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On August 23 2011 09:24 Jackal58 wrote:
Sure I did. It was a coin flip between you and Vain. It was your late vote on Sevryn to hammer home a lynch when it was almost shifted to Rayzor.
Explain please.
Ok look at everything surrounding sevryn's lynch
A) I tried to shift the lynch onto chaoser before anyone was really trying to save sevryn at all.
B) I didn't need to hammer home a lynch on sevryn. We needed 16 votes for majority, Rayzor only got up to 10 votes he was never in any real danger of being lynched. I voted sevryn because I had thought he was scummy all day and if you look at rayzor's post about taking the blame if sevryn was green it would be an incredibly ballsy thing for a 1st time mafia player to say. I voted for which one I thought was most likely to be scum.
C) And the main point is if I am scum and I knew sevryn was green why was I going through this effort? Why did I post giving my reason for sticking with him over rayzor? Rayzor didn't need saving I could have just sat back silently and avoided drawing attention to myself.
People are convicting me for getting sevryn lynched when none of you even know if rayzor is red. And at least I was around to give my opinion on what I thought was the best play.
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I know some people are going to cry omgus omgus vote here but I wanted to go back and look through all the posts of the people jumping on my bandwagon first. And dropbear looks extremely scummy to me. Here are the points against him
1) His play at the start of the game. Dropbear starts the game off with fluff posts concerning no lynches and his mayor thing. While palmar is attacking him and generating actual discussion that can be used to find scum, db is deflecting the discussion onto unrelated subjects. And as soon as soon as palmar calls him out on this db tries to turn it around and tries to actually take credit for getting discussion started. When really he has done 0 scum hunting and all his posts are bland ways to look like you are contributing.
2) Contradictions. Look at some of these quotes by db.
On August 21 2011 07:32 DropBear wrote:
I WOULD LIKE TO LYNCH HIRO PROTAGONIST
- Voting sevryn just because. No reasoning given.
On August 21 2011 07:49 DropBear wrote:
- I think the case against Mig is at this point non-existent
Ok so he wants to lynch hiro for not giving reasons for his sevryn vote, he also thinks there is no case against me. Then this is his post where he votes me on day2.
On August 23 2011 04:25 DropBear wrote:Ok so I'm ok with hiro now, he tried to lead the lynch off sevryn who flipped town so he gets brownies, at least temporarily. Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 04:15 supersoft wrote:
i just saw, mig already stacked 3 votes on him. Like I said earlier, I don't trust him etc. but for me it's too early to lynch him. Do show me where! If you don't trust him, why not lynch now? ##Vote Mig
Gives absolutely no reasons for voting me even though he had said earlier there was no case against me huh? What changed your mind dropbear? He also states he is fine with hiro now for trying to deflect the sevryn lynch when I had done the exact same thing.
3) Activity. Don't look at the amount of posts DB has overall but look at when he is active. He was extremely active right at the start of day 1 posting where he has a bunch of fluff and tried to claim town cred for it. However what about after that? He pretty much disappears then shows up right before the end of day 1 makes 2 short posts attacking hiro and chaoser and disappears. So he introduced 2 new candidates right at the end of the day BUT didn't stick around to actually push for their lynches. He knew sevryn was going to flip green and didn't want to get any backlash from it so instead he posted a couple short cases against people not in danger of being lynched and then vanished to let the town argue amongst themselves. And what about day2? We are 24 hours in and db has one post. This is classic mafia activity. Active right at the start of the game where he is trying to buy town cred for himself but once we get deeper in and real analysis starts he is completely MIA.
So seriously look at DB's posts and ask yourself what his motivations are. Has he put any effort into scum hunting? Does he care if town makes the correct decisions? No. He comes in posts a ton at the start to buy credit but afterwards he basically sits out of the sevryn lynch, doesn't push for the people he actually thinks are scummy to be lynched at all and then on day2 he votes for me because it is a chance to jump on a bandwagon to get a strong town player lynched even though he had said earlier there was no case against me.
#Vote Dropbear
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On August 23 2011 10:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
Last question for Mig: other than chaoser, who do you find scummy? What do you think of xtfftc, hiro, nard?
Once we get this I think I'll be ready to put together another post summing my ideas together.
I think db/chaoser are both hella scummy.
hiro - has contributed nothing but seems much more active than when I played with him in AA and he was scum. His posts also feel more bold to me, he was a lot more reserved and skittish before. So leaning town.
nard - scummy lurker, has a couple of posts where he just writes one line about a bunch of different subjects and contributes nothing. He only has like 4 posts though and he is very new but I would lean scum towards him.
xtfftc - initial posts I thought were extremely scummy. His first vote of palmar also was extremely suspect and wishy washy. He has a ton of posts where he doesn't seems to want to take a stand and several times he dodges questions people ask him. I would lynch him next if no one agreed with db/chaoser.
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On August 23 2011 10:46 Foolishness wrote:
Mig, may I take your accusation of DropBear to me that you think xtfftc is townie?
hm no why? Is there a connection I have missed between them?
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I made the case against DB because I thought he was the most likely to be scum.
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Curu did you just say my case against db is the best in the thread then vote for xtfftc? Wtf?
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Foolish I was also mafia in Real time mafia if you want to look at that.
My defense is the truth you can choose not to believe me but that's how it is. Also didn't you initially vote for me partially because my first attack against sevryn I said he was lol scum? What was that too much confidence?
And you are calling me out for blatant contradictions wtf? My post arguing for and against meta is not a contradiction there is good meta arguments and bad and your's was terrible. Look at the quotes from DB that is BLATANT contradictions. You are completely ignoring much stronger cases to tunnel me.
Foolishness' entire case against me is A) a very poor meta argument about me not having enough confidence and B) he was shot last night lol.
I urge people to read my case against dropbear with an open mind. The case against him is 10000x stronger. Virtually everything db has done falls perfectly in line with scum play.
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I am just stunned that you are trying to lynch based on something that wasn't even a contradiction and ignoring DB's posts which directly contradicted each other.
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Chaoser "found it" and I refuted it. How do people not see the difference between my meta argument against chaoser and your meta argument about my "attitude". Just baffling. Of course not every meta argument is the same, it's like saying every analysis in general is the same. I never said NO ONE EVER USES META. Your meta argument was vague and bad mine was specifically showing chaoser playing a new style which would not help town. There was no fucking contradiction.
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On August 23 2011 12:34 Foolishness wrote:
And where's the contradiction in DB's posts? The ones you quoted are nearly ~48 hours apart. Is a man not allowed to change his mind? He saw what chaoser and I posted against you at the beginning of the day and said the same thing we (chaoser and I did) "wow that's pretty good, must be mafia".
How about the fact he voted for hiro because he didn't give any reasons behind his vote. Then voted me without listing a single reason and he had said there was no case against me. Are you really arguing that isn't a contradiction. I mean come on.
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No foolish argued about the tone of my post not being my town meta, which he is continuing to do. He didn't discuss the content of my posts in regards to meta at all just the tone.
My argument against you was that your entire style of play was different (more fluff posts not actually writing up analysis or doing scum hunting).
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No but I am saying he voted for hiro because hiro didn't list any reasons. He immediately turns around and votes me listing ZERO reasons.
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Also I did call out jackal wtf? And he gave me his reason asked me a question and I responded.
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Btw foolish if you were mafia who would you have shot last night?
Myself/chaoser/palmar/BB all had votes and suspicions placed on them. You were one of the only vets who wasn't suspected. I think you probably take a shot almost every night unless the mafia were afraid of you being protected.
And I understand that you are just using being shot as a small part of why I am mafia but the fact that you are using it at all shows how weak your case against me is because realistically there is virtually no connection there.
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Right I understand it is just part of your overall case, but my point is I don't really think it even connects me. I mean if you were one of the mafia who would you have shot? I have a hard time believing you wouldn't have shot yourself.
So if I take that out completely I am left with just your meta arguments. Which basically consist of me not posting with enough confidence, except for my first attack on sevryn which was too confident?
Right now you seem dead set on tunneling me with a much weaker case than the one against dropbear just because you are suspicious of me. If palmar/chaoser had posted against db I think you would be a lot more open to it.
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Huh I am the current vote leader. How am I not on the chopped block? I mean did you expect all 6 of the scum to just auto vote me at the start of the day or what? For one thing I doubt the mafia are going to risk piling all their votes on at once, especially since they know I am going to flip town. So they probably have a couple jump on early have more people who say they are suspicious of me but not vote yet and jump on later, chaos13, hiro, palmar etc have all expressed their suspicions of me and could easily change their vote before the deadline.
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I mean before I started defending myself I had 6 votes almost half the total votes cast in the game were on me. Just how many votes did you expect me to have less than half way through the day?
And did you see a single person defend me before I defended myself? There is no way my play has been so scummy or your case so strong that if I am mafia that not even 1 would post defending me.
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On August 23 2011 18:16 Palmar wrote:
@Mig
How did you not see the fact that sevryn was going to flip town on day 1? That's very unusual for you.
Meh it didn't seem so obvious to me. All of his actions from early on and the middle of the day were scummy and they were different than his play in the last 2 games I had played with him where he was generally much more passive early on as town. His defense late seemed more townie but even that I thought could still have been plausible scum play trying to last ditch save himself.
What do you think about my case against Dropbear?
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Barundar what are you even talking about disappeared? Have you read at all what I posted today? Did you even look at my case against dropbear.
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I have posted like 50 times today and you are voting for me because I disappeared after being pegged? Brilliant.
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