is most of them. - Just crapping on about lurkers but doesnt actually say anything Oh? I thought I had been fairly active this game. How have I not been saying anything? - Desperate to keep attention on the erandorr bandwagon rather than the one he was on. Mentions every single name on multiple occasions. This is important. It is highly likely mafia on the other big bandwagon as well, why ignore them? This is because the Erandorr bandwagon happened in ~2hrs. This was highly suspicious. At the time, there were 3 other lynch candidates, 2 of which have now flipped town. I'm sure there were scum on all of the candidates (except maybe jackal, cuz we still don't know his allignment.) - Has claimed a personal interest in the ring. We know who Frodo is. Can only be Gollum or one of the nazgul. And? You'd be a fool to think that only Frodo, Gollum, and mafia have an interest in the Ring. - accuses ciryandor (confirmed town) of being mafia cos he defended bugs (confirmed town) and prplhz (confirmed town) Again, pretty early in the game. I can play aggressively at times (as you can see with my vote on Palmar), and there are plenty of times when I'm wrong (especially day 1). Bad votes, defends the godfather, attacks townies over and over. Has generally caused chaos, most of his post long quotewall noone can read. How have I caused chaos?? And if you're not going to read the posts, then why are you playing the damn game. Vote to kill him. He is probably a nazgul. Nooooope. [spoiler]Chuck Testa[/spoiler] Also, iGrok's claim makes sense for his activity, but unless we can confirm with some kind of check I don't want to trust it at all. Could be a very clever ruse by scum to nab the Ring. But: [B]On September 21 2011 12:05 iGrok wrote: That does nothing for me then. I'll contribute a bit, but unless I get the ring I'm not going to piss off the mafia. I mean...they now know your claim. If they want to kill you, they will. They know you have a kill that you haven't used yet. They could squash you tonight. Might as well help the town and show us there's a reason you deserve the Ring. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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- accuses ciryandor (confirmed town) of being mafia cos he defended bugs (confirmed town) and prplhz (confirmed town) Again, pretty early in the game. I can play aggressively at times (as you can see with my vote on Palmar), and there are plenty of times when I'm wrong (especially day 1). Bad votes, defends the godfather, attacks townies over and over. Has generally caused chaos, most of his post long quotewall noone can read. How have I caused chaos?? And if you're not going to read the posts, then why are you playing the damn game. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On September 22 2011 02:17 prplhz wrote: am i the only one who thinks that it's weird that the dude straight up claimed in the face of 3 votes if he was 3rd party he could just have made an analysis and then we'd have backed off but he chose to make an inconsistent claim instead and now he is not talking at all. the dude is so scum. But I don't understand, logically, why with only 3 votes, he would claim as scum. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On September 22 2011 02:29 Palmar wrote: Because scum sometimes overreact to pressure. Why would he do it as 3rd party survivor? He knows he will be lynched or killed eventually if he's telling the truth, but he isn't. I don't disagree with this. It just seems like a...really big overreaction as far as overreactions go. As for Drazerk, I felt that something was off with him watching him Day 1. I noticed it with their first two votes, and it seemed like they were holding hands throughout the game. Palmar, I'm glad you've started contributing. While I'm by no means convinced you're town, iGrok and/or Drazerk definitely feel more scummy. Now I gotta figure out who I'd rather vote for. ##unvote Palmar | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On September 22 2011 03:25 Drazerk wrote: Right lets kill two birds with one stone shall we? I am a medic I protected iGrok and that's how he survived Syllo's cleave. I got a notification about iGrok getting hit so we can confirm Syllo is a day vigi with some extra powers on top. Now can we vote for someone more productive? Idk, can we vote for someone more productive? Is it possible? Why should we believe you? | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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(Assuming medics exist) Does medic protection carry over into the day? Not even sure if you can answer this. | ||
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On September 22 2011 03:38 prplhz wrote: this is a clusterfuck of clusterfucking. igrok needs to die and then some other medic/jailor can protect drazerk tonight and tomorrow we'll know if drazerk told the truth. if he did then he's confirmed, if not then he's scum. Well...if he doesn't die, that either tells us he was protected, or he wasn't hit. He would only be left alive if he were scum. But say he's a medic, and gets protection. That medic would have to claim they protected him and that he was hit, and we've outed a medic to scum, right? I'm not sure that's the best course of action. Although, I'll admit, I'm pretty lost right now. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On September 22 2011 03:47 prplhz wrote: jcarlson, i mean from igrok's flip we can see if he is a veteran scum and thus would survive syllo's hit .. then drazerk obviously didn't protect him and he's scum ... if he flips non-veteran SK-type role then drazerk obviously did protect him and he's not scum. Makes sense, but something still doesn't feel right about the iGrok lynch. I don't know where to put my vote T_T | ||
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On September 22 2011 03:52 syllogism wrote: Yes jcarlsoniv, you haven't had any opinions whole game long really That's not even remotely true. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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I'm a few pages behind, but im gonna throw my vote on jackal. Don't like how easily he got off yesterday. ##vote jackal58 | ||
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