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I would very much like a NON PM game. So I'll out if it is PM. Doubt anyone cares though, just will free up a slot for someone else. | ||
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-_- I'll support sandro/Foolish/BC for mayor if I feel any of them are town. That'll take some reading. Which I don't feel like doing right now. Right now, I feel like playing Akali. The rest of you: if you are voting anyone other than those three, please explain why. | ||
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On January 13 2012 18:34 Palmar wrote: I have no intentions of running for mayor or caring much about the mayor elections. I'm probably going to be voting VisceraEyes, depending on how dumb he will be through the day. lynch Palmar for this please | ||
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alright, need to sleep after this. However, minimal reasoning follows: in every game I've ever played with Palmar that has a mayoral election, he has cared greatly about it. He has run for office. He has run strongly. The exception is PYP:I, where he was just smurfing (so that's understandable) but he still cared who got elected. In this game, he's doing his standard scum shit. I.E. being bad. Kill him. Also Erandorr if you continue to be worthless I'd probably consider killing you too. | ||
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I repeat, BloodyC0bbler, mason me please. Thank you. Also, I want to kill Palmar, so any mayoral candidate who supports lynching him will get my vote. Since I haven't seen anyone explicitly say that yet, if you want Palmar to die just vote me and I'll lynch him if I become mayor. Still in the process of reading, on page 35 now. | ||
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On January 14 2012 05:31 ~OpZ~ wrote: The Mason this game is more just about whispering it looks like. It really isn't that strong in the game. They can't create circles or nothing. They can disseminate roles privately I suppose but the threat is always there that the mason is mafia. As you yourself might be BC. I don't really see too much power in the role as of the moment. Especially if you play the game as such as to ignore pms. You're a vet, right? I want to kill you for this too, cause you're not acting like a vet by saying masons are not powerful. They are by far the most powerful types of roles in both the hands of scum and town. On January 14 2012 06:02 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'm still wondering the proper benefits to the mass mason claim. I'm neutral as again, the role seems rather bland for the town this game. Being a mason doesn't confirm you. I'd like to know the general town consensus. So far I see Sandroba screaming for mass mason claim. Which I suppose all of the whisperers being public knowledge would be a good thing. But I don't wanna feel like sheep. I suppose theres no way around it though, or that its really important. I'm Mason #2. And I mason'd BC. But he won't talk to me. *cries* You smell weird, scum. Everyone take a moment to read this post and see how damn neutral it is. There is no actual content and the language is meek. and this one : On January 14 2012 06:44 ~OpZ~ wrote: Sheth....For real? That is your reason for voting for someones who already stated that their activity will be waning? Would all it take to get you to change to BC or Sandroba be a declaration of lynching Ciry or is it just because he has already chosen his lynch target? Bill, I don't really think Sandroba is scum because he called for a mason mass claim. So did BC in a round-a-bout way. I personally don't view the role with much power, so I don't know. I've been trying all day to think of a way to make it useful, but seriously, just ignoring pms this game seems the most highly logical play I could think of. I mean, I'm still gonna try and pm you. <3 Ya Buddddddddy.  Welcome back.loooooooooool My final message for now: If you want to be useful, stop discussing shit like whether masons are town favored or scum favored. Agree that they're powerful and stop wasting valuable discussion and scumhunting time. Instead, use it to actually find scum. If you can't do this, please show yourself so I can push for your lynch. | ||
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On January 14 2012 10:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Also, BC when are you claiming who you masoned with? I'd like confirmation about your role. Right now, I'm leaning town on you. I've seen you manipulate townies before in PM as scum, and in light of that, your mason claim makes it seem like you're more likely to be town. I don't see a benefit for a scum BC to claim mason, when it puts a lot of pressure and suspicion on himself, when instead he can just win the election and use his secret mason role to manipulate townies. Instead, you're going to be forced to pretty much claim your target every day, and anyone you talk to is instantly going to be more on guard after all the discussion today. let's get this straight right now, so we don't have to deal with this later: BC's mason claim is NOT reflective of his alignment in any way, shape, or form. If he's scum, people saying "oh yeah his mason claim makes him more likely to be town" and then voting him are exactly what he wants! Good scum take calculated risks like this, and this very well could be a calculated move to get the mayoral position. Since the mason claim is not indicative of alignment, please do not suggest that it is, because such a suggestion is not even close to conclusive or useful. | ||
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On January 14 2012 10:35 Toadesstern wrote: yeah that's what i keep saying. Or at least I tried to. I see his claim as reasonable in some situations and it's it could be good for both, townie and mafia BC. I'm pretending that mason never happened at this point in time, I'd also like to leave palmar for d2 to see what changes. It's not like he's going to run away and if he's still behaving like that, fine lynch if. For the time being we got some better candidates to look at imo. no, screw leaving people till day 2. If he's useless now he'll be useless day 2. Kill him. I couldn't care less about veterans and usefulness later on or all of that bs. If you're a vet and I think you're scum day 1 I want you to die day 1. Palmar fits this perfectly. Just look at his filter if you don't believe me; he's had a full day (and by EU time it was an actual day, I've only had about 6 hours worth if you compare) and all of his posts have been one liner marginal content bull. He also refuses to respond to any sort of pressure and has been completely incapable of any sort of scumhunting. He's scum. Just kill him. | ||
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On January 14 2012 10:38 Foolishness wrote: Mattchew For Mayor! You heard it from me first! No I am not giving up on my campaign for the one and only BILL MURRAY. Rather it has come to my attention that my other client, the esteemed Mattchew the Mason has decided to run for mayor as well! How do I know my client is a mason? Duh! I have only been talking to him all day long! And he will come in shortly to confirm that! Of course he has chosen to done this because he thinks it is best for him to claim mason. I am not sure how I personally feel about the other mason's claiming but I can tell you this: Mattchew is most certainly a town mason and not a mafia one, and the both of us think he will be perfect in office. You should obviously be taking this with a grain of salt, but if I thought Mattchew was actually a mafia mason I'd be saying so right now in a very "haha sucker!" sort of manor. Since I'm not you can be sure that I have done my analysis and confirmed that he is innocent (and I encourage everyone to do the same based on his thread posts). That said Mattchew has my full support in getting into office. Let's face it, none of us what to get screwed over in the event that BC is mafia. The thought of BC laughing hysterically after the game is over at playing us all for fools is not something that sits right in my stomach (not that I think he's actually mafia, but better safe than sorry right?) Thus let's take a more simpler approach and vote a mason who we know will be giving his all and not screwing us behind the scenes! Mattchew For Mayor! stop trolling and answer me this: do you think Palmar is mafia? | ||
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If he's town he'll actually put in effort. This is not WIFOM because if he were town he would not want to confuse us. He would be clear about establishing himself as a townie and the "WIFOM" you speak of wouldn't exist. Honestly there is no WIFOM, the only possibility for Palmar at this point is scum. Since you keep saying let's keep him till day 2, I assume you have a better candidate for us to lynch? Why don't you give us that candidate? If not, then let's lynch Palmar, not? Why wait a day and waste a lynch that will potentially hit a townie instead of just killing the almost certain scum in Palmar? | ||
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On January 14 2012 10:51 Mattchew wrote: Would anyone like to discuss my mayoral candidacy? I think I make the best case to get a townie in office no. start discussing something useful, like who to lynch. all of your lynch candidates suck. | ||
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On January 14 2012 10:58 Mattchew wrote: So why would you not vote for me wbg? Wouldn't you rather have a confirmed townie in office than someone you would be taking a leap of faith on? The 3 I listed are all acting scummy, not trollish or over the top scummy, just scummy. Palmar is trolling and over the top, he would be a great day2 lynch if these actions continue, but it is too up in the air right now as to whether or not he is trolling or scum. He could be one of our biggest strengths in the future, I'd rather kill someone else now. just by the fact that you consider yourself confirmed town I don't want to vote you. I don't understand why everyone says "Palmar would make a great day 2 lynch." If he would make a great day 2 lynch he'd make a great day 1 lynch. Let's stop screwing around and get to business, yeah? The pussyfooting we've been doing so far has been detrimental to town discussion and multiple people have already stated that they've been sidetracked by the stupid mason discussion. All of the alternatives posed to Palmar right now are noobs or people who are otherwise not easy to read. Palmar is super easy to read; if he's playing like shit, afraid, and dodging questions or scumhunting, he's scum. If he's aggressive and tunnels people, he's town (now watch him come in and randomly tunnel someone for a while since I said this) | ||
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On January 14 2012 11:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Wiggles go vote for me right now and don't move your vote DUDE I'll be the bestest Mayor Liquidia has EVER SEEN. shut up about being mayor and start doing something useful. This is why I hate mayoral elections; they bring day 1 to shit by muddying everything up and allowing scum to just prance around happily doing whatever the hell they want. Stop giving the mafia fields of flowers to frisk around in. Start scumhunting. Give me your opinion on Palmar to begin with. | ||
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Bum are you willing to lynch Palmar? I'd be willing to lynch BC too if I continue feeling the way I'm feeling about him. But we'll see. Need more time on that, since BC is much harder to read than Palmar. Palmar's just like lolscum | ||
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On January 14 2012 11:49 bumatlarge wrote: Aw, you're one of my favorites too. But prepare your anus if you bring that up again. I'd probably vote for someone who was going to lynch cyber_cheese, or explains a better candidate. I don't see why ciryandor or palmar are scum over cheese. look at any day 1 where Palmar is scum and compare it to this game. There is a certain specific one I want you to look at. Wiggles knows what I'm talking about. | ||
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On January 14 2012 11:56 VisceraEyes wrote: I was starting to think he's not a good lynch for today, but honestly he's been more useless than his 'useless D1 town' meta would suggest, so I think he's probably scum...he's not hiding it or anything. I'll never understand what his deal is - the thing about playing scum is you just play like a fucking townie, and we all know how much he LOVES playing town...fucking dumb. But yeah, I think he's probably scum, but it's too early in the day to say if he's a good lynch or not (he might bring the pain here in a few hours, who the fuck knows?) I'm ABSOLUTELY down with killing it with fire if he doesn't step it up before the lynch tomorrow. Where the shit were you like 8 hours ago when I was having this conversation with Palmar? I could have used the backup. My 'g' key is fucking broken. I was asleep 8 hours ago. I stayed up till like 5:30 lol. (8 hours ago was 11 am here) also Palmar's day 1 meta as town is not be useless. It's establish himself as town. He's done nothing so far to do that. That's a common theme among his scum games; on day 1 he keeps posting one liners and not doing anything. | ||
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bum I don't know what you see, but what about any of these posts has utility in any way shape or form for town? In what world is Palmar "not 100% useless" in his current state? None of his posts have breached one line and almost all of them have 0 content. He says Meapak is good, which isn't very helpful, he calls kita's (very valid concerns about his play, mind) dumb, he calls VE dumb and bad, he asks a noob how he knows his meta, and he wants to vote Protact because of a half-assed early game case on ciryandor. If you seriously believe Palmar is not useless then I have to question your angle. | ||
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lol anyway Protact's posting makes sense, but I'm not fully on the trust Protact wagon yet. Not sure if BC is a great lynch today because he hasn't been useless. He's been making contributions. It's true that he has derailed the town into talking about masons, but part of that is the town's own stupidity. As I said before, what BC has done can be a calculated risk to go for the mayor position. I'm not willing to elect him, but I'm not willing to lynch him either. This is mostly because BC is very hard to read and what he has done so far is not conclusively alignment-suggestive. Palmar, on the other hand, is one of the easiest players to read. Routinely in games he's the first person I have a town read on (or a scum read, in this case). Having played many games with Palmar, (almost all of my games have had Palmar in them) I know what he looks like as scum and as town. This is not a townie Palmar. | ||
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On January 14 2012 14:54 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Are you saying this to get Palmar to post more? For instance if he kicks up his game and starts posting a lot, will you still think he is scum? I realize I'm ignoring the rest you said about Prot and BC, I agree with you mostly on that as well. From knowing my fair share of people who when they roll scum they play with very little posts (in fact my first game I feel scum lost because of Palmar's inability to post or even make an attempt) so I'm definitely not saying to trust Palmar, just I don't think we've given him enough time yet. no, I'm saying this to get you guys to realize that he needs to be lynched. I don't care what potential he has as town to improve, because he's almost certainly not town and he's been given more than enough time to "improve" so far. He's not town. Kill his ass. Since none of the current candidates want to lynch Palmar, vote me if you want to see him die. I will run on the platform that Palmar dies today. | ||
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Palmar opz cyber cheese people who need to post more, and if are consistent with their current state, should die eventually: sheth people who are neutralish but if continue to say stupid things should die: bumatlarge | ||
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On January 14 2012 17:38 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Palmar you covered. Why opz/me/sheth/bum? nvm upon rereading you're not necessarily scum. just kinda slow | ||
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On January 14 2012 19:40 Cyber_Cheese wrote: If I'm elected, I'm going to lynch BC for two reasons. It's much easier to post as town. PM games are pro-town, and masons are a step closer to that. Posting on a mason QT and in the thread is much easier than having to appear townie on two fronts. Mafia masons only exsist to allow us to doubt the allegiance of town masons. BC seems to trying to scare us out of using one of our advantages. BC seems like an intelligent player, and as such, I doubt he would have offered a plan unless he knew it was going to assure him some sort of benefit. Contrary to what someone said, people did have some time pre-game to speculate on the setup. BC showed in mafia XLVIII? (the 80p game) that he did put effort into thinking through strategies before games started. this doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Also, you have a snowball's chance in hell of being elected because your campaign is awful. This is actually why I thought you were scum. You very well might still be scum, and I might just be overestimating your badness, but I guess I'll wait and see on that one since I believe Palmar to be nearly 100% scum at this point. | ||
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On January 14 2012 19:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Palmar, you know you're playing bad, I know you're playing bad, WBG knows you're playing bad. Right now I think you were trying to see who jumped on you for your play. Gambit's over, it's time for you to be useful. And the fact that you compare yourself to kenpachi should really indicate that you've taken this little game as far as it's gonna run. Tell us what you learned by doing what you did. this is definitely not a gambit, not after the way the previous games unfolded for Palmar. Steamship, XLVII, XLVIII, and another one that I will not name. Palmar KNOWS that the #1 priority for any and every townie day 1 is to establish his or her own innocence. He has failed to do anything to even come close to that. With less than 24 hours left in the day we don't have time to screw around anymore. We kill him today. | ||
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On January 14 2012 19:57 Palmar wrote: Wherebugsgo, can you summarize your case against me in one post so I can break it down and tell you why you're dumb and bad, possibly scum. I don't explain shit to scum | ||
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go read my filter in one word, meta. | ||
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On January 14 2012 20:08 Palmar wrote: So, knowing each game is a different game, and that meta is not valid unless it's applied very precisely (you can't say something like x has posted less than usual, what's important is how, why and what he has posted), you still think that you have a valid enough case? Would you bet your abilities as a player on this case? if I'm wrong about you being scum right now it reflects more on how bad your play is right now than mine. The fact that you are willing to try and guilt me into laying off you suggests you already know I'm town. Otherwise, you wouldn't ask whether I am willing to bet my abilities as a player on this case, since if I was scum I'd have no vested interest in something like that. So, that just strengthens my case even more. TL;DR, go die, scum. | ||
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On January 14 2012 21:01 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Your list of election candidates is lacking. My post there was heavily inspired by Protactinium. I'm not voting him because outside of that post focused purely on BC, he doesn't seem to have left many opinions on anything, or made any promises we can hold him to, but as is, he seems like one of the better candidates. Also, what are your stances on Kitaman, VisceraEyes and MrWiggles WBG, you might be right, but with meta alone you aren't very convincing. You always get trapped in an 'I'm being accused, the person must be scum' state of mind Palmar. Remember what happened with Ace in XLVIII? I'm not in the least bit surprised in your response; I didn't bother to reiterate myself because I knew you wouldn't understand my argument to begin with. Go back and read my filter again if you are town. | ||
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However, his town play is incredibly easy to figure out. This is actually why it makes him a pretty good town player; he establishes his innocence very quickly. This is why, in Resurrection, in Steamship, and in XLVII I spent almost no time at all in concluding that Palmar was town. It's just stupidly easy to do so. In this game, there is absolutely no reason to think Palmar is town. In over 24 hours, there has not been a single reason to do so. That's an incredibly long amount of time for someone who is normally as active as Palmar. Of course there isn't going to be anything much stronger than a meta argument at this stage in the game for someone like Palmar, with the kind of scum playstyle that Palmar has. This is true almost by definition; scum Palmar puts next to nothing in thread, and is, quite literally, absolutely worthless to town. I personally am surprised that players like Wiggles and bum have not caught onto this yet. Maybe I'm paranoid, maybe I'm seeing things. But certainly I believe 100% that the best lynch for today is Palmar. I wouldn't say this if I didn't fully believe it, since I probably have played more with Palmar in the last 3 months than anyone else here. I know his current play. If you don't believe me, that's fine, but I don't see anyone pushing anyone better for lynch. Let's stop this stupid mason discussion shit and actually move on to hunting scum. Too many of you have been saying you'll do it and then not actually following up. We have around 15 hours left in the day and no candidates have any real momentum, and the scumhunting is still extraordinarily minimum. | ||
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I'm here, I just have around 15-20 pages to read. | ||
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this game is stupid. Mafia are leading us all in every which way and none of you have yet to realize it. In fact, I'll bet a lot of money that at least 8 out of 10 of them are literally doing nothing while one or two are doing the majority of the posting. The two players that have stood out to me most today as scummy are opz and Palmar. I think they need to die. Protactinium changing from BC to macpo after Foolishness says he's suspicious of macpo is incredibly suspicious. IMO Protactinium is probably scum too, mostly because I don't actually see how Macpo is anything other than a noob, and the timing of the suspicion change is in itself suspicious. We also very obviously have a lot of masons, which makes stuff like this: On January 15 2012 06:20 Palmar wrote: I think this game is infested with masons and jacks, and I think the sooner we realize this, the sooner we can actually start getting something done. useless filler. On January 15 2012 06:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Also wtf is up with the triple vote on WBG? That look suspicious as hell and I'm not going near that with a 10 foot pole. I don't know what that was about, but imagine how stupid it would be if I was scum. I'm pretty sure it was just coincidental. I don't know the alignments of the players who voted me, but I personally don't find it suspicious, just coincidental. At this point I'm pretty far from winning (I think, I only have 4 votes? and BC and Protact should have more from what I saw in the thread) and no one seems to agree that Palmar needs to get lynched. Which is, honestly, depressing. It probably means whoever gets elected into office will lynch some noob who ends up flipping town, and then we find out nothing about the alignment of the elected official. Foolishness: If you are here, I would like to hear your opinion on Palmar and also on who you think we should lynch. Is it Macpo? If so, why are you pushing such a new player despite the fact that plenty of other players have played similarly to him? Why are you concerned with a player who is potentially much harder to read than the dozens of veterans in this game? | ||
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Who are you looking at voting for? I don't particularly care for getting elected. All I care about is scum dying. So far I don't think macpo is scum and none of the other candidates have come up with anything promising. So, that means the only option to get Palmar lynched is to elect me in to office. (this is suboptimal, for reasons I won't explicitly explain) | ||
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On January 15 2012 10:24 Palmar wrote: So, it's 1 am my time now. WBG, I think you're town, however, you're playing terribly. You don't have a case on me, you've never written one up. If you remove meta from your case you're literally stuck with nothing. I suggest we put visceraeyes and protactinium in the office. I would prefer a BC or Cyri lynch, maybe even sandroba. Anyone who's town and voting for someone that intends to lynch me, needs to take a look at what they're doing, because I'm not the one playing badly, I've simply posted less than usual. There is nothing you have on me expect meta, thus the case is completely invalid, and when I flip town, you will have proven yourselves to be really dumb and bad. It's one thing voting for a bad case, but voting for a non-existant one? Anyway, make the right decision, nighty. I don't need an explicitly written case just because someone who I think is scum asks for one. I really don't understand what mafia players attempt to accomplish when they insist there's no case on them and then demand one. It's just a waste of time. Which, I suppose, is a win for you. You love wasting time as scum. Cases don't become invalid because they use meta. The fact that you're suggesting something that Cyber_Cheese would agree with is pretty damning of you. (no offense, Cyber_Cheese, but it's clear you don't actually understand how powerful meta is) Also, it's funny you choose to defend yourself and have not put forth ANYTHING about anyone you think is scum, and go to sleep only a few hours before deadline instead of actually doing something productive. You have no interest in town affairs beyond looking townie or at least surviving till day 2 because this town is full of pussies who aren't willing to lynch a vet day 1. Man up, all of you, and lynch this guy. | ||
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At least one of them is very likely to be scum at this point. | ||
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not at this time, no. I have no reason to believe sandro is town, but likewise I don't have much reason to believe he is scum either. | ||
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On January 15 2012 11:04 Nisani201 wrote: ffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu i pressed post by accident... Anyways, WBG, a case based entirely on meta IS invalid. If Palmar acts like this in D2, we can treat him like a lurker. We should all expect scumhunting from him tomorrow, but until then, the case on him is stupid. no, it isn't. It's not even completely based on meta. CC and Palmar just keep asserting that it's completely based on meta on the fact that I summed it up with one word, saying meta. The reason I summed it up was to bait to see if Palmar would spin that I had no case. He did exactly that. You don't find it weird that he wants VE in office despite calling VE bad over and over? What's the use of electing someone bad to an office that protects them? What's the use if VE would never get shot? Why would Palmar not run for office if he's town? Why would Palmar suddenly support Protact and provide no reason for it? Why is Palmar not scumhunting? Why is Palmar focusing so much on defending himself when it's only me who is attacking him? He focused on defending himself so much, in fact, that he's literally commented on nothing else. Which is not that shocking, I suppose, since he hasn't done anything to begin with. Why do Palmar's only two non-one-liner posts contain almost 100% fluff? None of these are meta reasons to kill Palmar, yet no one cares. | ||
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On January 15 2012 11:13 Nisani201 wrote: It's pointless to scumhunt on D1 with elections because no one is really getting lynched anyways. If he decided to scumhunt with correct reads, that would make him a mafia target anyways. That's why we should keep an eye on him on D2. it's pointless to scumhunt d1? Yeah, let's just fucking waste all the time we have day 1 because we don't want to play the game of mafia, AKA FIND THE SCUM AND KILL THEM. this is fucking ridiculous. | ||
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On January 15 2012 11:16 Toadesstern wrote: you think VE did a good job most recently? Because you're telling me to vote VE but I don't think he's up to the task. To get this straight. I'm either spot on with my analysis because those 2 + BM are the 3 people I am considering to vote or I'm horribly wrong and am leading town to another lose because of townidiots (in this case I'd be one). I think all 3 are probably town right now. But I think BM's better than VE in an office and I am horribly scared to vote Protact. where did I say I want people to vote VE? all the candidates suck right now, that's why I haven't voted yet. I almost wish I could abstain. I want to kill Palmar+Protact+opz. Probably kill VE too. BC is probably the safest bet at this point for office but I'm not feeling great about him either. I wish Foolishness would be a bit more active so I could actually talk to him, but w/e. Sandro why are you not doing anything? Who do you want lynched? Who do you think is scum? | ||
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On January 15 2012 11:20 rgTheSchworz wrote: WBG, I kinda get your point. But you seems like you just want palmar dead RIGHT NOW. If we wait till day 2, we can confirm your case. Remember, there are roles other than scum that sometimes adopt Palmar's behavior. If he continues to post 1-liners and fluff, then you confirm what you said, right now. It is suspicious that he wants VE, because VE has f-ed up with his partnership with CC, he turned back on him almost instantly, remember?AND he keeps calling VE bad. But Macpo has raised FoS on himself because of his apologetic behavior, etc. Contrast this to Adam, who is himself relatively newbie, but seems more confident AND DOESNT MAKE LISTS. I will support any investigations on Palmar's actions ON DAY 2 waiting till day 2 does nothing. You only wait till day 2 if you have a better candidate for lynch. So far, there isn't one. Guaranteed we wait till day 2, if Palmar (or the other two I'm suspicious of are) is scum, I die n1 and then you all derp yourselves day 2 into not lynching him. I can't guarantee I'll even be alive to influence town at that point. Macpo is not a good lynch. The case is bad and I really think Protact is likely to be scum. | ||
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On January 15 2012 11:24 Nisani201 wrote: WBG have you been reading the thread? BC, Sandroba, and Ciryandor are much better candidates that have a much better chance of flipping scum than Palmar. no, no, no, and no. BC is not as likely to flip scum. You're eating Protact's words and spitting them out exactly as he wants you to do. He doesn't even fucking support lynching BC anymore. Sandro is not as likely to flip scum. Sure, he's done nothing so far but often times on day 1 sandro as town doesn't do anything. He's harder to read than Palmar. So far, he's neutral to me. That's not a good lynch. Ciryandor is also relatively new. He might make a good lynch in the absence of Palmar, but again, he was pushed by Protact (who is extremely scummy atm) so I am wary of lynching him. | ||
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On January 15 2012 11:25 VisceraEyes wrote: WBG calm the fuck down bro. I'm not the problem here. I'm certainly not scum, and I think you know it. When you say 'all the candidates suck' does that mean you think they're all scum? Or do you just say that because none of them are going to lynch YOUR lynch choice? Be a man, vote for the best candidate and just see what happens. no, you're not the problem, Palmar is. and no, I just think all the candidates suck. | ||
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On January 15 2012 11:35 Lanaia wrote: The amount of people who voted you so quickly within such a short period of time bothered me. I know it wasn't enough to swing the vote, but it really rubbed me the wrong way. Dammit, I wish I'd not waffled so much in regards to switching my vote. Now, it's kinda too late. I really can't tell if this is my being paranoid or not. firstly, it was only 3. Second, I have next to no chance of actually winning the election at this point. Third, the votes came right after wiggles posted something positive about me. (IIRC) Fourth, I don't even know why they voted me so quickly. If I was scum that definitely wouldn't have happened; too much risk for no reward. Imagine, if I was scum and even one of those people was scum with me, that'd be a terrible trade. I'd be outed and so would at least one of my buddies. Since it doesn't make sense from a scum perspective ( I can't see why scum would want to elect me either) I can only assume it was a coincidence. It's possible one of the voters is scum. In which case, it would definitely make sense for them to do that; they immediately vote after another person votes me to make me look suspicious. Obviously if that was the plan, it worked. | ||
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On January 15 2012 11:37 Toadesstern wrote: if that's going to help you: even more people switched to protac shortly after people switched to wbg. yes, this is another thing: notice how no one pointed this out. It's clear that I was made to look suspicious despite the fact that Protact was actually the one gaining mass votes in a very short timespan. This makes even more sense from the perspective that scum want to make me look bad, since no one commented on the way Protact picked up votes. The most scummy thing about Protact is the switch from BC to Macpo as the lynch target after Foolishness said Macpo was suspicious. This makes BC look more town (if Protact is actually scum.) However, I'm wary of posing connections since we haven't seen any flips. I'd look closely at Protactinium, however, because I really don't get a very town-like vibe from them. | ||
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On January 15 2012 11:42 Lanaia wrote: Is protac in the lead, do we know? ugh, there's no way WBG is going to win at this point. :/ In order to get someone into mayorship who I'm not going to be all paranoid about, I'd have to vote Bill Murray. I'm not 100% sure that is the best for us, though. Then again, I really don't know much about him. I'm actually fighting so hard with myself here. WBG, who do you think would be our best bet right now? I'm not seeing your vote in the vote thread for some reason (unless you haven't voted which would make sense). I haven't voted. I'm thinking about voting BC. As I've said repeatedly, I don't like any of the candidacies. Bill Murray is a bad candidate. Who is he even going to lynch? None of the proposed lynch candidates are any good. None of the reasons for mayorship are good either. I'd like to vote BC because he looks the most townie of the people who have run and he's the most likely to get shot as well. I would vote for Foolishness if he actually had a chance at becoming mayor. Although, at this point, as usual he has done very little so his alignment is still unknown. Mafia will definitely shoot him n1 if he's town, though. | ||
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On January 15 2012 11:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Is BC the best candidate? why are you asking us? Aren't you self-aware? | ||
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On January 15 2012 12:07 bumatlarge wrote: You think he is SK? :D No i don't think you are scum, protact said he wouldnt kill you. Just because protact is mayor doesnt mean he gets to decide the next lynch. If he does lynch you he has a lot to answer to :/ Protact already washed his hands of BC. He's going to lynch macpo. I'll be shocked if macpo actually flips scum. | ||
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On January 15 2012 12:07 Palmar wrote: What's good about it (why am I awake at 3am?) LOL AND HE SHOWS HIS FACE LOLOLOLOL | ||
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On January 15 2012 12:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Honestly, at this point if he doesnt lynch me is is confirmed scum. Do I want to die? No, but if he gunned this hard to analyze me to death as red then refuses to pull the trigger then hes full of shit. He knows I won't flip red and knows he will die right after. If he is able to fuck with town this hard now, keeping me around to continue to argue with will make more confusion and waste more time -_- IMO he's already almost 100% scum just by the fact that he chose Macpo shortly after Foolishness suspected him. It makes total sense from a scum perspective if you are town; you are a risky day 1 lynch and if you flip town that puts a lot of pressure on Protact. So instead he chooses the target that the number 1 scumhunter would choose (Macpo) and then washes his hands of the responsibility of lynching you. It's incredibly fishy. The unfortunate part about all of this is the fact that we've very likely elected a scum to office, and we lost a very good chance to lynch scum today. | ||
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On January 15 2012 12:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Apparently I got mayor (was requested to send in my lynch choice) Palmar was my pick what the eff how did you get mayor? He had like six votes on you or something | ||
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On January 15 2012 12:11 Ciryandor wrote: As for the comment on lynching, Proact, even if he has changed targets, at least is not being wishy-washy by giving a list of choices, he is at least committing to a specific person to lynch. LOLLL didn't think yoiu were scum before but I definitely think you are now | ||
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Palmar played exactly to his scum meta. That's not my fault. Sure, in hindsight you can blame me for the lynch. I'll take responsibility for it. Being wrong doesn't make me scum, however. It just makes me vocally wrong. At any rate, if you can find reasons to call me scum, go ahead and do it. I'll respond to any accusations that are put up. | ||
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On January 15 2012 16:50 Cyber_Cheese wrote: The part that is your fault is that you only considered meta. I don't think a scum member would have pushed someone so hard with such a weak argument, so I'm not really holding it against you yet. I didn't only consider meta. I summed it up as a mostly meta argument, which for Palmar is normally very strong. At any rate, it's irrelevant now to finding the remaining scum. Unfortunately, since he flipped town. I still suspect opz and Protact. | ||
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On January 15 2012 17:56 VisceraEyes wrote: @GiygaS I listen to you bro. Remember that game where you and Palmar fucked me up as mafia? His play was spectacular that game...he really convinced me he was a townie when I was calling for his HEAD D2. You played the fallguy to a T, not outting him at all. I was thoroughly impressed, and I'm not the only one. Palmar doesn't do shit like that anymore. When you left, Palmar's play took a SHARP turn for the worse, and he's lucky to live past D2 these days. I thought he was scum all game too...especially when he still vouched for me for office. I guess my point is, I think you're barking up the wrong tree where WBG is concerned. Here's how you handle that guy. @WBG Would you link to the most recent game where you were town and Palmar was scum? @Cyber_Cheese Would you point to a post with content that Palmar made during D1 that wasn't within 30 minutes of the lynch please? Failing that, could you stfu about WBG's meta-only case on Palmar? The last game where I was town and Palmar scum was XLV, that was actually the only game I've been town when Palmar was scum. It was also like my third game (and by far my worst) However, I caught him being scum in Responsibility when I was scum based on one thing he said. He said he agreed with what prplhz said about BC (which town Palmar would never do...he just doesn't agree with people he thinks are dumb) and I changed our team's shot last minute off Palmar. As for Palmar's post content, even that singular post he made came after I pressured him to hell. Palmar's play just wasn't satisfactory for me. Can't change that now, but perhaps I should've spent my time on other people. Anyway, as soon as I can I will make a short summary of why I find both opz and Protact to be scummy. For now, I'll be sleeping. | ||
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On January 16 2012 02:18 risk.nuke wrote: Townies read this. If you think someone is scum. Don't say I think he is scum. Quote, point out and explain where and what it is that this person have done to make you feel a certain way. If you find the manner of how someone post suspicious. Explain why. Make sure that the reader can follow your train of thoughts and understand how you came to your conclusion. If you think anything at all about someone else and you want to comment on it. Ask yourself before you finnish typing. Have I Quoted? Have I explained my views clearly? Have I pointed out or marked key parts. Hae my train of thoughts been clear? If everyone only did this it would make the scums life alot harder. I like how you don't do this. | ||
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On January 16 2012 05:43 Kurumi wrote: I have three drinks, which one should I drink? probably the one that kills you. Or that Polish vodka, that shit is strong. You scum this game btw? Sandro where are you? Foolish where are you? | ||
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On January 16 2012 05:56 Kurumi wrote: Not drinking alcohol till 18, I am Town as I mentioned earlier. Why You want me dead? I'm just kidding, I don't actually want you dead. What do you think of sandroba? BC? Protact? | ||
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Please explain why you find bumatlarge to be scummy. Also, summarize your thoughts on Protactinium and sandroba while you're at it. I want to know things from you. | ||
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On January 16 2012 08:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: That doesn't matter. It does not become anti-town if a mafia enters the circle. The masons shouldn't trust each other to begin with, but it will very hard for any mafia to actually keep up a facade of being pro-town and contributory for long. This means the other masons in the circle will be able to sniff out and reveal any scum among them. This also forces all claimed masons to actually play the game and contribute, as they will be forced to perform in the mason circle. Have you ever played in a game with PMs or a mason circle? http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Neighbor Read that. it does if it's someone like BC or L. If I were scum in this game I would love your plan. I would infiltrate the fuck out of that circle and seed whatever bs I could come up with. | ||
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On January 16 2012 09:05 Toadesstern wrote: well yeah but he I consider him being right with some points about BC. I think the talk about masons was not good for town. We could have discussed something else as well, we had enough stuff (like who's acting scummy) and who we want to lynch. BC kind of produced a mass claim. I still don't know if it's that bad but it certainly was not was he intended, at least not without discussing it but discussing it took way too much time when we needed to get a defined picture of our mayors. So yes, protac posted very little, I am scared of him as well and I'd love him to be in no office at all. Still what he posted gave me town vibes. What are your thoughts about sandroba, bum, bc and protac? I think I answered them good enough from my point of view. sandro is probable scum unless he does something tomorrow. He's so far been useless and his idea about the mass mason claim was stupid. Protac I think is scum based on how he switched lynch targets. He/they switched as it was convenient, to macpo. Bum, I'm unsure of so far (haven't read through his posts thoroughly tbh). From the initial read I was getting, townish. However, I don't think I've given him as much attention as I should have. I will reread the thread again a couple more times with the flip in mind. BC, I'm leaning pretty town. The only thing that's unsettling is how little he said about Palmar before lynching him, but I'm fine with the lynch and I wasn't really set off about anything else BC has done. The thing about the Palmar flip is that it makes people like zeks, opz, and several others look bad. Lanaia looks bad as well; she has not commented on anything concrete and so far has had no scum reads. It looks rather similar to her play from XLVII. At any rate, I still want thoughts from people on Protac and opz. Sandro/zeks/Lanaia thoughts would be nice too. | ||
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On January 16 2012 12:45 Scamp wrote: I was expecting a rash of modkills. I'm highly disappointed. Though the death of Ciryandor is nice. Not really sure why WBG thinks he should still be talking right now. lol you've done a lot too this game, eh? I might have been wrong but I'm not as useless as you are. | ||
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On January 16 2012 17:12 Scamp wrote: Were you not expecting a bunch of modkills? I thought that everyone was expecting them. And yes I have bitterness toward WBG. I don't like the way he plays. As for clarifying the last line, how about I let WBG do it himself. And later... He neglects to mention himself in all of this. I'm not ready to make a full-blown case out of this but if you look at WBG's post history it would make a lot of sense if both he and BC are scum. In what twisted world would I say that I look bad after the Palmar lynch? No shit I look bad after the Palmar lynch, it doesn't take a genius to figure that out, nor do I have to say it to make it obvious. It just is. Also, since I know I'm town, why would I even entertain the idea that I could "look bad" (aka look like scum) after the lynch? My goal is to find scum, not talk about how bad I look after Palmar flipped town. This isn't the game of "feel bad about yourself after you're wrong and stroke your ego when you're right." It's about finding scum. Obviously I failed yesterday, doesn't mean I'm scum. Obviously you don't give a shit about finding scum, you just don't like my play. This is, of course, why you have never actually outright called me scum. You're just pussyfooting around the issue and saying you dislike my play instead of putting in a real opinion. If you had any interest in town affairs you'd probably comment with something that helps us achieve our goal of killing mafia. | ||
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On January 16 2012 18:26 Scamp wrote: It's called accountability, and it's also called playing the game well. Since you have no interest in either of those things, it makes perfect sense that you would vote for me as a knee-jerk reaction. I expect you to try to find scum when you're done crying. How am I supposed to be accountable for Palmar getting lynched? Bring him back to life? Quit? Stop playing? I am finding scum. You're a pretty good bet for it IMO. Oh also, I laughed at this: On January 14 2012 15:02 Scamp wrote: Sheth, if we've not given Palmar enough time yet, then how much time is needed? More importantly, who have we given enough time to instead? While you pretty much had no opinion on the Palmar issue day 1, you said this. I guess you were on my side of that issue, eh? Didn't want to cut Palmar too much slack? So what happened when Palmar flipped? You immediately attacked me. Sure, I lead the lynch. Meanwhile, day 1, you did jack shit. I have something to own up to. I have something to take responsibility for. You don't, because you haven't done anything. Bet it feels nice to be useless, eh? | ||
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Sandro: you have still not responded to me man, what's going on in there? What are your thoughts on the game? Same question to Foolishness. You both have so far been incredibly lazy. If you are town you need to start talking to me (and town in general) now, else you will probably receive the majority of the votes for today. I'd be glad to jump on the incoming scumdroba bandwagon if this continues, as it certainly seems like that is beginning to take off. BC: Who are you looking at lynching today? I'm not sure about kingjames being scum. From what I understand he's a friend of yours; can you explain why you chose to target him instead of someone else? Do you find anyone else scummy? What do you think of the late votes that went on BM yesterday, in response to the votes you received? Lanaia: Name two people you would, without a doubt, lynch today. L: why do you have such a low profile in this game? I barely realized you were playing. Why are you not more vocal and active? Scared? Scum? Bored? Jackal58: I agreed with everything you said day 1, which is either really good or really bad. What are your thoughts right now? Who's scum? VE: Where was that kill? supersoft: Like sandro and Foolishness, I would like to see more activity from you too, from what I recall you are generally rather proactive with town affairs. What are your opinions? | ||
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On my phone; in short, massive slip. When the "day 1 summary" was posted by Protactinium, it suggested that there was pre-knowledge that the chaos was town-induced. Note how Protactinium never questions that the people who pushed Palmar for lynch (WBG and other hardliners) were anything but town. It's not possible to make absolute generalizations like Protactinium is doing unless there's knowledge that those generalizations are true. That knowledge is only available to scum. I'll post more about this shortly when I get comp access. | ||
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On January 17 2012 08:48 Jayjay54 wrote: aren't you afraid that he actually IS a newbie town player? I mean stressing to be newb may be a newb mistake afterall. Don't get me wrong, I'd lynch him, but IMO he might flip town. what is that supposed to mean? You would lynch him, but he might flip town? Are you saying you would lynch him despite the fact that there's a non-negligible chance he might flip town? AKA you're willing to lynch someone who you are not confident about? Either that, or you're just stating the obvious. | ||
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On January 17 2012 09:02 p4NDemik wrote: Repeat. wherebugsgo: Why are you all of the sudden posting in 3rd person? I omit pronouns sometimes, but I'm not speaking in the third person...how does that make me suspicious, exactly? I'm not saying "wherebugsgo thinks x..." that just sounds retarded. Even the post that preceded your question had something in first person: On January 17 2012 08:33 wherebugsgo wrote: I'll post more about this shortly when I get comp access. and again, how does this matter in finding scum, exactly? | ||
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On January 17 2012 09:06 p4NDemik wrote: People speaking in 3rd person is odd in all walks of life man. You haven't done anything similar to this all game so I find it very strange. I've never spoken in third person? I've omitted pronouns, but again, that's not speaking in third person. When I'm on my phone I sometimes omit pronouns to type faster. On January 17 2012 09:10 p4NDemik wrote: And you referred to yourself in the 3rd person, even if you weren't narrating the entire post that was it is a marked diversion from how you were previously posting and I don't like it. I don't like it one bit I say! Proof? Just insert an "I" if there's a missing pronoun. I'm not narrating anything, I'm just lazy. ex. "stumbled across X" vs "I stumbled across X" vs "wbg stumbled across x" semantically, the first one has no subject (therefore no perspective), the second has the first person perspective, and the third has the third person perspective. I was using the first. That's just laziness, not strange. Anyway I have no idea why I'm still talking about this lol. It's so pointless. __________________________________________________________________________________________ I just lost a bunch of text cause I'm a retard. But, I'll summarize what I had as quickly as possible. One thing that's confusing me about the Ciryandor flip is the way he interacted with other players day 1. At no point did I see he supported electing BM in thread, but he put his vote on BM anyway. He says later, when confronted about this, that he did it to prevent BC from being elected. IMO, this furthers the notion that BM is either mafia or mafia wanted him in office and that Protac is mafia as well, because Ciryandor straight up said he preferred BM in office over BC. The sudden change of heart from Ciryandor to Macpo halfway through the day makes even more sense from a "Protac is scum" perspective, since it means he could get away with pushing the lynch onto someone other than a scumbuddy. Ciryandor said he was also torn between Protactinium and sandro in office. Sandro quit halfway through the day to support BC, though he never voted in the vote thread. He originally also said he'd be willing to vote Ciryandor; if he wanted to kill Ciryandor, why did he not support Protac? Why was his mayoral campaign so weak? The thing that can screw up all of this is if BC is scum too. In that case, all of the main candidates yesterday were scum and the scumteam could throw votes anywhere and get whatever the hell they wanted. However, I doubt this possibility, since even statistically it's unlikely. Personally I'm leaning townish on BC. I'll do some more rereading so as to make sure I don't have this backwards, but right now I really do think our best lynch is Protac. Our second best lynch is probably someone like sandro or BM. Note how, despite being elected to office, BM has done nothing. He chose to jail Lanaia, which was honestly one of the dumbest choices he could make, particularly as, IIRC, he had a scum read on her. Lanaia actually even has a decent chance of flipping scum. I say we lynch BM and Protac today. The Ciryandor interactions from yesterday make both likely to flip scum, although BM somewhat less so. I know no one is willing to lynch Scamp, and that's okay, but I actually think he's scum too. Look at this little thing he says here: On January 14 2012 01:59 Scamp wrote: I'm automatically suspicious of anyone who complains about something and then doesn't do anything to try and help the problem. Just sayin'... Okay, so Scamp complains that I was wrong day 1 and that I should be accountable for it. He also complains, in his very next post: On January 14 2012 08:08 Scamp wrote: So far most of the candidates haven't put a lot of effort into this game. It should be noted, once again, that the GF is selected after the mayoral elections. Thus mafia can send whoever they want at the elected spots, and if any veteran or suspicious day 1 players get elected then they can put the GF on someone else. Likewise, Scamp has barely put any effort into the game as well. Can anyone name one scumread Scamp had day 1? Day 2? Note here, he doesn't want attention: On January 14 2012 16:02 Scamp wrote: Well alright, but first I question your post. Why did the role of mason need to be discussed? Especially combined with a roleclaim? How is that solidly pro-town? Also, when is a good time to solidly go after BC? Why can't someone go after him on day 1, especially if they have a case to make, and especially since you claim to never trust him? I'm not really opposed to the idea of Foolishness pushing for multiple people and not himself. Last time I checked I'm not running for mayor either, and we elect two people. I find it curious that no one seems to be discussing the usage of the two positions outside of the day 1 lynch, whereas talk about masons cluttered up the thread for a bunch of pages. Finally I'm not really sure why you're asking my opinion on Protactinium going after BC. He posted a pretty verbose argument, you should go pick that apart if you don't like it. My opinion of it is that I think it's legit, but I don't know if it's mafia calling out a notable townie with suspicious behavior because of substandard play (a common mafia Ace tactic, and a good one if that) or if BC truly is mafia and has done a good job of leading the town down topics which aren't quite to the point. I guess they could both be town, too. Highly unlikely that they're both mafia, though. He straight up says, "why are you asking me? Why don't you ask him? He looks like he wants to talk!" What kind of person doesn't like attention, and doesn't want to talk much? A mafia person, of course. After this, Scamp continues to do some weird shit. He complains that Protac hasn't posted anything useful (despite falling to his own vice), he randomly switches to voting L over mattchew for no apparent reason, or at least no explained reason, and then rejoices about the incoming round of modkills for whatever reason. Insofar as uselessness goes, Scamp is still close to #1. | ||
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On January 17 2012 09:38 Protactinium wrote: Nice try, but no. Look at the timing of these posts. You claim that sandroba made BC lynch Palmar 5 hours before before BC posted his chat logs. I don't believe that you are clairvoyant. The only information that you should have had access to was the post you quoted from the thread. But I seriously doubt that as a townie you would be bold enough to claim that Sandroba forced BC to lynch Palmar, when his in thread post is quite ambiguous. ESPECIALLY when wherebugsgo was THE #1 vocal proponent of lynching Palmar. If you were a townie, I highly doubt that you would ignore wherebugsgo's BLATANT support for the Palmar lynch and instead attempt to pin it on sandroba. Your story does not match up. You posess information that you should not have had at the time and are trying to hide it. Toad can you explain how you came to the conclusion that sandro influenced BC? | ||
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On January 17 2012 09:41 p4NDemik wrote: As opposed to: "Note how Protactinium never questions that I or the other people who pushed Palmar for lynch were anything but town" This is the line that I'm wondering about. I don't know why you are claiming it doesn't exist or why you are so indignant. It just read incredibly fishy. I've never referred to myself like this online and I've never seen anyone else do it. You aren't omitting anything you substituted in an acronym for your nickname that I have never seen you use and everyone else commonly uses. Add Kenpachi coming out of no where to make me feel like a dipshit with no reasoning and I'm just more suspicious. ah, that line was just a direct quote of what Protac said. That's why I put it in parentheses. I didn't even remember that line. You should have pointed it out earlier so there was less confusion and waste of time. | ||
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On January 17 2012 10:10 Bill Murray wrote: WBG I am trying to jail to lower their KP Say L was roleblocked and Lanaia was jailed WHAT IF BOTH ARE MAFIA? That would explain why we had 3 mafia KP last night, and not 4 i am CERTAIN 1 of OpZ or BC are mafia, now, and who else to elect mayor if not the mafia jack? LOL You're jailing them to lower their KP? Is that even how the KP functions in this game? You should be jailing to protect. Also, you're pretty much wrong about mafia KP being 3 yesterday. If you truly believe mafia KP was 3 why aren't you calling kita scum for his hit claim? On January 17 2012 09:53 p4NDemik wrote: wherebugsgo if you could so kindly link to the post that Protact used that phrase then I might think about removing my vote for you to be lynched. Because right now I can't find that in Protactinium's or Incognito's posting history and now I'm pretty sure you're just straight up lying to me. Maybe you're paraphrasing and I've caught you on absolutely nothing but for now I'm putting in my vote to ##vote wherebugsgo http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=93#1860 On January 17 2012 07:42 Protactinium wrote: You have some hardline players like WBG and company who want to throw Palmar off a cliff, and a bunch of useless mason discussion. it wasn't a direct quote since I was on my phone, I just paraphrased it. | ||
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On January 17 2012 10:34 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think about Bill's claim of being masoned by 2 people who aren't BC and Opz, and subsequent insistence that BC is mafia? What is there to think? Nothing Bill Murray has done has made sense. It's just brainless flailing around. In what universe does the sheriff jail someone to lower mafia KP? Particularly, in the universe we live in, it takes 3 dead scum for mafia KP to drop, which makes his claim of "I jailed Lanaia so mafia KP would drop" even more frightening. | ||
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On January 17 2012 10:39 Toadesstern wrote: I guess you think I am mafia because I told you palmar is town and I am telling you sandroba is mafia?  Don't like it? Why? y u so scared bro? As I asked earlier, which post by sandro gave you the impression that he convinced BC to lynch Palmar? BC, what do you think of this Protac/Toad situation? | ||
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On January 17 2012 10:42 L wrote: 2 of 2 This was well timed. Kenpachi should be dead according to Kurumis crumb. No ones come out in the past day to explain anything. Kurumis crumb was super overt, which indicates that he was comfortable dying during the night. This particular post, however, is both a way of distancing Toad from Kenpachi (he is a troll, he will hang), while simultaneously defending him (He wont hang till everyone else of worthy suspicion dies). Even if Kenpachi is shot and flips red, Toad can push his connection with the hang comment. If he dies and flips down, Toad can claim he was the lowest priority. This is possibly the safest disengagement post possible. Given the fact that last night indicates that Kenpachi is mafia, his sheeping on Toad combined with Toads response indicats that theyre not just buddies, but scumbuddies. If you arent swayed, check out Kenpachis filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=51151 Toads filter is much more interesting read: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=40853 I love you. L what are your thoughts on Protac? | ||
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On January 17 2012 10:46 Toadesstern wrote: because I don't want to lose again as a townie 100% win-rate as mafia 0% win rate as townie. Yeah I'm totally scared because I'm mafia :p But enough of this trolling. Are you even reading what I posted? I explained that the post I quoted from sandroba made me think e made BC lynch palmar. I was right, it is reasonable and you ignore it. You lynched palmar (a townie). You are trying to safe sandroba with everything you got and still I think you're a townie from what you posted d1. But you're a little to often wrong for me right now I don't give a shit about sandroba, actually. I want him to die as much as the next guy, but I am more concerned with other people atm, because they are not receiving any attention. And, as we all know, mafia love attention. You like the attention, don't you? As I say again, where did sandro say he convinced BC to lynch Palmar? You can point to that "compromise" post all you want, but it says nothing. Protac is right that you are stretching the hell out of that one post to try and make yourself look correct. | ||
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On January 17 2012 13:28 Foolishness wrote: Opz is someone who I believe Sheth was the first to cast doubt on, and I must say Sheth is definitely onto something. I know of the past Opz as a town player who is aggressive, not afraid to call people out on their bullshit. That's something we aren't seeing much of this game. He's posted a few of his own thoughts, but there is a clear lack of effort. Bored townie who is facepalming at having to read 100 pages? Possibly. Mafia hiding in the shadows? Fits better. dunno who was first and I honestly don't care, but I find opz to be rather scummy as well. Do you think he's worth a lynch today, or should we lynch someone like BM instead? | ||
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Holy shit this town has no direction. Must kill: Bill Murray Lanaia Toadesstern Meapak Scamp Bumatlarge Should probably kill: Jackal Sandro L Protactinium Bill Murray should die today. The case on macpo is weak to me but he's receiving a ton of suspicion so he might as well flip so we don't waste more time on him. Once these players are dead there's probably half the mafia team hiding among noob lurkers. | ||
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On January 18 2012 05:31 Toadesstern wrote: Judging on how much we think differently I'd say you're a probably kill as well. You're just wrong way too often The fact that you can confidently say I'm wrong too often when I've only been provably wrong once means you need to die today. At most, you'd know that I've been wrong twice, (if you are town) which isn't "too often" unless your standards for finding scum are unreasonably high, which I don't find likely, seeing as I don't believe you've ever even found scum as town before. ##unvote Protactinium ##vote Toadesstern | ||
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On January 18 2012 05:30 Cwave wrote: BC back to share who he mason'd with yet? Or gonna try and avoid that request? If Mapco is getting modkilled i will ##vote: Chaosquo what the fuck is this? | ||
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On January 18 2012 05:40 Cwave wrote: Don't join then? :O You just listed 10 people without ANY case in the post and we allready flipped one scummy bastard. So after these 11, you would continue lynching random lurkers? If any of those players flip town, I'd be willing to lynch you, for one. Also, I don't need to provide an explanation for any of these unless I need to. I'm operating on a need to know basis right now. You can be assured that I have good reasons for suspecting these players. However, I'm not about to bomb the thread with a massive post that no one's going to read. If you actually care and have a difference in opinion, go ahead and ask specific questions. Also Toad that's cute but it doesn't make you any less scummy. Care to explain why you think my scumread of lanaia is bullshit? | ||
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On January 18 2012 05:47 Toadesstern wrote: she's a null, maybe a slight town read for me. Looks to me like her "sry guys, I'm really not sure"-wishy-washy-town-meta. Which is almost precisely the same as her scum meta. Yeah, that totally gets us somewhere. When she's scum she refuses to talk about specific scum reads and lynches. This happened in XLVII and this game too. In Steamship she had some semblance of reads and wanted to kill people a couple of times, from what I remember. I'll look at the two games and see if I can confirm similarities. At any rate, since your defense is so atrocious I still have no problem killing you. Anyone have a town read on Toad? Speak soon! | ||
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On January 18 2012 05:55 Scamp wrote: GGQ just voted without posting. Interesting. Have you even voted? Do you even have a scumread? Your filter is still full of the stuff I put in the toilet every morning at 8. | ||
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On January 18 2012 06:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Foolishness, Protact/Incog, or BC. Get in this thread and start pushing your chosen candidate or I'm going to go back and vote GGQ. I expected you guys to try and lead this thread, however if you're unwilling or unable then the thread will derp (as it is now). At least when I'm pushing someone the thread has direction, right now everyone and their grandma is screaming scum at someone else. So get in here and start pushing macpo. You three apparently thought he was the best choice for today. I agree he's scummy but GGQ was better... so in interest of streamlining discussion I went with you guys. However none of you have shown any interest in keeping people on track so if none of you have gotten it together in two hours I'm going back and lynching GGQ. Meapak, if you knew that someone was going to kill you in the next five minutes what would you do? Why do you insist these players push macpo instead of coming up with your own solid opinion about him? What are your thoughts on Bill Murray? Also, I forgot to include a tiny disclaimer to all townies: As of right now, the "kill reads" I publish may or may not actually be current kill reads. Just FYI. However, I still want opinions from everyone about killing the people I've mentioned. | ||
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On January 18 2012 06:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Come on dude - when was the last time you got up before 1pm?  What is your read on the following vets: BM Meapak Foolishness Sandroba Of all of them, I have the strongest town-read on Meapak, but Foolishness is a close second. I'm on the fence about Sandroba and I think BM is probably scum at this point. What about you? Today, since I started school again lol. Scum Scumish Townish Meh In that order. BM is either scum or clinically insane, neither of which is surprising and both of which warrant death by lynch. Meapak is acting super funny-like and has just said some weird things overall. He seems to lack confidence and originality in his opinions, which is something strange to see in a vet player. Note my response to his last post. Foolishness has ramped up his activity today. There isn't any real good reason for me to believe he is town other than I agree with some of his reads and there exist far better targets. So for now, since I find more than 10 other people scummy, by process of elimination I have him as townish. Sandro is meh cause his comments on masons made no sense and he has still not done much, but so far I haven't found a proper reason to call him scum. I need to read his posts again. | ||
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On January 18 2012 06:16 ~OpZ~ wrote: You forgot my name or did I cease being a suspect to you? Or is it you just want to keep changing suspects to create chaos? *Add ~OpZ~ to his list plz. Oh yeah, I forgot you. I'd put you on the probable kill list since you actually pointed that out. Who do you want to lynch? | ||
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On January 18 2012 06:21 ~OpZ~ wrote: I voted who I wanted to lynch. I've posted my reasons. Read my posts instead of blindly calling me scum. It makes you look scummy. Scum. I have read your posts. You had a scum read on Lanaia and on BM as well. You reprimanded foolishness for suspecting you. However, I don't recall you putting your vote in this thread. I'm on my phone right now, so I'm too lazy to change threads and try to hunt through pages to find your vote. I also donMt particularly care, for reasons that should slowly become apparent to people who are reading this right now. | ||
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On January 18 2012 06:45 ~OpZ~ wrote: You ignored my issues with protactinum. Which I'm starting to get fed up with tbh. Again. I'm going to say it. He claimed to have provided the thread with direction with only having four posts, two of which were EXTREMELY unsubstantial, changed his lynch target (if elected) from someone now confirmed as mafia, to BC, who I view with my strongest town read. Not to mention all the random early votes he received with absolutely no reasoning. But hey, who cares what I say. Nah, just forgot. You like jumping to conclusions, don't you? Now I think here's where I jump to the conclusion that you ignored how I hated on Protac too. Oh but wait, that's your job, not mine. Sorry, I'm bad at this roleplaying shit. | ||
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On January 18 2012 07:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Macpo I went back over dude's posts. There aren't many, it wasn't hard. The lack of posts doesn't bother me, as he's new and games this size are pretty intimidating. However, there's something that I don't think was covered (forgive me if I'm wrong) that I found worth noting. In one of his only scumhunting posts, he lists off like 6 lurkers, calling out several of them for "empty posts". This bothers me for a couple of reasons. First of all, up to this point his post history is equally scummy by his standards. Secondly, it has a surprising lack of Ciryador - who has all of FIVE posts up to this point and all of them are pretty "empty" by his standards. I found it surprising because several people had called out Ciry at this point, so why would he neglect to check him out? Was it that he found his posts to be satisfactorily contributory? Or something more sinister? Ultimately, I'm comfortable with where my vote is at. The only thing that gives me pause is the fact that several people have been calling for a vote-switch based on the fact that he's "going to get modkilled", but he shows up. That seems like a golden opportunity for scum to get a mass vote-switch going, and I feel like if he's on any kind of competent scum team, they'd have told him to stay absent from the thread until much later...but that doesn't rule out the possibility of him checking in and posting before checking with his team. Again...I'm pretty comfortable with where my vote is at. If macpo is scum I bet a bunch of those guys are too. I would not be surprised at all to see that BB is scum, hiro is scum, Munk-E is scum, etc. Problem is right now that the lurkers are as likely to flip scum as they are to flip toucan. | ||
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On January 18 2012 07:26 ~OpZ~ wrote: Yet my vote rests on protact and yours doesn't. I'm supporting my case with what action the only action I can. It was on Protact. I'd rather vote someone who actually has a chance of being lynched today. So far there is no indication that a Protactinium lynch will succeed. | ||
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On January 18 2012 07:29 ~OpZ~ wrote: And this passive attitude is what sheep are made of. cause I'm totally sheeping people, right? Wtf kind of drugs are you on? I want some. | ||
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OpZ, since you think BM is such an easy read, can you tell us what his alignment is? | ||
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What he just said is among the stupidest things I've ever seen someone say in a game of mafia. BM, if this is your piss poor attempt at a contribution that makes you look town, I am amused. Unfortunately, since vigis cannot target you, we must expend a lynch instead. | ||
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On January 19 2012 09:33 Toadesstern wrote: nothing really. I thought it's funny because you could interpret it that way that CC himself is scum which obviously is bullshit because that would mean mentioning chainsaw-defence itself is scummy. It was just something I saw and thought it's funny I'm not saying CC is scum nor wbg. I think wbg is an overconfident townie atm. Could change if he really wants to get my lynched. yeah, I want you lynched. I also want BM lynched. So, first thing tomorrow = you and BM get my vote. | ||
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On January 19 2012 10:20 hiro protagonist wrote: Regardless of this town should/should not direct medics blahblahblah, Im gonna be supper pissed if one of Protac or foolishness dies with less than 3 bullets in there body tonight. I mean, I wish I was a medic, because It would not take longer than a flip of a coin to decide who I was protecting tonight. Also, does anyone remember my case on Sandroba? Here Ill spoiler it for your convenience: + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2012 07:21 hiro protagonist wrote: This post stuck out at me. The bolded part is what really stands out in this post. Its true. In the games I have played with sand as scum (PTP:I) after day 2, he just gave up for the most part. however, that he says that his scum play is bad is not the case at all. I think sandroba is one of the best day 1 scum players here. He will often go out of his way to do things that scum would never do on day 1, making pining him down as scum later in the game as hard to do. He makes a strong day 1 showing his game plan so he can ride on it for a few cycles as he gets more lazy, to use his own words. So what happened In PYP:I day 1? *He devises a plan for how town should pick there roles, argues against people trying to put up other plans, and re-works the plan with the obviously townie and eventually Mayor Radfield. This plan adopted for the most part by a lot of townies results in a very strong set of roles for town. *He get very active in PM land with a group of players that come to control the rest of the game. later on, WBG starts to really tunnel sandroba for being scum, but he can not convenience anyone else that sand is scum a la "look how pro town he is", this despite the fact that for the whole game he did NO SCUM HUNTING. he lives till the end of the game despite mostly giving up after day 2 because of his infiltration of the town circle and there read on him as town. So far We have many Day 1 similarity's: Here we have Sand making plans again. as well as budding up to players like protract and BC. Mass claiming Masons in this set up can be argued both ways as to whom it favors. In reality, it depends on how we go about it. These things are not scummy per say, but its how he is going about it that is. His motivations are for insuring his own safety, rather than scum hunting. which brings me to point 2. Mayoral campaign and lynch Sandroba wants to be mayor, and sandroba wants to lynch Cyriandor. This is what he says, but his actions say otherwise. Does anyone think sand was trying hard to get elected? Not from where I sit. His "campaign" is full of "Hey guys im good, elect me lawl im drunk!" He was running for mayor but had know intentions of getting elected. This allows him to push his "lynch", which Wont happen because he does not want to get elected. He does a great job of convincing us that Cyriandor is scum with powerful logic: "hes ugly and he smells bad". For added effect, he says it twice. Does anyone think that Sandroba is trying to convince town on his position? Because I can tell you he is not. His Modivation for these post is not one of getting scum lynch, but as a set up should Cyriandor flip later (whitch he knows is scum) to put him in a strong position. If he was town, He would have both tried harder to get elected and pushed Cyriandor harder. Later in day 1 he sets up alternate lynches as well: Giving himself an out. not the town Sandroba I know. *Sandroba's play is consistent with his day 1 scum play from previous games. He has proven he is willing to go out of his way to act very protown, both by pushing plans that can be in towns interest, as well as lightly busing his own teammates. *Sandroba's Motivations are not to find scum, rather his over all behavior shows self preservation as his primary motivating factor in his posting. This is in direct opposition to what town Sandroba does. Town Sandroba does not have to worry about looking town because he finds scum. Scum Sandroba does, at it reflects in his behavior this game. *Sandroba is Mafia ##Vote: Sandroba In it I asserted that Sandroba's Mafia meta is to act really pro-town on day one, and then coast on that good will for days all the while doing nothing? Well, you'll never guess what Sandroba's been doing sense day 2! oh, that's right, NOTHING. I would like Foolishness, Protac, BC, and anyone else to give there thoughts on Sandroba. I will be pushing for his lynch. As for a secondary lynch, Im not sure yet. I know I want a lot of people dead, but you have struck me as really weird this game. Since you're not scummy like you normally are, I think you actually are scum this game. | ||
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On January 19 2012 10:53 Scamp wrote: Guys stop relying on meta. and rely on what? Not doing anything? Seriously, what have you done all game except whine about how other people play? | ||
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High up on that list currently are: BM Toad Scamp GGQ lower down on that list are: you VE Jackal Adam guy probably all not scum, some are very likely just bad townies, but it would be nice to see all of these people die. Jackal mostly is on there for still not doing anything, VE is on there for...still not doing anything, Toad is on there for being super annoying and disruptive, while constantly using faces and in general having no balls or valuable opinions.GGQ is on there cause he hasn't done anything. BM is #1 on my kill list cause he fucking scares me with his retardedness. | ||
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On January 19 2012 13:10 Scamp wrote: You're welcome. Now stop playing like WBG and gain a little context for what you say. The quote from Sheth was from day 1. Reading over Kingjames filter has made me not want to vote for him. you don't want to vote anyone. You have 0 scumreads. I wish I could kill you. | ||
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nah not really. Not anymore. I'm still on my phone, that's why my posts are kinda short. I'll do the rereadings and be back later with more stuffs. | ||
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On January 20 2012 02:02 jaj22 wrote: I'm having doubts about BM too. Maybe OpZ is right and he's just a bad player posting whatever random junk comes into his head. Jitsu: What do you think? Any chance of a mason log? Also I don't like anything in Protact's latest scumread post, which is scaring the shit out of me. OpZ called BM scum the last time I checked...has something changed? Why the hell are we trusting OpZ anyway? Or BM for that matter? | ||
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On January 20 2012 03:50 jaj22 wrote: That was my point. I should probably make those clearer. Ok. I forgot about a couple of bits that I was fine with, so my statement was inaccurate. Here goes: I covered this in another post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13201470 This is absolutely true except that BM had a really spammy patch in day 2, so I'm not too sure about the frequency point yet. In TL Mafia XXII his post count crashes at the end of day 2 and stays low. What? Toad was trying to protect his scumbuddy GGQ and get his scumbuddies Sandroba and Macpo lynched instead? I don't buy the Palmar lynch influence knowledge point because it's quite plausible that Toad just jumped to a conclusion. I don't think it's even an illogical conclusion from the "compromise" post. I'm guessing this is a pressure case because Protact can't get a read out of Toad's filter any more than I can  I thought Sandroba's day 2 posting was better if anything. At least less trolly. Which mayor candidate was going to lynch Ciryandor? I thought Protactinium settled on Macpo. The Palmar lynch influence is a red mark but there was a plausible narrative based on Sandro's posts in the thread and the mason log. Still not sure about Sandroba personally. I found a couple of his other town games: His LotR (town) filter looks much like his scum play, which this game does too, but his Mini Mafia X (town) posting was vastly superior. Actual care and effort put into posting. If he doesn't raise his game here I'll consider voting for him. This meta-read is beyond me. Any other vets want to comment on Bum? I would agree with the meta read on bum primarily because he actually tries to contribute to town discussion and scumhunting when he is town. So far he (like most players in this game) has done very little. Bum also tends to shy away from spotlight when he is scum. This is very unlike his play, for example, from steamship or any other game where he is town. | ||
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Granted, this is exactly what he did in XLVIII, just always pushing random people who never had a chance of being lynched. Knowing this, though, it becomes hard to determine whether he is actually scum or just playing like he normally does At this point I don't care because I don't think kingjames is the best kill for today. I'd much rather we kill BM and Toad. | ||
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On January 20 2012 05:06 kingjames01 wrote: It's not random and you have heard of it. From me. Perhaps you just missed it. You should go back and look at what I am pointing out. I've given quite detailed analyses as to why he has demonstrated mafia behaviour. Just take a look through the analysis and see what you think. It's quite apparent once you read through p4NDemik's history. to be honest with you I haven't paid much attention to him. He's made a couple of questionable posts in terms of what he's actually looking for, but I don't think that makes him scum, just new. The way he attacked me for what I was saying drew a lot of attention to him. I don't think as scum he would have done that. I will be rereading the thread today again anyway, so I'll try to see if what you're saying has any merit. | ||
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On January 20 2012 05:15 Lanaia wrote: Do you think BM is lying about hatterism? Toad's bothering me a bit. He keeps asserting himself as town because he's pegged people correctly. It's gotten to the point of overemphasis. Tell me, guys, is this typical of town? To me, it feels overeager. How I usually hunt scum is by looking for people who are overeager. Toad is one of these people. Gut is yelling at me to lynch him. But gut alone probably will get me into trouble (as it has repeatedly before). I'm voting Slardar. I'm also going to vote GGQ because this has been a long time coming and I feel it is in our best interests to do so. you actually believe his claim? Honestly I don't believe I've found one thing that BM has said this entire game that makes a shred of sense. As for Toad, yes, it's very atypical for townies. Why the hell are you voting slardar? Have you even had a scumread on him? Just use logic and common sense and build a case on Toad instead of voting random people. | ||
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On January 20 2012 05:30 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm going to go ahead and step in here WBG. I don't think it's damning at all to bring up "a random lynch we've never heard of" . Talk about the content of the case if you disagree with him. Do you find kingjames suspicious independently or are you just talking trash because some have expressed suspicion on him? Your basing your entire read, again, on meta if you say it's independent, and your meta reads are clearly fucking shit bro. I suggest you speak to the content of his case. Maybe you'll see something I've missed. p4N's filter is pretty terribad. You're saying you disagree that the guy who spent 3 pages worth of clarifying why you were "speaking in third person" is suspicious? Are you going to do this right now WBG? AM I GONNA HAVE TO SMACK A BITCH WBG? AM I? Like I just said, when he called me out he took a ton of attention. Perhaps he didn't mean to take that attention, but I feel like scum are less likely to what he did. Also his tirade of "why are you talking in the third person" looked more like a new player not knowing what he's doing than a scum trying to force a mislynch. At any rate I'll be back after class and will read stuff again, since I need to. | ||
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On January 20 2012 08:38 GGQ wrote: I think there's more that enough on BM to justify a vote right now. The second vote is trickier, I'm considering supersoft and p4ndemic, but I'm not enthusiastic about lynching kingjames. No one seems to have noted that cyber_cheese's activity level is sharply decreased this day phase, which only furthers my suspicions of him. Not that this determines his alignment one way or the other, but can WBG confirm that supersoft did, in fact, mason him? wait wtf how do you know supersoft masoned me? | ||
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On January 20 2012 08:35 Toadesstern wrote: I'm actually going to place my 2nd vote on WBG and as mentioned earlier: I just got home after drinking a couple of beers with friends and will look into KJ's filter tomorrow. For now my vote is on wbg because NOONE except me and VE claimed a hit. 2 hits are missing, our sheriff claimed he has not sheriff'ed someone (also noone claimed to be locked up so far) => I should be pretty much a confirmed townie at this point imo. I don't see what's wrong with him and his style this game but this is just FAR too off to be just bad town. ##Unvote kingjames01 ##Vote wherebugsgo Take it as a placeholder while pointing a heavy fos in wbg's direction. lol this is what I'm talking about. This is like the most random vote I've ever seen. Plus, the only justification is "I'm a confirmed townie so I can do this and heavy FoS on WBG" No reason. No logic. | ||
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On January 20 2012 09:26 Jackal58 wrote: Game is easier if you actually read it. his post was on the previous page, I just read this last one and was like wtf what did I miss lololol I see it now. | ||
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On January 20 2012 09:36 p4NDemik wrote: I'd really like to see those logs wbg btw if possible. It seems very convenient that he masoned L but couldn't get him to talk. And it feels odd that he feels it necessary to give an excuse immediately after that. I also never brought his activity level into question in the first place. I actually never ended up saving all the logs. This is all I have: + Show Spoiler + [12:39] <supersoft> hi [12:39] <wherebugsgo> hey [12:39] <wherebugsgo> ok so [12:39] <supersoft> wait, I just came home etc. [12:39] <wherebugsgo> Jackal I think is town [12:40] <supersoft> yay [12:40] <supersoft> 10 more pages [12:40] <wherebugsgo> lolol [12:41] <wherebugsgo> I'm not sure about BC man [12:41] <supersoft> sucks that we wont be able to communicate after the nightkills [12:42] <wherebugsgo> yeah :/ [12:42] <supersoft> hmm [12:42] <wherebugsgo> we should devise a way [12:42] <wherebugsgo> to communicate [12:42] <wherebugsgo> like [12:42] <supersoft> last game he had this DT/Vig plan [12:42] <supersoft> this game he discusses the masons to death [12:42] <wherebugsgo> first letter of every post or something rofl [12:42] <wherebugsgo> yeah but [12:42] <wherebugsgo> iunno [12:42] <wherebugsgo> actually now that I think about it [12:43] <wherebugsgo> his play is no different [12:43] <wherebugsgo> he had no real lynch target last time [12:43] <supersoft> ahhhhh [12:43] <supersoft> good idea [12:43] <supersoft> but [12:43] <supersoft> first letter [12:43] <supersoft> :D [12:43] <supersoft> we need a lot of posts [12:43] <wherebugsgo> first letter of every line? [12:43] <wherebugsgo> lol [12:43] <wherebugsgo> nah [12:43] <supersoft> hmm [12:43] <supersoft> :D [12:43] <wherebugsgo> could start a post with a keyword [12:43] <wherebugsgo> and like [12:43] <supersoft> no [12:43] <wherebugsgo> the last line is the message [12:43] <supersoft> i got an easy way [12:44] <supersoft> a = 3 [12:44] <supersoft> b = g [12:44] <supersoft> c = a [12:44] <wherebugsgo> wtf lol [12:44] <supersoft> lol [12:44] <supersoft> but [12:44] <supersoft> etc. [12:44] <wherebugsgo> hmmm [12:44] <wherebugsgo> LOL [12:44] <wherebugsgo> I'll do a bunch of gibberish [12:44] <wherebugsgo> aslkdjadslkajdlak [12:44] <wherebugsgo> = [12:45] <wherebugsgo> WTF THIS GUY IS SCUM KILL HIM [12:45] <wherebugsgo> lool [12:45] <supersoft> :D [12:46] <supersoft> i mean [12:46] <supersoft> most of the time we got no reason to hide what we say [12:46] <supersoft> i'd be comfortable to talk like his in the thread [12:46] <supersoft> but once i start posting single words [12:46] <wherebugsgo> yeah agreed [12:46] <supersoft> the hosts and fellowplayers will be pretty angry [12:46] <wherebugsgo> we should [12:47] <wherebugsgo> spontaneously start a discussion [12:47] <wherebugsgo> in the middle of the day lol [12:47] <supersoft> for important things [12:47] <supersoft> like if we fake something [12:47] <supersoft> e.g. [12:47] <wherebugsgo> do yo uhave yesterday's logs? [12:47] <supersoft> you fake vig [12:47] <supersoft> no lol :D [12:47] <wherebugsgo> fuuuuu [12:47] <wherebugsgo> I don't either lol [12:47] <wherebugsgo> I'm noob [12:47] <supersoft> meh [12:47] <wherebugsgo> oh w/e [12:47] <supersoft> i thought you save them [12:48] <wherebugsgo> forgot lol [12:48] <supersoft> it's just a lot of "omg Palmar is so deep red" [12:48] <wherebugsgo> LOL [12:48] <supersoft> and "wtf?!" [12:48] <wherebugsgo> yeah it's kinda useless now [12:48] <wherebugsgo> but protact [12:48] <wherebugsgo> BC [12:48] <wherebugsgo> opz [12:48] <wherebugsgo> like they all seem weird to me [12:48] <supersoft> kkk lets filter these guys [12:48] <wherebugsgo> I don't get a "this guy is town" read on anyone except like Jackal [12:48] <supersoft> BM [12:49] <supersoft> is kind of town in my eyes [12:49] <wherebugsgo> hmmm [12:49] <wherebugsgo> maybe [12:49] <wherebugsgo> kita is almost town to me [12:49] <wherebugsgo> problem is that he always looks the same [12:49] <wherebugsgo> even as scum lol [12:49] <supersoft> phew kita... [12:50] <supersoft> I had lanaya on my townlist, too [12:50] <wherebugsgo> iunno [12:50] <supersoft> the only female player you know [12:50] <wherebugsgo> you can't tell [12:50] <wherebugsgo> what she is [12:50] <wherebugsgo> I didn't know who she was a couple months ago so I talked to curu [12:51] <supersoft> okay wait. Let's make a short list of players [12:51] <supersoft> we work through and discuss [12:51] <supersoft> BC, Prot, opz [12:51] <wherebugsgo> ok [12:51] <wherebugsgo> BC what I don't like [12:51] <supersoft> :D [12:51] <wherebugsgo> is he didn't comment on Palmar [12:51] <wherebugsgo> before lynching him [12:51] <wherebugsgo> otherwise I'm mostly ok with BC [12:52] <supersoft> that is correct. Someone pointed that out in the thread [12:52] <supersoft> i think it was toadesstern [12:52] <supersoft> ". Really weak opinion and taking his own responsibility out of the equation, because he wasn’t the one who pushed for Palmar." - jayjay [12:52] <supersoft> it was jayjay [12:52] <wherebugsgo> ok yeah [12:53] <wherebugsgo> that guy I think is town too [12:53] <wherebugsgo> all the noobies [12:53] <wherebugsgo> who keep talking in the thread [12:53] <wherebugsgo> look pretty town [12:53] <supersoft> 5) Hydra Talks a billion times about why to lynch BC, makes a good case. Gets my vote, I go to sleep and he switches to Macpo? Nice. That doesn’t exactly convey trust. I don’t like it. [12:53] <supersoft> there is some good stuff in his post [12:53] <wherebugsgo> LOL [12:53] <supersoft> we had this point yesterday [12:53] <wherebugsgo> yeah bumatlarge immediately "regreted" his thing [12:54] <wherebugsgo> his vote for protact [12:54] <supersoft> ah no toadesstern wants to lynch you [12:54] <wherebugsgo> idc [12:54] <supersoft> kurumi [12:54] <wherebugsgo> he's not going to be able to lynch me [12:55] <supersoft> I fucking regret voting Protact. - kurumi [12:55] <wherebugsgo> I think kurumi is scum [12:55] <wherebugsgo> idk why [12:55] <wherebugsgo> or no actually [12:55] <wherebugsgo> he's too active [12:55] <supersoft> naah [12:55] <supersoft> yes [12:55] <supersoft> his jokes etc. [12:55] <wherebugsgo> yeah [12:55] <supersoft> he does that as town a lot [12:55] <wherebugsgo> yep [12:55] <wherebugsgo> so he's town [12:56] <supersoft> etc. [12:56] <supersoft> "are you the singing kind of guy" [12:56] <wherebugsgo> LOL [12:56] <supersoft> mhm i think so :D [12:57] <supersoft> risk.nuke [12:58] <wherebugsgo> you think he's suspicious? [12:58] <supersoft> i am undecided [12:58] <supersoft> he played terrible last game [12:58] <supersoft> idk [12:58] <supersoft> his mayoral campaign [12:59] <wherebugsgo> I think he's townish [12:59] <supersoft> it somehow fits in his [12:59] <supersoft> overconfident [12:59] <supersoft> townstyle [12:59] <wherebugsgo> ye [12:59] <supersoft> okay [12:59] <wherebugsgo> this post: [12:59] <wherebugsgo> Yeah, when a person is about to face lynching thats a different situation but I shouldn't need to explain everything as if you were in kindergarten most people here are adults with a higher then average iq. Saying you have a townread on someone who isn't under suspicion or face the threat of a lynch is superbad townplay. Saying you have a townread on someone under suspicion is also bad play because if they are under suspicion that's great. That means they won't ge [12:59] <wherebugsgo> makes him look town [13:00] <supersoft> okay good [13:00] <supersoft> i am sorting the players right now [13:00] <supersoft> :-P [13:02] <supersoft> ahm i need your opinion on toadesstern [13:03] <wherebugsgo> let me reread his posts real quick [13:03] <supersoft> he has this huge posts style [13:03] <supersoft> so annying to read through [13:05] <supersoft> he got 6 pages... [13:05] <supersoft> what the fuck. I list him as unable to read. [13:05] <wherebugsgo> yeah [13:06] <wherebugsgo> I just noticed LOL [13:06] <supersoft> okay [13:06] <wherebugsgo> he looks [13:06] <wherebugsgo> more town than scum to me [13:07] <supersoft> maybe i mason him [13:07] <supersoft> he's german [13:07] <supersoft> I will be able to interview him [13:07] <wherebugsgo> yes [13:07] <supersoft> if he's scum it'll be really tough [13:07] <wherebugsgo> yes] [13:07] <wherebugsgo> you knew his alignment [13:07] <wherebugsgo> in my/incog's game? [13:08] <supersoft> yes [13:08] <wherebugsgo> ok [13:08] <wherebugsgo> his posts [13:08] <wherebugsgo> look somewhat similar [13:08] <wherebugsgo> but iunno [13:08] <supersoft> yes [13:08] <supersoft> these long posts [13:08] <wherebugsgo> like I'm not 100% sure [13:09] <wherebugsgo> can you find any post [13:09] <wherebugsgo> that you find by him to be suspicious [13:10] <supersoft> I still agree with sandroba about the mass claim however. [13:10] <supersoft> I'm going with sheth here. It's nice that we got this discussion going and got some information we can work with but I'd like toget back to our mayor candidates. [13:10] <wherebugsgo> oh shit [13:10] <supersoft> everything [13:10] <wherebugsgo> sandro [13:11] <supersoft> is so [13:11] <supersoft> pfff [13:11] <wherebugsgo> sandro was the one who wanted mass claim [13:11] <wherebugsgo> ? [13:11] <wherebugsgo> WTF [13:11] <wherebugsgo> why did I not notice that [13:11] <wherebugsgo> we should kill him [13:11] <supersoft> mhm [13:11] <supersoft> :D [13:11] <supersoft> you told me he deserves a second chance [13:11] <supersoft> :D [13:11] <wherebugsgo> he hasn't done anything [13:11] <supersoft> yes [13:11] <wherebugsgo> yeah [13:11] <wherebugsgo> well [13:12] <wherebugsgo> he got his second chance [13:12] <supersoft> his second chance is tomorrow [13:12] <wherebugsgo> lol exactly [13:12] <wherebugsgo> tonight too [13:12] <supersoft> at the end of the day he's either active or dead [13:12] <wherebugsgo> bet you he'll post something really small [13:12] <wherebugsgo> before end of night [13:13] <wherebugsgo> foolishness? [13:13] <wherebugsgo> what do you think of him [13:13] <supersoft> haha probably [13:13] <supersoft> nothing [13:13] <supersoft> i've never played with him [13:13] <wherebugsgo> hmm same :/ [13:13] <supersoft> surpisingly [13:13] <supersoft> i [13:13] <wherebugsgo> nah we played XLIV [13:13] <wherebugsgo> he was in that game [13:13] <supersoft> i dont remember [13:13] <supersoft> yes but [13:14] <wherebugsgo> he caught mig day 1 [13:14] <supersoft> ahhh [13:14] <supersoft> that game [13:14] <supersoft> i remember [13:14] <supersoft> yes [13:14] <supersoft> uh thats a long time ago [13:14] <wherebugsgo> that was my first game lol [13:15] <wherebugsgo> ok my question is [13:15] <supersoft> kk [13:15] <wherebugsgo> why did toad have a stubborn Palmar read [13:15] <wherebugsgo> when there was no reason to believe so [13:15] <wherebugsgo> how does a noob [13:15] <wherebugsgo> have a better read on Palmar [13:15] <wherebugsgo> than me + you + Jackal? [13:15] <supersoft> okay [13:15] <supersoft> thats a valid point [13:15] <supersoft> makes him pretty scummy [13:16] <supersoft> i really think there is no reason to think that palmar was town [13:16] <wherebugsgo> he voted BM too [13:16] <wherebugsgo> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=57#1122 [13:17] <supersoft> hmm brb [13:19] <wherebugsgo> his first post [13:19] <wherebugsgo> about how he thinks someone is scum [13:19] <wherebugsgo> came just now [13:19] <wherebugsgo> about sandro or bum [13:19] <wherebugsgo> and he still says nothing [13:27] <supersoft> well okay [13:27] <supersoft> i guess i wont mason him [13:27] <supersoft> its better to mason someone [13:28] <supersoft> i can discuss the game with [13:28] <wherebugsgo> yes [13:28] <wherebugsgo> well you could if you want [13:28] <wherebugsgo> to confirm him as scum [13:28] <supersoft> hmm [13:29] <supersoft> you think i should [13:29] <wherebugsgo> I dunno [13:29] <wherebugsgo> it's up to you [13:29] <wherebugsgo> who would you mason instead? [13:30] <supersoft> L ? [13:31] <wherebugsgo> sure that works [13:31] <wherebugsgo> you could mason Foolish [13:31] <wherebugsgo> if he's alive [13:31] <supersoft> okay [13:31] <supersoft> i guess its better to chose one of these active people [13:32] <wherebugsgo> kita maybe [13:32] <supersoft> naah [13:33] <wherebugsgo> ok LoL match brb [13:34] <supersoft> :D [13:35] <supersoft> same here [13:35] <supersoft> lol [13:35] <supersoft> sorry ^_^ [14:23] <supersoft> okay sorry [14:23] <supersoft> can you copy paste me the dialogue? ^^ [14:44] <wherebugsgo> ? [14:44] <supersoft> everything we talked about like 1 hour ago :D [14:45] <wherebugsgo> I'll send it by pm | ||
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On January 20 2012 10:56 Jitsu wrote: Home from class. Just read thread. Interesting to see Supersoft flip scum as well. LOL WUT | ||
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On January 20 2012 11:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote: also, 8 confirmed people running around in pms is ridiculous -_- how are the masons confirmed, exactly? Unless I'm missing something, can't the scum be masons too? | ||
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Sandro still hasn't done anything, so I think it's actually likely he is scum. What about Toad, though? Is he getting off just because he said to kill sandro? | ||
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On January 21 2012 10:17 VisceraEyes wrote: WBG I want to lynch you bro! You wanna fight about it? Nah, waste of my time. I'm willing to lynch sandro, if he comes up anything but red we lynch hiro right after, especially because hiro has been playing quite out of his normal character. Of course, I doubt he'd have the balls to claim like this as scum, but it's still worth something. ##unvote Toadesstern ##vote Sandroba As for the other one, someone needs to explain why we are not killing BM and who we are killing instead. Otherwise, my vote is going to stay on him. I don't just like keeping people around because they blue claimed. Also, the blue claim didn't make much sense for me because a mad hatter wouldn't want to be in office unless he intended on getting himself lynched. A mad hatter is one of the hardest roles to play; you play to get yourself shot by scum, and if you're in office that's impossible. | ||
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##unvote Bill Murray ##vote kingjames01 Let's see what kingjames flips, since there isn't enough time for a new case. I'd like to see sandro flip as well. | ||
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On January 21 2012 10:50 VisceraEyes wrote: I like how I'm like, marked for death tonight and no one gives a shit what I say. Cool guys. Consider this my last post. why the fuck do you always think you're going to get shot? | ||
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With that said, I want to take a closer look at bum because of how hard he defended sandro. I also still want to look at Toad because something still is weird about him. Bussing sandro isn't the hardest thing in the world to do, because sandro has 0 confidence in his scum play. It has happened before, even. Thus, we should be careful with what types of conclusions we draw in retrospect about the sandro lynch. Sandro getting bussed was a very likely possibility. | ||
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On January 21 2012 12:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Why not take a look into risk.nuke if people who defended Sand are on your radar? He HARD defended Sand in one of his LAST posts. Did you miss that one? Why bum with his soft defend? cause soft-defending is more indicative of scum than hard defending. If you hard defend someone you get a fuck ton of attention when you're wrong. Bum is just kinda sliding around doing nothing. On January 21 2012 12:29 VisceraEyes wrote: You voted for KJ because he was playing the way he was in a game where he was town? You get RIGHT out of town bro. You GET OUT! GET OUT OF TOWN WBG!! he was dead either way, I wanted to ensure he flipped because I've been wrong quite a bit this game. At any rate I reassured myself that my meta reads aren't all shit, so at least that's good. We should definitely look into the people who voted KJ through the day for bad reasons, though. This group is bound to have scum in it because they could have been trying to keep sandro alive. | ||
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On January 21 2012 13:05 bumatlarge wrote: And for those who are suspicious of me, it feels deserved. I made a bad read and banked on it. I don't think it hurt the town at all, so I'd implore you to look at it from my perspective as a townie. The 3 vets switching from BM to sandroba was the right call, and my neurotic side did not like it. I'll try to improve my play to whats expected of me soon. No more dumb factors I don't have a huge prob with you as long as you are active and helping today. What interests me is this: Votes for BloodyC0bbler (11) First Meapak_Ziphh risk.nuke GGQ zeks Lanaia glurio Cyber_Cheese Foolishness supersoft wherebugsgo VisceraEyes I know I'm town, VE strikes me as town. On day 1 I thought supersoft was town but he has yet to do anything so I'm wary of him. Meapak has been acting weird, GGQ has been called scum, zeks has done nothing, Lanaia is scummy, glurio is a lurker, Cyber Cheese needs no explanation, Foolishness is probably town. Sandro voted BC in thread and flipped scum. Brown Bear didn't vote and he very well might be scum for not doing anything so far. Foolishness, what do you think of this vote list? | ||
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hiro protagonist Protactinium BloodyC0bbler (x3) Scamp glurio vaderseven Slardar jaj22 Bill Murray supersoft rgTheSchworz EchelonTee Lanaia Toadesstern GGQ ~OpZ~ bumatlarge people I don't like on KJ's vote list | ||
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On January 21 2012 13:23 Lanaia wrote: WBG, besides the obvious wishywashyness, what else makes me scummy to you? Also, may I ask exactly how you feel about slardar? I haven't paid attention to slardar at all. I'll read his posts soon. I guess you're always scummy to me because you don't push your reads with conviction. Yesterday I recall you posted something I liked, so I'm inclined to believe you're more town since then. Also in retrospect when I reread XLVII I saw that there were some differences from there to here and some more similarities from Steamship to here. So at the moment I'm content with calling you town. I'm just not confident with that read. (in other words, there are far better targets for tomorrow) Meapak for now looks fairly townie to me too but he was very suspicious to me earlier yesterday. | ||
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On January 21 2012 17:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Foolishness amend the list please. I strongly believe atm WBG has a high chance of flipping red. I would place glurio higher on your list. I also believe that based on play, opz is far more likely to be red. I'd love to hear this one. | ||
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On January 21 2012 18:17 Bill Murray wrote: yeah lynch me when i was all over sandroba, and didnt want to lynch kingjames sandroba flipping red makes you look terrible foolishness's list is a joke, I am seriously doubting both of your abilities to lead the town right now, so I'm going to have to take over the reigns, gentlemen. stfu. you're a detriment to town at best. | ||
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On January 21 2012 22:51 rgTheSchworz wrote: I'm not asking you to jail hiro, I'm asking hiro to claim being jailed regardless of your choice this night. This is to assure we're lynching you, scum. You have escaped lynching yesterday by BS-ing us.I think that's unfair. Stop bending what i say, I believed protact was bussing, I was not 100% sure. Unlikely, now that L has flipped red. How does L flipping red make it unlikely that Protact was bussing Macpo? How does anything you say make sense? Also, I really desire that we lynch BM tomorrow. The fact that he got elected is actually pissing me off right now. | ||
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I'd be so down for this. It's too bad I don't have a gun. | ||
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On January 22 2012 07:39 VisceraEyes wrote: WBG's town beta is based on drawing logical conclusions based on evidence from checks/flips. His game this game is to jump to conclusions based on meta. This game is NOT like his standard town meta aside from him being jerky toward anyone who questions/suspects him. You're being obtuse Protact, and I think you're better than this. Look again bro. This is probably the most ironic fucking thing in the entire thread. You accuse me of solely jumping to conclusions based on meta, whereas for me you do the exact same thing. So it's not okay for me to try to use meta to pin people, but it's completely fine for you to base a case entirely on meta? Yeah, that's not completely contradictory or anything... The sad part is I actually believe you're town. | ||
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On January 14 2012 16:46 sandroba wrote: I was walking down the street one day and I suddenly a foul scent hit my nose. I was like what the shit, where the fuck is this coming from? Did I just step on human fesses or what? After checking my feet and realizing it was clean I looked around and spotted a horrid looking creature that dropped 2 terrible posts in the begging of a game then was never heard of again. It was ciryandor. Protact had warned me about his unpleasant presence. Right then I decided I would rid the world of such disturbing annoyance and thus I hit him repeatedly over the head with my grandma's shoes. He finally succumbed, bored into oblivion. I felt victorious after checking my grandma's shoes and realizing a crimson taint had soaked them. Life was good. Being mayor made me proud. The whole idea of being elected to kill some random dude and being able to single handedly execute it was exciting. I stretched out my arm and an eagle landed on it. Fuck yes I'm a boss. I just want to remind people that this is probably the fucking funniest thing I've ever read while going back through people's posts. I laughed so hard at this LOL. Anyway, something funny that struck me from sandro's filter is this: On January 18 2012 03:27 sandroba wrote: Although I'm not entirely convinced that macpo is sure mafia due to sheer terribleness of his insane rambling, we still have to get rid of him at some point due to the amount of players suspicious of him. This talk about no opposition to his lynch is in no way indicative of him being innocent. Mafia is not likely to openly oppose a lynch that has so much support and so far only 28 out of 44 voters have cast their votes. Still I feel way more confident lynching GGQ or L. Double lynch needs at least 9 more votes to go through and I'd really like to get at least one red killed today. Like, all the people sandro wants to lynch, I'm pretty sure, were scum; most likely scum that he felt he could not defend any longer. This is actually what sandro does as scum; he busses people like hell because he thinks they are super obvious scum to everyone. Macpo he could not defend because Foolish/Protact attacked him. L he could not defend because everyone saw he was playing the same way he played in Responsibility. Is it a stretch to say that he could not defend GGQ either? I don't think so. Also note how he tells myself, super, and toad to "get off my balls." This makes all 3 of us look far more town. On January 17 2012 01:26 sandroba wrote: @BC LOL man you could have redacted a few parts from that shit that I don't even remember talking about. WBG, supersoft and toadstem need to get off my balls. My weekends are pretty busy and I did my best with the little time I had. I don't even know why the fuck you are calling me mafia on the first place. As for who I think is mafia I got GGQ, Jackal and rgtICEMAN. I'm going to read dead guy's filters before I choose which one to push today, but they could very easily be all mafia. Brb. Also note how he later rescinds his opinion about Jackal (he flips from day 1 liking Jackal to not liking Jackal to being unsure) On January 17 2012 03:28 sandroba wrote: I'm not quite sure on him because jackal is freaking jackal, but last time he was town i could tell right away and he did put in some effort and got killed early on. He just seems lazy and jumping on convenient stuff and he is back to his usual useless one line posting which he used to do as both alignments. He's either made a step back or he is scum this game, I need more to decide accurately, but I'm leaning scum on him atm. whereas for L, GGQ, Macpo, and Ciryandor he's just like "fuck man this guy's scum he smells fucking bad kill him" The only exception is when Macpo is seriously close to dying, then he sheds some doubt on the lynch. Meapak, I think, has been correct about GGQ this entire time, but just hasn't been going about it properly. Of course, our job is easy; if GGQ is not scum, I'm almost 100% sure Meapak is, because that's the only target he's tunneled. The reason I say this is because Meapak has had several days to contribute and yet he's always been focused on tunneling GGQ. Normally I'd be uncomfortable with aligning flips like that, and certainly if GGQ is town it'd be difficult to lynch Meapak (since there are things in Meapak's filter, notably what he said about L, that make him look town) but I think we have to consider the big picture instead of letting little things prevent us from making hard decisions. | ||
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On January 22 2012 11:32 vaderseven wrote: When does the next day start? less than 30 minutes I think. | ||
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On January 22 2012 11:33 p4NDemik wrote: Foolishness has been pretty worthless town to boot if you look at his history. He's only unquestioned because he's tight with Protact/BC. He's been building many lists but not making many strong cases. On my bad guy list atm. the thing that bothers me most about Foolish is the fact that he hasn't died. I would expect mafia to triple stack him if necessary, since he's obviously been correct about at least two or three scum now. This is actually what bothers me a lot about this game and it's been messing with my head for a while. By all means, at least one of Protact/Foolishness should have died by now. Also, if BM was scum and BC was town I'm sure the bodyguards would've started dying too. None of these things have happened, which is concerning me right now. It could very well mean BC is scum or both BC and BM are town. Right now I feel like I don't have a proper handle on the alignments of the "biggest" veterans in the game and that concerns me deeply. | ||
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On January 22 2012 11:41 kitaman27 wrote: You see BC as a power role? The guy who spent the entire game talking about his mason claim? why have you done next to nothing for the past...I dunno...ever? | ||
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I dunno wtf you are, your play as both alignments is really good. But then, as town this game you've done next to nothing. So, that just leaves good scum play. o_O Tell me, who do you think is scum right now and why? | ||
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On January 22 2012 12:06 Toadesstern wrote: Mr. meapak. didn't you call me scum because I was trying to safe a scumbuddy when proposing to lynch Sandroba d1/d2 and said that the sandroba case is nothing but a poor defence to safe GGQs ass? After macpo flipped you even told people to look into people who tried to safe macpo by proposing to lynch Sandroba because Sandroba clearly was just a distraction and you still pushing GGQ while people were switching to macpo was fine. I don't want to make this sound OMGUS but you need to die. lol this is like the most forced and set up thing I've ever seen If Meapak was scum why the fuck would he shoot GGQ and deprive himself of his only target? It's wifomy but I seriously doubt he would tunnel the same guy for like 72 hours and then turn around and allow his team to shoot the guy. | ||
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On January 22 2012 12:10 Toadesstern wrote: didn't you say 1 page ago that if GGQ flips green we have to insta-lynch meapak? How did you change your mind so fast? HAHAHA trolled you biatch! I see what the scumteam is doing. They're trying to lock down the lynch on Meapak today. | ||
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I never talked to sandro. ##vote Bill Murray Also Toad is annoying | ||
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On January 22 2012 13:46 p4NDemik wrote: You weren't duped at all. You never believed him. This is actually a very good point. I can't think of anyone with half a brain who would've actually believed BM's claim in the way that he made it. Problem I have right now is that BM very well could just be super bad town. I'm so torn it's annoying. I just want to kill him now, since he can't say "oh well I have a bomb on Protact! herp derp" | ||
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At least we know he's town now. I see no way a scum would notice that and then call me out on it, cause it takes a lot of reading just to see it. Jackal what do you think about lynching BM? | ||
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On January 23 2012 05:00 hiro protagonist wrote: Yes, I realize my actions helped keep BM alive day3. I will not make the same mistake, Of course I will help you lynch Bill today. I thought It was obvious in my last post thats what I wanted to do. I also want to re read the thread, which is what Im doing now. better to check twice than make a rash decision at this point. also, everyone should vote for the DL today. ##Vote: Bill Murry ##Vote: Double Lynch As for the results of my day 2 check, I will release that if it becomes relivent. As for now, I Have a good reason for keeping that info quite what the fuck | ||
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On January 22 2012 23:30 supersoft wrote: wbg please tell me how you meant that red bolded statement. basically, sandro flipped scum, right? So far all the people he has called out have actually flipped scum. The exception is GGQ, and that's pretty much because everyone was calling out GGQ (he also expressed doubt about GGQ but didn't about anyone else). Now, it makes the 3 of us look more town, but I don't think it means much more than that. I took it with a heavy grain of salt, since sandro called out GGQ and he was town, Toad could very well still be scum and he could have just been saying stuff in thread just for the hell of it. Also I read your logs with Toad and I lol'd at the part you guys talked about me LOL. Toad ist ein Pimmelzwerg! Also, what do you think of Toad at this point? What did you get from that conversation? | ||
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On January 23 2012 09:33 rgTheSchworz wrote: Don't argue about probabilities. I don't think L's and sandro's flip have any implications on BC/foolish 's alignment. who do you want to lynch and why? You say one of VE and hiro is scum...but no vote? | ||
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On January 23 2012 11:40 Toadesstern wrote: yeah I'm translating right now, give me a moment. WBG can check it afterwards I'm not even fluent in German, I can just understand the gist of it lol at any rate the log isn't terribly important to our needs. I care more about what supersoft thinks about you right now. The problem I'm having with supersoft is that he's still minimally contributing in the thread. There are scum masons, and it's not like we've actually had the balls to kill one of the confirmed masons yet. We KNOW they're masons, sure, that's great, but we don't know their alignments. They can't all be town IMO. | ||
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However, BM dies today. There is no question about it, he dies today because his play has been wtf bad and he hasn't jailed people. Like, not jailing people when we elected you to do that, and the one time he jails it's a terrible jail. And also he blackmails all of town into not lynching him by claiming mad hatter and saying the bomb is on Protact. Seriously? At this point it is still possible he is town, but for someone to have played this anti-town all game, I don't care how retarded town you might be, you need to die. It's detrimental for us to leave him alive because he'll consume all our discussion time from here on out. People will keep coming back to him because his play has just created the atmosphere of "ok wtf do we do with this guy?" | ||
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On January 23 2012 16:36 ~OpZ~ wrote: Lynching him just because his play has been wtf bad is bad. Lynching mafia for being mafia is good. Lynch Meapak. His play has been scummy bad. It's not just bad bad. Why jail Lanaia? Do you believe the hatter claim? Why bomb Protact after everything that happened day 2 and day 3 if he's actually town? Why would he not jail several times? Why has he contradicted himself? (sure, I guess he could just be bad) Also, what the fuck happened to this? I want to kill OpZ still. Reread his filter and look at the retardedness that spills forth: On January 18 2012 10:24 ~OpZ~ wrote: For Foolishness maybe. I can't read BM like that. I like him, and used to PM him regularly. I've always said I'd cohost a game with him. He's prone to bouts of tyranny when he has power or a power role (see -TL maf 30, where he was Ninja [i don't know if its in thread, but it might be in the post game discussion, he threatened our town circle repeatedly because he wanted us to give up the other Ninja, whom was BC], and games he has hosted), so it makes his use of his sheriff power on Lanaia somewhat understandable. If Bill Murray has a power he will use it. As for his direction, and all that jazz? His posts are what he's thinking at any given time, and he distrusts atleast one of us masons. Other than that I haven't seen anything blatant from him. What's your take on Protactinum? bolded is important; contradicts the "easy read" part. On January 18 2012 10:57 ~OpZ~ wrote: And his contradictions of himself are just good town play too? Claiming to of provided foundation to a day in which he really did next to nothing? On January 21 2012 04:43 ~OpZ~ wrote: I've trusted you to be town, up until most recent posts BC. Please rethink before posting things like this, okay? I masoned Kita, cuz he asked me too, but he just told me he'd be away til 4:30.... -__-...And I gotta go pick up my motorcycle from the shop and might wind up going to work cuz they called me in again. Depends when I can get my bike so I might still be MIA. 3 days pass between those two posts, and all OpZ does when he actually does post is attack high profile players. He doesn't actually make cases on them, though, he just sheds doubt on them and undermines their credibility. Finally, remember how I said I think mafia is trying to lock down the lynch on someone based on GGQ dying and flipping town? Check it out, OpZ's only serious contribution to the thread. All game he has completely ignored Meapak, but suddenly he comes in guns blazing with this bullshit. Everytime, he apologizes for disappearing, but still doesn't do anything. I guess at this point he knows he has no choice but to actually do something, so he comes in and posts a massive analysis that no one will ever read: On January 23 2012 16:35 ~OpZ~ wrote: ...Okay....Looking at meapak. He super tunnels GGQ, directs Hiro's wanting of lynching Sandroba, saying GGQ is a better target, called analysis on Sandroba comical, soft defends macp, then defends himself against Foolishness: I do not like this post. Only votes Macpo because the "gods demand." I do not like sheep on my island. No sir. Again he defends himself against foolishness by saying "My reads line up with yours!": In This Post: Please Lead Me Masters!!!: Note: He's pushing a confirmed town GGQ, over a confirmed mafia, Macpo, while at the same time saying "I feel GGQ is scummier." Now...Being a sheep isn't necessarily a mafia trait, but there was no way to not get Macpo lynched, so he might as well follow the "town leaders" Again, supports Sandroba. Attaches the lynch of Macpo to sandroba: OMG, IT WAS YOU?!? -_-...Seriously Meapak, this was a terribad post, with WIFOM out the bunghole. I'm not even going to address anything in it, except my insulting of sheth: "Learn to build a case proper," or subtly insulting me, where Sheth was ignoring all facts, and the fact Sheth immediately OMGUS'd me day one. I had my reasons for suspecting Protact day one/day two, in that's as far as I'm concerned. (Meapaks post on me, where he GREATLY exaggerates.) + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2012 14:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: First off, sorry about the delay, second, Sheth is actually better at mafia then I would have given him credit for. Now to opz. This is a scum post. He’s neutral, everything about this post is neutral. Wishy washy and neutral are scum behaviors. Supports a flipped mafia for mayor. Starts calling out and trying to discredit protact. Up until this post he’s never mentioned Lanaia and look at how he does so, he calls her out for neutral posts… lol. He says he’ll point all the stuff out later… I’ll wait for later to see what he has to say. Well that’s his reason, he’s either not putting effort or he doesn’t believe his own case. It’s also ironic since he calls her out for the exact same thing he himself did. This just seems like an effort to split town votes more, especially since he never comes back to her. More discrediting of protact. Here’s my feeling with people who call out protact, it’s fine, to be suspicious on day one when protact’s reads haven’t been shown to be correct, however at this point protact has been right about one mafia and a lot of people in the thread believe he’s on track to a second. Hindsight shows that protact is subsequently right about two more mafia and this begs the question, why is opz so certain protact is mafia? Unless you believe he was bussing, he’s already scored one kill, the worst you should be is mildly suspicious at this point. Also his reasoning is stupid. Basically it boils down to them not signing their posts and having a “random ass following.” News flash, it’s normal for people to listen to players who correctly call out scum. More random calling out of protact simply because they don’t head their posts. This doesn’t make protact mafia lol. So I wanna take all these posts together as one. This is why I brought up sheth earlier. This is his big case, this is his was his push when he was alive. Analyzing and calling out opz. He actually doesn’t have half bad of a case, I won’t rehash it, it’s all in the spoilers. However it’s not Sheth’s case that is the big deal here, it’s opz’s reaction. All the neutrality and careful posting have flown away in the sudden face of raw fear of being lynched. It’s actually very strange how agitated and aggressive opz becomes when sheth calls him out. He pulls out the bold, all caps, and swear words, going waaaay over board. If you’re innocent, you know it and you can approach someone’s claims with rational thought because deep down you KNOW you’re town. Scum don’t have that luxury, when they get called out they have nowhere to run because they know the accusations are correct. I know this fear, I felt it in PYP:I, it makes you wanna either lurk or just go balls to the walls berserk on the person who called you out because there’s nothing you can do to stop them from being right. Opz’s change of tone in this post is hugely scummy before we even get to it’s content. But that said, let’s take a peek at the content. His first part about mattchew is incoherent at best, it seems like he’s saying he’s voting for mattchew because he flipped when he was modkilled :/. He emphasizes the weakness of masons, which is funny considering that he’s supposed to be a mason. He claims he hasn’t been the harbinger of mafia against protact which is pretty funny considering when you read his filter (as he suggests you do), there are certainly a lot of posts dedicated to protact. He ends his defense with some fairly nasty attacks of sheth for no reason, personally insulting him and then OMGUSing as well. Quite frankly I find this post to be worthy of a lynch in of itself, there is nothing townie about this defense, instead it’s about opz screaming “you’re wrong and you’re bad” in all caps and in bold. When this is added to his earlier behavior the case becomes more solid, and that isn’t even the icing on the cake. Guess who died last night? The one and only Liquid’Sheth. Why did sheth, a relatively new player and someone who hasn’t proved themselves as a stone cold scum killer warrant a hit? A look through his filter provides the answer. His life was almost completely dedicated to lynching GGQ. Sheth has done this before. In responsibility he correctly nailed the final scum and was then shot at night. So I ask to consider all of this. Opz’s posts before being called out by sheth, his terrible post defending himself, and sheth’s subsequent death. Opz is mafia. @BC since you apparently harbor suspcions of me please post them so we can deal with it. My first vote will stay on GGQ, I'll decide my second by tomorrow afternoon. Meapak, Please follow your own advice. Excuse me? I claim I wasn't a big force against protract, I called myself the Harbinger of Protract is Mafia....I think that's like me calling myself the guy screaming "HE IS MAFIA" or did you miss that?...Oh I get it, Sarcasm didn't translate well...I thought the "Oh No" gave it away. Or the extra examples of me asking other players about him. Or everyone else that understood it was sarcastic. My bad he was fucking DT, but he was UNCOOPERATIVE, bothersome, and unwilling to agree. Not to mention his immediate following *note*before ever having popped a single mafia, and his claiming to provide direction in the thread when in reality, he hadn't done anything at that point. Sorry- I don't sheep. Followed by two more posts of defending/soft defending sandroba....See the theme here guys? I think I'm done here. Meapak is Scum. On January 18 2012 07:42 ~OpZ~ wrote: He's tunnelled against Sandroba. Bases much of his argument on meta, which I don't attach much note to. He subbed in so not much to go on yet. His case against sandroba might be pretty legit rereading his post, but I've also noticed he provided no contrast to how Sandroba plays as town so he isn't showing a difference. Very one sided argument someone on the mafia team would use. But I'm going with a null read as of the moment. Undermining credibility, but then more importantly: NOTE THE WORDAGE either the case is bullshit or the case is legit. OpZ straddles the line and he's all like "oh yeah hiro is tunneling sandro and he has no case since it's all meta...and he hasn't done the proper meta comparisons...but then again his case might have merit" He calls the case one-sided, something mafia would do, but then why the fuck would he say the case might have merit? On January 18 2012 07:29 ~OpZ~ wrote: And this passive attitude is what sheep are made of. called me a sheep here despite the fact that I wasn't actually sheeping. This kind of confused me when he first did it, because it made me realize how much OpZ wasn't actually reading the thread. I brushed it off at first because I thought there were better targets at the time, but now it's reminding me that OpZ hasn't had town interests in mind (no reading lul) On January 18 2012 07:15 ~OpZ~ wrote: You care what I say, but don't say if you agree with it or not? I feel like I'm just questioning sheth about why he voted for protag again. Another four posts just to get a response on what I've said. Half the people in this thread can't seem to get Sandro's story straight, or are confused he claimed mason. I've facepalmed repeatedly about this, but maybe it's because I've actually read BC's posts. So I haven't given him much thought. Care to give me some time to look at him so I can give a better opinion? So far all my notes say are that he shouldn't post while drunk. And this one interesting note when I was reading him and BC's chatlogs, he was actually pressing Ciryandor. So I'm going with he's more likely town than protactinum. defended sandro, but says "I haven't given him much thought," probably to absolve himself of responsibility if and when sandro flips scum. Every single post that includes sandro or someone else scummy there's some bullshit excuse in there about how he hasn't paid attention to them or whatever. It's extremely suspicious because if those people flip scum (which he should know if he actually is scum) he can slither away from having to talk about them. OpZ seemed to have difficulty talking about sandro repeatedly despite being asked over and over what he thought about him. | ||
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Everyone look at OpZ and please tell me in what world he is town. yes, there's that post where he points out I am suspicious of him and didn't include him on the "die now" list, but that's so minor in retrospect and it's just got WIFOM painted all over it. It's something he could do as both alignments (it's something I would do as scum for sure) ##unvote Bill Murray ##vote ~OpZ~ | ||
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On January 23 2012 17:56 Bill Murray wrote: BC + OpZ both look bad for the d1 action with sandroba I'm completely fine lynching there, he's on my scumlist I'm going to retract my mad hatter claim. I should have already done it, but I don't want to go out as a liar, even if I have lied this game, so I want to come clean. I only did it because to me, I was protecting a pro-town power role. I have 2 jailkeeps left that I can use to lower mafia KP Mafia wanted the 3 votes, they didn't want a crummy jailkeeper ability when they have a jack, mason, framer, and roleblocker Mafia wanted the Politician. They wanted the Floridian. Do you guys want a recount? I don't. what the fuck of course you were lying -_- | ||
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On January 23 2012 18:09 ~OpZ~ wrote: ...My post in relation to sandroba that your using to incriminate me WBG is on the 18th. Meapaks extend from before that up until Sandroba gets lynched. Meapak ALSO attaches the lynching of Macpo to a combined effort of Sandroba and Protactinum. Also, you were sheeping. How much I wasn't reading the thread? Empty words are empty words. Glad to see you actually voted with someone you built a case on. Also, about that defending sandroba? Did you even read that last post I quoted? Like seriously bo, go reread that. I hadnt given him much thought by that point because he really hadn't said shit, but I did read that chat logs, and the only telling thing about him was that he was pressing Ciry (who was confirmed dead mafia by that point) onto BC. clearly you were not reading the thread, since my vote was not with the majority. That's sheeping, you called me out on sheeping when it was obvious I was not. I even pointed that out to you and you never acknowledged it. I can't even tell if you're just being sarcastic and trolling me now, since I did vote someone I made a case on, and it wasn't blindly sheeping someone else. You might not have been sheeping but you certainly haven't been particularly useful to town either. | ||
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On January 23 2012 20:55 Bill Murray wrote: I'm a doctor I haven't used a jailkeep the last 2 nights because I have been truly protecting Foolishness say goodbye to your protection folks I wouldnt normally ever claim doctor, but I feel like Im really going to be lynched adios you are honestly the worst player I have ever played with. congrats. | ||
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On January 24 2012 04:40 bumatlarge wrote: If someone starts doing crazy shit in thread with no real explanation as soon as they are about to be lynched, it probably means they are scum. why have you been so quiet all game, bum? | ||
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On January 24 2012 07:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Everyone is spamming my Hiro lynch away. Woe is me. VisceraEyes is sad-face panda. More like you're spamming the thread away with complete and utter shit. Why don't you come up with cases on the players you keep pushing instead of simply repeating yourself 20 times and contributing nothing to the thread but utter chaos? | ||
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On January 24 2012 05:08 risk.nuke wrote: wbg, are you suspicious of me? right now? Not really, I want to kill OpZ. the thing that's bothering me about the BM lynch is that, if he were scum and BC town, we would've likely seen BC dead by now (I feel). I feel like they would've just shot through the bodyguards and been like trolololol we got your mayor and your sheriff trololololol ofc, that didn't happen; the bodyguards haven't flipped and it leaves me in a state of wtf is going on | ||
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On January 24 2012 11:48 VisceraEyes wrote: That's cute, scum thinks I'm retarded when I call him scum. Awwwwwww! No, I'm right about hiro. Prove that I'm wrong about you by doing something...ANYTHING that could be considered pro-town. Generally you're so into finding scum. Where's that fire this game? I'm not seeing it, and you calling me retarded just isn't doin it for me. So yeah, please find scum or shut up and die. Apparently I have to repeat myself like you in order to "look town." On January 23 2012 16:56 wherebugsgo wrote: His play has been scummy bad. It's not just bad bad. Why jail Lanaia? Do you believe the hatter claim? Why bomb Protact after everything that happened day 2 and day 3 if he's actually town? Why would he not jail several times? Why has he contradicted himself? (sure, I guess he could just be bad) Also, what the fuck happened to this? I want to kill OpZ still. Reread his filter and look at the retardedness that spills forth: bolded is important; contradicts the "easy read" part. 3 days pass between those two posts, and all OpZ does when he actually does post is attack high profile players. He doesn't actually make cases on them, though, he just sheds doubt on them and undermines their credibility. Finally, remember how I said I think mafia is trying to lock down the lynch on someone based on GGQ dying and flipping town? Check it out, OpZ's only serious contribution to the thread. All game he has completely ignored Meapak, but suddenly he comes in guns blazing with this bullshit. Everytime, he apologizes for disappearing, but still doesn't do anything. I guess at this point he knows he has no choice but to actually do something, so he comes in and posts a massive analysis that no one will ever read: Undermining credibility, but then more importantly: NOTE THE WORDAGE either the case is bullshit or the case is legit. OpZ straddles the line and he's all like "oh yeah hiro is tunneling sandro and he has no case since it's all meta...and he hasn't done the proper meta comparisons...but then again his case might have merit" He calls the case one-sided, something mafia would do, but then why the fuck would he say the case might have merit? called me a sheep here despite the fact that I wasn't actually sheeping. This kind of confused me when he first did it, because it made me realize how much OpZ wasn't actually reading the thread. I brushed it off at first because I thought there were better targets at the time, but now it's reminding me that OpZ hasn't had town interests in mind (no reading lul) defended sandro, but says "I haven't given him much thought," probably to absolve himself of responsibility if and when sandro flips scum. Every single post that includes sandro or someone else scummy there's some bullshit excuse in there about how he hasn't paid attention to them or whatever. It's extremely suspicious because if those people flip scum (which he should know if he actually is scum) he can slither away from having to talk about them. OpZ seemed to have difficulty talking about sandro repeatedly despite being asked over and over what he thought about him. Also, part of the reason I've been relatively more inactive since last week is because I've started school, though that is technically completely irrelevant to my alignment. | ||
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Macpo Toadesstern rgTheSchworz Jackal58 GiygaS Munk-E EchelonTee Nisani201 Mr. Wiggles Ciryandor kitaman27 lul the rest of the names don't look particularly good either. Maybe at least one more red in there. | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Strongest 3 reads going into the next day. Opz, glurio. If I die, obviously both my bgs are red and their names have already been outed. However, based on how bm was playing and comments made throughout this thread I believe that chances are fairly good that at least 1 of my bgs is red. Also, awesome modkills, and fu BM BC that's two reads, not 3... lul also I agree with you. The third I'd say is a toss up between like, Brownbear, Echelontee, vaderseven, and Toad. Ofc I'm only including Toad in there now because it's been fun trolling him for the past day when I actually haven't even believed he's scum. | ||
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I actually feel Lanaia is more likely to be town because of it, and if OpZ flips scum she's almost guaranteed to be town, but I just want to be safe. We have plenty of time to lynch through people, and so we should be working through people like this, IMO: OpZ and BB tomorrow Two of Echelon/vader/Hiro/Lanaia if one of those flips town. | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:21 Toadesstern wrote: oh come on screw you. People like VE and Jitsu are actually believing what you're saying... You think it's going to be helpful when we try to get opz lynched tomorrow and CC, VE and jitsu are voting me instead? LOL | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:22 Jitsu wrote: Other than the fact that you purposefully try to take credit for Red kills? Try to shove suspicion away from Bill Murray (also voting for him in as Sheriff) and discredit BC endlessly? I just looked back three pages out of 19 in you're filter. It all seems forced. Stop looking at shit you think you should take credit for and actually do legit scum-hunting please. This is 100% true though, Toad. It's actually almost entirely the reason you look shifty. At this point ofc I seriously doubt you're scum, since by process of elimination there are like 5 or 6 people who are more worthy of a lynch than you. Anyway Jitsu, of the players remaining which 3 are most likely scum to you? I feel like opz and BB are like almost 100% scum. Kenpachi probably is too cause BM was like "wtf did I say Kitaman? I meant kenpachi!" | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:38 Slardar wrote: Mason hunting.. well technically with how it's worded Mafia could have 0 masons, that is if they hypothetically can choose not to have any Roleblockers...considering most of the scum have claimed RB. So can Mafia type out GG if they want to and throw in the towel? Well this more than exonerates BC in my eyes, I was pretty much wrong on every call! Time to do the exact opposite of what I'm thinking. I'm Arsonist, you're all fucked. what the hell is this | ||
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who is it? Reveal it right before the flip tonight. | ||
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And I kept forgetting bum. Man -_- ah well. Sorry guys for the lack of effort I had this game. I would have rather been playing in a mini game anyway and this might be the last game of this size I choose to play. I don't enjoy any games larger than 20 players anymore. GG to all! | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:47 ~OpZ~ wrote: I refuse to say you caught me. You just wouldn't go away. But I wasn't worried about you. No one in town listened to you, and I was your only "correct" read iirc Yep, no one listened because I was wrong about Palmar and I wasn't playing well. I realized that myself after Palmar flipped town that no one would care what I had to say. After that I just lost interest in the game and I kept saying I needed to read but I never read lol. But yes, I did catch you day 1. Toad I just trolled cause it was funny as hell and super never responded properly.. | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:56 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Also WBG, I'm glad I changed my view on you. Thought you were mafia at start, but by the end I thought you were pretty townie. lol my bad, I tunnel too hard a lot. Also at night it's generally not wise to listen to things I say because at night I don't say what I actually think (unless it's right before deadline). I do this to bait reactions. I made the prediction that scum would want to lock down lynch on Meapak based on the GGQ death on what happened that previous night. Toad I had a town read on right after based on the fact that he called me out on something, but when OpZ came in with the case on Meapak I was assured he was scum. That's why I switched the vote off BM onto him; my read was solidified by that. Other than that I played terribly, my day 1 was horrible and I should've just accepted the fact that Palmar was playing badly. Props to BC for not getting discouraged like I did. | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:59 ~OpZ~ wrote: Be humble. You just had fail argument, and all you did was tunnel EVERYONE. I could of posted I was mafia in thread, you could of quoted me, and still everyone would of wrote you off as "this guy is tunneling opz some more" I just said no one was listening to me because I was wrong lol. I accept I played badly, I even admitted n1 no one was going to listen to me because I was wrong about Palmar. That's the misfortune of being a vocal player; if you're wrong once, no one ever listens to you again. That's why players like Foolishness are so good and renowned; they're rarely wrong the first time. | ||
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On January 24 2012 15:06 Toadesstern wrote: I'm going to be more modest the next game but I was really raging mad because of you lol. When there was like 3 people attacking me d2 I stopped taking notes and only went by gutfeeling :p HAHA sorry I had to entertain myself somehow. Sorry Toad :p I really trusted super on you though, because I felt he was town, so I was going to believe whatever he said about your alignment. I probed you super hard because I thought you would be a good way to bait other people. That Meapak thing was fucking perfect. | ||
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On January 24 2012 16:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: So here’s a little bit of my perspective on this game. I came in with a ton of confidence after responsibility and thus had a pretty good faith in my own scum hunting abilities. Secondly, I had requested Vet from Flamewheel because a) I’m really done with dying night one and b) I wanted to see if I could get shot if I tried. From the standpoint of fulfilling my role for the town this game I actually failed, if I’m not getting shot night one or at the very latest night two I’m doing it wrong. I’ll just take you all through my thoughts of how things went. I started the game fairly certain that I would be town. When I got my Vet role I immediately set about trying to be as noticed as possible. I didn’t necessarily need to be right, I just needed to make sense and look like I would be right somewhere down the road. Unfortunately for me personally, with BC/L/Bum/Foolishness/Incognito/Bill in the game I was at a recognition disadvantage. These players WILL take up discussion in the thread regardless of what I say (short of claiming scum ). However several things worked initially in my favor. L was gone for a lot of the day, Foolishness was making people suspicious, Incog had attracted his share of detractors, Bill was being Bill, and BC was the only person making sense. In this opening I decided to run for mayor. Now from the start I knew I wouldn’t win. Big names have the advantage of being memorable and I just wouldn’t garner the support with those guys in there. But I needed my name getting mentioned as someone who was making sense. The way I saw it, if my name wasn’t mentioned in a positive light at least once every two pages I was failing. As a Vet, it’s my job to appear as protown as possible and to make mafia scared. They don’t even have to be scared of what I’m doing right now; they need to be scared of what I can do. So I got my mayor campaign underway with GGQ as my lynch target. I was mentioned several times day one as someone who was making sense, however as I had expected, discussion of the big names drowned out any noise I was making. When BC made his mason claim I saw an opportunity. I had expected people would get all over him for it like they did, however at this point I was getting significant town vibes from him and so I took his side and supported him early after his claim when a lot of people were screaming at him. I still have no idea why he claimed, however I was confident he wasn’t mafia and wanted to be seen as unafraid to stand up and give an opinion. Similarly with the whole Palmar deal, when people started calling for his head I stood up and defended him because I assumed he had a plan, and I felt reasonably certain that scum wouldn’t just roll over like he was. When day one was over, I felt pretty good. My read on Palmar had been correct, GGQ had only acted worse, BC had been elected and despite the Palmar lynch I still felt good about him. However when day rolled around and I hadn’t died I was super pissed. I read my filter and decided that I hadn’t been active enough or aggressive enough to warrant a shot. Never did it cross my mind that I was simply wrong. With the newfound resolve to take the thread and force it where I wanted, I came out day two guns blazing. This was my biggest mistake of the game. I still feel that my case on GGQ was good, hell Incog agreed for a while. But in trying to be aggressive I allowed myself to tunnel. Now I don’t think I’ve ever hardcore tunneled someone before. Ever. I’ve played almost 20 games and I’ve always tried to remain open towards new developments. However in my quest to gain attention and seize control of the thread (since at the time it seemed like neither foolishness nor incog felt like leading) I put blinders on and ignored everything else. I defended Incog and Sandroba whenever I wasn’t going after GGQ. Incog I thought was obvious, he had called ciry and he agreed with me on GGQ. However I flat out screwed up on sandroba. I’ll confess, I never read his filter the entire day 2 and just assumed he was town since he had pushed GGQ, my assumption was that since I was the only one pushing GGQ, a mafia wouldn’t want to draw attention to the case and since GGQ was mafia… Not one of my better moments all around. My sharp increase in aggressiveness and activity also backfired. While it was intended to look protown, it actually got people nervous. No one in the game had ever seen me play like that and a lot of people were understandably skittish of associating with me. I could see this happening at the time, however when GGQ flipped scum I figured people would come back to me. I got in a stupid spat with toad as well; however it probably helped me a lot in hindsight. Caught up in the moment I decided that toad must be wrong since his reads were so bad (he was pushing sandroba -_-). However upon reading back through his filter, I couldn’t find anything overtly scummy and at the same time I was exposed to a lot of `roba’s posts which started me thinking a bit. Obviously I couldn’t pull a 360 and stop pushing GGQ (especially when I still thought he was scum), however I was opening up to voting for someone else. When Incog swept in with his macpo case I saw my opportunity, jumped off the GGQ ship and voted macpo. Macpo died, I was even more certain that BC/Foolishness/Incog were town, but I still had GGQ to lynch and I hadn’t actually made myself look more protown. When the day came and I still hadn’t taken a shot I was starting to get frustrated. I’ve been killed night one three or four times and now that I was trying to get hit it wasn’t working. So I changed styles for the third time in as many days. This style is probably the closest to how I’d play VT except with more analysis. Because of my tunneling GGQ, I felt like I had locked myself up to a certain extent; however I realized I needed to do some reading and find some more scum. It was through this reading that I came upon opz and bum. The problem was, both were gut reads with very little substance. Also, I was bleeding credibility in the thread as both townies and mafia were taking potshots at me. I was in no danger of being lynched, however my opinions were in danger of being relegated to the place WBG’s were. I did have a few things going for me; I read through my own filter a lot and was pretty familiar with anything that could be possibly construed against me. This allowed me to respond accurately and without contradicting myself in a timely manner. I was also pretty sure that the “Big three” couldn’t lynch me. Call it ego or whatever, but I think I could have fought off a lynch. Plus town was skittish of them working together so I think a combined effort by them would have set too many people off. Plus I had the added benefit that Incog thought I was town, in his own words he thought I was trying to be “the town hero” which was surprisingly accurate for my day two goals. Given this sense of security I felt free to go after opz even though I knew my case wasn’t very good. A lot of it did rely on kill WIFOM and sheth’s old analysis. However I personally had faith in Sheth. His analysis and subsequent death had an eerie feel of déjà vu about them from responsibility mafia. With the case against opz I was able to relieve a bit of the tension that came from being locked into one person At this point I was fairly certain I wouldn’t be hit. I had so far failed to put any major pressure on the mafia and while I was right about bum and opz, I didn’t have the credibility to effectively go after them. I started scheming up ways of grabbing the spotlight during the night. I eventually settled upon a plan to fake claim DT at the start of night four. I’d claim to have gotten scum checks on GGQ night one and opz night three and that I had got role blocked night 2. I was still sure about my reads and wanted to give the mafia a reason to shoot at me. However the dawn of the day squashed any hope in that plan. With GGQ’s death I was 100% certain that the mafia was setting me up with frankly pissed me off, they obviously thought I would be the easiest mislynch and that just made me mad. Thankfully, the whole BM drama from the previous day was still going on and I was able to lie lower and collect myself. I’ll speak briefly about the BM situation for a sec. At all costs I wanted to avoid losing Incog. For me, no matter how anti-town Bill had acted there was still the chance he was telling the truth. I have to give you props here Bill, you said post game you were trying to play dopey `ole Bill who would do things off the cuff, I have to say well played sir. I didn’t buy it 100%, I didn’t even buy it 50%, but losing Incog would have been too big a blow. However with Incog’s death and the whole Bill or BC thing going on, I decided to take this day to get my reads straight and be ready when Bum/opz came for me the following day. At this point I felt like the thread had an equal chance of going after me as it did leaving me be. I was certain after Incog’s death and BM’s subsequent bumbling that he would flip scum which would leave BC as all but confirmed. With both Foolishness and BC calling for my death I wasn’t so certain I could fight off a lynch if both mafia and town was against me. With this in mind I asked BC to mason me in hopes that I could change his mind. As luck would have it, GGQ’s death had already started to change it, but me masoning him ended up being the smartest thing I did. Between the two of us we solidified opz and bum as the next day’s targets and we (or at least for me) cleared toad, BrownBear, slardar, bugs, ja22, and p4ndemik. We (or again maybe this was just me) did have a misstep when we started getting suspicious of hiro. This was mostly my fault however we were prepared to go after hiro once bum and opz were dead. The day ended with BM’s death and the modkills. It was kinda disappointing to be honest, with the stuff that was starting to happen that night, BC and I would have realized that hiro was legit and started looking elsewhere. With Bug’s help (who had just started showing interest again) we could have lynched opz easy and bum as well without too much difficulty. However the game ended before I could get redemption for my earlier tunneling of GGQ. Now I’m going to talk a little bit about play style. In my opinion (preface, all the following is my opinion), there are two types of players, those who put in effort and those who don’t. Of those who try, they’re broken down into two groups as well; the analysts whose page long write-ups catch scum with chilling accuracy, and the diplomats who control the thread via frequent posting. The analysts are by and large older players. Ver is probably their king. They don’t need to post a lot, they save their words for their magnum opuses which absolutely destroy the scum team. They’re rarely pressured except by newer players who don’t understand their power. They’re not always effective early game but if given time they will find you. They’re the type who get shot night one (at least by a competent mafia team ) every game because of the threat they pose, even if it means double or triple stacking. Incog played a fairly typical analyst style this game. The other type is the diplomat. I use diplomat very roughly, because the players who fall into this category are anything but diplomatic. Palmar is probably the best example of a diplomat. He doesn’t need huge posts to find scum, he instead relies on constant thread presence and extremely aggressive sometimes bullying behavior. The diplomat applies constant, doglike, pressure which breaks down the veneer scum hide behind. They don’t always get killed night one because their actions sometimes get misconstrued as scum intentions. However, the diplomat actually had a better chance of finding scum day one. Unlike the analyst, diplomats don’t need a day or two to start seeing patterns, instead they bully people around until they find someone who doesn’t react appropriately. Now these are both gross generalizations. After all, Incog found a scum day one and analysts like him have done it before. However I’m using it as an example. My preferred role is that of the analyst. I don’t have enough time to dominate a thread 24 hours a day, and neither do I have the personality to go after people like there’s no tomorrow (and when I do I lose track of the bigger picture). In short, I don’t have the features of a diplomat. However, analysts rely a lot on their names. Take for example Sheth versus Incog. Sheth wrote an analysis of opz, was it great? No. Was he right? Yes! Incog wrote an analysis of BC, was it good? Yes. Was he right? No. However who got more attention? We spent a significant portion of day 1 debating Incog’s incorrect analysis. Sheth’s analysis got shot down in an extremely scummy manner and no one batted an eye. This is nothing against Incog, it’s just illustrating a fact that in order to maximize the analyst role you have to have an established name to get people to listen to you over the chaff in the thread. Contrast that to the diplomat. A lot of newer players play the diplomat effectively and without a name like Incog. They don’t find the whole scum team alone, but three or four diplomats in a game of 30 can easily win it for the town. Especially since diplomats aren’t as high level targets as analysts, they have greater survivability. Now I’ll cut to the chase and explain why I brought this up. Most games I play a second tier analyst. Sure I don’t destroy the scum team but I may nail one and I’ll at least establish my innocence. However as a Vet I felt like I needed to be more active to gain the mafia’s attention. Thus on day two I tried to play as the diplomat. I thankfully had some time which allowed me to be fairly active; however I was still constrained since I just don’t like playing the diplomat style. This is why I changed so drastically on day 2. I needed to raise my profile, and since my name isn’t big enough to get hit as an analyst (especially in a game stacked with big names); I tried to go it as a diplomat. The results of course are in the thread. Day three I was in damage control mode and tried to return to my normal style without drawing suspicion and day four I was in PM land with BC. Anyway, I really enjoyed the game a lot. Despite not getting hit, I still had a few good reads and I learned a valuable lesson about tunneling. I may try playing the diplomat all game long someday if I have the time but I think I’ll probably just work to improve the analyst. GG all, thanks for hosting FW and Jcarl! The problem for you and I was that Palmar and GGQ did not react in the ways we expected them to react. They were both so apathetic that we ended up tunneling them harder. Normally, with players who are of GGQ's and Palmar's caliber, this would actually work. In this game, it ended up screwing us over because they were both just bored and lazy. This is why when GGQ ended up dying to the shot I KNEW they were trying to lock down the lynch on you. It was grossly obvious and made you look incredibly town, because if you tunneled someone that hard as scum there was no way you were going to just turn around and let your team shoot them. Plus, since GGQ legitimately had done nothing all game there was no reason for scum to shoot him to begin with. There was a reason why I never pushed your lynch in the thread. At times I said "hmmm Meapak looks funny" to see if I'd get reactions, and often times it was just the same townies over and over, going "Meapak is tunneling too hard wtf" The GGQ shot was a poor choice by scum. Why scum didn't shoot Incog or Foolishness earlier is beyond me. Day 1 I found Protact scummy based on how the candidacies unfolded, but quickly after Ciryandor flipped scum I began having doubts. I also had huge doubts about BM when he received a bunch of votes late in the day in response to the votes myself and super put on BC. That was incredibly strange to me and I found it strange that people actually thought BM was town. For me n1 was when I just kinda gave up on the game and started half trolling half flailing around like a retard. I realized that I had no chance of being taken seriously because Palmar flipped town and a lot of people hated me for it. Luckily, BC got off fairly easily (somehow) and he didn't give up. I was angry at myself for being so aggressive when it had netted me nothing. What was frustrating as well was that I was being criticized by townies (like Scamp) who were themselves not doing anything. At that point I just kinda omgused him because I felt like it. (bad idea on my part) Good thing was, though, no one listened to me. When scamp died I wondered if they were trying to focus the lynch on me, but realized that a case on me would be incredibly difficult to make (this is similar to how Meapak said he knew everything that was going on in his own filter.) I was never scared of, for example, VE calling me scum, because I knew the accusation would never stick. There was nothing in my play to actually call me scum for. I was just playing badly. At any rate I think I've learned a valuable lesson. I need to be more patient on day 1, particularly with vets who are playing like they are just bored (or are trolling). Brownbear was an example of a vet who could potentially have met the same fate as Palmar day 1. I also need to value credibility more, since for the most part on day 1 I do whatever to poke at people to get reactions out of them. A lot of the time it isn't helpful, because some people who are (for whatever reason) genuinely disinterested in the game at that point will not react the way you expect them to react, no matter their alignment. | ||
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On January 24 2012 17:45 Scamp wrote: You still think I wasn't doing anything? Did you notice that I correctly identified you as just playing badly instead of scum? Okay perhaps I didn't go crazy like you, toad, jayjay, etc. but the way I saw it you guys were just adding to the chaos for no reason. I didn't really feel the need to contribute heavily when so much was going well. There was no threat of me dying, and as it turned out the mafia thought I was a heavy blue. well, I feel like it was pretty obvious I was playing badly. Is saying that contributing anything new? IMO, not really. In terms of actual contribution to the game, as townies we have two responsibilities: 1. Find scum and kill them 2. Establish ourselves as town. I failed on #1 but I think for the most part I was okay on #2. No one really thought I was scum beyond VE, and at no point did I ever feel threatened by lynch. If you're not trying to find scum, then what are you doing? I dunno. At no point did I feel like you were actively looking for scum. That's why I was so harsh on you. It wasn't personal or anything (so sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way) but when people don't actually scumhunt, and then berate others for being wrong, it's incredibly frustrating because they can't possibly be wrong when they don't try to begin with. There's this famous hockey quote (or something like that) that says you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Anyway, big thanks to Flamewheel and jcarl for hosting! | ||
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On January 24 2012 19:00 Incognito wrote: GGQ was shot by a town vigilante, not the mafia. and this proves how much I suck at this game | ||
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