EPTTL Mafia XLIV - Page 77
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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InserT_FreQ
United States99 Posts
On August 25 2011 01:10 BrownBear wrote: My post was criticizing town play in general, not any specific player. Which was how everyone was reading it until you decided to post this. Don't try to pin that shit on me. True, it's not yelling at a player, but it's still unhelpful to the town imo, so I threw it up there. My appologies. Speaking of which... + Show Spoiler + On August 24 2011 14:15 Varpulis wrote: InserT, who are you actually? The fact that you know who foolishness is and why he's expected to be dead by now leads me to believe that you're a smurf. I apologize in advance if you're not. Welcome to the game! Town is currently a mess, DropBear is an idiot, and scum is most likely laughing their head's off right about now. I'm going to bed. ![[image loading]](http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/9551718.jpg) | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
He's not discussing issues with town, then decrying every lynch by making his votes meaningless. He's complaining of bad town play, while simultaneously playing badly. I'll be voting for Palmar. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Seriously, mafia are usually afk at nighttime. When have you ever seen mafia blatantly arguing with town like you guys are? Why should they choose to be out in the open arguing with you all when they can just go afk and let it blow over? If Palmar suddenly disappeared you would notice for a while then forget all about him as you go to lynch supersoft. Don't even try to deny it. The lurker list is huge this game. You guys are providing a horrible atmosphere to the town. Although I guess through this you've all pretty much confirmed each other as town (except BrownBear obviously). If you're all writing angry posts you definitely are not thinking clearly and thus your judgment is null. Gee you lynched a townie who was pretty suspicious. Oh well move on and learn from it. Have you guys even reread Hiro's posts and see who he was having conversations with? Lay off each other and think for yourselves. I thought Hiro was mafia from the beginning of the day because he's one of the people that fell into my trap. Instead of trying to get your post count up why don't you try to learn from our mistake and see if we can get any leads based on Hiro's posting. If anyone is just reading this, don't read pages 74 through 77. I've seen less bantering and more logical arguments in the general forum. I'm almost happy I'm going to be dying tonight because this is just ridiculous. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Medic protects: Foolishness DropBear Jackal Watchers: Foolishness DropBear | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On August 25 2011 03:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Foolishness I'd like your thoughts on Palmar please. I stated above that I'm sure anyone who's posting around now is town (exception of our favorite colored bear poster). I believe I said earlier in the game (day 1) that I thought he was town as well. He's too aggressive in his posting to be mafia. When he's mafia he has the "blend-in" posts which for him consists of two paragraphs where he doesn't use the word 'fuck' or aggressively say anything. Like this from PTP2: On July 27 2011 01:59 Palmar wrote: By the way, just for reference, Fishball claimed cop in CCM, and he was in no way confirmed, but in that game BC was willing to lie, because he was convinced that Fishball was telling the truth. He was willing to falsely confirm a cop claim he believed, because that's how much he trusted Fishball's claim. I just have no idea how this does even fly, and the constant threats that anyone who votes for you will be held accountable. I'll be the first person to be held accountable for you, I want you checked, or dead. His willingness to flat out argue in the thread (like he's doing now) just does not seem reasonable for mafia. When he's mafia, he'll call people stupid and say 'fuck', but I've never seen him get into a long argument like he is doing now. But you know his attitude is so detrimental to the town right now you might as well kill him if he keeps this up. The one strange thing I've noticed about Palmar is that as mafia he likes to accuse his scum buddies day 1/2. He did that to me in PTP2. I nearly have enough proof to show that BrownBear is mafia, and Palmar did accuse BrownBear day 1. So now I wonder.... | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
At the moment I'm leaning scum on Palmar but I agree with the last part of Foolishness's post; if Palmar continues to degrade the town atmosphere it'd be beneficial to lynch him. Day 1 and yesterday until the last two hours I tended to read Palmar's posts and take them with a grain of salt, but after that... Also if you're suggesting we look at lurkers, foolish, then we should pick out the scummiest lurker and vote him. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On August 25 2011 04:28 chaoser wrote: @Foolishness, I still think we should get mig lynched. He's like 90% mafia in my eyes. His early contradiction followed by his posting patterns (scarcely and only when needed) are all red in my eyes. Of course. But BrownBear should be the next person to follow. RayzorFlash is probably mafia as well. | ||
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RayzorFlash
Canada253 Posts
His posts, and not promoting an ideal town, while definitely scummy, do seem to have a lot of "frustrated town" to them... I'd like to try following his lead once and seeing what that gets us I still haven't reread the whole thread yet, hopefully will have some time to do it tonight and post some analysis tomorrow | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On August 25 2011 04:09 chaoser wrote: He just said everyone from 74 to 77 is town you dolt. Let's make some lists: Medic protects: Foolishness DropBear Jackal Watchers: Foolishness DropBear Okay, first of all, there's literally NO need to be a dick. I understand that Foolishness said that he thought everyone from 74 - 77 was town. I didn't ask if he thought he was town or scum, either. What I asked for were his thoughts, which he provided. Why are you on Foolish's nuts so hard right now? He can speak for himself, and I don't recall asking you anything. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On August 25 2011 04:54 RayzorFlash wrote: I'm inclined to lean with actually believing Palmar this time and seeing what it gets us... As much as it pains me to say it, for the last two days we've been collectively either ignoring or campaigning against him entirely, when he's been right almost consistently... His posts, and not promoting an ideal town, while definitely scummy, do seem to have a lot of "frustrated town" to them... I'd like to try following his lead once and seeing what that gets us I still haven't reread the whole thread yet, hopefully will have some time to do it tonight and post some analysis tomorrow The thing about this logic is this: if Palmar is scum, he'll know whether both good candidates for lynch are town or scum...and campaigning for one's innocence is VERY effective indeed if both lynch candidates are town. I'm not sold on the idea that we've had a scum on every lynch docket and we just picked the wrong guy. | ||
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InserT_FreQ
United States99 Posts
Look at it from the mafia's perspective: You have a townie up for lynch. He's ahead in the votes. Perfect, leave him alone, the town will lynch him with or without your help. Then, since you know that he's town, wait till it's too late, then push for someone else. At worst you get a no-lynch, at best it does nothing, and you gain some town cred for trying to save a townie. The thing is, by defending someone who nobody else is defending you betray extra knowledge. JeeJee did something extremely similar in a mini a while back where OriginalName was up for lynch, and everyone jumped on him. Jeejee defended him hardcore even though the arguments against ON were sound. There was no way that Jeejee could have known that he was town unless he had extra knowledge, and hey look. He turned out to be mafia. Second, vote-switches take a lot of time. Especially when Europe is asleep. Any sort of vote switch with less than 4-6 hours of time left is going to be impossible to pull off unless there are only a few players left. Starting one with 2 hours left served only to create chaos, and possible townie cred for you. (Obviously that last part didn't work out) It's important to look like town when you are town. It's not the priority, but it's still important. Starting that vote-switch was bad play. However, I've seen townies do all of that and then flip town. I think it's bad play but not a strong tell. So moving on from that. On August 24 2011 19:23 Palmar wrote: If we have the chance, I'd suggest to our vigilantes to focus on shooting active people tonight. The reason for this is that we severely lack information, so instead of shooting the scummiest lurkers like vigis usually should do, I'd ask you to shoot scummy active people. Town does NOT lynch/shoot for information. This is not a information hunting game, it's a scum hunting game. People who are active will slip up and be found out eventually. They are the worst possible target for vigs, unless special circumstances permit it. (i.e., They lied about something, accidentally said they were scum/traitor… Big things though) You say we lack information. We have over 70 pages of information. The only problem is that it's hard to dig through because of certain players excessive posting habits. I agree with foolishness that it would be strange for you to be this active as mafia, but pushing things like shooting active players is not just bad play, it's scummy. I haven't reached a conclusion one way or the other, because I've not had a chance to filter your posts, but the vig plan is making me thing twice pretty hard about you. | ||
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InserT_FreQ
United States99 Posts
People saying that palmar is scummy because he is right have something to thier arguments. There IS logic behind it. That being said, I do not hold those arguments to be very strong because I've seen townies do it too. It's something that would make me look at a player more closely, but not assume they are scum. Calling for vigs on active people is a really bad idea. Don't kill for information. I don't know how that got suggested. On to scumhunting. On August 21 2011 08:54 Trotske wrote: Two hours left in the day I don't think you are going to get a switch from sevryn to chaoser in that time. Lets stick with the lynch we have been going for the past day we don't want a no-lynch because someone forgot to switch their vote back. First off, that's terrible reasoning. The fact that you have been on him for that long should tell you something about his innocence. Whatever, it's bad logic, but it's what he holds to be true. On August 21 2011 09:54 Trotske wrote: Just curious about the reasons behind your vote on BrownBear. you didn't post anything in the thread. Btw i'm for a vote switch onto razor An hour later, he is now willing to vote-switch. Uh...huh. You call out someone else for trying to vote-switch, then say you'd be willing to switch to someone else an HOUR later. Also, he disappeared after this. Hasn't posted in 4 days? Why isn't he modkilled? + Show Spoiler + sorry if this betrays my ignorance of the first part of the thread. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On August 25 2011 05:12 Kurumi wrote: I totally don't need medic protect as vigilante ;u; sob if you really are vigilante, what I don't think you are, shoot nard, chaos13 or xtfftc. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On August 25 2011 05:31 supersoft wrote: if you really are vigilante, what I don't think you are, shoot nard, chaos13 or xtfftc. I seriously don't give a tiniest damn about what scum want to do with blues. Remember Flamwheel's recent game? "Why kill blues when You can make them waste their actions and THEN kill them?" - BloodyC0bbler. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174&user=53652 Read this and ask yourself what are Vain's serious contributions? Nothing. His posts consist of calling Palmar Town, casually suggesting nard and xtfftc as scum. Actually, he suggests nard and xtfftc as his top two scumreads with "I dunno" as his third. Let's take a look at the voting thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=256518&user=53652 Oh cool, he has two votes, both of which were extremely late votes on the person who was going to get lynched already. So he gives his top two scumreads when asked (note that he has never surrendered anything willingly) but does -nothing- to try to push his "reads" or draw attention to them/himself. Other than that he says some stuff like "if supersoft is townie we're fucked" - note this is when DB said he had a red check on supersoft. Why is he posting like he thinks supersoft is a Townie? Every other post is completely worthless. Nard is also a topic for everyone but nothing ever solidifies on him. Everything from his first post drips scumminess. He goes through these pointless lists that do nothing, like this: + Show Spoiler + 2. foolishness, why do you think Mig's post is more scummy than the last few posts of servyn? i kinda understand why the post sounds scummy as it adds nothing new and tries to convince, but what is your opinion about servyn then? 3. mig, foolishness has a point which shouldn't be forgotten. "Foolishness - I don't really agree with you that Mig is scummy. Mig - Foolishness is right, you are scummy, don't ignore him" WHAT Other than that leaves vague statements about how Town is doing, deposits his vote uselessly, never tries to lead anything or express an opinion. Like wtf is this post: here are my notes on hiro, will read up on Mig now. i have no idea what agenda hiro is pushing, except a way to obvious scummy one. Every day he includes a list of people he would like to look into or follow up on, every day he manages to only discuss a little bit of useless info then deposit his vote somewhere useless. The case against xtfftc has been worn out, but here's the latest: On August 24 2011 09:22 xtfftc wrote: Palmar, are you happy to push Chaos13's lynch with the condition that in case he is town, you die next? This is not Pro Town at all and is not indicative of a Pro Town mindset. No Townie can be certain of anyone else's alignment, we have to push our strongest reads. If everyone operated under the condition that if you are wrong you get lynched, nobody would ever try to push their opinions or develop leads. BrownBear doesn't have a single original post or opinion after the throwaway on JeeJee. Yeah you post a wall of text everyday, but it's a post-by-post analysis on one single person. You criticize Palmar for tunnelvision but look at yourself dude, except you don't even seem interested in trying to push your one tunneled person while Palmar is actually trying to get them lynched. chaos13 seems to be 1% less useless than he is when he's playing as scum. VE and Kurumi, I don't even know. | ||
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